Ugh, these chapter threads are awful. I remember why I stopped coming into them. The fandom has gotten so putrid, it's hard to find any proper discussion about a chapter without the "filler/boring" crowd spamming the threads because they only live for plot twists. You can at least give proper criticism while you're at it. One of One Piece's greatest strengths is its world-building & the series is supposed to be about having adventures & exploring new islands. If you don't like that then you don't really like One Piece very much at all. The Thriller bark comparisons are completely ridiculous as well. All you're doing is picking apart superficial similarities. I suppose Drum Island & Punk Hazard are the same because they both had snow.
Chapter 831: Adventure in a Mysterious Forest
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Rayleigh probably on cover story
Nope. He appeared on the last chapter, that was Margareth.
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Probably a mirror mirror fruit. Something like that.
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What a boring chapter and a break next week on top of it… it's like Oda is trying to tell us to enjoy our summer vacations and not bother about One Piece for a while.
It almost like you don't know what Oda has been passing through the past 4 years.
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Everything about this arc sets up it's theme, it's cute on the outside but twisted on the inside.
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In my view people who call this chapter boring or filler don't understand storytelling. It's a setup chapter with the intention of familiarising us with the environment and its inhabitants. One Piece sets up like that ALL THE TIME. People are fickle.
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It almost like you don't know what Oda has been passing through the past 4 years.
I don't. Shed some light upon my ignorance, oh mighty violet-haired blueberry.
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People keep comparing this to Thriller Bark as if that's a bad thing. I thought Thriller Bark was really fun. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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I don't. Shed some light upon my ignorance, oh mighty violet-haired blueberry.
He had Tonsilitis, had to go surgery because of it and he might have Diabetes, plus having only 3 hours of sleep per day.
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At first I didn't want Brook to separate but when I think about it this gives him even more chances to really shine. There are no Luffys, Zoros or Sanjis to rush into action before everyone else, this is going to be fun! Too bad it's looking like Brook will miss out on this illusionist fruit user(at least initially), seems like Brook's abilities would completely dominate this persons shtick. And yeah thats gotta be a translation issue, Brook is certainly talking about piloting the Shark Sub as apposed to just ridding in it.
It's funny that Carrot has known Brook for several weeks now and has only just now seen his ghostly spirit ability.
Anyone else get a Wonka's Chocolate Factory vibe when they first stepped inside the forest?
This is the second gator man we've seen, they walk on two legs, they share the same hate and they talk, one is just giant. Can't wait to figure out who they are and why they are.
That giant guy has got to be originally from the Kamabaka Queendom.
Carrot may be displaying her animal keen senses or we might have just got a display of her Color of Observation.
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It doesn't matter if is water or not. Any liquid works on Devil Fruit users!
I beg to differ, I will admit I am not as knowledgeable on One Piece as I would like. However I remember wax not sapping Luffy's energy back when he faced Mr.3.
@Bugs:Curiouser and curiouser.
I like what you did with the Alice & Wonderland reference.
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Both a literal and not literal bridge chapter. Good place for Oda to take next week off. Other than that nothing special.
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@$abZ:
In my view people who call this chapter boring or filler don't understand storytelling. It's a setup chapter with the intention of familiarising us with the environment and its inhabitants. One Piece sets up like that ALL THE TIME. People are fickle.
While I agree that this people don't know storytelling, nor following a series at all(or at least they are trying hard just to hate). This isn't a setup chapter either! Setup chapters happen during the exposition phase, and the objective is to introduce the audience to what the current "part" is all about. That had to do with founding about Sanji Marriage, his family, Pudding, Big Mom and so on.
This isn't what is happening in this chapter, we are in the exploring the main island already, right now the story is in the beginning of the rising action phase.
Act 2: Rising Action
The action of this act leads the audience to the climax. It is common for complications to arise, or for the protagonist to encounter obstacles.
Source: http://www.storyboardthat.com/articles/education/literature/five-act-play
People shouldn't think that anything that isn't Hype moment, Plot-Twist, Mind Blowing, or climax in a story is setup, because definitely a story doesn't work like that.
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:wub: Another posh bowler hat wearing Crocodile! Damn Oda, you sure know how to tug my heartstrings. Sorry Don Luffyone, you have been (temporarily) outclassed.
What people want to see:
830: The crew arrive on whole cake island! They somehow arrive straight into Big Mum's domain!
831: Big Mum's badass stoic crew pose epicly while Luffy and co. pose with determination in their eyes!
832: They exchange smug remarks with more posing and looking cool!
833~855: FIGHTS with awesome powerups
856: Luffy confronts Big Mum. However he is outmatched. Oh dear! The viewers all bite their lips in anticipation!
857: On the verge of death, resolve suddenly hardens Luffy's rubber heart and he gets an epic power up!
858: After making a badass speech and unveiling his Gear5&6 along with his DF awakening, Luffy defeats Big Mum!See Oda? That's how you tell a good story. This is a shounen Oda, nobody cares about snicker character development nor pftt adventures. All viewers want is hardcore action with cool stoic heroes with personalities resembling inanimate carbon rods or even better, doormats. Why are you adding so much adventure in the plot? What's with Big Mum's design? A grumpy obese old woman? No one would take that seriously. Let me tell you how to design a female villain. She needs to be this dark slender and totally mysterious woman with a hint of seductiveness to get the viewers interested, not the caricature of a villain that you came up with. Also, what's with talking objects and a blergh sweet island? Grow up Oda, this is almost like a kiddie's storybook. We want more mature and dark elements in the story. I am so disappointed at you, Oda.
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I beg to differ, I will admit I am not as knowledgeable on One Piece as I would like. However I remember wax not sapping Luffy's energy back when he faced Mr.3.
I like what you did with the Alice & Wonderland reference.
While the part of any liquid is wrong, against Mr. 3 Luffy never got submerged by its liquid form.
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@le:
:wub: Another posh bowler hat wearing Crocodile! Damn Oda, you sure know how to tug my heartstrings. Sorry Don Luffyone, you have been (temporarily) outclassed.
What people want to see:
830: The crew arrive on whole cake island! They somehow arrive straight into Big Mum's domain!
831: Big Mum's badass stoic crew pose epicly while Luffy and co. pose with determination in their eyes!
832: They exchange smug remarks with more posing and looking cool!
833~855: FIGHTS with awesome powerups
856: Luffy confronts Big Mum. However he is outmatched. Oh dear! The viewers all bite their lips in anticipation!
857: On the verge of death, resolve suddenly hardens Luffy's rubber heart and he gets an epic power up!
858: After making a badass speech and unveiling his Gear5&6 along with his DF awakening, Luffy defeats Big Mum!See Oda? That's how you tell a good story. This is a shounen Oda, nobody cares about snicker character development nor pftt adventures. All viewers want is hardcore action with cool stoic heroes with personalities resembling inanimate carbon rods or even better, doormats. Why are you adding so much adventure in the plot? What's with Big Mum's design? A grumpy obese old woman? No one would take that seriously. Let me tell you how to design a female villain. She needs to be this dark slender and totally mysterious woman with a hint of seductiveness to get the viewers interested, not the caricature of a villain that you came up with. Also, what's with talking objects and a blergh sweet island? Grow up Oda, this is almost like a kiddie's storybook. We want more mature and dark elements in the story. I am so disappointed at you, Oda.
sounds like the dragonballz freiza arc lol.
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Both a literal and not literal bridge chapter. Good place for Oda to take next week off. Other than that nothing special.
It was not a Bridge Chapter. It was already stated many times in this thread that there were a lot of story progression in this chapter. It is only 6 pages right now, you can read and understand.
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@Tamiel:
If a devil fruit user can create sweets, I can't imagine him/her not around Big Mom 24/7. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a Sweet Sweet fruit is present my question would be, what are the limitations?
I think big mom just brings stuff to life we already know she gets the sweets from other islands and they even get destroyed if they don't pay up.
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@sanji''s_dad:
I think big mom just brings stuff to life we already know she gets the sweets from other islands and they even get destroyed if they don't pay up.
I agree with this more than the Food devil fruit user.
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sounds like the dragonballz freiza arc lol.
Dragon Ball Frieza arc had a great 3 way all-out gathering the Dragon Ball "game" though. I don't know where "They somehow arrive straight into Enemy domain" sounds like that arc, when Gohan team and Vegeta team passed a good time in the arc hidden and observing the enemy. And even after being discovered, you have multiple areas of conflict, like Frieza spaceship, and Old Namek Elder house and so on.
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She probably takes years of life from people and then puts it in objects and such.
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Wow, it was hinted before, but Oda just went all out Alice in Wonderland on our ass! Especially with the white rabbit.
That's obviously not really Sanji sitting in that tree, but what are the odds it's a mischievous cat:
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Wow, it was hinted before, but Oda just went all out Alice in Wonderland on our ass! Especially with the white rabbit.
That's obviously not really Sanji sitting in that tree, but what are the odds it's a mischievous cat:
No, that's 4Kids Sanji.
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Adventure chapters like this one is what I read One Piece for. Great stuff.
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She probably takes years of life from people and then puts it in objects and such.
16 chars of this
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Deliciously bizarre chapter. Everything was so sporadic it felt right out of a dream. . .or a nightmare.
- Look, a talking crocodile. . .and he's out. Look, a giant embedded on the floor! Bye, giant! A bunny is trying to kill us! Oh, well, that happens sometimes. . .
So weird.
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Deliciously bizarre chapter. Everything was so sporadic it felt right out of a dream. . .or a nightmare.
- Look, a talking crocodile. . .and he's out. Look, a giant embedded on the floor! Bye, giant! A bunny is trying to kill us! Oh, well, that happens sometimes. . .
So weird.
It really does feel like Alice in Wonderland.
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The rabbit that attacked Nami and Carrot was the same one who got the fruits for the wedding cake. (page 14, chapter 827)
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Sole thing going through my head while reading this chapter was: ITS AN ENEMY STAND ATTACK!
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The rabbit that attacked Nami and Carrot was the same one who got the fruits for the wedding cake. (page 14, chapter 827)
yupp, but, should we be worried of their strength ? I mean, okay Carrot is strong ( did she use haki to dodge this attack ? ) but those three here
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/827/17
are probably BigMom's strongest crewmates. If Carrot dodged a surprise attack ( he was obviously waiting the right moment before attacking ), then, what Sanji or Zoro would be able to do ?well, I'm probably jumping on conclusion here.
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yupp, but, should we be worried of their strength ? I mean, okay Carrot is strong ( did she use haki to dodge this attack ? ) but those three here
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/827/17
are probably BigMom's strongest crewmates. If Carrot dodged a surprise attack ( he was obviously waiting the right moment before attacking ), then, what Sanji or Zoro would be able to do ?well, I'm probably jumping on conclusion here.
It is funny cause Zoro isn't even there.
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There are two small panels before the attack on nami by Rabbit. On the first one, Carrot notices the end of the spear, or some movement from the bushes. Eh I don't think it was haki, just instincs and her own martial prowess.
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I have no idea why some people seem to dislike this chapter, I had a blast. Hilarious and bizarre from start to finish and when I was done, I immediately wanted to read it again.
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Fun chapter, Whole Cake is such a cool location, everything just has so much personality to it. Makes for a delightful stage to watch events play out on.
Really enjoyed how Luffy, Nami, Chopper, and Carrot played off of one another here. It was nice to see Nami take charge and keep the group together too.
Crocodile-man, the giant buried in the ground, and seeing Luffy rage at his own reflection were all hilarious.
Looking forward to what else the Seducing Woods has in store.
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He might be speaking about piloting it. Maybe a translation issue.
Plus it's a different sub, they mention it being the 3rd, so it's not the same as in sabaody
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I can actually really see the Thriller Bark resemblance here. A lot of time is devoted to exploring a weird, out-of-the-ordinary place before anyone really knows exactly what's happening, and it gets progressively more surreal as the characters themselves become more freaked out, while also subtly introducing us to the villains that will become important later once the arc becomes more grounded. Personally, as long as the arc keeps up this sort of pace and feeling, I have absolutely no complaints whatsoever. Between this and the last arc, Oda has really been showing off his creativity, and it's this sense of adventure, more than anything else, that keeps me coming back.
Also, as far as characterization goes, I love how Luffy, Carrot, and Chopper never seem to stop being excited over being on a candy island. Not only is it incredibly in character, I just like how much of the chapter's energy comes from their reactions. Very tight storytelling all around.
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He had Tonsilitis, had to go surgery because of it and he might have Diabetes, plus having only 3 hours of sleep per day.
So what? I had tonsilitis two months ago and I was up and going two days after the surgery, also I had diabetes since I was young but I got cured by sheer will power and beer. I'm also a pathological liar.
Now, let's be serious, I heard about his tonsilitis but I never heard about this diabetes thing. He better take care of himself because I really want to see OP finished. I hope he's not pushing himself too much because lately there seems to be a break every other week.
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:wub: Another posh bowler hat wearing Crocodile! Damn Oda, you sure know how to tug my heartstrings. Sorry Don Luffyone, you have been (temporarily) outclassed.
What people want to see:
830: The crew arrive on whole cake island! They somehow arrive straight into Big Mum's domain!
831: Big Mum's badass stoic crew pose epicly while Luffy and co. pose with determination in their eyes!
832: They exchange smug remarks with more posing and looking cool!
833~855: FIGHTS with awesome powerups
856: Luffy confronts Big Mum. However he is outmatched. Oh dear! The viewers all bite their lips in anticipation!
857: On the verge of death, resolve suddenly hardens Luffy's rubber heart and he gets an epic power up!
858: After making a badass speech and unveiling his Gear5&6 along with his DF awakening, Luffy defeats Big Mum!See Oda? That's how you tell a good story. This is a shounen Oda, nobody cares about snicker character development nor pftt adventures. All viewers want is hardcore action with cool stoic heroes with personalities resembling inanimate carbon rods or even better, doormats. Why are you adding so much adventure in the plot? What's with Big Mum's design? A grumpy obese old woman? No one would take that seriously. Let me tell you how to design a female villain. She needs to be this dark slender and totally mysterious woman with a hint of seductiveness to get the viewers interested, not the caricature of a villain that you came up with. Also, what's with talking objects and a blergh sweet island? Grow up Oda, this is almost like a kiddie's storybook. We want more mature and dark elements in the story. I am so disappointed at you, Oda.
You know the sad part? Despite this being an ironic comment, you just described Enies Lobby.
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It was not a Bridge Chapter. It was already stated many times in this thread that there were a lot of story progression in this chapter. It is only 6 pages right now, you can read and understand.
No, it's a bridge chapter. In my mind that constitutes a chapter that merely means to move the characters from big set piece to another. There are no big revelations, no big events, no decisions or choices that affect the story or the current arc. (Unlike last chapter where Jinbe progressed the story) It is literally them going into a forest and setting up the events that are going to come in the next few chapters. So a literal bridge from "Let's leave Pudding/Jinbe meeting Big Mom" to "Wacky adventures in the Forest."
There is nothing wrong about bridge chapters, Oda has DOZENS of them. It is just that when you are reading One Piece on a week to week basis they can be quite boring and uninteresting. Especially when your part of a community that hyper-examines every little detail. These chapters are much better to read when you can binge an entire volume, but on their own, separated from the rest of the story and as your weekly dose of new One Piece, they can feel kinda bleh.
My opinion of course, but I pride myself on calling a spade a spade when it comes to One Piece. Just because it is by far the best manga in Jump doesn't mean it's flawless.
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He better take care of himself because I really want to see OP finished.
Agreed. Now I'd like to compile Oda's recent statements about his health.
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"I went to a hospital to have a complete medical checkup. I don't know what to say about the results… I want to work out." (comment in chapter 812)
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"I sign up for a sports gym and become a healthy person. I've had such a dream." (comment in chapter 815)
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"I played a futsal game for a short time with the team of Mr. Sakurai to improve my health, but on the contrary, I was about to die due to lack of strength. "(comment in chapter 817)
I never heard about this diabetes thing.
- There is a diabetes medicine called "シノミッテル" on Oda's desk. (ONE PIECE Great Newspaper in June 2016)[hide][/hide]
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You know the sad part? Despite this being an ironic comment, you just described Enies Lobby.
That's what I was thinking and Enies Lobby is one of the best arcs ever…lol
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This episode was a trip. Cant believe all the lunacy in here hahaha
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Plus it's a different sub, they mention it being the 3rd, so it's not the same as in sabaody
it's no..3 is the number of the dock it s' kept in
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Agreed. Now I'd like to compile Oda's recent statements about his health.
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"I went to a hospital to have a complete medical checkup. I don't know what to say about the results… I want to work out." (comment in chapter 812)
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"I sign up for a sports gym and become a healthy person. I've had such a dream." (comment in chapter 815)
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"I played a futsal game for a short time with the team of Mr. Sakurai to improve my health, but on the contrary, I was about to die due to lack of strength. "(comment in chapter 817)
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There is a diabetes medicine called "シノミッテル" on Oda's desk. (ONE PIECE Great Newspaper in June 2016)[hide]http://i.imgur.com/HJvFvte.jpg[/hide]
Jesus Christ Oda, lead a healthier life style yesterday!
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If the juice river is work of a fruit then why doesn't it get nullified by the sea?
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Also, for the theory that you have to eat something from the forest to see shit because of the seduction...When Luffy 1st saw Sanji, he hadn't eaten anything at that point.
But then again, Nami also saw Sanji just laying/chilling on the tree even though she didn't eat anything.
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I have no idea why some people seem to dislike this chapter, I had a blast. Hilarious and bizarre from start to finish and when I was done, I immediately wanted to read it again.
Nothing wrong with the chapter the real reason they dislike it's because of the break lol.