Chapter 802: Zou

Rukusho

Didn't Absalom save Moriah?

I remember that being mentioned in a SBS

! Also that he works for the world government as their photographer now

ArmamentHero

in the new world you have the "tri-logpose"..so from every island you can sail to three different destinations..even blackbeard left destruction on his way..and it still took ace months to get the guy

This is true, however, Ace did eventually find him and this latest chapter implies that Weeble and Bucking will eventually find Luffy.

MagneticMonkey

@Maju:

you don't need experience,you just need a thinking mind..with such a power you can defeat anyone,no way to "balance" it

A thinking mind you say… Well something weebie seems to lack as far as we've seen.

Maju

@MagneticMonkey:

A thinking mind you say… Well something weebie seems to lack as far as we've seen.

well her mother seems to think for him,so the problem stays

RobZilla

@Maju:

they don't really nbeed a reason to not intervene..weevil is a person,not an island..you either have his vivre card or you are not gonna find in in the entire new world

The more obvious tactic would be to regroup with the remaining allied captains and draw Weevil out.

Even at that, the guy is seemingly leaving a hell of a lot of destruction in his wake, he's being far from subtle.

@Maju:

..that's why it took so long to ace to find blackbeard

Blackbeard was hitting seemingly random, undecided or unknown targets.

We still don't know why he arrived at and sacked Drum Island, and he was searching for any viable option (eventually Luffy) to try and gain Shichibukai status.

It would have been much harder to try and ascertain some sort of pattern in his movements and head him off.

Also, Ace was searching for Teach all alone, while the remaining WB pirates have considerably more manpower for a search.

@Maju:

..and the guy at least left witnesses..this guy seems to destroy everyone and everything wherever he goes

If that were the case, no reports could have come back regarding the elimination of AO and his crew, as well as the other 15 allied captains to have been taken down.

To take a line from Pirates of the Carribean, "…never leaves any survivors...then where do the stories come from, I wonder?"

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@funebre:

"We could see" where? Am I missing something?

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MagneticMonkey

@Maju:

well her mother seems to think for him,so the problem stays

Come on.you can't be.serious… Eventually weebie will get rid of her the same way as babidi got killed by bu.You also don't expect her to give him clever tactics depending on the current fight the very nanoseconds that decide a fierce battle do you? The opponent will hear the advices and might very well use it against weebie.

Sads

Robby

@MagneticMonkey:

About weebles power…. Has the time stopping DF been mentioned? Maybe he can stop the time ala guldo (was he callef like that???) in dbz.

@Maju:

don't think we will ever get a fruit like that..way too powerful..especially with kairoseki around.

Foxy already had the power to slow things down, that's probably the full extent we'll see of that sort of power.

funebre

@Kdom:

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16 chars of "Ohhh thanks!"

KageKageKing

@Rukusho:

I remember that being mentioned in a SBS

! Also that he works for the world government as their photographer now

He is a freelancer journalist actually.

AlnaJames

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I just got to mention…
This chapter, with the "son" named EDWARD Weeble and "Edward" being a family name in this case logically, pretty much confirms that all names that Oda took from real pirates and that were written in European manner (name first, surname second) are just... inverted. Meaning that "Teach" is a name and "Marshall" is a surname, "Burgess" is a name and "Jesus" is a surname, "Hawkins" is a name and "Basil" is a surname and so on.

I just... I can't get over this :getlost: Oda usually does so much reasearch and puts so much meaning into the names of characters... Why screw it up like this? Doesn't he realize that you can't just interswitch this? Why not write it the Japanese way to begin with? What the hell...

RobZilla

@Al!naJames:

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I just got to mention…
This chapter, with the "son" named EDWARD Weeble and "Edward" being a family name in this case logically, pretty much confirms that all names that Oda took from real pirates and that were written in European manner (name first, surname second) are just... inverted. Meaning that "Teach" is a name and "Marshall" is a surname, "Burgess" is a name and "Jesus" is a surname, "Hawkins" is a name and "Basil" is a surname and so on.

I just... I can't get over this :getlost: Oda usually does so much reasearch and puts so much meaning into the names of characters... Why screw it up like this? Doesn't he realize that you can't just interswitch this? Why not write it the Japanese way to begin with? What the hell...

The one that's really messing with me is Bartholomew Kuma, personally.

AlnaJames

@RobZilla:

The one that's really messing with me is Bartholomew Kuma, personally.

My mind is heavily troubled by this just in general. I can't believe Oda doesn't realize this or doesn't care. I do believe in Japan names and surnames are also not interchangable, no? I mean sure, there are some names out there that serve as a surname as well (e.g. James), but still. It's just wrong!

ArmamentHero

As completely baseless this may sound, after thinking about it: That elephant lived through the void century, hence the age of a Thousand Years. Just what if Zou was just a baby growing up in a Certain Ancient Kingdom before the war even started? and what if the Minkmen lived there as well? And the reason they're on Zou's back now, is because they fled. Farfetched i know. Just a thought.

Lao G

After re-reading this chapter a couple of times, I can't help but feel that the transition between the end of Dressrosa and the start of Zou occurred… a bit too fast..?
In-universe it was quite a while since the gang left Dressrosa, but for me, as a reader, this feels a bit rushed. I guess Oda just wants to get the crew back together as soon as possible, but in my opinion the sailing part could have used some more time devoted to it. We could have gotten some more gang interactions, some things need clearing up. Like, why is no one in the crew interested in what is the actual deal with Momonosuke and Kinemon, and Kanjurou wasn't even properly introduced to everybody. Luffy hasn't even said anything about him, has he? Law hasn't explained the rest of the plan yet, but that can be because he probably wants to have the whole crew listen to it, so I'm not really bothered by it. But the fact that everybody is just acting as if nothing actually happened just feels unnatural.
But it's not like it took away my enjoyment of the chapter. Very excited for Zou, still.

kcity

@Al!naJames:

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I just got to mention…
This chapter, with the "son" named EDWARD Weeble and "Edward" being a family name in this case logically, pretty much confirms that all names that Oda took from real pirates and that were written in European manner (name first, surname second) are just... inverted. Meaning that "Teach" is a name and "Marshall" is a surname, "Burgess" is a name and "Jesus" is a surname, "Hawkins" is a name and "Basil" is a surname and so on.

I just... I can't get over this :getlost: Oda usually does so much reasearch and puts so much meaning into the names of characters... Why screw it up like this? Doesn't he realize that you can't just interswitch this? Why not write it the Japanese way to begin with? What the hell...

I wouldn't call it factual just yet considering he's very likely not even Whitebeards son. If it would be the case the strange ones imo would be Hody Jones and Ben Beckmann.

MetaMario

@Al!naJames:

I just… I can't get over this :getlost: Oda usually does so much reasearch and puts so much meaning into the names of characters... Why screw it up like this? Doesn't he realize that you can't just interswitch this? Why not write it the Japanese way to begin with? What the hell...

Yeah, it's a little disappointing. They sound so great in the Western/European order, then they get kinda wonky in the reverse order.

I seriously thought "Roronoa" was Zoro's first name when I first got into the series.

RobZilla

@Al!naJames:

My mind is heavily troubled by this just in general. I can't believe Oda doesn't realize this or doesn't care. I do believe in Japan names and surnames are also not interchangable, no? I mean sure, there are some names out there that serve as a surname as well (e.g. James), but still. It's just wrong!

It does seem rather strange doesn't it?

Then again how often are characters full names really used anyway?

Outside of intro boxes or general exposition, not very much at all.

It's a little annoying, but at least it's not something that's totally in your face all the time.

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@kcity:

I wouldn't call it factual just yet considering he's very likely not even Whitebeards son.

Regardless, he's still using Edward as his family name rather than his given name.

@kcity:

If it would be the case the strange ones imo would be Hody Jones and Ben Beckmann.

…ok, the Beckmann one is particularly annoying actually.

MetaMario

@RobZilla:

…ok, the Beckmann one is particularly annoying actually.

"The doctor will see you now Mr…....Ben."

Ben Beckman is an awesome sounding name, like a racecar driver or an Indiana Jones-esque explorer.

Razh

@KageKageKing:

He is a freelancer journalist actually.

Sailing with Hogback under Moria's flag.

kcity

@RobZilla:

Regardless, he's still using Edward as his family name rather than his given name.

…ok, the Beckmann one is particularly annoying actually.

I honestly think (or at least tell myself :ninja:) that it is part of the whole fake Whitebeards son joke.

It's also strange then that Luffy calls Hody Jones by his last name.

Edit: his crew, underlings and everyone else also calls him Hody

fuzi11

This whole name thing annoyed me when Nico Robin was introduced. Why is everyone calling her by her last name? Wait, Robin is her first name? At least both Robin and Nico are possible first names. But Newgate being the first name and Edward being the last is just plain weird.

And by the way. Is there a topic floating around here which lists all the open storylines and unanswered questions?

KageKageKing

This one week gap makes a good excuse for Toei to make about 2 filler arcs in the anime.

RobZilla

@kcity:

I honestly think (or at least tell myself :ninja:) that it is part of the whole fake Whitebeards son joke.

Maybe even One Piece characters are confused by Oda's naming conventions…

@kcity:

It's also strange then that Luffy calls Hody Jones by his last name.

Edit: his crew, underlings and everyone else also calls him Hody

Yeah, it's quite inconsistent really.

Very Un-Oda.

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@fuzi11:

And by the way. Is there a topic floating around here which lists all the open storylines and unanswered questions?

I think the "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread is your best bet.

I don't recall us having any threads specifically with all the future and currently unresolved plotlines though.

MagneticMonkey

@Robby:

Foxy already had the power to slow things down, that's probably the full extent we'll see of that sort of power.

I totally forgot that…

WILLoDz

@ArmamentHero:

As completely baseless this may sound, after thinking about it: That elephant lived through the void century, hence the age of a Thousand Years. Just what if Zou was just a baby growing up in a Certain Ancient Kingdom before the war even started? and what if the Minkmen lived there as well? And the reason they're on Zou's back now, is because they fled. Farfetched i know. Just a thought.

I like it, I don't think it's so far fetched…an elephant island, that's far fetched lol

Sparsebeard

@Robby:

Foxy already had the power to slow things down, that's probably the full extent we'll see of that sort of power.

Since that person has been mentionned, I think that the remaining admiral (Green Cow) is most likely to have a time related fruit.

Reasons :

a) Purple is the color of gravity while green is the color of time

b) Cosmic theme for new admirals : Light, gravity and time (As in einstein's theory of relativity)

c) Admiral level power needs to be mighty

No other theories convinced me in the least and I've yet to read arguments against it…

RobZilla

@Sparsebeard:

Since that person has been mentionned, I think that the remaining admiral (Green Cow) is most likely to have a time related fruit.
while green is the color of time

…is it?

I can't say I've ever come across this.

Green is making me think of an earth or nature related DF power.

@Sparsebeard:

c) Admiral level power needs to be mighty

Not necessarily.

Look at all the times Garp got offered the position.

He just punches people into a pulp.

@Sparsebeard:

No other theories convinced me in the least and I've yet to read arguments against it…

Well, for one, I think that a time related fruit would be too overpowered.

Secondly, Bonney already has a time related fruit.

Thirdly, I don't think the ability fits with the color green, personally.

Yeah, I'm banking on Terrakinesis or Ecokinesis.

Then again, maybe we'll get a zoan admiral to complete the trio alongside the logia admiral and the paramecia admiral?

Or maybe the new admiral won't be a DF user at all, and instead be a haki colossus, with the green referring to their young age or inexperience?

There's a lot of possibilities.

Katzztar

@kcity:

Isn't Jinbe supposed to be a whale shark or killer whale?

@game2005:

Jinbei's a whale shark, which is a fish.

Sorry kcity, to reply so late, just woke up… though Game's already answered ;)

@Mr.:

I think Oda purposely avoided lunged sea creatures like porpoises or whales as potential fishmen just to avoid making the race even more confusing. Ergo, he went with whale sharks and great whites to get the more impressively large fishmen.

I have to agree with you. I suspected that when we saw the royal family in FI had a whale as a pet, (didn't the mermaids in mermaid cove play with a dolphin at some point?) so we saw marine mammals as pets to mermaids/fishmen but never saw a type based on a mammal there.
If that's true and that minkmen are animal based (basically the opposite of fishmen(one sea creature the other land creature)) then I wouldn't be surprised if none of the minkmen have a whale or dolphin type (though I'd love to see one)

King Cannon

@Al!naJames:

My mind is heavily troubled by this just in general. I can't believe Oda doesn't realize this or doesn't care. I do believe in Japan names and surnames are also not interchangable, no? I mean sure, there are some names out there that serve as a surname as well (e.g. James), but still. It's just wrong!

He does realize.

See Kelly Funk & Bobby Funk.

.access timeco.

@PotentPork:

Quoting myself:

This is my theory about the elephant :P

Now this would be great!

Johnny B. Decent

@RobZilla:

…is it?

I can't say I've ever come across this.

Green is making me think of an earth or nature related DF power.

Not necessarily.

Look at all the times Garp got offered the position.

He just punches people into a pulp.

Well, for one, I think that a time related fruit would be too overpowered.

Secondly, Bonney already has a time related fruit.

Thirdly, I don't think the ability fits with the color green, personally.

Yeah, I'm banking on Terrakinesis or Ecokinesis.

Then again, maybe we'll get a zoan admiral to complete the trio alongside the logia admiral and the paramecia admiral?

Or maybe the new admiral won't be a DF user at all, and instead be a haki colossus, with the green referring to their young age or inexperience?

There's a lot of possibilities.

Question: Would an ability that turns someone into a plant be a Logia or a Zoan? Plants are a part of nature, but they also are living things, which could technically make them be classified as Zoans, so I'm a bit curious to see how it could go.

kcity

@Katzztar:

Sorry kcity, to reply so late, just woke up… though Game's already answered ;)

I have to agree with you. I suspected that when we saw the royal family in FI had a whale as a pet, (didn't the mermaids in mermaid cove play with a dolphin at some point?) so we saw marine mammals as pets to mermaids/fishmen but never saw a type based on a mammal there.
If that's true and that minkmen are animal based (basically the opposite of fishmen(one sea creature the other land creature)) then I wouldn't be surprised if none of the minkmen have a whale or dolphin type (though I'd love to see one)

Ah you meant whale as in mammal, I thought it was purely about size for some reason

King Cannon

@S.C.:

Question: Would an ability that turns someone into a plant be a Logia or a Zoan? Plants are a part of nature, but they also are living things, which could technically make them be classified as Zoans, so I'm a bit curious to see how it could go.

The term "Zoanthropy" refers exclusively to animals.

MetaMario

@MagneticMonkey:

I totally forgot that…

ScotchNo3

@Katzztar:

I have to agree with you. I suspected that when we saw the royal family in FI had a whale as a pet, (didn't the mermaids in mermaid cove play with a dolphin at some point?) so we saw marine mammals as pets to mermaids/fishmen but never saw a type based on a mammal there.
If that's true and that minkmen are animal based (basically the opposite of fishmen(one sea creature the other land creature)) then I wouldn't be surprised if none of the minkmen have a whale or dolphin type (though I'd love to see one)

Perhaps aquatic mammals are mixes of fishmen and minkmen like wotans are mixes too
that's always been my theory

Thegreato

You think that Weeble might try to find/visit the grave of his "father"?

I could easily see him getting worked up over that to a point where I don't think his mother could control him. That, and I don't think that the remnants of the WB pirates are going to take too kindly to that idea. And seeing how all of his battles have started off only as petty arguments, full on aggression may escalate it beyond what we've seen thus far.

Sparsebeard

@RobZilla:

a) …is it?

I can't say I've ever come across this.

Green is making me think of an earth or nature related DF power.

b) Not necessarily.

Look at all the times Garp got offered the position.

He just punches people into a pulp.

c) Well, for one, I think that a time related fruit would be too overpowered.

d) Secondly, Bonney already has a time related fruit.

e) Thirdly, I don't think the ability fits with the color green, personally.

Yeah, I'm banking on Terrakinesis or Ecokinesis.

Then again, maybe we'll get a zoan admiral to complete the trio alongside the logia admiral and the paramecia admiral?

Or maybe the new admiral won't be a DF user at all, and instead be a haki colossus, with the green referring to their young age or inexperience?

There's a lot of possibilities.

a) Lol, well, in FFTactics, time magic is green… I thought I had more exemples, can't seem to find them...

b) But all current and past admirals had a very powerful df, not saying a haki beast is impossible but I the trend is there.

c) Admirals ARE overpowered, I mean, in theory, light and gravity are very very powerful abilities and in practice, lava and ice are mighty... The most overpowered the opponent, the greater the glory.

If the light-light fruit can be fought against, the time-time can also.

d) Not really the type of mass destruction ability of an admiral. Admirals we were shown can easily destroy islands...

e) Wasn't there a non-canon plant-plant user, Oda doesn't seem to use powers used by characters in the anime. Also, earth is brown, red, yellow, but not green.

As for the other possibilites, I can't deny they're possible. Heck, even though I think time is the most likely, I acknowledge that it's even more likely to be SOMETHING else.

On an other subject, how about and ability absorbing power of some sort for Bigmom, she eats the person and gets the powerup, kindoff a buffed up Drum king's power. Acid seems a little lame and predictable.

desa

@RobZilla:

I was just thinking to myself, that it's kind of weird that Weevil hasn't come across any of the actual WB commanders yet.

I mean, A.O. being eliminated makes for the 16th WB allied captain to be brought down, yet Weevil hasn't been moved against by any of the former WB Pirates Bigwigs.

Fair enough, Newgate is dead and effectively the alliance is nullified, but you'd think Marco and the rest would be looking for this guy to take him down.

Especially considering that who's perpetrating these attacks seems to be pretty commonly known.

Marco suck at preserving Whitebeard's and is weeping on the floor somewhere? While the rest are trying to convince him to grow some balls.

Or due to the magic of plot Marco needs 2 years to decide to act.

Bottom line, Whitebeard was the awesome one of his crew.

genexus

@Adam:

Elephant from the void century and Luffy being able to hear the voice of all things?

And an elephant never forgets, so he must know all that happend.

DARK_RITUAL

Ok the elephant leg has been bothering me since it seems like his standing up, so I went in search and found this.

The elephants, inspired by Gian Lorenzo Bernini's sculpture base in Rome of an elephant carrying an ancient obelisk, are portrayed 'with long, multi-jointed legs.

There is actually a popular elephant painting that has a very long leg while carrying a castle on his back. So do you think this elephant in one piece will turn out to have such long legs?

Sparsebeard

@Al!naJames:

My mind is heavily troubled by this just in general. I can't believe Oda doesn't realize this or doesn't care. I do believe in Japan names and surnames are also not interchangable, no? I mean sure, there are some names out there that serve as a surname as well (e.g. James), but still. It's just wrong!

Perhaps it depends where they are from, OPverse is supposed to represent a whole planet with many cultures, perhaps different OPcountries have different naming conventions?

kcity

@DARK_RITUAL:

Ok the elephant leg has been bothering me since it seems like his standing up, so I went in search and found this.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Dali_Elephants.jpg
The elephants, inspired by Gian Lorenzo Bernini's sculpture base in Rome of an elephant carrying an ancient obelisk, are portrayed 'with long, multi-jointed legs.

There is actually a popular elephant painting that has a very long leg while carrying a castle on his back. So do you think this elephant in one piece will turn out to have such long legs?

could also be some variation of the hindu legend:

Though it could also just be relatively shallow water (even the toes of that elephant would be gigantic)

desa

So a 1000 years old elephant from long ring island.

Hy4000uk

Wonderful chapter. Whitebeard jr and his mother look fantastic, i'm honestly confused by the hate for his design. His goofy look fits with the general aesthetic of one piece, and between doflamingo and crocodile we've had enough stylish calculating megalomaniacs to last us a lifetime.

I'm convinced weeble is whitebeard's son. The moustache and overwhelming strength seem like far too much of a co-incidence to be fake. Not too sure about his "mother" though

I hope he comes for luffy. That would be a battle i would pay to see. The son of the dragon vs the son of whitebeard.

jabso thelaw

@desa:

Marco suck at preserving Whitebeard's and is weeping on the floor somewhere? While the rest are trying to convince him to grow some balls.

Or due to the magic of plot Marco needs 2 years to decide to act.

Bottom line, Whitebeard was the awesome one of his crew.

We dont know their reason for going quiet the past two years or why the let whitebeards territory fall to kurohige without putting up a fight.
Id say give marco a chance.

Maju

@MagneticMonkey:

Come on.you can't be.serious… Eventually weebie will get rid of her the same way as babidi got killed by bu.You also don't expect her to give him clever tactics depending on the current fight the very nanoseconds that decide a fierce battle do you? The opponent will hear the advices and might very well use it against weebie.

you don't need clever tactis..as i said,you just need a thinking mind..as in an IQ over 30

wanna defeat someone

step 1: stop time
step 2: decapitate the guy

if the guy is a logia or has a df that makes him immune to decapitation

step 1:stop time
step 2:put kairoseki on him
step 3: decapitate him

it's not rocket science..and it's the reason why a time controlling df would be unbeatable

Hy4000uk

Off-topic a little bit, but is anyone else overwhelmed by the sheer amazingness of the last few chapters?

Kaido
The parent/child aliance and the promise of more fun to come
Whitebeard junior, the seventh shichibukai
The new bounties (particularly usopp's)
Sanji's mysterious wanted poster
Zou and the minkmen
Lucci's return as a senior member of cp0 with spandam and kaku as his suboordinates
The shadowy reveal of green bull
The shadowy reveal of a revolutionary commander
The overwhleming confidence of jack (dude has to be kaido's second in command)

honestly the best run i've ever seen in any medium. hot damn

AlnaJames

@fuzi11:

This whole name thing annoyed me when Nico Robin was introduced. Why is everyone calling her by her last name? Wait, Robin is her first name? At least both Robin and Nico are possible first names. But Newgate being the first name and Edward being the last is just plain weird.

Robin's name is in correct order, the Japanese one, meaning the family name goes first and the person's name second. All of Mugiwara crew names (for those of them who has both) are in this order: Monkey D. Luffy, Roronoa Zoro, Nico Robin, and they are adressed informally to by other people by their names ("Luffy", "Zoro", "Robin") and formally by their family name (Tashigi calling Zoro "Roronoa", etc).
@kcity:

I honestly think (or at least tell myself :ninja:) that it is part of the whole fake Whitebeards son joke.

It's also strange then that Luffy calls Hody Jones by his last name.

Edit: his crew, underlings and everyone else also calls him Hody

It's not just Hody: everybody calls Blackbeard "Teach", Champion is "Burgess" for everybody, not "Jesus" and so on and so forth with pretty much every name where the order is reversed :getlost:

desa

@jabso:

We dont know their reason for going quiet the past two years or why the let whitebeards territory fall to kurohige without putting up a fight.
Id say give marco a chance.

Blackbeard at the top? Underlings getting slaughtered?
He us guilty until proven innocent.