I think she imprisoned him somewhere because she didn't accept him leaving despite what she said
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So she spread false information while in fact he is first person to live through quitting ?
All we know is his knees started shaking and then he backed down. I'm saying that it might have happened because he lost something in roulette and it affected his personality.
Other than that, the translation might not be 100% accurate. Didn't see if Bellisario posted his summary.
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All right, VIZ is out!
- One small but kind of interesting thing I noticed: in MS, they comment that Jimbei "turned his back on Big Mom" but in VIZ, they say that he "betrayed us." So the citizens of Totland see themselves as Big Mom's people enough that leaving her equates to betraying all of them, it seems.
- Also, since I saw people asking about it here: not too much difference between the townspeople's descriptions of the news article in the MS and VIZ versions. VIZ says "Then he goes in and boldly claims, 'I want out!' And when he hears the price, he wilts and withdraws his request!"
- Probably means the same thing, but instead of "Prior engagement that I must tend to immediately", Pudding says "I just have a little errand to run!"
- When asked if he knows Pedro, Tamago's answer is a bit more straightforward: "We have a past." Also, instead of saying he knows "where we might find" him, he instead knows "what he might do."
- Bege's baby's name is spelled "Pez" in VIZ, which actually fits with the naming theme of his mother's family. (Pez candies.)
- Instead of the "that was pretty deep . . . waxing poetic" line, Bege says "It's like a painting."
- The dialogue between them about Bege shooting Pekoms, "This is the fate you chose. I gave you your chance, Pekoms." And when he gives his last words, Pekoms says "You don't realize what you're gettin' into with Mama!!!"
- When Caesar is thinking to himself after Big Mom gives him the lab, instead of saying that he needs to "come up with something that even the brightest minds over the past few centuries have failed to accomplish", he notes that "All of humanity could research for centuries and never succeed at this!"
- VIZ doesn't translate Perospero's speech habits to "Lickity-lick" and such; it's kept as "Perorin".
- Luffy wonders "how many dozens of times [he] has to see [the juice guy's] face," states that he "found some more" and is glad he found more, and Juice Guy just says "There's more of them now." Not sure what to make of it, but maybe he knows more about what's going on here than the MS version let on?
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Come on, we all know he isn’t dead. The manga didn’t really get darker in any way. The number of fake deaths may have increased but they are still fake ones.
Monet and Virgo say hi. They aren't coming back. And prior to them, the only real time deaths were Ace and Whitebeard. The number increase in Pink Hazard, so it could again. This whole Mafia theme is perfect for it, even I admit that.
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Monet and Virgo say hi. They aren't coming back
Monet and Vergo indeed will say hi in the Donquixote family reunion in one of the next cover series,as dead people don't greet so much.
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Not directly related to this chapter but I spent some time catching up on filler material I've missed, including 3(!) tie-in animated things to the One Piece Film Gold movie (the long movie, the short movie, and the 4 episodes– none of which include the actual Film Gold movie of course, since that's only in Japanese theaters), and an older One Piece movie that I'd let slip through the cracks as well. If you're missing action but haven't been catching One Piece animated filler material, now's probably the best time to appreciate it (since it's all good with action although nowhere close to Oda level of writing, lol).
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The thing that strikes me is how willing the daughters we've met are to go against Mama. Pudding is aiding the Straw Hats. Praline is on Aladdin's side. Chiffon is right there as Capone's doing what he's doing. Even Lola just flat out ran away.
I like seeing this, it demonstrates best why Big Mom's dream won't come true. Big Mom seems to be under the impression that the relationship she has with her own family is rock solid, if this disloyalty we're seeing doesn't play a key role in her downfall i'll be surprised.
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Monet and Virgo say hi.
Assuming someone is dead in One Piece without extremely straight-forward and clear evidence: An extremely terrible idea.
They aren't coming back.
Famous last words.
And prior to them, the only real time deaths were Ace and Whitebeard.
Completely wrong. Counting vague possible deaths you'd be swimming in candidates from before, but of course lots of those candidates later turned up alive when Oda finally decided they should. Given enough time we'll see Monet and Vergo probably pop their head up. But even using the standard of "maybe dead" that you're using to mean "definitely dead", there are loads of previous people.
Even just in terms of people outright stated to be dead or shown it, we have Roshio the Executioner and Mr. 11 just off the top of my head. And that's the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
You have incredibly selective memory or very poor memory to be thinking this is a remotely true statement.The number increase in Pink Hazard, so it could again.
Nothing whatsoever changed in Punk Hazard.
This whole Mafia theme is perfect for it, even I admit that.
As opposed to the deathless themes of ….pirates....armies....secret assassins...necromancers...wrathful demigods...
No, nothing you're saying makes any sense.
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Law is a member too right. How many times did Doflamingo shoot him again?
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Law and Pekoms will turn out to be the same person and then get shot twice
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His poor substitute got most of the bullets.
So did the substitute die?
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So did the substitute die?
But bullets are only deadly in flashbacksThe reveal that it was a substitute that got shot was done through a flashback, so obviously he died :ninja:
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I'm guessing that after he fell, Pekoms transformed and went into his shell as a shark went to eat him, instead swallowing him whole. Eventually the Shark will spit him out and he'll be fine.
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I'm guessing that after he fell, Pekoms transformed and went into his shell as a shark went to eat him, instead swallowing him whole. Eventually the Shark will spit him out and he'll be fine.
I think capone would use seastone cuffs though
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The reveal that it was a substitute that got shot was done through a flashback, so obviously he died :ninja:
Could have been a dead substitute
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@Long:
Could have been a dead substitute
Law wouldn't apologize for taking bullets for him if it was.
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Law wouldn't apologize for taking bullets for him if it was.
Oh yeah. I guess law doesnt deserve the heart seat after all. Lol
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Jinbei is missing his scar on the fifth page. The panel where Brook is recalling Jinbei's promise on Fishman Island.
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@Long:
I think capone would use seastone cuffs though
Wouldn't that just weaken him. I'm assuming that's the extent for Zoans since most of the abilities are passive and physical. He should still be able to retreat to his shell I'm guessing.
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Wouldn't that just weaken him. I'm assuming that's the extent for Zoans since most of the abilities are passive and physical. He should still be able to retreat to his shell I'm guessing.
Zoans dont operate instinctually, he has to " become a turtle of his own ambition" , its not like luffy who is always rubber.
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@Long:
I think capone would use seastone cuffs though
Seastone still seems to be rare, with the exception of marines and doflamingo that was king of Underworld. If capone was confident that the df weakness to swim and sharks will get him, I don't think he would use his seastone. Sure he had a spear, but that's not much.
Anyway, even if he used seastone cuffs, then I guess Sun pirates will save him….
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I think getting a chapter number for a crew coincides with fully committing and fully realizing your dream.
So Robin and Chopper are fully committed but haven't truly discovered their purpose. Maybe their ambition is to general and needs more specificity. I don't suspect oda forgot it. I distort he is keeping it for the future
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@Monkey:
Assuming someone is dead in One Piece without extremely straight-forward and clear evidence: An extremely terrible idea.
Famous last words.
The only improbable survival I've seen that pushed it beyond the standard fake out was Pell in alabasta. Aside from that, how exactly is Monet supposed to survive her heart being directly stabbed by ceaser clown followed by the building exploding with her stabbed self in it? Vergo had himself chopped into pieces. Completely immobile. And then, the building explodes with his immobile and chopped up body in it. That would be arguably as bad or worse than the Pell example I mentioned…but if they survived it, it'd be just as ludicrous. Tell me, even with One Piece logic...how Virgo and Monet could ever survive that? Don't use Pell as your argument, use one pieces usual logic. Because this is way beyond that.
Completely wrong. Counting vague possible deaths you'd be swimming in candidates from before, but of course lots of those candidates later turned up alive when Oda finally decided they should. Given enough time we'll see Monet and Vergo probably pop their head up. But even using the standard of "maybe dead" that you're using to mean "definitely dead", there are loads of previous people.
Even just in terms of people outright stated to be dead or shown it, we have Roshio the Executioner and Mr. 11 just off the top of my head. And that's the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
You have incredibly selective memory or very poor memory to be thinking this is a remotely true statement.these aren't vague possible deaths. These are very clear cut, there's no possible way for them to survive it- deaths. You've provided no evidence to the contrary in fact.
Nothing whatsoever changed in Punk Hazard.
Aside from the first deaths that weren't a flashback other than Ace and Whitebeard.
As opposed to the deathless themes of ….pirates....armies....secret assassins...necromancers...wrathful demigods...
No, nothing you're saying makes any sense.
Pirates, the series consistently has had death a non factor with pirates, so that one can't be used in your argument as One Piece doesn't portray it's pirates the same Clear cut way the real world does. Armies are just fodder…rarely named people and it's such a common factor they get listed alongside pirates, more or less.
Secret assassins, fair enough though. No real deaths around them is a strange one and does support your argument fairly well. Of course, this mafia theme is alongside Yonko..so I'd argue it's to "raise the stakes" artificially by having a death. They already did it this arc with one of Big Mom's sons that she herself clearly killed.
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The only improbable survival I've seen that pushed it beyond the standard fake out was Pell in alabasta.
Then you haven't seen much of One Piece.
Aside from that, how exactly is Monet supposed to survive her heart being directly stabbed by ceaser clown
By applying the same ridiculous cartoon human physics and damage standards the series has had since virtually the start.
followed by the building exploding with her stabbed self in it?
The heart thing is semi-unique and I can forgive a person for thinking Oda might have established a death based just on the method (minus all context of course).
But an explosion? Really? That means nothing whatsoever in One Piece.Vergo had himself chopped into pieces. Completely immobile.
You're making great arguments for a different manga. None of this matters.
That would be arguably as bad or worse than the Pell example I mentioned…but if they survived it, it'd be just as ludicrous.
The reason the Pell example is so bad and infamous isn't what was survived. It was that the event itself was a really emotional and powerful sacrifice. That turned out to not be a sacrifice at all. It made the readers feel cheated emotionally.
Tell me, even with One Piece logic…how Virgo and Monet could ever survive that?
Ok.
One Piece Logic: Because that's how Oda works and always has.these aren't vague possible deaths. These are very clear cut, there's no possible way for them to survive it- deaths. You've provided no evidence to the contrary in fact.
The way the author has behaved throughout the ENTIRE 80+ volumes is my evidence.
Exceptions made for: flashbacks, the marineford battle deaths, incredibly rare and even still suspect stuff like Roshio and Mr.11.
Asking for some sort of direct evidence means you fundamentally do not understand what you're doing. And have no idea what context even is.
But of course you assume a context that doesn't exist so maybe this explains things. The context that One Piece has "been darker recently". Which of course it hasn't.Aside from the first deaths that weren't a flashback other than Ace and Whitebeard.
No one died. In this same arc where a horrifying toxic gas was covering people in creepy poison shells… then after the fighting was over all those people were rescued because the gas just so happened to have a long time frame for actually killing people lol. Wow so dark.
Pirates, the series consistently has had death a non factor with pirates,
Which of course has nothing to do with pirates, and everything to with Oda. Which of course further means that it's completely meaningless when it's some other "theme" because the author is still the same author.
so that one can't be used in your argument
Sure, if we follow your logic of randomly assuming Oda doesn't have pirates killing people because….??
as One Piece doesn't portray it's pirates the same Clear cut way the real world does
When has Oda ever portrayed ANYTHING in the same clear cut way the real world does. And why would he suddenly completely randomly have a realistic hardcore depiction of the mafia….that already doesn't exist because there is nothing realistic and not cartoony about Capone and his gang. For christs sake, we just saw Capone's baby boy, and the baby boy looks like a literal cartoon mafia baby complete with stubble lol.
Armies are just fodder.
Psst, hey, the army in question is the Marines.
..rarely named people and it's such a common factor they get listed alongside pirates, more or less.
Amazing how at no point do you established why Oda would do something different with mafia characters, who are also pirates. This is an incredibly inane thing to think he's doing.
Of course, this mafia theme is alongside Yonko..so I'd argue it's to "raise the stakes" artificially by having a death.
You are completely illiterate to drama and narrative if you read that Pekoms scene and thought that was a raise the stakes death scene.
The mafia theme does not exist. There is no mafia theme. There is a single pirate crew that has a mafia theme. It is not leaking out and entering the story in any way at all. In fact beyond the visuals that pirate crew barely even has a mafia theme. It's just their style, like Apoo has music, Kuro had cats, and Buggy has clowns.They already did it this arc with one of Big Mom's sons that she herself clearly killed.
Given her ability is not fully understood I would be extremely careful to say this. But you don't seem to be careful in general with assumptions.
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My interpretation is that Jinbe will get a chapter titled "The 9th Person" while being labeled with the number 10. Like Zoro is the 1st Person but is labeled with the number 2.
I figure who ever else ends up joining, be it on Whole Cake or later would be the 10th person but the 11th Straw Hat over all.
Color spreads Oda counts Luffy as 1. In story he counts starting with Zoro.
The only improbable survival I've seen that pushed it beyond the standard fake out was Pell in alabasta. Aside from that, how exactly is Monet supposed to survive her heart being directly stabbed by ceaser clown followed by the building exploding with her stabbed self in it? Vergo had himself chopped into pieces. Completely immobile. And then, the building explodes with his immobile and chopped up body in it. That would be arguably as bad or worse than the Pell example I mentioned…but if they survived it, it'd be just as ludicrous. Tell me, even with One Piece logic...how Virgo and Monet could ever survive that? Don't use Pell as your argument, use one pieces usual logic. Because this is way beyond that.
these aren't vague possible deaths. These are very clear cut, there's no possible way for them to survive it- deaths. You've provided no evidence to the contrary in fact.
Monet wasn't stabbed in the heart. We clearly see the spike embedded in the ground next to it in the very next chapter. Oda played the camera angles and drama to make it look like a direct stab, but Ceaser only glanced the edge of it. The shock of that impact (as seen with Smoker, Law, and Ceaser) combined with Monet's prior injuries from Tashigi (she was already coughing blood after that) caused her to faint then.
Aside from that, she is a logia and so would be fine against any of the outside forces.
Vergo is an established defensive haki user that can protext himself, and explosions have never once hurt anyone in One Piece.Add in the fact that Sugar is Monet's sister and made zero mention at all of regret or wanting revenge over her "death" (A piece of drama Oda normally would have milked like crazy, rather than just offhand mentioning in an SBS) means that they'll be alive and well once we get to the Doflamingo crew cover story, which will probably be the next one… it was mostly delayed for the sake of Dresserossa, which was a very long arc, otherwise we would have seen them alive a year ago instead of a Jinbe coverstory or yet another catch up on family members.
Oda never kills a character when them fainting will do the same job storywise. Very early in the series he allowed minor deaths, but once he came to understand his influence and his target audience, he backed off. He hasn't casually killed anyone since Alabasta.
(The anime extrapolated and made the heart stab a clear and direct shot... but the anime doesn't adapt cover stories anyway so it doesn't matter, Monet is unlikely to appear in the main story again for a decade anyhow. The anime ALSO added her having her finger on the button and not pressing it for like 3 solid minutes for no reason.)
As for other characters that were obviously dead, Sabo and Bon Kurei are excellent example of people assumed dead that obviously weren't and we knew they were alive without evidence long before they actually appeared on camera again, and Bellamy was dead for 12 years before he came back.
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This is a debate about Monet's status in order to draw conclusions about Pekoms' status?
Here's the only valid argument for Monet being dead:
! No one gives a shit about Monet.
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The fact Vergo was in pieces and Smiley's devil fruit was axolotl should pretty much confirm he's alive; also, explosions don't kill people in One Piece. Monet, she has a nice rack, though….
! Who gives a shit about Monet.
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Color spreads Oda counts Luffy as 1. In story he counts starting with Zoro.
The actual chapter titles start with Zoro as the First Person, Sanji as the Fourth after Baratie, Nami as Second after Arlong, Usopp and Franky Third and Seventh after Enies Lobby, and Brook as Eighth after Thriller Bark.
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The fact Vergo was in pieces and Smiley's devil fruit was axolotl should pretty much confirm he's alive; also, explosions don't kill people in One Piece. Monet, she has a nice rack, though….
! Who gives a shit about Monet.
Why do you mention smilys fruit? I don't get it.
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The actual chapter titles start with Zoro as the First Person, Sanji as the Fourth after Baratie, Nami as Second after Arlong, Usopp and Franky Third and Seventh after Enies Lobby, and Brook as Eighth after Thriller Bark.
Robby is aware that Zoro is first. He's just pointing out that in the color spreads (the cover picture on the first page of a chapter), Luffy is counted as #1
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@The:
Robby is aware that Zoro is first. He's just pointing out that in the color spreads (the cover picture on the first page of a chapter), Luffy is counted as #1
Ah okay. Nevermind me, then.
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The actual chapter titles start with Zoro as the First Person, Sanji as the Fourth after Baratie, Nami as Second after Arlong, Usopp and Franky Third and Seventh after Enies Lobby, and Brook as Eighth after Thriller Bark.
That's exactly what I said?
When Oda does spreads of the crew and throws numbers on them, he'll include Luffy. So that throws some people off on the numbering or official strawhat crew count.
Ah okay. Nevermind me, then.
Nevermind.
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Why do you mention smilys fruit? I don't get it.
Axolotl''s have the ability of self regeneration. Now do you see what I'm saying?
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Axolotl''s have the ability of self regeneration. Now do you see what I'm saying?
There is no way Vergo got his hands on the Sara Sara Fruit.
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There is no way Vergo got his hands on the Sara Sara Fruit.
Why would Oda have Vergo be minced up and have axolotl fruit appear during the same arc? Its a convenient way to begin the Doflamingo family cover story, and will probably be how Oda justifies Monet and Vergo's return….
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Funny to think that it's the first chapter called "My Dream"…..or is it ?
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What're the chances of Sanji losing a hand thanks to those bracelets? That would be the most tragic thing. He'd get a logia fruit or bionic hand to make up for it.
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There is no way Vergo got his hands on the Sara Sara Fruit.
If theres no way vergo is dead than practically all ridiculous reasons by op logic as to why he is alive have to be considered. Or maybe he hakified all of the pieces of his cut up face, or monet saved him odk but as long as vergo is alive, basically anything in the realm of possibility has to be on the table, maybe the explosion shot the fruit at him idk
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What're the chances of Sanji losing a hand thanks to those bracelets? That would be the most tragic thing. He'd get a logia fruit or bionic hand to make up for it.
1 hand? Well IMO he has no chance to lose 2, I still think sanji is too pragmatic to risk doing anything to cause them to blow, he'll play it cool until he gets the keys or luffy breaks them rayleigh-style
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Why would Oda have Vergo be minced up and have axolotl fruit appear during the same arc? Its a convenient way to begin the Doflamingo family cover story, and will probably be how Oda justifies Monet and Vergo's return….
Explain me how he got the fruit outside that was full of poisonous gas.
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Explain me how he got the fruit outside that was full of poisonous gas.
Explosions knocked his head towards the fruit. Its not like plot contrivance hasn't occurred in One Piece before after all.
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Explosions knocked his head towards the fruit. Its not like plot contrivance hasn't occurred in One Piece before after all.
Brownbeard ate it if anybody. He went on a search for his men that were next to place where Smiley exploded/ died.
Vergo couldnt have ate it(he already has df lol).
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Explosions knocked his head towards the fruit. Its not like plot contrivance hasn't occurred in One Piece before after all.
Really? With all the gas that was still around and all?
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Really? With all the gas that was still around and all?
Yep. Its not like that gas even killed anyone…..
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Yep. Its not like that gas even killed anyone…..
Read again what Shinokuni can do. I am not gonna waste my time explaining the impossible.
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Read again what Shinokuni can do. I am not gonna waste my time explaining the impossible.
It leaves its victims immobilized and then kills them in like a day, right? No one even died during Punk Hazard, so I fail to see why that failure of a murder weapon can take care of Monet and Vergo.
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It leaves its victims immobilized and then kills them in like a day, right? No one even died during Punk Hazard, so I fail to see why that failure of a murder weapon can take care of Monet and Vergo.
Was there anyone else to save them there? Of course not.
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Vergo couldnt have ate it(he already has df lol).
What fruit would that be?
All his on-screen abilities were haki based.
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What fruit would that be?
All his on-screen abilities were haki based.
I want to say I also remember him stating explicitly that he didn't have a devil fruit. But I'm not sure if I'm not confusing him with Sentomaru.
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I want to say I also remember him stating explicitly that he didn't have a devil fruit. But I'm not sure if I'm not confusing him with Sentomaru.
I think Sentoumaru is indeed the one who said it, but Vergo doesn't have one AFAIK.
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I know I generally assumed him to lack a Devil Fruit as well, since to me he was being used to display the danger a pure haki user could pose.