I don't see how any character could have defended against that Elephant's trunk. It's like having an entire island smashing into you with insurmountable force.
Give Jack a break.
I don't see how any character could have defended against that Elephant's trunk. It's like having an entire island smashing into you with insurmountable force.
Give Jack a break.
But Zunisha is not using telepathy. He is using his voice, hence Neko that can hear him crying or the princess listening to the sea kings normally. The voice merely make sure you understand. So Luffy should had the very least hear whispers.
So you think Zunisha mumbles while walking? Because he can makes himself clear when he wants has proven by this chapter so he wasn't trying to communicate before. But if he is mumbling why would it get stronger by going up the whale.Simpler solution is Momo can understand both the stone and Zunisha while Luffy only understand Zunisha.
Why can't he make crying noses and think at the same time?
It all depends what hearing the voice entails. Is it like telepathy or is it more like decyphering the meaning behind the animal's sounds?
I'm more inclined to believe it's something like telepathy. Considering the previous situation where Luffy "heard" Sea Kings underwater.
This was just a warning, Jack, next time he'll be coating that trunk in CoA. :ninja:
Zunisha is using telepathy since he can send images into Momo’s head.What i think Moo and Luffy hear are his thoughts and that is why Momo is always hearing noise. Our mind is always thinking something
it could be doing both talking and telepathy
Now I'm imagining Lucky Roo fighting Jack when Shanks stop Kaidou.
Anyone else thinking that Jack isn't top dog on Kaido's crew now?
I'm guessing Drake is the man to beat. I'd certainly prefer him to take on Zoro anywa.
@uniaka:
Drake looks like a good guy, and he has a past with Law and Dofla. He can turn agains't Kaidou in the end.
I think Law vs X Drake is going to happen because of their history. Maybe X Drake bears a grudge against Law? Law needs an opponent on Wano that holds some weight. The Calamities should go to the Strawhats.
Luffy vs Kaido
Luffy vs Jack; if Jack comes back (hey I rhymed!..new epithet "Comeback" Jack)
Zoro vs Shogun
Sanji vs Calamity (some ancient or mythical animal zoan one could eat)
Jinbe vs Calamity
Law vs X Drake
Luffy wont solo kaido, also i think drake will end up betraying kaido.
I get a feeling even Momo would play a role in Kaidou s defeat. The new dragon that replaces the old dragon something.
@uniaka:
I get a feeling even Momo would play a role in Kaidou s defeat. The new dragon that replaces the old dragon something.
Also Moriah will end up playing a part definitely.
I think the Zou vs. Jack fight would have worked just as well if both parties had used their genitals.
Also Moriah will end up playing a part definitely.
Yeah but considering the last time we say Moriah he wasn't all that strong ntm his work ethic is pretty terrible and he has been a pirate for a long time so I don't think he would get all that much better meaning he would be involved in a lower fight or or he will be further the plot somehow while they are on Wano
Yeah but considering the last time we say Moriah he wasn't all that strong ntm his work ethic is pretty terrible and he has been a pirate for a long time so I don't think he would get all that much better meaning he would be involved in a lower fight or or he will be further the plot somehow while they are on Wano
The return of Nigtmare Luffy? :ninja:
Just imagine the monstrosity that'll be created if it'll be combined with G4.
Poor Moria, reduced to support.
Shouldn't have picked "fill".
Yeah but considering the last time we say Moriah he wasn't all that strong ntm his work ethic is pretty terrible and he has been a pirate for a long time so I don't think he would get all that much better meaning he would be involved in a lower fight or or he will be further the plot somehow while they are on Wano
Nah, he was in a decades long slump cause of kaido but after marineford i think he spent the last 2 years getting in shape and doing something with his life, its a theme with defeated villains afterall. You will see fit moriah do a tagteam wrestling move with his shadow on one of them calamity punks :ninja:
I think that the tirger on the spread is Also, I mistook him with Pedro too then I noticed Zoros sword the left eye hidden and Zoro is often portrayed as a tiger, isn't it zoro ?
I don't think Jack is done for at all. Even if it seems unlikely for a DF user to survive after all his ships have been wrecked, Oda will have someone save him, or maybe he will just cling to some piece of the ship or stuff like that. The crew needs to go to Sanji so they can't waste too much time on Jack, who would definitely deserve a few chapters after his buildup. Having him lose to Zunisha is a good choice. Jack still gets his ass kicked but since he basically got beaten by an entire island none of his foreshadowed strength in a one on one fight is lost. He only showed poor poor judgment So I think he'll show up again in Wano
Easiest way to kill Zunisha: Let it consume a devil fruit of any kind :ninja: The original Zou Zou fruit would make it especially silly. "You're gonna die by becoming an elephant!"
On land though, and with a logia, that thing would be SCARY.
Why can't he make crying noses and think at the same time?
It all depends what hearing the voice entails. Is it like telepathy or is it more like decyphering the meaning behind the animal's sounds?
I'm more inclined to believe it's something like telepathy. Considering the previous situation where Luffy "heard" Sea Kings underwater.
He also hear the princess underwater.
Reason I think it's clear it's not telepathy is that the seakings also talk to each other that way. And speak to the princess that same way. And the way they comment on Luffy seems to imply he hears them talking rather than is reading their mind.
I don't think Jack is done for at all. Even if it seems unlikely for a DF user to survive after all his ships have been wrecked, Oda will have someone save him, or maybe he will just cling to some piece of the ship or stuff like that.
Jack never goes on sea without its life buoy.
I think that the tirger on the spread is Also, I mistook him with Pedro too then I noticed Zoros sword the left eye hidden and Zoro is often portrayed as a tiger, isn't it zoro ?
Tigers have stripes…
Jack never goes on sea without its life buoy.
Lol yeah that would be his first wise choice
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I think that the tirger on the spread is Also, I mistook him with Pedro too then I noticed Zoros sword the left eye hidden and Zoro is often portrayed as a tiger, isn't it zoro ?
Nah man. That's Pedro. Look at the colorspread again. Look at the avatar.
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Yeah but considering the last time we say Moriah he wasn't all that strong ntm his work ethic is pretty terrible and he has been a pirate for a long time so I don't think he would get all that much better meaning he would be involved in a lower fight or or he will be further the plot somehow while they are on Wano
…now all I have running through my head is a crack theory of Moria teaming up with Bonney to restore him to his prior glory pre-Kaidou slump.
zou got lucky with plot. But its now im worried for the thing. hope the war starts before jack meets it again or even worst kaido. but the minks will get a survivor who will answer the question of how they came back.
first time might have been intel plus keeping on the tail of Raziou after the shipwrecked which might have been Jack's doing in the first place.
what i don't want to happen is jack to be any where near the leg or trunk, him getting into another fight with only another loss possible for him would be pointless before the war with kaido.
Nah, he was in a decades long slump cause of kaido but after marineford i think he spent the last 2 years getting in shape and doing something with his life, its a theme with defeated villains afterall. You will see fit moriah do a tagteam wrestling move with his shadow on one of them calamity punks :ninja:
That is entirely possible and I am willing to bet that he has done that but I think it would be a little disappointing to have anyone other than the SH take down one of the calamities at least in my personal opinion.
Luffy wont solo kaido, also i think drake will end up betraying kaido.
The ones that get complicated for Luffy are enemies with weird DF. Kaido will be Zoan, their will be no gimmicks to his attacks. It's going to be all out brawl. No reason why Luffy can't solo him. Luffy is a monster when is comes to overpowering opponents with brute strength.
The ones that get complicated for Luffy are enemies with weird DF. Kaido will be Zoan, their will be no gimmicks to his attacks. It's going to be all out brawl. No reason why Luffy can't solo him. Luffy is a monster when is comes to overpowering opponents with brute strength.
You know that if Luffy solo Kaidou, he will be strongest character in the manga right?
You know that if Luffy solo Kaidou, he will be strongest character in the manga right?
kaidou is confirmed strongest?
I thought "strongest creature in the world" was just a title.
@jabso:
kaidou is confirmed strongest?
I thought "strongest creature in the world" was just a title.
His title + the fact that people says that in one-on-one fight, he will always be the victor.
Maybe he's not THE strongest, that would the final villain but Kaidou is at least at the very top of the One Piece world
So yeah, if Luffy beats him in 1 vs 1 then i don't see any challenge left outside Blackbeard.
Or Oda goes full retard and pull ennemies 10 times stronger than the emperors out of his ass
His title + the fact that people says that in one-on-one fight, he will always be the victor.
Maybe he's not THE strongest, that would the final villain but Kaidou is at least at the very top of the One Piece world
So yeah, if Luffy beats him in 1 vs 1 then i don't see any challenge left outside Blackbeard.
Or Oda goes full retard and pull ennemies 10 times stronger than the emperors out of his ass
Stronger characters? Gorosei, Kong, The Devil himself, the former and current fleet admirals. Akainu is the most powerful as of right now. Kaidou might be strongest but he has so many defeats to his name, by the marines and fellow emperors. What's going in his favor in 1v1 situations is apparently his durability.
Having said that maybe after he acquired the mythical Dragon zoan fruit he literally did become the strongest creature in the world, there's not much that trumps dragons these days not even a big huge gorilla (which Kong probably is).
Stronger characters? Gorosei, Kong, The Devil himself, the former and current fleet admirals. Akainu is the most powerful as of right now. Kaidou might be strongest but he has so many defeats to his name, by the marines and fellow emperors. What's going in his favor in 1v1 situations is apparently his durability.
Having said that maybe after he acquired the mythical Dragon zoan fruit he literally did become the strongest creature in the world, there's not much that trumps dragons these days not even a big huge gorilla (which Kong probably is).
Akainu is not the strongest. The war made it pretty clear that Whitebeard, a Yonkou, is a few steps ahead of other top fighters. I don't see why this isn't the same with other Yonkou, especially Kaidou, who is said by the narrator, to be the strongest one on one fighter. Why should we think the narrator is lying to us, when it never has in any scenario?
…are people still salty over Jack getting rekt?
Also, Blackbeard will likely end up being the strongest, until Luffy beats him that is, but isn't so currently, seeing how he is certainly the most likely final villain. Currently though, its pretty clear Kaidou is the strongest.
Why can't he make crying noses and think at the same time?
It all depends what hearing the voice entails. Is it like telepathy or is it more like decyphering the meaning behind the animal's sounds?
I'm more inclined to believe it's something like telepathy. Considering the previous situation where Luffy "heard" Sea Kings underwater.
To me, it looks extremely similar to the relation Nausicaa has with the Omu.
Akainu is not the strongest. The war made it pretty clear that Whitebeard, a Yonkou, is a few steps ahead of other top fighters. I don't see why this isn't the same with other Yonkou, especially Kaidou, who is said by the narrator, to be the strongest one on one fighter. Why should we think the narrator is lying to us, when it never has in any scenario?
I said he holds the most power as of right now, not that he's the strongest, which I agreed Kaidou might possibly be but there's usually a lot of hype gathered around sadistic individuals like we saw with Jack, what about people like Shanks who apparently stopped Kaidou's march towards Whitebeard, he could be the strongest Yonkou. Going by your logic all the Yonkou should be as strong as each other, but when Whitebeard was alive and healthier he was stronger than all of them no? I.e. he is the anomaly and I wouldn't measure a Yonkou's average strength based on a man who was said to be the former pirate King's equal. Their strengths and weaknesses vary. To me it looks kaidou has a strong army of zoan users and half and halfs and looks to simply strong-arm his enemies. Charlotte has the underworld in a choke-hold and her power and influence is probably even greater than the other Yonkou. Blackbeard is still a rookie so won't bother trying to understand him. Shanks has no apparent devil fruit and doesn't look like his crew does either, masters of haki. It's all speculation but the quietest ones are usually the most deadly.
But yeah the narrator, who's words you say are facts, also said he lost a lot of fights to other Yonkou and the marines in the past. Maybe he's not so ahead of other top fighters after all?
I said he holds the most power as of right now, not that he's the strongest, which I agreed Kaidou might possibly be but there's usually a lot of hype gathered around sadistic individuals like we saw with Jack, what about people like Shanks who apparently stopped Kaidou's march towards Whitebeard, he could be the strongest Yonkou. Going by your logic all the Yonkou should be as strong as each other, but when Whitebeard was alive and healthier he was stronger than all of them no? I.e. he is the anomaly and I wouldn't measure a Yonkou's average strength based on a man who was said to be the former pirate King's equal. Their strengths and weaknesses vary. To me it looks kaidou has a strong army of zoan users and half and halfs and looks to simply strong-arm his enemies. Charlotte has the underworld in a choke-hold and her power and influence is probably even greater than the other Yonkou. Blackbeard is still a rookie so won't bother trying to understand him. Shanks has no apparent devil fruit and doesn't look like his crew does either, masters of haki. It's all speculation but the quietest ones are usually the most deadly.
But yeah the narrator, who's words you say are facts, also said he lost a lot of fights to other Yonkou and the marines in the past. Maybe he's not so ahead of other top fighters after all?
My yonkou ranking for end of story goes Blackbeard–>Shanks---> (was stronger than blackbeard during the war and blackbeards crew would lose against his if they did not all get devil fruits plus Mihawk will help Shanks out when the warlords get disbanded and will fight Shiliew who will have the diamond fruit Zoro will have to beat Shiliew to be worlds best swordman since he will kill mihawk his teacher during the time skip)–-->Kaido-- (stopped him going to the whitebeard war and is most likely the reason kaido is making his crew forces stronger with smiles) --->big mom (he is going to steal the mermaid princess from fishman island and i see kaido as a team effect to beat while big mom could be the first yonkou luffy beats by himself since his rubber fruit gives luffy a advantage against big moms acid fruit rubber is used as protection when cleaning things with acid)
Whitebeard was stronger than them all in his prime and even when he was old he got a draw with Shanks when they argued about Ace which means he would have beaten Kaido and big mom who were weaker than Shanks before the time skip.
You know that if Luffy solo Kaidou, he will be strongest character in the manga right?
Stating opinion as fact so vehemently, I think you might be suffering the King Cannon syndrome
The ones that get complicated for Luffy are enemies with weird DF. Kaido will be Zoan, their will be no gimmicks to his attacks. It's going to be all out brawl. No reason why Luffy can't solo him. Luffy is a monster when is comes to overpowering opponents with brute strength.
Luffy defeating Kaido alone would be absurd.
I wonder where this tag-teaming trend comes from, I don't remember Luffy ever tag-teaming against an Arc Villain.
It's not impossible, and the Straw-Hats already tag-teamed against Oars and a Pacifista, but hell, why can't you atleast accept * the possibility * of Luffy beating Kaido alone, like he's always done? Why is it so absurd and impossible and far-fetched?
I wonder where this tag-teaming trend comes from, I don't remember Luffy ever tag-teaming against an Arc Villain.
It's not impossible, and the Straw-Hats already tag-teamed against Oars and a Pacifista, but hell, why can't you atleast accept * the possibility * of Luffy beating Kaido alone, like he's always done? Why is it so absurd and impossible and far-fetched?
Strength and ability aside, the whole Kaidou arc is becoming chapter by chapter a more "alliance-themed" battle calling it by now the possibility of a tag fight… Which already happened against Dofla, with a pair of combo attacks along Law. So, if the tenyaksha already needed such a thing, the probabilities that it occurs again on Kaidou are way more high than we think...
I said he holds the most power as of right now, not that he's the strongest, which I agreed Kaidou might possibly be but there's usually a lot of hype gathered around sadistic individuals like we saw with Jack, what about people like Shanks who apparently stopped Kaidou's march towards Whitebeard, he could be the strongest Yonkou. Going by your logic all the Yonkou should be as strong as each other, but when Whitebeard was alive and healthier he was stronger than all of them no? I.e. he is the anomaly and I wouldn't measure a Yonkou's average strength based on a man who was said to be the former pirate King's equal. Their strengths and weaknesses vary. To me it looks kaidou has a strong army of zoan users and half and halfs and looks to simply strong-arm his enemies. Charlotte has the underworld in a choke-hold and her power and influence is probably even greater than the other Yonkou. Blackbeard is still a rookie so won't bother trying to understand him. Shanks has no apparent devil fruit and doesn't look like his crew does either, masters of haki. It's all speculation but the quietest ones are usually the most deadly.
But yeah the narrator, who's words you say are facts, also said he lost a lot of fights to other Yonkou and the marines in the past. Maybe he's not so ahead of other top fighters after all?
Just because Kaidou lost several fights does not change the fact Oda told us Kaidou is the strongest creature (which includes man) in a one on one fight: he never said Kaidou had the most military strength (which I doubt is the case, meaning, I don't agree with you) nor did he distinguish Kaidou's title being relative to non-humans. As to why the man has suffered so many defeats, Oda outright stated that Kaidou is someone who seeks death for fun and as such, can be seen as a very foolhardy individual and not very reasonable (like the moron who charged a giant as fuck elephant, who just so happens to Kaidou's subordinate). Kaidou was probably (almost certainly) weaker when he suffered those losses (it was said Moriah could tango with him at one point afterall), and even if thats not the case, Kaidou's losses can be attributed to him taking on way more than he can handle (i.e. pulling a Jack and charging ships with several admirals and vice admirals). I never said Kaidou was definitively the strongest, but as Oda said, in a series of one on one fights against One Piece's strongest fighter, he would come out on top the majority of the time, whether it be against another yonkou, Dragon, or an admiral. Why is it so hard to accept the word of god? This stories narrator (which is literally Oda talking directly to the reader) has always been reliable, yet for some reason, in this scenario, you are making it seem like he isn't, just to maintain that Shanks is the strongest.
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I wonder where this tag-teaming trend comes from, I don't remember Luffy ever tag-teaming against an Arc Villain.
It's not impossible, and the Straw-Hats already tag-teamed against Oars and a Pacifista, but hell, why can't you atleast accept * the possibility * of Luffy beating Kaido alone, like he's always done? Why is it so absurd and impossible and far-fetched?
If Luffy beats Kaidou solo, then he will be considered the strongest character in the manga before it even ends. Never mind the massive alliance that is being gathered to take him down. Never mind Moriah, who was beats by a team fight, is going to be part of the arc.
You honestly think Luffy is going to take down Kaidou alone when Doflamingo, who trembles at the thought of Kaidou, needed to be worn down by Law for Luffy to defeat him (and no, fighting all day and tanking Bellamy's punches does not equal getting your organs fried). Luffy is not suddenly going from Doflamingo (which I believe him to be now, seeing how Luffy's power growth occurs) level to the strongest character; that makes absolutely no sense.
Furthermore, consider the fact Oda is making an effort to parallel the arcs of the New World with the arcs of paradise; to illustrate East Blue/Fishman (Fishmen/Racism), Alabasta/Dressrosa (Evil warlord), Sky Island/Zou (Exposition plus adventure), Enies Lobby/Cake Island (Rescue Strawhat), and then, as I suspect, Thriller Bark/Wano (Team battle to take down the monster). If Oda wasn't bringing back elements like Ryuuma's sword and Moriah for Wano, your position might not be unreasonable, but he is. Why would Oda stop doing these parallels when's he's continued to do them throughout the New World, and even made an effort to set up parallels before arcs even begin? The thing is, Oda won't, as he has a habit of following through with what he sets up. Why should this be any different?
The point is, your claim is absurd because one, most importantly, doesn't make sense from a narrative perspective. Luffy will not be the definitive best until he lands that final punch in to Blackbeard's ugly mug and is declared Pirate King: Luffy must be an under dog until the end. And two, the parallels between the arcs of the New World and the arcs of East Blue and Paradise are too uncanny up to this point, and Wano not having a massive team battle wouldn't fit that mold. Luffy can have a one on one portion of a fight against Kaidou with the help of Moriah as Gear Fourth Nightmare Luffy, and he will certainly land the final blow, but saying the fight won't be a team effort makes absolutely no sense on so many levels.
And before that WB was the strongest man in the world of OP.
When Kaidou would be indeed the strongest, there would be no way Shanks could have stopped him from entering Marineford(especially with his desire to fight) and we wouldn´t have four yonkou who are on equal grounds, or else they wouldn´t scheme and plan (like gathering SMILE-users) to overthrow each other.
While Kaidou obviously is a physically strong guy, it also depends in this world, who you have behind you.
So Akainu with the whole marine and BB with his savage crew i see as stronger (especially when they will come later in the story, which is also an indicator^^), while admirals and yonkou might be at the same level anyways, where the circumstances of the fight mostly generates the victor,
But Kaidou definitely looks like a guy who could in a 1vs1 fight on neutral ground, without DF abilities etc. stomp almost anyone with his pure strength into the ground^^
While Kaidou has strongest creature title, I think Oda is talking about non human or only half human creatures in particular( giants, Zounisha, fishmen, oars, kaidou's race whatever it is). Wb was the equal of the pirate king but he wasn't called the strongest creature, he was strongest man.
If Oda wanted to place humans in the world's strongest creature title, WB should be named that way too.