Maybe she is some weird monster that eats things to birth new life into them? There some crazy legend that sound like this?
Are you calling Wapol a weird monster?
Maybe she is some weird monster that eats things to birth new life into them? There some crazy legend that sound like this?
Are you calling Wapol a weird monster?
Are you calling Wapol a weird monster?
You're implying he isn't?
I mean, dude can survive a beheading and is, like, half-tin can.
Yeah, Wapol totally is a weird monster.
lol I wouldn't put that past Oda.
If I remember correctly she said something along the lines of "I'm so excited my stomach acid is over flowing!" Which I interpreted as a positive and somewhat controlled reaction. As in thats what she does when she is ready to eat something.
When I look at her Jolly Roger the only thing that comes to mind are plants and specifically a carnivorous pitcher plant. Something that traps its pray inside it's body and digests it with it's plant chemicals. I've been pitching that since day 1 but I really don't have the slightest idea.
i think she just has a acid devil fruit first time hearing the carnivorous plant idea so you're the first with that idea rubber gloves are used when cleaning things with acid and luffy has the rubber fruit so it would be like the enel fight where luffy is resistant to the enemys fruit a lot of people are to blind to see the acid coming out of her mouth when we first saw her back at fishman island lol.
the creepiest darkest thing to happen in One Piece in a while was that awful song and dance from the last chapter. Things like Child's Play and It come to mind or that awful clown in the original Poltergeist. All the darkest things are wrapped in the prettiest of packages. A setting can be beautiful and light hearted but everything surrounding it can be twisted and dark. Brickbuildings and shades of gray and brown are all superficial.
When it comes to Big Mom and her giving life to everything I don't see it yet. The stomach acid just doesn't fit as a by product of a power that grants life to inanimate objects. I'm sure she has a minion who takes care of that.
Or like images like this? http://i.imgur.com/h7lrcV9.jpg
The mpre you dwell on it the creepier it gets.
Or like images like this? http://i.imgur.com/h7lrcV9.jpg
The mpre you dwell on it the creepier it gets.
Ew I don't like it. That's exactly what I get from Totland.
Ew I don't like it. That's exactly what I get from Totland.
The shop wasn't made of chocolate inside and out:ninja:
@Long:
I kind of question the acid thing a bit, wpuldnt that be really similair to magellan. I understand the stomach acid tie in but beyond that chapter it hasnt really stuck in my mind as much.
magellan and caesar both have poisoned based fruits and ace,a filler character with a heat fruit and akainu's manga fruit are all hot then you have monet and aojiki both cold based ones.
even zoans have fruits that have different models of the same type of zoan.
luffy's rubber fruit giving him a advantage against big mom's acid fruit makes sense she is the first yonkou luffy might fight.
@sanji''s_dad:
magellan and caesar both have poisoned based fruits
Some of the many applications of Caesar's Devil Fruit involve poison, but by no means is it "poison based".
@sanji''s_dad:
luffy's rubber fruit giving him a advantage against big mom's acid fruit makes sense she is the first yonkou luffy might fight.
I seriously doubt Luffy will come to blows with Big Mom in this arc, or before Kaido has been taken down for that matter.
@sanji''s_dad:
luffy's rubber fruit giving him a advantage against big mom's acid fruit makes sense she is the first yonkou luffy might fight.
Even if that is the case, rubber is not resistent to acid…And that doens't mean Luffy is still not made of flesh.
So, what is the consensus on Big Mom's devil fruit? I mean, does she even have a devil fruit? Is it going to be reanimation power or just an acid-acid fruit? I need to see additional Big Mom appearances before I personally can really speculate I have no idea myself.
I seriously doubt Luffy will come to blows with Big Mom in this arc, or before Kaido has been taken down for that matter.
Why do you think so? I personally think Luffy VS a Yonko needs to be shown to see how far off exactly he is, and this is the arc to do it. Currently Kaido/BB would literally kill Luffy without thinking twice, Big Mom is an ideal first Yonko fight IMO.
The acid fruit theory had always been so dumb. As if Oda would make her powers so obvious.
Why do you think so? I personally think Luffy VS a Yonko needs to be shown to see how far off exactly he is, and this is the arc to do it. Currently Kaido/BB would literally kill Luffy without thinking twice, Big Mom is an ideal first Yonko fight IMO.
Agreed. Luffy can't be the Pirate King if he doesn't challenge anyone and Big Mom seems like a proper intro to the Yonkou.
Damn I'm practically alone in thinking Pudding and Three Eyes are not the same? Oh well.
Damn I'm practically alone in thinking Pudding and Three Eyes are not the same? Oh well.
Sabo is dead. Paulie is joining the crew. etc.
This thread should be named Whole Cake island thread.
@Monkey:
Sabo is dead. Paulie is joining the crew. etc.
Nobody can be more alive dead than Monet though.:ninja:
This thread should be named Whole Cake island thread.
There's not a single reason to do that.
If we had these threads back when skypea or Arabasta, they would be named that, not sandy island or upper yard/angel beach.
This thread should be named Whole Cake island thread.
I suggest that you go reread the past chapters so that you know what totland stands for lol.
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Some of the many applications of Caesar's Devil Fruit involve poison, but by no means is it "poison based".
I seriously doubt Luffy will come to blows with Big Mom in this arc, or before Kaido has been taken down for that matter.
Luffy does not need to beat big mum in a fight they could have a duel like at the end of dressrosa when luffy had a fight with the admiral with no winner since nami's card from lola would stop someone winning in the fight but it would give luffy a taste of how strong the yonkou are.
fishman island will most likely be attacked as well forcing a alliance between the straw hat and big mom pirates i think the beast pirates are stronger than the big mom pirates so a alliance would not be to much maybe even kaido kills big mom in a future fight.
@Monkey:
Sabo is dead. Paulie is joining the crew. etc.
Well when you put it like THAT….
Damn I'm practically alone in thinking Pudding and Three Eyes are not the same? Oh well.
You can see Nitro behind her next to Big Mom when she first appeared.
99.9% chance they're the same.
What about two different slimes? Nitro has a hat, the other one not.
What about two different slimes? Nitro has a hat, the other one not.
He is not obliged to wear a hat every time.
Pretty sure Big Mom has a mythical Zoan : Witch model.
Extra long life, and magical powers.
Probably someone based of slave folklore such as baba yaga
@LordEnel:
Pretty sure Big Mom has a mythical Zoan : Witch model.
Witch Zoan? Give me a break.
Witch Zoan? Give me a break.
It's not really that far fetched to be fair.
I remember someone pointing out similarities between Big Mom and Baba Yaga, as well as Big Mom's flag featuring a tree (Baba Yaga is a forest dweller).
I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see more Mythical Zoans among the world's big players considering their power and rarity.
If you have a DF that grants you magic powers then make it a Paramecia instead of a Zoan.
A Zoan that turns you into Michael Phelps is far more possible.
If you have a DF that grants you magic powers then make it a Paramecia instead of a Zoan.
A Zoan that turns you into Michael Phelps is far more possible.
Mythical Zoans have been shown to have a variety of abilities attached to them though, and it makes sense.
Just having a magic magic no mi that allows the user to do x, y and z would maybe be a bit too wide ranging for a single paramecia fruit?
About fighting Big Mom… So Big Mom is weaker than Kaido because... she looks less intimidating/is a woman?
Therefore Luffy will fight and completely beat the weakest Yonko first in order to get prepared to fight the stronger Yonko like Kaido afterwards?
Sounds legit.
A witch, on a broom, flying in the forest, on a cold, full moon night.
Ok paramecia bro.
Of course it's ridiculous. Luffy has no chance at beating big mom right now so I expect big mom to beat the crap out of him but he ends up winning by saving sanji anyway. Through plot or err his "luck" and "willpower". Big Mom isn't going down this arc though, that much is clear.
That looks nothing like you're describing it so stop pretending like she couldn't be a paramecia. My opinion is still that she is a queen bee zoan.
@LordEnel:
Pretty sure Big Mom has a mythical Zoan : Witch model.
Extra long life, and magical powers.
Probably someone based of slave folklore such as baba yaga
Totland is looking to be based on Western European fairy tales, with Big Mom being more like a witch in the sense of Hansel & Gretel. Mixed in with Disney stuff. Alice in Wonderland and some other stuff like that.
Not Slavic folklore.
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@LordEnel:
A witch, on a broom, flying in the forest, on a cold, full moon night.
Ok paramecia bro.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2CuXezQuYEk/UjHfpHpRgTI/AAAAAAAABE0/1Bct8SEjS6E/s1600/Big+Mom+flag.gif
Baga Yaga flies in a mortar and holds a pestle. Not a broom usually. Even if it was a broom….how the hell is that unique to Slavic folklore. Witches on brooms is widespread across Europe.
Also where is the broom on that flag? All I see is a tree and some unidentifiable gusts of wind looking things.
"A single tree = WITCH IN FOREST FROM RUSSIA" is some funny stretching shit my man.
@Monkey:
Sabo is dead. Paulie is joining the crew. etc.
You've got that wrong. Paulie is dead. Sabo is joining the crew.
@Bartholemew:
About fighting Big Mom… So Big Mom is weaker than Kaido because... she looks less intimidating/is a woman?
Blackbeard is the final villain so even if he is not the strongest right now, he will be soon enough. Kaidou is dubbed the "strongest creature in the world". Shanks is probably among the weaker two with Big Mom. Not sure which would be the weakest, but I can see why people think it's Big Mom. I personally think 2 Yonkou will be beaten by Luffy in the New World: Kaidou and Big Mom. Kaidou will be a team effort it looks like, and I feel like Luffy has to take out one Yonkou by himself before Raftel. So I think I'm on board with the "Big Mom is the weakest" sentiment.
And to be fair, Big Mom looking less strong "because woman" is not (necessarily) due to sexism on the part of the fanbase. Oda's treatment of fighting women is iffy in general, to say the least. The thought that Big Mom is the weakest purely when considering her sex makes some sense even if you disregard what I said in the first part of my post.
Blackbeard is the final villain so even if he is not the strongest right now, he will be soon enough. Kaidou is dubbed the "strongest creature in the world". Shanks is probably among the weaker two with Big Mom. Not sure which would be the weakest, but I can see why people think it's Big Mom. I personally think 2 Yonkou will be beaten by Luffy in the New World: Kaidou and Big Mom. Kaidou will be a team effort it looks like, and I feel like Luffy has to take out one Yonkou by himself before Raftel. So I think I'm on board with the "Big Mom is the weakest" sentiment.
And to be fair, Big Mom looking less strong "because woman" is not (necessarily) due to sexism on the part of the fanbase. Oda's treatment of fighting women is iffy in general, to say the least. The thought that Big Mom is the weakest purely when considering her sex makes some sense even if you disregard what I said in the first part of my post.
That is the same to say that Crocodile was the weakest warlord because he was the first to go down.
That is the same to say that Crocodile was the weakest warlord because he was the first to go down.
How, though? Please explain to me the flaws in my reasoning instead of making a vague analogy which I'm guessing is meant as a critique somehow.
How, though? Please explain to me the flaws in my reasoning instead of making a vague analogy which I'm guessing is meant as a critique somehow.
"Luffy is starting with BM, so she is the weakest". At least that is the message that previous post is giving me. There is no evidence that the Yonko aren't equal in power.
Blackbeard is the final villain so even if he is not the strongest right now, he will be soon enough. Kaidou is dubbed the "strongest creature in the world". Shanks is probably among the weaker two with Big Mom. Not sure which would be the weakest, but I can see why people think it's Big Mom. I personally think 2 Yonkou will be beaten by Luffy in the New World: Kaidou and Big Mom. Kaidou will be a team effort it looks like, and I feel like Luffy has to take out one Yonkou by himself before Raftel. So I think I'm on board with the "Big Mom is the weakest" sentiment.
And to be fair, Big Mom looking less strong "because woman" is not (necessarily) due to sexism on the part of the fanbase. Oda's treatment of fighting women is iffy in general, to say the least. The thought that Big Mom is the weakest purely when considering her sex makes some sense even if you disregard what I said in the first part of my post.
Big mom is based on a chinese pirate her being made the weakest would be more because of that not her gender due to the history of china and japan not liking each other very much and china making cheap fake copies of stuff made in japan.
i also think she has a acid devil fruit which would give luffy a advantage over her due to him having a rubber devil fruit rubber gloves are used when cleaning stuff with acid.
"Luffy is starting with BM, so she is the weakest". At least that is the message that previous post is giving me. There is no evidence that the Yonko aren't equal in power.
Oh, I now notice that I did not make clear the order in which I think they will go down. Because I think Kaidou will go down first. I don't believe BM will go down this arc.
Oh, I now notice that I did not make clear the order in which I think they will go down. Because I think Kaidou will go down first. I don't believe BM will go down this arc.
kaido might take big mom down after she gets pissed off that he attacks fishman island for the mermaid princess
Oh, I now notice that I did not make clear the order in which I think they will go down. Because I think Kaidou will go down first. I don't believe BM will go down this arc.
So, what do you mean with team effort in regarding to Kaido? If you mean it like it was the case for a lot of previous villains like Doffy, then I agree. However, if you mean like together they can do it, but one vs. one Luffy clearly would lose, then… Just no!
Storytelling-wise it would be a total tension killer, if Luffy at the end of the day wouldn't fight his first Yonko in a brutal 1 vs. 1. And I actually want my One Piece with high stakes and high tension. And that actually was the point of the Luffy vs. Fuji fight - to show that Luffy is ready to face these guys by himself now.
@Bartholemew:
So, what do you mean with team effort in regarding to Kaido? If you mean it like it was the case for a lot of previous villains like Doffy, then I agree. However, if you mean like together they can do it, but one vs. one Luffy clearly would lose, then… Just no!
Storytelling-wise it would be a total tension killer, if Luffy at the end of the day wouldn't fight his first Yonko in a brutal 1 vs. 1. And I actually want my One Piece with high stakes and high tension. And that actually was the point of the Luffy vs. Fuji fight - to show that Luffy is ready to face these guys by himself now.
I'm not going to pretend to be able to predict that kind of stuff. I doubt that Oda will make the fight against Kaidou a replica of the fight with Doflamingo. On the other hand, I don't know how else he could do it but to have Law get out of the fight somewhere through and have Luffy finish it.
I've been thinking, though, now that Law knows about G4 and its weakness, he might pick Luffy aside for a plan in the fight with Kaidou. Like, maybe he's thinking to save his energy and let Luffy go in first, and then when Luffy is out of G4 Law will step in, and then when Luffy recovers he will join back in. Of course, even if he does concoct this plan, it will probably not go entirely as planned.
Anyways, overall I don't really know how to imagine it going down. It's the sort of thing I'd rather wait and see.
If a duel with Big Mom happens, then they might off panel it but tease us with gear 5. And then show it full blown against Kaido. I also wonder why a lot of people ignore the fact that Luffy stated he could evade Doffy for 10 minutes, but he couldn't afford it because Doffy would just kill the entire country so they needed to distract him.
PS: i don't want BM and Luffy's confrontation to be resolved like that.
Ps2: i'm mostly joking, but it's hard to believe a new gear would not been shown in either fight, if a fight occurs with BM in the first place
Ps Vita: i am serious about the doffy thing, and find it hard to see when people say Doffy>Luffy. If this has been debated a lot, feel free to pm me if you don't want to get off topic.
@Tamiel:
If a duel with Big Mom happens, then they might off panel it but tease us with gear 5. And then show it full blown against Kaido. I also wonder why a lot of people ignore the fact that Luffy stated he could evade Doffy for 10 minutes, but he couldn't afford it because Doffy would just kill the entire country so they needed to distract him.
PS: i don't want BM and Luffy's confrontation to be resolved like that.
Ps2: i'm mostly joking, but it's hard to believe a new gear would not been shown in either fight, if a fight occurs with BM in the first place
Ps Vita: i am serious about the doffy thing, and find it hard to see when people say Doffy>Luffy. If this has been debated a lot, feel free to pm me if you don't want to get off topic.
I don't think we will get another gear most likely luffy will just awaken his devil fruit and use that with his gears.
Blackbeard is the final villain so even if he is not the strongest right now, he will be soon enough. Kaidou is dubbed the "strongest creature in the world". Shanks is probably among the weaker two with Big Mom. Not sure which would be the weakest, but I can see why people think it's Big Mom. I personally think 2 Yonkou will be beaten by Luffy in the New World: Kaidou and Big Mom. Kaidou will be a team effort it looks like, and I feel like Luffy has to take out one Yonkou by himself before Raftel. So I think I'm on board with the "Big Mom is the weakest" sentiment.
Strength isn't just measured here in terms of "lead person in a duel". The Yonkou have crews and command large territories and other forms of influence.
Even in Kaidou's case Law is attacking and disabling part of his power base by eliminating the source of SMILE. This is what I mean.
I'm going to guess that overall Oda probably thinks of Big Mom and Kaidou's forces as more or less on the same level.
With Shanks and (eventually if not already) Blackbeard as the top two….
But I'd also say the very and entire nature of the Yonkou is that they are locked in a stalemate amongst one another. So that give or take all four Emperor's are basically on the same level. Without any single one being obviously or notable stronger than the next.
Which doesn't really impact Blackbeard's final villain role, as he's still a work in progress. As well as the newest one in a time where the balance of powers is teetering.
The other three must be on similar levels to have been part of the classic four who were regarded as balanced by the Gorosei.
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@sanji''s_dad:
Big mom is based on a chinese pirate
Um…no? When has Oda said this?
her being made the weakest would be more because of that not her gender due to the history of china and japan not liking each other very much and china making cheap fake copies of stuff made in japan.
Oda's not some stupid nationalist idiot who would do some petty crap like that. He may be crap on gender issues, but he's otherwise pretty damn progressive. And as someone popular in China and Korea, I still think some of what he thematically played with in the Fishman Island arc was inspired by reaching out and recognizing his popularity among children and teens who hate Japan.
@Monkey:
Strength isn't just measured here in terms of "lead person in a duel". The Yonkou have crews and command large territories and other forms of influence.
Even in Kaidou's case Law is attacking and disabling part of his power base by eliminating the source of SMILE. This is what I mean.I'm going to guess that overall Oda probably thinks of Big Mom and Kaidou's forces as more or less on the same level.
With Shanks and (eventually if not already) Blackbeard as the top two….
But I'd also say the very and entire nature of the Yonkou is that they are locked in a stalemate amongst one another. So that give or take all four Emperor's are basically on the same level. Without any single one being obviously or notable stronger than the next.
Which doesn't really impact Blackbeard's final villain role, as he's still a work in progress. As well as the newest one in a time where the balance of powers is teetering.
The other three must be on similar levels to have been part of the classic four who were regarded as balanced by the Gorosei.
I agree with everything here, except what makes you think that Shanks' forces are greater than BM's and Kaidou's? I don't remember that we ever got any indication of this.
Yeah I've always wondered where the hell is Shanks' allies and lesser crew? We've literally been introduced to members of the Big Mom, Beasts, and Blackbeard pirates since the second half. Where the hell is Shanks' allies/grunts? Does he just operate with one super strong crew on one boat and goes around and has a bunch of allies? Did the remnants of the Whitebeards join him? He doesn't seem like the kingpin type to me. I don't know, I think Shanks has to be one of the strongest Yonkos just due to the fact I have a feeling his crew is more of a quality or quantity thing, though I could be wrong.
Thing is, from a story point of view, Oda only shows things that are plot-relevant, and Shanks' crew are too nice (to the Straw Hats) to be of any importance thus far. They will come up, though, don't worry.
From an in-world point of view, although the Yonkou dominate the New World, the Straw Hats have only been to 4 islands thus far - and that is counting Zou which was under no Yonkou's jurisdiction. You can't really expect to have seen all 4 Yonkou by that point. The Straw Hats have mainly moved through the territory of Kaidou, and after the run-in with Big Mom's ship their path was diverted to her territory as well. And they saw Burgess in Dressrosa, only because of the tournament. We haven't even reached the halfway point, even after skipping the first set of islands. Having met with the crew of 3 Yonkou is just about right, if not already impressive.
It doesn't have to indicate that Shanks' forces are any less than the others; it just means they haven't gotten to any territory where he has business.
Yeah I've always wondered where the hell is Shanks' allies and lesser crew?
Same place as Big Mom's.
Off screen and panel until we get to a point where Oda shows them.
We've literally been introduced to members of the Big Mom, Beasts, and Blackbeard pirates since the second half.
We were introduced to members of the Redhair pirates in chapter one lol.