I dunno, this seems like something that could inspire a fantasy writer:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/the-everlasting-lightning-storm-of-venezuela/
Especially one who's known to adopt real-world rare and exceptional weather phenomena.
The real thing doesn't look like the OP island, imagine a lightning storm that just goes on and on, and where lightning storms happened wayyy more often.
It doesn't actually look or behave anything like the video game thing in OP.
@Monkey:
The real thing doesn't look like the OP island, imagine a lightning storm that just goes on and on, and where lightning storms happened wayyy more often.
It doesn't actually look or behave anything like the video game thing in OP.
Not only does lightening storms don't last forever, massive storms that cover an entire island don't stay in one location. (and are often called hurricanes:ninja:)
I'm not talking about the regions on a continent that get frequent lightening storms due to geography (yes I know there is a place in S.America like that due to super moist air of the Amazon from the north meeting the super cold air from the south pole that clash and create big storms with major lightening). We are talking about an island. And in real world a storm big enough to cover an island moves and doesn't stay above it.
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Mangrooves exist in the real world. Taking that to another kind of plant, and boom, you have carnivore plants islands.
Yes but they do not create the island that people live on. Nor are the trees so big that their roots stretch down thousands of feet to the ocean floor. And there is no a giant plant that is big enough to be an island on itself as the stomach baron that is the plant that creates the Boin Archipelago .
There's a place in my country where Lighting strikes every day, and lighting is part of weather.
And Apoo's misterious road.. Is misterious, I have no clue on what that was about. Invisible ground is the only thing that I can think of.
But a place that is always under the sun, without being tidal locked with the sun, or near the poles, or rotating like Uranus, or having a giant weird space object redirecting light to it.
After the whole chapter explanation on sky islands that is summed up with "seastone did it", and the explanation of the resin that forms the coating of fishman island, do you think that the sun of eines loby is just "Misterious daylight"?
On lightening, please see my comment to MK above.
Yes, its a mysterious daylight. Seriously. That is the definition of mystery = something not known, it is unexplained.
It is a mystery because we do not what causes it, just like we don't know what interrupts the ocean create that giant hole and waterfall. I find it funny people stick to the eternal daylight but make no mention of the fact there is a giant freakin hole in the ocean and that the island hangs over the side of the water fall in a impossible way.
I mean seriously, take a look at its geography-
You want to bring reality in? Fine here's your reality= If there was another celestial body that created the eternal daylight then it would affect the entire world not just one single island!
Something IS causing the eternal light alright but it is not a celestial body, its the bizarre and reality-defying phenomena of the Grand Line.
Oda does draw influences form the real world but he inflates it, twists it out of proportions and sometimes there is no real world equivalent , like Enies Lobby.
@Monkey:
The real thing doesn't look like the OP island, imagine a lightning storm that just goes on and on, and where lightning storms happened wayyy more often.
It doesn't actually look or behave anything like the video game thing in OP.
What do you mean by "video game thing"?
And as I said, Oda makes exaggerations. I'm talking about the concept.
What do you mean by "video game thing"?
And as I said, Oda makes exaggerations. I'm talking about the concept.
Here's what I think he means (and MK, correct me if I'm wrong). Imagine if One Piece was an RPG, the player characters would take lightning damage each turn/action/move without a spell or an item to protect them (in this case an umbrella). The island is more inspired from that than the some island in Venezuela (where the lightining actually does stop here and there, and one aren't prevented from entering or leaving it).
What do you mean by "video game thing"?
And as I said, Oda makes exaggerations. I'm talking about the concept.
The concept isn't the same concept as the place in Venezuela.
It's a place prone to having lots of lightning storms….what does that have to do with a literal constant rain of lightning that makes a place practically inaccessible.
It's video gameish because that's like something out of a video game, a constant bunch of some hazardous phenomena. Like endless fireballs jumping up at a certain location.
Here's what I think he means (and MK, correct me if I'm wrong). Imagine if One Piece was an RPG, the player characters would take lightning damage each turn/action/move without a spell or an item to protect them (in this case an umbrella). The island is more inspired from that than the some island in Venezuela (where the lightining actually does stop here and there, and one aren't prevented from entering or leaving it).
To me it just seems like an island that literally rains lightning, hence the umbrella (which I found funny), maybe that's where our differences lie. Being inspired by something doesn't mean you need to copy it exactly. From that place in Venezuela to Raijin island, you really only need to elevate the severity of the weather (which is already pretty severe) to abnormal levels, and we don't actually know if it ever stops raining in Raijin island (although it wouldn't matter anyway).
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@Monkey:
The concept isn't the same concept as the place in Venezuela.
It's a place prone to having lots of lightning storms….what does that have to do with a literal constant rain of lightning that makes a place practically inaccessible.
It's video gameish because that's like something out of a video game, a constant bunch of some hazardous phenomena. Like endless fireballs jumping up at a certain location.
You're dissecting the phenomena to its scientific details; that's not how inspiration works. You really just need to look at the pictures. I don't even know how you can argue about inspiration.
I've got a mini, not really fleshed out theory on the eternal sunlight of Enies Lobby.
What if the weird magnetic field influenced climate of the islands causes a weird congregation of super dense air in the atmosphere directly above the islands? In a way that causes sunlight to always be refracted to the island even when it's on the other side of the world.
If we think about it too deeply, it's probably impossible, but a general idea is usually all an island needs to have weird climatic phenomenon happening on it.
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There are a couple key differences between a geocentric model and the one in Ohara:
First, but less importantly, as maxdexter explained, the fact that the various orbits don't share a plane.
Secondly, look at the geocentric model you linked. Notice how each object is on a short arm hanging from the long arm from the Earth? That's because, if you view the Earth as unmoving, and everything as orbiting the Earth, during a certain point in the orbital cycle, objects appear to move backwards along their orbits (like this). This is easily observed, and has been known since at least the days of ancient Greece. However, if you look at the model Oda drew, the bodies are attached directly to the hoops describing their orbits.
The model being of a world and its moons would solve both of these problems.
You're dissecting the phenomena to its scientific details; that's not how inspiration works. You really just need to look at the pictures. I don't even know how you can argue about inspiration.
You're probably thinking of this photo, which is not actually a photo (it's 70 in sequence photos phased together), nor is from that place in Venezuela.
This actually came up before on the forum except about that location in Greece, with the same photo, and the mentioning of it being a composite shot of 70 or so separate bolts of lightning.
I watched some videos of Catatumbo, it's like being in a normal lightning storm. Except I guess there's lots and lots and lots of lightning storms there. Did you seriously think it actually looked like the time lapse photo?? Really??
So for your idea to work, Oda would have to be inspired by a fake photo.
There are a couple key differences between a geocentric model and the one in Ohara:
First, but less importantly, as maxdexter explained, the fact that the various orbits don't share a plane.
Secondly, look at the geocentric model you linked. Notice how each object is on a short arm hanging from the long arm from the Earth? That's because, if you view the Earth as unmoving, and everything as orbiting the Earth, during a certain point in the orbital cycle, objects appear to move backwards along their orbits (like this). This is easily observed, and has been known since at least the days of ancient Greece. However, if you look at the model Oda drew, the bodies are attached directly to the hoops describing their orbits.
The model being of a world and its moons would solve both of these problems.
Again if there were many moons, why is it affecting only Enies Lobby and not the entire world? All the Blues would be affected:
IF we think that that model those historians (note they were historians not astronomers) was accurate, which you and others are arguing for by bringing up "the various orbits don't share a plane", then the other moons are big enough and close enough to be seen. As such people in the blue seas would also be affected.
But they are not. They see only one moon in the sky not, 2 or 3 ect.
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Okay, I've gone and doing some surfing on what realistic affects would be if there was a 2 moon planet (yes there really are some scientific articles on if Earth had a 2nd moon) One article has gotten me thinking, according to the article, the two moons would eventually crash into each other, the planet would be changed and life would have start over.
Note I really do not think this happened but its an mental exercise in 'what if' and trying to find a medium of those that want a multiple moon system and those of the idea of single moon, and the oddity of the OP's world. Not just the Grand line, but why isn't there any continents beyond the Red Line (which has been described as a 'bunch of islands meshed together') but tons of islands, why hasn't plate tectonics smashed those islands together to make continents?
In my mental exercise of blending real world science and One Piece fantasy, it unexpectedly lead to territory that made me want move it to dumb predictions thread. I remembered that space travel is a reality in OP, though not really known (or seems to) to the peoples of the world. Enel did encounter space pirates who had a space ship.
Again I really do not think this happened, but hey I do admit mental exercises on pondering "what if" are fun.
Take a scoop of science reality, a pound of science fiction, blend in a cocktail of fantasy, top with wild speculation to get this=
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What if there once were a 2nd moon (maybe more that were actually small asteroids caught by true moons' gravity but close enough that they were seen with naked eye) to the OP world. In the far distant past, farther than the Void Century (which was mere 900 yrs ago) like billions years ago? a civilization too that tried to make sense of the odd moons phases. With 2 or more moons they wouldn't have an established moon phases . Writings either the odd moon phases or the Moon(s) catching the extra 'secondary moons' could be what inspired the planetary model the Oharans had.
The gravitational forces of these multiple moons caused massive tides that not only make living on the shore line impossible as it causes massive erosion and flooding.
When several of the moons collided, many people had already have escaped some time ago in space ships (hey if Star Trek can have people escape a planet whose star is going supernova then fantasy can deal with this! remember the sci-fi part I mentioned?
). The debris rains down not only causing more flooding but fires and other such calamites that alter the face of the world. The world is changed in both climate and geography. Continents are long gone, only islands remain. Save for the massive ridge of land that encircles the world from top to bottom. And now there is only one moon left. (remember the dash of sci-fi and fantasy here and the unrealism is explained away)
Eventually things settle down and people can return, and since this is has a dash of Sci-Fi, they had plants and animals on their space ships (because good sci-fi stories having people escaping end of the world has that in them) to help 'terra-form' the world … that is help re-establish life on the world. They help shape the world. They also have some drawings of the old system that had mentions of multiple moons.
Ages pass by, languages change, civilizations come and go. Oharan historians discover fragments of these drawings but can't read the ancient (so old the so-called Ancient Kingdom mentioned during the Void century seems like young) and remember they are historians not astronomers. Their interest is the history of the drawings and what the images looked like not its scientific accuracy (well by the day's standards that they know of) so they tried to make a model based on the drawings.
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"They help shape the world."? Recreate the world? They (claim) created the world?
Why the hell did my fantasy lead me to the old theory of Tenryubito being from space ?? A theory I never have bought before????
And now you see why I say I wanted to copy and paste this in dumb predictions!
Ah hell I'm gonna do so anyway ... after altering it up some. Like saying the world before had space tech, and two forces fought it out and destroyed the extra moons in the process. ... actually it was use one of the ancient weapons.
And it wasn't billions of years but much closer. These two forces resettled the world, one side became the ancient kingdom while the other side had splintered off with 20 generals claiming their own islands as separate but allied kingdoms.
But some sea monsters still existed though are now even larger due to radiation from the blasted moon bits destroyed by the ancient weapon and now are sea kings.
This radiation is also reason for many odd things on the grand line. Though why its concentrated on the equator and not spread out over the globe is a mystery.
The world shattering rivalry lived on until the Void Century when the 20 allied kingdoms finally destroyed their rival. This is why anything dealing with the Void Century is forbidden to be researched. The truth is that the Void Century wasn't a war unto itself but the last battles of a many-century long rivalry. Also it had battle that had two ancient weapons (3rd, mermaid named Poseidon, arose during the Void century) that destroyed several moons.
The WG really doesn't want a repeat of that one war that was worse than the Void Century's battles.
After all there is only one moon left!
Reminder!!= This was made with a scoop of science reality, a pound of science fiction, blend in a cocktail of fantasy, top with wild speculation.
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@Monkey:
You're probably thinking of this photo, which is not actually a photo (it's 70 in sequence photos phased together), nor is from that place in Venezuela.
This actually came up before on the forum except about that location in Greece, with the same photo, and the mentioning of it being a composite shot of 70 or so separate bolts of lightning.I watched some videos of Catatumbo, it's like being in a normal lightning storm. Except I guess there's lots and lots and lots of lightning storms there. Did you seriously think it actually looked like the time lapse photo?? Really??
So for your idea to work, Oda would have to be inspired by a fake photo.
So, even though I wasn't trying to argue with you, and worded my posts carefully to convey that I'm just throwing a suggestion (which clearly went over your head), your main argument is: "it doesn't look like it to me". Well… ok?
As I said:
I'm not saying it has to be true, since we need official confirmation for stuff like that, I'm saying that it doesn't have to not be true, and wouldn't be surprised if it were. and since someone can't actually prove that it's not the case without official confirmation, I don't see why you're even trying to argue with me. If saying this seems weird to you- good, since this wasn't supposed to develop into an argument.
As for the idea of being inspired by something fake, I don't see the problem with it. He's a fantasy writer, not some policy maker in his government or something (even though I wasn't particularly talking about that picture).
@Monkey:
So for your idea to work, Oda would have to be inspired by a fake photo.
Not even mentioning how that photo was created long after Raijin island had already been shown pre-timeskip, and even after being named post-timeskip.
Again if there were many moons, why is it affecting only Enies Lobby and not the entire world?
I was initially confused by this question, until I realized maxdexter made another post after the one I was referring to. The issue I was referring to has nothing to do with Enies Lobby, it has to do with the fact that the 'planets' all have their orbits in different planes. I have no idea what the explanation for Enies Lobby is.
IF we think that that model those historians (note they were historians not astronomers) was accurate, which you and others are arguing for by bringing up "the various orbits don't share a plane", then the other moons are big enough and close enough to be seen.
Physical models virtually never have the orbits accurate in terms of size: if one were to make one to scale with the Earth 1" in radius, the Moon would be around .25" in radius, and the Earth and Moon would be nearly 5' apart. The point of the models is to show the various bodies and the shape of the system (ie how the other bodies move relative to the planet of interest), not to accurately recreate distances.
But they are not. They see only one moon in the sky not, 2 or 3 ect.
That doesn't mean very much: we rarely have views of the full sky, and different moons could rise and set at different times. Further, some of them could not be easily visible from the surface.
Okay, I've gone and doing some surfing on what realistic affects would be if there was a 2 moon planet
There are planets with 2 or more moons. In fact, Earth is the only planet in the Solar System to have one and only one moon. Mars, for example, has two moons.
One article has gotten me thinking, according to the article, the two moons would eventually crash into each other
That depends on the masses of the bodies and their orbital characteristics.
So, even though I wasn't trying to argue with you, and worded my posts carefully to convey that I'm just throwing a suggestion (which clearly went over your head), your main argument is: "it doesn't look like it to me". Well… ok?
Congratulations on not reading either the link or my post. That's a daring technique to use in debate.
@Monkey:
If Oda uses a Dragon devil fruit, it'll be an actual like fantasy Europe looking dragon (Momo already has the East Asian dragon design after all). Not a strange painting based on strange parts of the New Testament.
Momo had an imitation fruit, so Kaidou could conceivably also be a Shenron style dragon, especially since Oda showcased more European dragons on Punk Hazard. Kaidou certainly has the whiskers and hair for it.
It just occured to me that the Strawhat versus Blackbeard battles could last nearly 50 chapters. I'm not sure whether I should be excited or scared based on what happened in Enies Lobby…..
EDIT: By scared, I mean worried about quality.
It'll be much longer than that. Final battles of the series, showing everything they can do against their ultimate opponents? 11 Strawhats, each getting a minimum of 3 chapters of fighting, (minimum), going all out with displays that have to top everything in the series thus far, show off most of their techniques again one last time, and be super impressive 2 page spreads like crazy? Zoro vs. Mihawk and/or Shiryu is going to be on the table there. And the Luffy/Blackbeard fight almost certainly going for several rounds and being much longer than all the others? While the great war goes on in the background and we deal with the corrupt marines and we have ancient weapons in play and Enel returns with his robot army and Oda gives shout outs to every single character ever in the course of the series?
That final set of battles is going to be way bigger and longer than that. I'd be amazed if the finale is done in less than three years.
@Monkey:
That doesn't mean very much: we rarely have views of the full sky, and different moons could rise and set at different times. Further, some of them could not be easily visible from the surface.
Their planet only has one moon. If there were two Oda would have showcased that unique visual long before now. He's made huge centerpieces about the full moon multiple times, and will be timing out Zou to match it. They've only got the one.
It'll be much longer than that. Final battles of the series, showing everything they can do against their ultimate opponents? 11 Strawhats, each getting a minimum of 3 chapters of fighting, (minimum), going all out with displays that have to top everything in the series thus far, show off most of their techniques again one last time, and be super impressive 2 page spreads like crazy? Zoro vs. Mihawk and/or Shiryu is going to be on the table there. And the Luffy/Blackbeard fight almost certainly going for several rounds and being much longer than all the others? While the great war goes on in the background and we deal with the corrupt marines and we have ancient weapons in play and Enel returns with his robot army and Oda gives shout outs to every single character ever in the course of the series?
That final set of battles is going to be way bigger and longer than that. I'd be amazed if the finale is done in less than three years.
I know, I was more referring to the minimum when I said 50 (3 x 9 (other Strawhats versus other Blackbeards), 5 x 1 (Zoro vs Shiryuu), 15 x 1 (I'm referring to the inevitable final battle for this one, not all the preceding skirmishes– Luffy vs Blackbeard)= 47 Chapters). My main concern with this massive slew of battles is that it may just turn out like Enies Lobby, a thought which hadn't cross my mind until very recently. Up until this point, I honestly felt the final Strawhat-Blackbeard battles were the most-hype things to look forward to in the entire manga, but now I'm not so sure.
Final battles should be a little bit more drama charged. Enies Lobby was just battles. Final war will have a lot more on the line and be everyone's final showings. It should work better than EL did. MAybe not on a weekly basis, but… at that point knowing we're in the home stretch will probably add weight to everything.
My ideal type of Final Battles would be one-on-one fights, but I fear that kind of finale is unlikely.
^Yeah one-on-one for like the last 5 fights of the show? I'd like to see Luffy and Zoro team up against someone though.
Tamiel -
My ideal type of Final Battles would be one-on-one fights, but I fear that kind of finale is unlikely.
With the Straw Hats and the Black Beards I think that is highly likely.
And it will happen.
Given how hyped up Kaido's strength has been recently I wonder if Luffy won't be able to surpass him, and that Kaido's defeat will happen only because of the massive armada the Straw Hats build tag-teaming and overwhelming him. Perhaps Luffy will not truly be on a Yonko's level until he defeats Blackbeard at the end of the series.
Maybe the finale will finally be the time for Robin's fight
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Maybe the finale will finally be the time for Robin's fight
We have 11 Blackbeards, and Oda said he wants the Strawhat crew to be 11 people (size of soccer team).
So yeah everyone's getting a final duel.
@Monkey:
We have 11 Blackbeards, and Oda said he wants the Strawhat crew to be 11 people (size of soccer team).
So yeah everyone's getting a final duel.
So you count Stronger as a member? Would be interesting to see that horse fight on its own.
Or do you think Aokiji is actually staying with the crew?
So you count Stronger as a member? Would be interesting to see that horse fight on its own.
You missed something.
The Blackbeard crew is now split into ten divisions lead by the "Ten Terrible Captains". So there's an eleventh person unaccounted for in the main ranks of the crew now.
@Monkey:
You missed something.
The Blackbeard crew is now split into ten divisions lead by the "Ten Terrible Captains". So there's an eleventh person unaccounted for in the main ranks of the crew now.
Oh, that's interesting. Guess I missed the implication behind that.
So there is a popular theory about Shillew becoming the strongest swordman AND getting Jozu's fruit.
So…what does Zoro need to do to take win title ? Once Zoro manages to land a sword on Shilliew's body, he will be a better swordman...but he might not cut through diamond with his first try.
So...after that Zoro still has to learn how to cut diamond but he already surpassed Shilliew as a swordman.
Would be kind of weird. Of course the problem is settled if Zoro manages to surpass and cut Shilliew at the same time. Which could actually happen if he learns how to cut diamond before the fight.
I cannot see 3 years for the final war, thats like 150 chapteres of fighting, 5x the length of marineford. I really hope oda doesnt go into all of the allies getting a chapter and 30 fights in the whole arc, I much rather have quality then the fanfictiony 10 stages of battles theories i have read by overzealous theorists
So there is a popular theory about Shillew becoming the strongest swordman AND getting Jozu's fruit.
So…what does Zoro need to do to take win title ? Once Zoro manages to land a sword on Shilliew's body, he will be a better swordman...but he might not cut through diamond with his first try.
So...after that Zoro still has to learn how to cut diamond but he already surpassed Shilliew as a swordman.
He might be better than him in sword skills, even stronger, but it won't really mean much to the world unless he beats him. Also, if Mihawk fails to cut Shiryuu but Zoro does, there will be absolutely no doubt.
Of course the problem is settled if Zoro manages to surpass and cut Shilliew at the same time. Which could actually happen if he learns how to cut diamond before the fight.
Remember Mr 1? I imagine it'd go down somewhat like that, probably not an exact replica but something along the lines of.
So there is a popular theory about Shillew becoming the strongest swordman AND getting Jozu's fruit.
So…what does Zoro need to do to take win title ? Once Zoro manages to land a sword on Shilliew's body, he will be a better swordman...but he might not cut through diamond with his first try.
Not really. He would maybe be more technically skilled at cutting or something, but if he can't actually win the fight his ability to cut diamond wouldn't make him superior. And you need to beat the other guy for the title.
At above, wouldn't Haki just bypass the diamond? It makes absolutely no sense that a diamond df user would pose a challenge to a haki user.
Anyway, does anyone else find the Blackbeard pirates as amazing as me? I'm rereading the series and am just where their raft is shattered by the water. And i have to say that the BB pirates introduction was amazing. I'm reading it in color this time so i can get lost in the world created by Oda more easily. There is no doubt after rereading it that Zoro/Luffy were talking about the BB pirates when they said "them" because just how much time and emphasis Oda placed not only on the crew itself but each individual member. Their introduction page is also my favorite in the series. But i wanted to point out to some who may have missed it or didn't really think about it but the reason why the BB pirates use a raft as their ship is to show how much they believe in fate. A raft is basically just to float and wherever it takes you is up to a higher power. Even if the BB pirates can obviously use it as normal ship i found this quite interesting.
@The:
At above, wouldn't Haki just bypass the diamond? It makes absolutely no sense that a diamond df user would pose a challenge to a haki user.
Anyway, does anyone else find the Blackbeard pirates as amazing as me? I'm rereading the series and am just where their raft is shattered by the water. And i have to say that the BB pirates introduction was amazing. I'm reading it in color this time so i can get lost in the world created by Oda more easily. There is no doubt after rereading it that Zoro/Luffy were talking about the BB pirates when they said "them" because just how much time and emphasis Oda placed not only on the crew itself but each individual member. Their introduction page is also my favorite in the series. But i wanted to point out to some who may have missed it or didn't really think about it but the reason why the BB pirates use a raft as their ship is to show how much they believe in fate. A raft is basically just to float and wherever it takes you is up to a higher power. Even if the BB pirates can obviously use it as normal ship i found this quite interesting.
Given that you have it fresh, was there any connection that the Strawhats saw between each individual? From what I remember he meets Doc Q and Burguess and after Blackbeard, but all of them individually, were they showing their Jolly roger? What connected each of the Blackbeard piratea together for Luffy and Zoro, not us readers.
@The:
At above, wouldn't Haki just bypass the diamond? It makes absolutely no sense that a diamond df user would pose a challenge to a haki user.
Anyway, does anyone else find the Blackbeard pirates as amazing as me? I'm rereading the series and am just where their raft is shattered by the water. And i have to say that the BB pirates introduction was amazing. I'm reading it in color this time so i can get lost in the world created by Oda more easily. There is no doubt after rereading it that Zoro/Luffy were talking about the BB pirates when they said "them" because just how much time and emphasis Oda placed not only on the crew itself but each individual member. Their introduction page is also my favorite in the series. But i wanted to point out to some who may have missed it or didn't really think about it but the reason why the BB pirates use a raft as their ship is to show how much they believe in fate. A raft is basically just to float and wherever it takes you is up to a higher power. Even if the BB pirates can obviously use it as normal ship i found this quite interesting.
haki defence+hard diamond defence makes it twice as hard to hurt him but the blackbeard pirates can kill jozu easily since blackbeard just needs to touch him to remove his diamond armor add to the fact he only has one arm and ganging up on him and killing him for his fruit is easy..
@Monkey:
Not really. He would maybe be more technically skilled at cutting or something, but if he can't actually win the fight his ability to cut diamond wouldn't make him superior. And you need to beat the other guy for the title.
I totally agree. But what if it is the opposite ? What if Zoro is technically better but doesn't know how to cut diamond at the same time ? He manages to land hit without getting hit himself, while not actually cutting Shilliew.
Can't we say that he would be a better swordman ?
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He might be better than him in sword skills, even stronger, but it won't really mean much to the world unless he beats him. Also, if Mihawk fails to cut Shiryuu but Zoro does, there will be absolutely no doubt.
Remember Mr 1? I imagine it'd go down somewhat like that, probably not an exact replica but something along
the lines of.
It won't mean much to the world but it would to us readers. Mr 1 is the perfect example. For a long part of the fight, Zoro keeps hitting and doesn't get hit. As a martial artist, Zoro was better than Mr 1 from the get go. I don't want the fight against Shilliew to be the same.
@Tamiel:
Given that you have it fresh, was there any connection that the Strawhats saw between each individual? From what I remember he meets Doc Q and Burguess and after Blackbeard, but all of them individually, were they showing their Jolly roger? What connected each of the Blackbeard piratea together for Luffy and Zoro, not us readers.
No, but it is very obvious to the readers. And as a whole there shouldn't be any question who they were talking about. First, from the SH's perspective. One thing that has become clear by this point in the story is that both Luffy and Zoro can tell how strong someone is somehow. Maybe by their presence or whatever. Anyway, Zoro Luffy and Sanji can tell when someone is weak and when someone is strong. Zoro and Luffy both were unusually affected by Doc Q. The whole time even Luffy was sweating. Which is extremely odd even unheard of for just having a conversation. Then immediately after that encounter they heard and saw Jesus Burgess from a distance. Since they didn't interact with him it was less memorable but they did acknowledge him. This was all in the span of a couple hours so when they met BB those two guys were on their mind. Plus when Zoro said them, he also said most likely. Meaning Luffy and him could tell that these guys were very strong and guessed they were together.
From the readers view it is plain as day. The BB pirates have been hyped up for a while up to this point. Each individual member was shown and when they were today it was a huge, memorable moment. The "them" line from zoro was explained when they were all together and introduced as the BB pirates. Another interesting thing i noticed it was around this time Oda started becoming a fan of drawing big characters. He has already said that he draws the important charcters big so they can stand out(not the MCs obviously) and around this time was when he blasted us with huge characters. Flamingo and Kuma looked like giants, so did WB. Up to this point only Crocodile was abnormally and memorably larger than most. Doc Q and Stronger were drawn big, and they stood out. Jesus, Teach and Van Auger did not have their height emphasized until their big introduction so it could make a bigger impact on the reader of how important these guys were. There is actually even a normal sized human there staring at them in awe so that we can clearly see how big these guys are. And like i said, this was right after WB, Kuma and Mingo.
@sanji''s_dad:
haki defence+hard diamond defence makes it twice as hard to hurt him but the blackbeard pirates can kill jozu easily since blackbeard just needs to touch him to remove his diamond armor add to the fact he only has one arm and ganging up on him and killing him for his fruit is easy..
I'm not doubting that BB can't obtain the fruit, i just don't really see the point. It would feel like a cheap gimmick to me because i don't see what the big deal is now that Zoro has haki.
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No, but it is very obvious to the readers. And as a whole there shouldn't be any question who they were talking about. First, from the SH's perspective. One thing that has become clear by this point in the story is that both Luffy and Zoro can tell how strong someone is somehow. Maybe by their presence or whatever. Anyway, Zoro Luffy and Sanji can tell when someone is weak and when someone is strong. Zoro and Luffy both were unusually affected by Doc Q. The whole time even Luffy was sweating. Which is extremely odd even unheard of for just having a conversation. Then immediately after that encounter they heard and saw Jesus Burgess from a distance. Since they didn't interact with him it was less memorable but they did acknowledge him. This was all in the span of a couple hours so when they met BB those two guys were on their mind. Plus when Zoro said them, he also said most likely. Meaning Luffy and him could tell that these guys were very strong and guessed they were together.
From the readers view it is plain as day. The BB pirates have been hyped up for a while up to this point. Each individual member was shown and when they were today it was a huge, memorable moment. The "them" line from zoro was explained when they were all together and introduced as the BB pirates. Another interesting thing i noticed it was around this time Oda started becoming a fan of drawing big characters. He has already said that he draws the important charcters big so they can stand out(not the MCs obviously) and around this time was when he blasted us with huge characters. Flamingo and Kuma looked like giants, so did WB. Up to this point only Crocodile was abnormally and memorably larger than most. Doc Q and Stronger were drawn big, and they stood out. Jesus, Teach and Van Auger did not have their height emphasized until their big introduction so it could make a bigger impact on the reader of how important these guys were. There is actually even a normal sized human there staring at them in awe so that we can clearly see how big these guys are. And like i said, this was right after WB, Kuma and Mingo..
Yeah, when I read it the first time, I took it as the crew as well. i only starting thinking otherwise when I read about BB multiple personalities, mainly because of the Jolly Roger. But it still sounds to me: Zoro and Luffy felt a similar aura between them, and figured they were all together, right? I just figured they could tell they were strong, not ah these guys travel together.
I never took that scene as just Luffy and Zoro acknowledging Doc Q and Jesus as someone who was with Teach. That's the simple/easiest answer sure but a whole page was cryptically dedicated to that exchange and after Marco's words and all this "seeing" and "hearing" of beings I still think it was something super natural, Luffy and Zoro managed to sense.
I've been noticing that Oda has been a bit lighter with Devil Fruits lately. We got an onslaught of them once we entered the New World, with Vergo, Lao G, and Dellinger being the only villains without any. But after Machvise's got revealed, it's been pretty sparse. Corazon had one, Mansherry had one, Jack had one, and Big Mom probably has one. That's 4 new DFs in 80 chapters. Of course it doesn't include the SMILEs, but I'll give those a break because they're all very similar and have a new dynamic. I know, DFs should be common in the New World, but it's good to see Oda broaden his style a bit. You could also say that we've had less new character introductions in the past 80 chapters, but still Oda has introduced some major characters like Inu/Neko, Raizo, and Sanji's siblings all with unique abilities (though Reiju may have a DF). I also like that Oda is giving Zoans more love with Jack, Pekoms, and the Gifters. It was pretty much nonstop Logia in Fishman Island and Punk Hazard while all the DFs introduced in Dressrosa (except the dwarf insect ones) were all Paramecia.
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I've been noticing that Oda has been a bit lighter with Devil Fruits lately. We got an onslaught of them once we entered the New World, with Vergo, Lao G, and Dellinger being the only villains without any. But after Machvise's got revealed, it's been pretty sparse. Corazon had one, Mansherry had one, Jack had one, and Big Mom probably has one. That's 4 new DFs in 80 chapters.
The past 80 chapters have in large part been made up of the long ass combat parts of Dressrosa, which didn't really involve any new characters aside from a few….which you actually mentioned anyway lol (Corazon, Mansherry).
You could also say that we've had less new character introductions in the past 80 chapters, but still Oda has introduced some major characters like Inu/Neko, Raizo, and Sanji's siblings all with unique abilities (though Reiju may have a DF).
50 of the past 80 was the end of Dressrosa, who expects new devil fruits to pour in let alone new characters. Its statistically meaningless.
Zou alone seems unique in this regard, and maybe Wano. But Sanji's siblings probably have devil fruits, including Reiju obviously. And so probably do many of Big Mom's subordinates we've seen flashed by really quickly. And yeah probably Jack and some of his people too as you mentioned…
So really your observation is pretty meaningless.
Different types of minks live on a island since zou is only 1000 years old they must have come from some where else and this island they could even have a tribe of minks without fur.
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@Kaido:
I've been noticing that Oda has been a bit lighter with Devil Fruits lately. We got an onslaught of them once we entered the New World, with Vergo, Lao G, and Dellinger being the only villains without any. But after Machvise's got revealed, it's been pretty sparse. Corazon had one, Mansherry had one, Jack had one, and Big Mom probably has one. That's 4 new DFs in 80 chapters. Of course it doesn't include the SMILEs, but I'll give those a break because they're all very similar and have a new dynamic. I know, DFs should be common in the New World, but it's good to see Oda broaden his style a bit. You could also say that we've had less new character introductions in the past 80 chapters, but still Oda has introduced some major characters like Inu/Neko, Raizo, and Sanji's siblings all with unique abilities (though Reiju may have a DF). I also like that Oda is giving Zoans more love with Jack, Pekoms, and the Gifters. It was pretty much nonstop Logia in Fishman Island and Punk Hazard while all the DFs introduced in Dressrosa (except the dwarf insect ones) were all Paramecia.
I agree with Reiju have a devil fruit most likely a suck or vacuum fruit lol.
@sanji''s_dad:
I agree with Reiju have a devil fruit most likely a suck or vacuum fruit lol.
I think she is a butterfly zoan. The Monarch Burterly seems to be the most common type, and even poisonous. And the name 'Monarch' seems to be fitting with the the Vinesmoke's royalty theme. Yes, my money is on Monarch Butterfly zoan.
I was thinking about the inheritance of the name D. The idea that regardless of blood ties you are united under a name is pretty interesting and what that could mean for their origins. Usually we think of a clan but this could very well be the way of one man. When we stop thinking of the void century as black and white, we can certainly say, that regardless of ideals, there was a world war going on. Even though it seems like one kingdom was against the predecessors of the World Government, with the introduction of the Vinsmocks, we can safely assume that this one kingdom could have been the rulers of an empire the size of a North/West/etc Blue. So in this vicious war fighting for existence there was one man Joy Boy (the guy I name "the first pirate") whom had allied several different factions under him (minks, fishmen, samurai, even some nations) fighting to end this war, or to help future generations stop this from ever happening again(poneglyphs).
If we take a step further, what could that mean for Blackbeard. When he was informed of the will, did he hate it? did he want freedom away from this imposed name(*points at image of BB crying as a kid)?
I am not sure which translation I read, but does Law have two important names? D. and Water?
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I'm not sure Black Beard is really aware of the will of D. At the very least 2 years ago when White Beard was giving Teach a talking to about him not being the one Roger is waiting for, Teach seemed to have no idea what he was talking about.
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I'm not sure Black Beard is really aware of the will of D. At the very least 2 years ago when White Beard was giving Teach a talking to about him not being the one Roger is waiting for, Teach seemed to have no idea what he was talking about.
True, it could also mean that Blackbeard interpretation of the will wasn't what Roger was hoping for.
@Tamiel:
I am not sure which translation I read, but does Law have two important names? D. and Water?
Water is part of his full name. It's not really important or anything (as far as we know). Just to sneak in another reference to Napoleon's defeat.
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People have 4 names in their full names in some parts of the world you know.
@Bond:
Water is part of his full name. It's not really important or anything (as far as we know). Just to sneak in another reference to Napoleon's defeat.
People have 4 names in their full names in some parts of the world you know.
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/Chapter-763?id=251204#17
It says D. Is a hidden name and Water is a taboo name. Anyone with a Viz translation, this is from powermanga.
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@Tamiel:
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/Chapter-763?id=251204#17
It says D. Is a hidden name and Water is a taboo name. Anyone with a Viz translation, this is from powermanga.
A taboo name is just the person's real full name that they don't reveal to other people in public life. It's a common enough occurrence in east Asian cultures that Oda just assumed everyone would understand without going into detail about what a taboo name is.
I don't have one myself, but based on the scene where it happens, it's apparently a thing in Japan where kids share their taboo names with each other as a sign of friendship or trust in each other.
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@Bond:
A taboo name is just the person's real full name that they don't reveal to other people in public life. It's a common enough occurrence in east Asian cultures that Oda just assumed everyone would understand without going into detail about what a taboo name is.
I don't have one myself, but based on the scene where it happens, it's apparently a thing in Japan where kids share their taboo names with each other as a sign of friendship or trust in each other.
And why is one's name taboo? From my quick search ot seemed to be reserved for emperors and to avoid disrespect. Why is Law's name a taboo?
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