The numbered chapters…mean nothing.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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We all like to assume that, due to Usopp getting his numbered chapter super late, that leaving numbers out is part of Oda's master plan, for Usopp, Chopper and Robin…
but its equally plausible he just forgot/didn't think or want to do it at the time. Especially since in Chopper's case he would have given away the game about Vivi, and Robin has that "doesn't really belong vibe" for a long time.
It IS weird that he didn't lump Robin in at the time but....
I always figured CHopper would eventually get a chance to choose between being in the human world or some animal society where he wouldn't be a freak, and lo, Zou comes along.
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It IS weird that he didn't lump Robin in at the time but….
There's really no 'but' here. If it was a mistake, he could have just corrected it later. Especially that it and numbering Brook later prove that he does care.
I always figured CHopper would eventually get a chance to choose between being in the human world or some animal society where he wouldn't be a freak, and lo, Zou comes along.
Well, chances of this pretty much went to zero as soon as we've learned of Chopper TS development.
Anyway the thing that I always found important is that even for not too serious leaving the crew moment in DBF the member that was chosen was Chopper who had no numbered chapter. And for Sanji who has one it was stated on multiple occassions that he didn't leave the crew, even in the arc revovoving about bringing him back.
EDIT: By the way, since the start of Dressrosa I was under the impression that Kaido will force Chopper to join his crew (because of RB) in exchange for the crew's lives (which would make for a nice callback to DBF). But it's clearly not happeaning anymore.
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@Don:
It´s a timeless piece here in Europe.
I know that. But my point being not everything is so timeless.
You're aware of why I asked that with that quote right?I think Oda takes his inspirations from many different sources and doesn´t limit himself to the "international pirate canon" wherever that can be found.
You're doing that thing where people just sort of blankly mimic the whole "hey I found inspiration in so and so", without even the slightest idea of what those people are thinking when they do it.
An incredibly small gag character in a pirate crew in a comic not about pirates is not going to be Oda's inspiration for anything.
The mere existence of a thing somewhere does not make "hey maybe Oda will think of it" a good argument whatsoever.
Congratulations on digging up an obscure niche character that kind of sort of does a thing related to a position you wish Oda cared about.After all Wicki the viking was an inspiration for Oda to even start the series, so i think it´s possible Oda also knows Asterix.
Sure maybe he'll take some Asterix influence and add it to Elbaph. And not this random crap that he already completely lacks references to whatsoever in his series.
Having someone in the lookout might not be technically a real position on a pirate ship, but many people would at least mention it when asked about positions on a pirate ship.
Like on family feud the 3 point answer, that wins you the round^^Too bad one of those people hasn't been Eiichiro Oda, author of One Piece, in his manga where that has never ever come up. And noting the centrality and clear function of the roles each person has, that obviously will not be one.
His first character trait we were presented was that he loved to be high above,
He was a stilt enthusiast who accidentally got stuck on tall stilts that kept growing (bamboo). This wasn't the point though.
The point was Oda created a quick little Rip Van Winkle story of an goofy reason to be isolated for ten years, creating a tiny plot where they try and help him catch up with his tribe.
Nobody on earth thinks about Tonjit and goes "Oh yeah, that guy that loved high places". He's based on his predicament.It´s close enough, don´t you think?
Like i said, you´re nitpicking today.Nothing I'm doing is nitpicking. You're doing the reverse of this, stretching incredibly thin premises over your extremely flawed unfounded attempts to argue for Pedro.
If what I'm doing is looking like nitpicking, it's because you're basing your arguments on nits in the first place.
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It would have been cool if Oda gave Chopper "The Sixth" chapter back in Drum making everyone think Vivi was "The Fifth", but then just give it to Robin since we actually did meet her before Chopper.
Puddin is really cool, but I'm getting some Vivi/Conis/Caimie/Hancock/Shirahoshi vibes from the pet slime. But then again, Banchi.
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Well she made an interesting entrance, and met with luffy ( and chopper ) first.
The most likely of all candidates at this point in time, sans jinbei of course.
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We all like to assume that, due to Usopp getting his numbered chapter super late, that leaving numbers out is part of Oda's master plan, for Usopp, Chopper and Robin…
but its equally plausible he just forgot/didn't think or want to do it at the time. Especially since in Chopper's case he would have given away the game about Vivi, and Robin has that "doesn't really belong vibe" for a long time.
It IS weird that he didn't lump Robin in at the time but....
I always figured CHopper would eventually get a chance to choose between being in the human world or some animal society where he wouldn't be a freak, and lo, Zou comes along.
After watching how cringeworthy movie 3 im glad oda hasnt explored that. Chopper is secure.
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You rang? :wassat:
I am not the first nor the last to mention the position "lookout" be filled by a future Strawhat.
By all means link to more bad posts by people with this bad theory.
We have seen multiple Strawhats be on watch.
We've also heard they do laundry, and seen them unfurl the sail, and go grocery shopping, and handle accounting of the money.
90% of your arguments always come down to pointing out un-unique things like they're unique. You're like someone whose never really done the class reading, but still always speaks up anyway.And Pedro is seen multiple times in the crow's nest where a lookout would be and did the job.
Because again, he's a jaguar. The gag of his character is him perching. Because he's a jaguar.
Come on everyone, let's keep just straight up ignoring the shit out of this, come one come all.
Its just not convenient to our arguments, lets pretend it doesn't exist.A lookout or look-out is a person on a ship in charge of the observation of the sea for hazards, other ships, land, etc. Lookouts report anything they see and or hear.
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Lookouts have been traditionally placed in high on masts, in crow's nests and tops.
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Every vessel must at all times keep a proper look-out by sight (day shape or lights by eyes or visual aids)So to refute my claim that the lookout job was "never mentioned in the series, shown in the series, and never mentioned even in the fanbase" You decided to quote a wikipedia article on real life lookouts.
Good job Bearious.But your trolling as usual. I pointed to Pedro as potential lookout and night watchman which fits his skillset.
I could also state that this other position was never mentioned in the series, shown in the series, and never mentioned even in the fanbase
But that would be looking over the fact that night watchmen have absolutely nothing to do with ship crews, pirate or otherwise, why are you talking about night watchmen.So if/when Pedro joins, whatever his position would be would relate to being a lookout and night watchman.
Seriously, where the hell did "night watchman" come from.
What are you even talking about at this point.I said Pedro could be a ninja, which could be seen as a lookout or night watchman, but since Pedro is a jaguar your logic tells you he CAN'T be a ninja because it's his animal nature!
The reason everyone keeps screaming at you that the reason Oda draws him in trees and stuff is because he's a jaguar, is because that's the reason Oda is drawing that.
Just like every single other Mink, he embodies tropes of his animal.
You are seeing a reason for his perching, and making one up. But sorry, there's already a reason.That makes no sense. If anything that makes Pedro MORE suited to be a ninja. There are PLENTY of animal ninjas in other mangas and animes.
Hey has Pedro done anything ninja like even once?
If Oda is going to add a ninja to the crew (not happening to being with) why would it be friggin' Pedro, and not y'know…someone from Wano who is actually a straight up ninja.There is even episode of a nature show comparing animals to ninjas.
Occam's goddamn razor.
Even if we were to have a ninja, it will be a Wano ninja.
Not an animal because "once english National geographic ran a tv show that said blah blah". That's not even remotely support for this.
Why can't you get it through your head that a theory that has to be completely strained backwards and twisted beyond recognition, is a theory you should give up on.
Strain is the way your mind should be telling you its not likely.
You meanwhile have zero sense of this. You don't seem to care about the story, you care about Pedro.I believe that the Strawhats will get a ninja to join the main crew. Luffy wants one. He probably has wanted one as far back as Alabasta.
Not Shown in Link: Luffy wanting a ninja during Alabasta.
Oda (a Japanese man) made a ninja (japanese thing) waterfall joke in a bath scene.
SIXTY volumes later when the Japanese island people are showing up, (as with his comrades and their tricks) Luffy thinks the ninja is cool.
In your head this means one of the sacred eleven spots will be a ninja.
This is not a theory.So in conclusion, Pedro for Lookout/Nightwatch/Ninja or whatever position.
Seriously, where the holy fuck did "Nightwatchmen" come from. You even quoted the wiki article stating it was an old form of police in towns….its like you didn't even read what you posted at me.
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Actually that's well grounded position, since the person will receive their numbered chapter only when they join conclusively (though, if you look at these chapters, Robin still haven't joined for real).
Which should be exhibit A in "the number chapter theory is bunk".
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@Monkey:
I know that. But my point being not everything is so timeless.
You're aware of why I asked that with that quote right?That akward feeling when you realize that one of your favorite characters from your childhood comics is a racist caricature. Not that eight year old me ever thought about him as anything else than a fun character in a generally goofy, and disformed universe.
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didn't oda say that he's gonna avoid adding romance in one piece?
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There's really no 'but' here. If it was a mistake, he could have just corrected it later.
No there's a big giant "but". Robby didn't say mistake, he was saying Oda maybe didn't actually care that much about using things that way. And never really planned or cared to be consistent on it.
The funny thing is, based on actually reading the series we can be very certain that Robin is absolutely firmly in the crew. Y'know, based off things and plots and dialogue in that whole Water7/Enies Lobby storyline.
Even without some sort of bizarre obsession about some thing with chapter names Oda did a few times.If you're choosing these chapter titles over the plot, you're being so completely backwards on everything its not even funny.
Anyway the thing that I always found important is that even for not too serious leaving the crew moment in DBF the member that was chosen was Chopper who had no numbered chapter.
And that signifies what?
And for Sanji who has one it was stated on multiple occassions that he didn't leave the crew, even in the arc revovoving about bringing him back.
In fact actually if you really sit down and check… the only real part where there's all this talk about "leaving the crew"? Is all together in the whole DBF/Water7/Enies Lobby part of the story!
Almost like part of the point of that storyline was giving the crew a real test of its ability to hold together, give them multiple existential crisis at once.
Teasing the idea of losing crew with Chopper, then having Usopp and Robin leave around the same exact time.This idea that Oda is saving random plots of "HEY NOW I WILL LEAVE THE CREW" for every member is dumb, and shows illiteracy to what the entire point of roughly thirteen volumes worth of the series was.
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Eh. The three eye thing (and her being introed years in advance) makes her unique. and I've been saying for years now that if she were to evetually be the one, that early intro would be strong points in her favor. Add in her career making her a legit good partner for Sanji. And that Oda's willing to cover up her third eye means she can be cute for all the stuff she needs to be cute for without being weird. Toss in Luffy nonchalant "oh so Sanji's bride will be joining our crew?" I dunno, could be.
Third eye aside though, the design is a bit too plain and Nami-like though, and as far as introductions and personality go, this is much more arc ally like Caimie than a really outrageous memorable intro like the others. I can see them being engaged (and thus toning Sanji down) and her being a recurring figure, but filling a sort of Kaya role.
She's certainly miles better than Pedro and Carrot (who is clearly there to be Alice's white rabbit) for potential, (mostly from the early early setup) and her design is VERY ordinary, a typical Oda ideal of what girls are like. So there's not much there but she's at least not an outright stupid option to be discussing..
This is the best break down about why I am considering Pudding as new nakama material. Not to mention one of the biggest arguments against my considering her for new nakama was I thought she was going to have interactions and connections to Sanji way before meeting Luffy. The fact that Luffy is the first Straw Hat increases her chances of joining.
As for her design, I am hoping that Oda will actually highlight the third eye. It's the only thing that stands out about her, so I am hoping she is hiding it for specific reason. If you add the third eye into her "usual" design I think she stands out just enough for me not to be disappointed (although her having brown hair was a huge let down. I was hoping for purple or pink. Something more unique.)
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@Monkey:
No there's a big giant "but". Robby didn't say mistake, he was saying Oda maybe didn't actually care that much about using things that way. And never really planned or cared to be consistent on it.
The funny thing is, based on actually reading the series we can be very certain that Robin is absolutely firmly in the crew. Y'know, based off things and plots and dialogue in that whole Water7/Enies Lobby storyline.
Even without some sort of bizarre obsession about some thing with chapter names Oda did a few times.If you're choosing these chapter titles over the plot, you're being so completely backwards on everything its not even funny.
Okay, maybe I overdid it with 'there's no but'. The thing is I really don't understand why when he had a perfect opportunity to include her in 'Third and Seventh' (which has proven he remembers this chapter format) or a little earlier, he wouldn't go for it. It's just weird for six of the eight crewmates to have thes and two (middle ones) not too.
And that signifies what?
I think that it may point to Oda actually caring for these little details when even for what was mainly a gag arc he decided for 'unnumbered' member to leave the crew.
In fact actually if you really sit down and check… the only real part where there's all this talk about "leaving the crew"? Is all together in the whole DBF/Water7/Enies Lobby part of the story!
Almost like part of the point of that storyline was giving the crew a real test of its ability to hold together, give them multiple existential crisis at once.
Teasing the idea of losing crew with Chopper, then having Usopp and Robin leave around the same exact time.This idea that Oda is saving random plots of "HEY NOW I WILL LEAVE THE CREW" for every member is dumb, and shows illiteracy to what the entire point of roughly thirteen volumes worth of the series was.
After Water7 there is no question, this team holds together. Oda is not going to challenge that assumption again.Listen it's not that I don't know all of this or that I want another split to happean. I also can't imagine there being something like this in the manga again.
I do however think that Oda has actually shown some big care for these numbered chapters and I believe there will be something down the line that will allow him to do them for Robin and Chopper. Maybe it will be a gag, maybe it will be something unexcepted, I've really got no idea.Anyway, it's one of this many OP discussions that repeats frequently, everyone knows every argument and likely isn't going to change their mind, and it wasn't really that great idea to start it. I don't think there's any point in continuuing it.
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I'm surprised no one has brought the "nami-looking alike" thing with Pudding.
Sorry for doing it.
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I do however think that Oda has actually shown some big care for these numbered chapters and I believe there will be something down the line that will allow him to do them for Robin and Chopper.
We've been sailing with Chopper for over a decade and with Robin for a little less.
If Oda actually cared about the Nth Person chapters he would've done them back in Drum and Enies Lobby respectively. It's far too late for either to have a crisis of identity/loyalty that would warrant leaving and rejoining.
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I'm surprised no one has brought the "nami-looking alike" thing with Pudding.
Sorry for doing it.
I think the third eye is enough here. It's not like we'll ever get a female design like Dadan's or Sandersonia's on the crew anyway.
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Okay, maybe I overdid it with 'there's no but'. The thing is I really don't understand why when he had a perfect opportunity to include her in 'Third and Seventh' (which has proven he remembers this chapter format) or a little earlier, he wouldn't go for it.
Well for starters Franky literally boarded in that chapter near directly after officially joining, and Usopp rejoined.
Robin didn't particularly do anything directly related to joining.But the main thing is Oda most likely wasn't caring or thinking about it as much as you are.
This is someone who gives a very minimal shit about titles of chapters here.And "hey why didn't he!!!" does not in any way whatsoever survive scrutiny of the ENTIRE storyline preceding that chapter where Robin's place in the crew is firmly fixed.
I think that it may point to Oda actually caring for these little details when even for what was mainly a gag arc he decided for 'unnumbered' member to leave the crew.
Or that the plot he'd set up made the most sense for Chopper to be the character gone from the crew for four chapters.
Really anyone else would have been kind of strange and awkward, and it wouldn't have as much oomph if it was anyone who had already participated in a match (picking Chopper disadvantages the Strawhats in the Groggy Ring, and forces Zoro and Sanji to work together). -
The Living Sun of Whole Cake Island for Nakama! she can be the Nightwatchman!
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@Monkey King
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Just because "lookout" hasn't been mentioned as a "position" doesn't mean it isn't in the One Piece world. Jesus Burgess was named "helmsman" in Dressrosa arc even though his character has existed for over a decade I think. We saw Strawhats steer but yet no one was "officially" called one before or after Burgess. There wasn't even a hint Burgess was THE helmsman if I recall correctly before Dressrosa. So a position, be it a known position like helmsman and lookout or unique like archeologist or ninja, could be introduced whenever.
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I brought up night watchman because I have stated it in here in the past. The point was connecting the positions I actually brought up. YOU made the statement of me bringing up lookout first. It seems YOU didn't do your homework to use your analogy. So lookout and night watchman amalgamation would fit under the ninja umbrella.
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I read what you wrote. To sum it up you're saying I'm bias. Well being it is MY opinion so yeah…there will be some skewed references at times. But I'll own it if I'm wrong. Im only human...or martian...I forget.
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So Occam's Razor ALWAYS happens? My "assumptions" about Pedro are reasonable...to me at least. You actually find it that hard to believe, even a smidge, that a Jaguar Minkmen, a nocturnal anthropomorphic feline, who has connections with Wano, that has samurais and ninjas, AND who displays ninja tendacies that coincide with his animal nature, could actually be a ninja?
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Are we throwing insults? :sad: Okay then. You are the troublemaking kid who gets in trouble (doing something STUPID that gets them banned) then tries to shit on everyone's parade because of your own mistake...then gets banned some more. LET IT GO! You will feel better.
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@Monkey King
- Just because "lookout" hasn't been mentioned as a "position" doesn't mean it isn't in the One Piece world.
It also hasn't been in the One Piece world. Its a menial task we've seen people randomly carry out at various points without any hint of a fixed position of specific skill.
And well gee Bearious, the more you get to saying "Its not there" I almost think you're agreeing that its not there. And if its not there you shouldn't be making that argument and theory in the first place should you. Because really it doesn't matter one little bit that you think maybe possibly even without any evidence or hints that Oda might possibly add it later. Because that is literal fanfiction at this point.Jesus Burgess was named "helmsman" in Dressrosa arc even though his character has existed for over a decade I think.
Giving limited evidence that Oda acknowledges it as a specialty that a person can fix on. Making it have some substance as a job for people to use in theories.
Unlike Lookout.We saw Strawhats steer but yet no one was "officially" called one before or after Burgess.
Yes, and as a result I don't think Oda cares much about the job. So arguments based on Helmsmen positions are weak. But weak is better than nonexistent, such as any arguments based on the nonexistent One Piece job of Lookout.
Notice the main problem with both of them is a total lack of Oda depicting a desire or need for either one of these positions by the Strawhats.There wasn't even a hint Burgess was THE helmsman if I recall correctly before Dressrosa.
Try his introduction box in Volume 25.
So a position, be it a known position like helmsman and lookout or unique like archeologist or ninja, could be introduced whenever.
Two of those are crew positions you've completely invented as mattering (or period) in One Piece.
One is the insanely specific and mega-plot relevant Nico Robin role that is unique for an actual reason.
The other is Helmsman which is really not even the actual role Jimbei will likely fill. So much as a technical one. Since his character role is more about his species, swimming ease, and former boss character aspect.
There is actually really nothing in common that you're invented Lookout need fits in common with the Helmsman one.- I brought up night watchman because I have stated it in here in the past.
I don't care when you stated it. WHY at any point would anyone ever even think about that as a crew position. Its the most random thing you've ever posted, which is saying a LOT. I can't fathom it at all.
So lookout and night watchman amalgamation would fit under the ninja umbrella.
No Night Watchman is a totally different category entirely.
Lookout is an actual task on a ship, but not one ever mentioned in any way in One Piece.
Ninja is not a ship role whatsoever, but at least seems like a thing a Japanese author making a pulpy shonen action series might think up maybe possibly.
Night Watchman is not a ship role whatsoever, and has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all in anything related to ships, pirates, the ocean, or One Piece.- I read what you wrote. To sum it up you're saying I'm bias.
No I'm saying all your arguments are at all, is fanboying over a character. The whole entire aspect of trying to make a theory is a side effect of your Pedro fanboying. There are no actual theories, evidence, arguments, or any of that. It's all just fanboying.
- So Occam's Razor ALWAYS happens?
Going against Occam's Razor means that your randomly choosing things not based on given evidence or reason. Because Occam's Razor is always based on the given information at the time.
My "assumptions" about Pedro are reasonable..
They are universally not.
You actually find it that hard to believe, even a smidge, that a Jaguar Minkmen, a nocturnal anthropomorphic feline, who has connections with Wano, that has samurais and ninjas, AND who displays ninja tendacies that coincide with his animal nature, could actually be a ninja?
-Connections to Wano in the sense of being a citizen of a totally different place that has a transnational alliance with Wano but no shared culture.
-He has not displayed any ninja like tendencies. Perching in high locations is not a ninja like tendency.
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didn't oda say that he's gonna avoid adding romance in one piece?
so it's kinda hard to believe pudding is gonna join as the wife of sanji. maybe she will join but probably not as sanji's wife/love interest.He said that nearly 20 years ago, and in the context that the series was never going to be a shoujo manga.
He's had plenty of romance since, going as far back as Usopp and Kaya. And for more recent examples Rogue and Roger, or Leo and Wicca, or Baby 5 and Sai, not to mention all the stuff with Hancock, or how Sanji constantly acts. Romance, love, and even marriage are a part of life and the world, and Oda isn't going to wholecloth ignore those things.
Hes just not going to be overly super mushy about it and have pages upon pages of characters staring wantingly at each other while whispering sweet things and cuddling… and if he did, he'd use those elements for a gag rather than serious romance drama, the way Sanji's flirtings have been all along.
When all else fails, think Dragonball. Goku married Chichi and had kids. Krillin and Gohan both got wives. Bulma and Vegeta hooked up. Tons of romance. But never ever focused on, almost entirely off screen. Oda was declaring intent, not a hard permanent rule.
The main thing with Sanji taking a wife is that would heavily change his dynamics with the other girls. The fact that Puding is a sweets chef makes me think Oda might just go through with them connecting and having legitimate chemistry, but its hard to see her actually fitting longterm. Sanji mentioning her occasionally or restraining himself around other women can serve its own gag for a while, she doesn't actually have to be physically present to get the exact same material.
Okay, maybe I overdid it with 'there's no but'. The thing is I really don't understand why when he had a perfect opportunity to include her in 'Third and Seventh' (which has proven he remembers this chapter format) or a little earlier,
Because he's human and he makes mistakes or oversights or just doesn't really care. Or he didn't actually feel like that was Robin's real test and that she had joined truly earlier. (The chapter where she declares "I WANT TO LIVE!" being the specific turning point where she agrees to join) Or he felt like "The third, sixth and seventh" was too much. Or that it would draw attentiont o the lack Chopper's.
Oda is a writer and an artist. He doesn't go by a strict mathematical formula when planning things. Same as anyone hinging ont he devil fruit number theory or whatever else.
Also, Zoro has had "the first person" and a Straw Hat Pirates- Pirate Hunter Zoro" chapter, and no one else has yet shown signs of getting a secondary titling chapter… and Thriller bark was almost 8 years ago now. Or that chapter titles use a different numbering system than the color spreads do.
The story ISN'T a math formula.
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Being able to change your mind when presented with new facts or ideas, or when old ones are discredited, is a key factor in anyone taking you seriously and having a discussion.
Science does this all the time. New evidence comes along, a scientist goes "oh, well, that seems right", and then they discard their old theory and never bring it up again now that they have a better picture of the world.
Its one of the reasons political threads are so toxic, people are completely dead set in their beliefs and there's no changing them, no matter what is presented to you.
But as a personal example, over the last several months I've taken a much lighter standing on Hillary Clinton as I've become more educated about what she actually has and hasn't done, and have become more negative towards Sanders as I've learned more about his record and what he has done. Neither of them have changed, but I have become more educated on the matter. A few years ago I thought "All Republicans are stupid idiots" but now i've ammended that to "I'm not smarter than literally half the population, its that the republicans at the highest rungs of power that are catering to the lowest denominator of their base that are nuts, but the average citizen is fine mostly."If you're just making a dogmatic personal fanfiction of the world, with no room for being further educated or possibly changing your mind, then there's no reason to talk to you or take you seriously. That makes you a conspiracy theorist at best, or an obnoxious troll at the worst.
@Monkey King
16 char of Wanna bet?The only appropriate bet in this case is "If he doesn't join by the end of the arc, I will leave Arlong Park." The same bet AGOG made about Perona.
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He's had plenty of romance since, going as far back as Usopp and Kaya. And for more recent examples Rogue and Roger, or Leo and Wicca, or Baby 5 and Sai, not to mention all the stuff with Hancock, or how Sanji constantly acts. Romance, love, and even marriage are a part of life and the world, and Oda isn't going to wholecloth ignore those things.
luffy never shared hancock's afflictions, sanji acts like that because that's his gag (and apparently it's shared by his brother), and the others are side characters, none of them were ongoing. oda never actually gave a main character a love interest that stayed with them for the journey.
and i imagine it's gonna be difficult to "dragon ball" the relationship into the background, because sanj is a very… emotional character.
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How exactly did ninja get bumped up the list from amusing crackpot idea to possibilty?
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How exactly did ninja get bumped up the list from amusing crackpot idea to possibilty?
Well I could say the reveal of Raizou may have something to do with that….
...buuuutwe allmost of us know its more of repeat posting of someone's favorite fanfiction. -
luffy never shared hancock's afflictions, sanji acts like that because that's his gag (and apparently it's shared by his brother), and the others are side characters, none of them were ongoing. oda never actually gave a main character a love interest that stayed with them for the journey.
and i imagine it's gonna be difficult to "dragon ball" the relationship into the background, because sanj is a very… emotional character.
sorry, i don't think this is gonna happen.But those are still all examples of Oda having romance in the series. It shows the approach he would use, if he were going to have a long term thing.
If she were to join, Oda would ham it up a ton in the first couple chapters till the other cast members got sick of it, and then it would slide more towards recurring gags, the same ration Sanji currently flirts with Nami or Brook asks for panties or Barto fanboyed. Same sort of thing.
But like I said, having them engaged with a promise to meet again would serve most of the same roles, jokes, and changes in Sanji without her actually needing to be present.
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@Monkey King
16 char of Wanna bet?lol, you don't wanna do that in this thread. Trust me.
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How exactly did ninja get bumped up the list from amusing crackpot idea to possibilty?
I feel like I gave that one more ground than it deserved in just engaging it. My bad.
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a hush goes over the crowd
a small voice, it's origin unknown, whispers "death pact"
murmuring begins
murmuring gives way to clamor, clamor gives way to a din, a din gives way to a rush of voices all chanting
someone slams their tankard of ale on the table and yells "DEATH PACT"
a thousand voices respond in kind
DEATH PACT DEATH PACT DEATH PACT
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What about the scenario that Pudding joins and frindzones Sanji just like Nami and Robin?
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that is what im assuming will happen. IF she joins. so far we haven't seen a thing from her, no fighting abilities, doesn't seem like a character with a tragic past considering she looks happy in her current status, and no motivation for an adeventure whatsoever.
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Just wait until pedro's tragic backstory foreshadowed in this chapter.
Ya'll are bias against spotted cats that are musketeers but secretly ninjas.
Pedro triplecross is coming
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What about the scenario that Pudding joins and frindzones Sanji just like Nami and Robin?
What would even be the point then if she has no connection with sanji.
Friendzone isnt real by the way, but im sure you know that and are using it for laughs.Sanji isnt someone who would get rejected politefully and talk shit on the internet about how girls only date jerks and what a nice guy he is lol.
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What would even be the point then if she has no connection with sanji.
Why would she need it?
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that is what im assuming will happen. IF she joins. so far we haven't seen a thing from her, no fighting abilities, doesn't seem like a character with a tragic past considering she looks happy in her current status, and no motivation for an adeventure whatsoever.
YET.We've seen a lot of characters smile in the face of hidden pain. It's still way too early but I feel that she is the best candidate so far. If she has a DF her chances go up a lot IMO
Still a high chance of her being sanji's kaya after they find the one piece
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I think pudding joining would be pointless if she doesn't bring a new interaction with Sanji and we just get another nami and robin. She even has an unneeded job since the crew already has a chef. Honestly, I think the main reason people want Pudding is to give Sanji some new gags and interactions with female characters and some much needed character development. The excessive flirting with every female is rather boring after 800 chapters. Brooke accomplished his gag dream this chapter of seeing Nami's panties, so why not let Sanji accomplish his dream of getting a woman.
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Why would she need it?
It just seems odd if he didnt have any kind of relationship with sanji at all after this whole wedding arc. I mean they could prolong it for later, or keep it really toned down as she becomes his fiance for a long time or something but for them to have barely any connection seems odd to me. I cant see that situation happening at all, I could see them having no connection and she is just a small ally but if she joins she will have a tight relationship be it love related or non love related
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The only appropriate bet in this case is "If he doesn't join by the end of the arc, I will leave Arlong Park." The same bet AGOG made about Perona.
Why that bet? If I win, I would want to rub it in his face and I can't if he took the same bet against. Remind me…what would AGOG have "won" if Perona was a Strawhat?
Hmm...I wouldn't agree to the end of the Tea Party arc. Maybe end of Wano arc. But not that bet. Something more creative.
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Why that bet? If I win, I would want to rub it in his face and I can't if he took the same bet against. Remind me…what would AGOG have "won" if Perona was a Strawhat?
Perpetual bragging rights in the forum and the dismissal of someone people have a problem with all in one fell swoop.
Hmm…I wouldn't agree to the end of the Tea Party arc. Maybe end of Wano arc. But not that bet. Something more creative.
Because you want to be able to delay it for three, up to four years?
If she's not on the boat at the end of Tea Party there's no chance. If she is, there's some.
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Wasn't him talking about Pedro?
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Wasn't him talking about Pedro?
Oh right.
For a moment there, upon being presented with a character that actually vaugley fits narratively, I forgot the complete lunacy of wanting a total non character.
We're not putting up with this "Pedro for nakama" bullshit for three years. Its just not happening.
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How exactly did ninja get bumped up the list from amusing crackpot idea to possibilty?
Why is it a crackpot idea? Amusing I'm okay with.
@Katzztar:Well I could say the reveal of Raizou may have something to do with that….
...buuuutwe allmost of us know its more of repeat posting of someone's favorite fanfiction.Aww…so that's how it is? Fanfiction, huh? I understand disagreeing. That term though is getting thrown around a lot more now.
@Monkey:lol, you don't wanna do that in this thread. Trust me.
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I feel like I gave that one more ground than it deserved in just engaging it. My bad.Why not? Have you won a bet here?
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Why that bet? If I win, I would want to rub it in his face and I can't if he took the same bet against. Remind me…what would AGOG have "won" if Perona was a Strawhat?
Hmm...I wouldn't agree to the end of the Tea Party arc. Maybe end of Wano arc. But not that bet. Something more creative.
You're seriously considering this.
Even with the AGOG gibbet cage at the gates.
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Why not? Have you won a bet here?
loll, AGOG was betting against ME.
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But those are still all examples of Oda having romance in the series. It shows the approach he would use, if he were going to have a long term thing.
If she were to join, Oda would ham it up a ton in the first couple chapters till the other cast members got sick of it, and then it would slide more towards recurring gags, the same ration Sanji currently flirts with Nami or Brook asks for panties or Barto fanboyed. Same sort of thing.
But like I said, having them engaged with a promise to meet again would serve most of the same roles, jokes, and changes in Sanji without her actually needing to be present.
I feel like it is too early to be making a judgment on what Oda's plans are for Pudding, if she has the requisite tragic backstory which informs the unfulfilled dream each of the Strawhat's have, as well as unique quirks/gags and fighting style then she will very much be the 'Next Nakama'. Although I do concede that as of this chapter your speculations are accurate, especially the fact that Pudding has been planed for years before her proper introduction.
As an aside, I think the most important aspect each of the SH's have is that of the unresolved dream, essentially they all have a goal that is so impossible seeming, they will not be able to resolve it through any other means in the world of One Piece other than to be a pirate, specifically a pirate under Luffy. This should be the first criteria people should assess when a new character is introduced, what is that character's motivation and why would being a member of the SHs be a good choice for them. While Rebeca was a misfit with a tragic backstory, her goal was always centered around living with her dad, which had very little to do with being a pirate. I believe this would make this topic thread far less odious.
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It's too early to know Oda's plans, sure, but Pudding's actual introduction is pretty standard "female sidekick of the arc."
That early intro and the three eyes gives her greater importance, but the overall design is pretty plain and while its a charming introduction, it's not a wowing one and is very, VERY similar to Caimie. (Only not as interesting as being spit out of a fish) The personalities and goals are almost identical in fact, she's a very typical Oda woman.
Really, if she didn't have the third eye (which she's hiding!) she'd really have nothing at all.
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im lolling that
1. The ridiculous AGOG thing might repeat.
2. It's been brought about by someone else to begin with.is this real life
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I had hope for Pedro, but so far, he lacks more personality than a piece of card board.
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I had hope for Pedro, but so far, he lacks more personality than a piece of card board.
hosemisnuba stares into the dead sockets of AGOG's years old skeleton as it sways in the wind
Hose: Bearious…I'm not so sure this is the right direction...
Bearious: What??? Are you crazy? This is the most correct way there ever was!
Hose: N-no, no man, I can't keep doing this. I'm out.hose backs away slowly then breaks into a full sprint, vanishing around the corner
Bearious: FINE! We don't need you, we don't need any cowards on the Night's Watch!! -
It's too early to know Oda's plans, sure, but Pudding's actual introduction is pretty standard "female sidekick of the arc."
That early intro and the three eyes gives her greater importance, but the overall design is pretty plain and while its a charming introduction, it's not a wowing one and is very, VERY similar to Caimie. (Only not as interesting as being spit out of a fish) The personalities and goals are almost identical in fact, she's a very typical Oda woman.
Really, if she didn't have the third eye (which she's hiding!) she'd really have nothing at all.
Pudding even got her own Pappug in the form of that slime thing (as in the side-kick who appears to be her boss at work since he owns the Café). I'm just waiting for that carpet to pick some swords and it's done.
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Perpetual bragging rights in the forum and the dismissal of someone people have a problem with all in one fell swoop.
Because you want to be able to delay it for three, up to four years?
If she's not on the boat at the end of Tea Party there's no chance. If she is, there's some.
Wasn't him talking about Pedro?
Oh right.
For a moment there, upon being presented with a character that actually vaugley fits narratively, I forgot the complete lunacy of wanting a total non character.
We're not putting up with this "Pedro for nakama" bullshit for three years. Its just not happening.
Part of my argument is the basis that Pedro is a NINJA. Do you understand what a ninja is? I'm honestly asking.
Do you even like Pedro? You keep spouting negative things about an Oda created character. I've read plenty of people who DISAGREE with me about Pedro but for the most part they don't try to tear him down.
Example of non haters: Pedro is badass but hasn't really said much on the Sunny, not as unique looking as Nekomamushi. No tragic past. Looks too much like Sanji Minkmen. Acts too similar to Zoro and Jinbe with honor. No known connection to Big Mom besides Pekoms. I prefer Pekoms. He is unique Lion Minkmen with a turtle zoan. We haven't even seen ONE Minkmen with DF powers! Carrot is kawaii!!!
Example of haters: Bland. Background character.Tertiary. Unimportant. Leopard. Fanfiction. Or just plain attack the poster for the notion.
And I know what reward I would want IF I had to bet my account. If I won the bet, I would want ninja stars instead of the other color stars. Bragging rights included. I wouldn't even bring up Pedro during the wait therefore you won't have to deal with it.