I wonder what the next arc is gonna be… any ideas?
Whatever it is I hope it's a Kid or Drake "wank fest". Preferably Kid, but most probably Drake as he ties in with Kaido.
I wonder what the next arc is gonna be… any ideas?
Whatever it is I hope it's a Kid or Drake "wank fest". Preferably Kid, but most probably Drake as he ties in with Kaido.
Law likes recruiting people luffy made free,Jean Bart, mabe Bellamy….
He freed Jean-Bart. Also he invited him from being a famous pirate in North Blue.
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Dressrosa Strawhat Power Rankings:
And I mean this in the power rankings sports-sense, not in terms of actual power. Who shone the most this arc?
1. Luffy
2. Usopp
3. Zoro
4. Franky
5. Robin
6. Sanji
7. Brook
8. Nami
9. Absolutely useless ChopperI'd accept putting Sanji in the 5 slot if you think his Act 1 stuff outshone Robin's stuff the entire time.
Shining?
1-Luffy
2-Zoro
3-Franky/Usopp
5-Robin
6-Brook
7-Sanji
8-Nami
9-Chopper
He freed Jean-Bart. Also he invited him from being a famous pirate in North Blue.
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Shining?
1-Luffy
2-Zoro
3-Franky/Usopp
5-Robin
6-Brook
7-Sanji
8-Nami
9-Chopper
Shining?
Luffy/Law
Fujitora/Doffy
Sabo
Bartolomeo
Cavendish
Rebecca/Kyros
Zoro
Ussop
Franky
Robin
Doffy family / Colosseum fighters
fighters
The rest… :ninja:
People keep going on and on about bellamy not getting screen time, where is happo navy vice captain? Bellamy was not shown but that does not mean he is not there. Where is cavendish horse? Do anyone thing doflamingo would be left unattended? Bellamy is a bonafide idiot, but he would not go there… the man hims3lf clearly stated he has no intention of being arressted.
Law likes recruiting people luffy made free,Jean Bart, mabe Bellamy....
Boo is there with the other drinking, I want to see Gambia and the rest of Barto crew though.
He freed Jean-Bart. Also he invited him from being a famous pirate in North Blue.
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Shining?
1-Luffy
2-Zoro
3-Franky/Usopp
5-Robin
6-Brook
7-Sanji
8-Nami
9-Chopper
Usopp had several chapters where he was the main focus, most notably his Haki chapter but also the stuff down in the port and his God Usopp deification. He's arguably the member who showed the most character development within the arc, with Luffy in second and Zoro a distant third for a fight having him use his brain. I think it's no contest between Usopp and Franky, who showed he was tough but didn't do anything all that new. I think Usopp's scenes with a big singular focus on him outweigh Franky's scenes of shared comedy. There was only one scene where Franky did something that showed a lot of character and that was advocating on someone else's behalf.
Sanji-Brook is no contest. Sanji had his Violet nonsense, saved the crew from Doflamingo, and had his epic moment of Swirlyhatness. Brook defeated Jora. Unless you're actively devaluing Sanji for losing to the main villain who caught him by surprise, I think Sanji is the clear winner of our absentee bloc.
Dressrosa Strawhat Power Rankings:
And I mean this in the power rankings sports-sense, not in terms of actual power. Who shone the most this arc?
1. Luffy
2. Usopp
3. Zoro
4. Franky
5. Robin
6. Sanji
7. Brook
8. Nami
9. Absolutely useless ChopperI'd accept putting Sanji in the 5 slot if you think his Act 1 stuff outshone Robin's stuff the entire time.
Close. I'd change that up some though.
Hero Tier
1-Luffy
2-Usopp
Hey they did something tier
3-Zoro
4-Franky
Sad tier
5- Sanji/Brook
6- Robin
Useless Tier
7-Nami
8-Chopper
If anyone asks, I'll elaborate. If not, I might later.
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It can work. He can jump real high for an epic piledriver.
True, true.
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Whatever it is I hope it's a Kid or Drake "wank fest". Preferably Kid, but most probably Drake as he ties in with Kaido.
I don't like Drake, but Kid The Terrible is very good …..
I didn't think I would have to justify my picks.
@Jabberwok:
Usopp had several chapters where he was the main focus, most notably his Haki chapter but also the stuff down in the port and his God Usopp deification. He's arguablly the member whose showed the most character development within the arc, with Luffy in second and Zoro a distant third for a fight having him use his brain. I think it's no contest between Usopp and Franky who showed he was tough but didn't do anything all that new. I think Usopp's scenes with a big singular focus on him outweighed Franky's scenes of shared comedy. There was only one scene where Franky did something that showed a lot of character and that was advocating on someone else's behalf.
Franky has been consistently good throughout the arc. From his rocking the suits with Luffy group at the start, to helping Luffy get in the tournament and gaining information from that thug, interacting with the toy soldier, his superb speech has to why they have to save the country, him taking on the distraction so the SOP operation can go and going down against countless and 3 officers. He even manage to be the commander of the dwarves in the destruction of the factory and handling the birdcage.
Usopp on his end has been going up and down in the whole arc. But he had one big moment with the haki.
So I think Franky consistency is more than a match for that moment of Usopp.
Sanji-Brook is no contest. Sanji had his Violet nonsense, saved the crew from Doflamingo, and had his epic moment of Swirlyhatness. Brook defeated Jora. Unless you're actively devaluing Sanji for losing to the main villain who caught him by surprise, I think Sanji is the clear winner of our absentee bloc.
Well I'm saying Sanji looked bad I'm saying he didn't have a real highlight in the arc while Brook really had a moment with Jora. He was pretty low key in Dressrosa focusing more in nice interaction with Viola and his oone moment of awesome was shoot out the next moment by Law and Dofla. as for the swirly joke I see it as an awesome moment of Nami and the other absentees showing how fun they can be.
I don't like Drake, but Kid The Terrible is very good …..
I didn't like Drake's design pre-timeskip but after the jump he looks really cool with his eyepatch and things. His face doesn't look so Family Guy-esque anymore lol.
Close. I'd change that up some though.
Hero Tier
1-Luffy
2-UsoppHey they did something tier
3-Zoro
4-FrankySad tier
5- Sanji/Brook
6- RobinUseless Tier
7-Nami
8-ChopperIf anyone asks, I'll elaborate. If not, I might later.
You think Brook put on a better show than Robin? I was valuing her for getting all super excited about her twice, even if the follow through was weaker.
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Franky has been consistently good throughout the arc. From his rocking the suits with Luffy group at the start, to helping Luffy get in the tournament and gaining information from that thug, interacting with the toy soldier, his superb speech has to why they have to save the country, him taking on the distraction so the SOP operation can go and going down against countless and 3 officers. He even manage to be the commander of the dwarves in the destruction of the factory and handling the birdcage.
Usopp on his end has been going up and down in the whole arc. But he had one big moment with the haki.
So I think Franky consistency is more than a match for that moment of Usopp.
You put it pretty well. Franky has been a pretty consistent character on Dressrosa, which is kind of why he didn't stand out too much for me. I valued the few but spectacular highs of Usopp more than the Franky's good, even performance.
Well I'm saying Sanji looked bad I'm saying he didn't have a real highlight in the arc while Brook really had a moment with Jora. He was pretty low key in Dressrosa focusing more in nice interaction with Viola and his oone moment of awesome was shoot out the next moment by Law and Dofla. as for the swirly joke I see it as an awesome moment of Nami and the other absentees showing how fun they can be.
I'll admit I'm biased as a Sanji fan, but Sanji received focus as an individual for multiple scenes where Brook only emerged from the Sunny team for the one. I think we have a somewhat reversed argument from above, where you like Brook's one act and I prefer Sanji's spread out focus. The difference for me is that Sanji definitely does have standout moments, even if they're somewhat overshadowed by later events.
The best moment for Sanji though is when he's silhouetted against Big Mom's ship with his jacket-cape flapping and hair blowing in the breeze and he casually asks if they can return fire on a freaking Yonkou ship like he's the coolest guy in the world and that's the last we see of them for 65 FREAKING CHAPTERS and don't mind me I'm just mancrushing on Sanji over here. That 2-3 chapter sequence is still my favorite in all of Dressrosa.
You put it pretty well. Franky has been a pretty consistent character on Dressrosa, which is kind of why he didn't stand out too much for me. I valued the few but spectacular highs of Usopp more than the Franky's good, even performance.
Well I have a really fond memory of that page while I can't detach myself from Usopp running or his panick in green bit. Franky is either good and extremely while Usopp goes from disapointing to excellent.
I'll admit I'm biased as a Sanji fan, but Sanji received focus as an individual for multiple scenes where Brook only emerged from the Sunny team for the one. I think we have a somewhat reversed argument from above, where you like Brook's one act and I prefer Sanji's spread out focus. The difference for me is that Sanji definitely does have standout moments, even if they're somewhat overshadowed by later events.
The best moment for Sanji though is when he's silhouetted against Big Mom's ship with his jacket-cape flapping and hair blowing in the breeze and he casually asks if they can return fire on a freaking Yonkou ship like he's the coolest guy in the world and that's the last we see of them for 65 FREAKING CHAPTERS and don't mind me I'm just mancrushing on Sanji over here. That 2-3 chapter sequence is still my favorite in all of Dressrosa.
Well I think while Brook actually shines Sanji simply gets overshadows everytime making not have a real highlight in my book.
I must said I forgot that scene with the Big mom boat. So maybe that put Sanji higher than Brook. But then again I have hard time counting it since it is so detached from the plot of the island.
Funnny enough I like Sanji and hate Zoro. But I sure think he didn't really shine in Dressrosa. While I can think of something for each strawhat(except Chopper), he is either ok or I remember how the spotlight didn't shine long enough on him to be his moment
Usopp had several chapters where he was the main focus, most notably his Haki chapter but also the stuff down in the port and his God Usopp deification. He's arguablly the member whose showed the most character development within the arc, with Luffy in second and Zoro a distant third for a fight having him use his brain. I think it's no contest between Usopp and Franky who showed he was tough but didn't do anything all that new. I think Usopp's scenes with a big singular focus on him outweighed Franky's scenes of shared comedy. There was only one scene where Franky did something that showed a lot of character and that was advocating on someone else's behalf.
omg your right usopp is the best i just cant stop fantasing about his long hard nose inside of me ' oh god usopp!!'
He freed Jean-Bart.
He indeed removed the exploding collar and chains, but its Luffy et al who freed that guy by taking out the celestials, something Law him self admitted. In the same way, he freed Bellamy from Joker, and Bellamy is an impressive pirate captain from north blue as well.
Huh? what hints?
… we have absolutely no info on Sanji's past before he was a trainee cook on that ship and I don't see anything of Sanji hinting at being royalty, esp. when we have had royals in hiding before and gotten hints of that such as Vivi was hinted at before with Dalton thinking he's recognized her and then her anger at how Wapol abandoned his people.
I never saw anyone think of Sanji came from a royal family until people started to joke after he used the "Mr. Prince" alias on Little GArden then some people took the joke as serious.
Yes, back on Little Garden he called himself "Mr. Prince" but that's not hint to his past, it was a call to his personality of a "Prince Charming" to the ladies.
Sorry for the late reply been busy…
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Sanji is absolutely a royal, all I'm saying is that they are hints or things that makes it look possible. I can go on and on about the hints but it's too many to type out, so I will just post this video and let you watch and see if it's possible or not.. Remember, I'm not saying it's going to happen but rather 50/50 chance of being true. Also know I disagree with most of what he says in this video.
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Hopefully we get a glimpse of the swirlyhat's situation next chapter. They probably have ended beating more of Kaido's forces, met up with the remaining HP's, or captured.
Not glimpse, but the whole arc should be switching to the swirlyhat's from next or 802 chapter onwards will be about the swirlyhat's.
I hope.
People keep going on and on about bellamy not getting screen time, where is happo navy vice captain? Bellamy was not shown but that does not mean he is not there. Where is cavendish horse? Do anyone thing doflamingo would be left unattended? Bellamy is a bonafide idiot, but he would not go there… the man hims3lf clearly stated he has no intention of being arressted.
Law likes recruiting people luffy made free,Jean Bart, mabe Bellamy....
Are you implying Bellamy stole Cavendish's horse? Firstly wasn't there a small panel of the horse with the group. Secondly horses can be insanely stubborn. He probably wouldn't go anywhere with Bellamy. It's probably faster for Bellamy to boing boing over to the ship where DD would be held, if that's what he's doing.
Law has no reason to take someone who idolizes DD, someone he's tried to kill, to the point of stupidity. And was shown to be not really good at his job…
Sorry for the late reply been busy…
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Sanji is absolutely a royal, all I'm saying is that they are hints or things that makes it look possible. I can go on and on about the hints but it's too many to type out, so I will just post this video and let you watch and see if it's possible or not.. Remember, I'm not saying it's going to happen but rather 50/50 chance of being true. Also know I disagree with most of what he says in this video.!
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Glad to know you don't believe most what it says because that video lost all credibility when it went to RH blood, aliens and celestial dragons have alien blood due to the 'spacesuit' … and really it thinks Sanji has same blood - meaning the vid is implying Sanji has alien blood?!
Then many "facts" about the manga they got wrong. :getlost:
I'll stick the Sanji parts that more plausible..if anyone is interested. but long and drones on so hidden
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the red/white hat resembles the spires of the Lvneel Kingdom … not convinced really but admit maybe coincidence
I already said how Sanji used the "Mr. Pirnce" alias was referring to Sanji's Prince Charming attitude.
Zoro calling him "Prince of Dumbass Kingdom" was referring to Sanji's alias of "Mr. Prince"
them thinking "Sanji not letting them take his picture" is not true. Sanji was pissed his bounty poster didn't have his pic on it and that it looked so terrible. Nami was the one that didn't want a bounty pic.
Then they say "I'm sure the marine photographers are skilled enough to get a pic of Sanji". That goes straight against the manga where Akainu asks Attach if he took the lens cap off the camera (because the pic was all black). 2nd pic is easy enough to explain - it was taken in the escape fro SA when Sanji was fighting the Pacifita (sp?)at a point he went into a handstand or a spin kick
Really why hide from a pic? IF he was a prince, then there would be previous pictures. IT's not like he doesn't hide his face so marines would still recognize him
-5:07 not plausible because he wasn't a chef ... he was a trainee.
Sanji is not the only one who we know nothing about his parents, same is true for Zoro. Nami, we don't know her real parents, only she & Nojiko were found on a battlefield by Bellemere as a baby
6:07, talk about heartless. So we didn't see Sanji weep over the death of a lost one, instead we say him go through being marooned with the pirate captain that attacked his ship, rest of his shipmates lost, then starvation and realized only reason he didn't die of starvation is because that pirate gave him all the food and ate his own leg.
They literally think its not enough for a kid to have guilt (since it was done for the kid's benefit) that an adult turned to self-cannibalization to have "the traumatic past of SHs", but lack of not crying over lost ones sets Sanji apart
HE wears a suit because its the image of a 'Ladies Man' to wear a suit & tie.
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From the bottom of my heart, I wish that the next chapter would feature the swirly hats just to satisfy the Sanji etc fanatics, so Oda will put a stop on all these complaints.
I love Sanji et al, but the constant complaints of his absence is getting really annoying
Here's another easter egg.
Looks like there's a "2-TAMARIA" and a "3-TAMARIA" (Santa Maria anyone). Pretty sure a "1-TAMARIA" on that last ship but tough to make out.
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He indeed removed the exploding collar and chains, but its Luffy et al who freed that guy by taking out the celestials, something Law him self admitted. In the same way, he freed Bellamy from Joker, and Bellamy is an impressive pirate captain from north blue as well.
I consider the guy who took care of his chains and explosive collar to be the one who made him free. Law never said he didn't, he said Luffy said played a part in it, which he did. I don't consider Bellamy impressive at all but that is a matter of opinion or how you read the manga.
Here's another easter egg.
Looks like there's a "2-TAMARIA" and a "3-TAMARIA" (Santa Maria anyone). Pretty sure a "1-TAMARIA" on that last ship but tough to make out.
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How long ago story wise and where is this?
Edit: Dind't cavendishe's horse die?
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He freed Jean-Bart. Also he invited him from being a famous pirate in North Blue.
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Shining?
1-Luffy
2-Zoro
3-Franky/Usopp
5-Robin
6-Brook
7-Sanji
8-Nami
9-ChopperHow can you say Zoro shined more then Usopp.
For me it's , by the way are you guys doing this list based on your opinion as a reader, or their impact in the one piece world?
1 Usopp
2 Luffy
3 Zoro
4 Franky
5 Robin
6 Sanji
7 Brook
8 Nami
9 Chopper
I can see Sai, Ideo, Leo, Hajrudin and Orlombus taking different paths but always waitin' for Luffy's call, but because his obsession with popularity and the "notice me senpai" thing, Cabbage and Barto can still stick around with the StrawHearts.
@LordEnel:
How long ago story wise and where is this?
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Was the new world allusion literally the new world allusion ?????
While I can think of something for each strawhat(except Chopper), he is either ok or I remember how the spotlight didn't shine long enough on him to be his moment
What can you think of for Nami? I only remember that moment of rationality with the 3 cards discussion… If so, I agree, but she was still only slightly less useless than Chopper this time around, although since they had good character development and emotional moments throughout Punk Hazard (the children plotline was almost exclusively made up for them to shine), I don't mind it as much. But I hope they get a good show in Zou.
If I have to rank the Straw Hats according to their performance this arc, I put it like this:
1 - Luffy - The star of the arc, as usual. Gear 4 is enough to explain why.
2 - Usopp - The way he gathered the courage to fight for people who he had no relation to, even after forgetting about Robin, against an opponent far stronger than him, was admirable; he became God Usopp, a 500 000 000 berry bounty head and had the amazing sniping feat.
3 - Franky - desa has explained why this was a great arc for Franky (another one, after FI and PH!)
4 - Zoro - His display against Pica was amazing in terms of scale and he had to think a little, but the above mentioned had overall better developments, I think. When will we see Zoro have an internal conflict and actual character development again?
5 - Sanji - His interation with Violet was short and funny but had a tremendous importance to the rest of the arc; he saved the Curly Brows and had the big badass confrontation against Big Mom's ship.
6 - Robin - Had a very nice performance throughout the arc, but the lack of a one-on-one fight or a specific chapter of focus (while Usopp and Franky had a few) stopped this from being her best arc to date (which says something about her role in this series... unfortunately.)
7 - Brook - Defeated Jora in a smart way, with a funny haiku to top it off
8 - Nami - Advised Luffy on the importance of the different pieces of the arc (SMILE factory, Caesar Crown and Momo), which contributed to the decision of sending away the Curly Brows. Other than that, she barely appeared on panel.
9 - Chopper - My favourite Straw Hat, relegated to a few cameos in the beginning of the arc...
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I mean is the joke/reference to a fleet in the new world/thus new world found by Columbus?
@LordEnel:
I mean is the joke/reference to a fleet in the new world/thus new world found by Columbus?
Yeah…pretty much
I just realized that Cabbage plus alcohol might not be a good idea.
@Galaxy:
as always, if you guys find any errors or have questions about the translation let us know.
as always, if you guys find any errors or have questions about the translation let us know.
Looks good!
You guys have spear and shield where both Panda and Stream have sword and shield. Any reason why?
Looks good!
You guys have spear and shield where both Panda and Stream have sword and shield. Any reason why?
This was the Kanji used for that section of the dialogue.
and here's our translator's input:
The literal word is spear. Despite the international cult of the katana, Japanese words for battle typically rely on the clash of shield and spear.
essentially, MP and MS both localised a wee bit.
Cool. That's kind of what I figured since you guys usually have the most literal translation. Interesting factoid about Japanese culture.
You think Brook put on a better show than Robin? I was valuing her for getting all super excited about her twice, even if the follow through was weaker.
I knew someone would ask about that lol. Yes. Brook actually beat Jora. Who did Robin defeat? Hell, whom did she even fight? No one. She protected Rebecca and that's all I recall seeing combat-wise. Outside of combat? I can't remember honestly. Robin just didn't stand out enough this arc to be memorable for me.
The rest I don't need to say, as it seems this post already covers my reasons -
@Chrior:
What can you think of for Nami? I only remember that moment of rationality with the 3 cards discussion… If so, I agree, but she was still only slightly less useless than Chopper this time around, although since they had good character development and emotional moments throughout Punk Hazard (the children plotline was almost exclusively made up for them to shine), I don't mind it as much. But I hope they get a good show in Zou.
If I have to rank the Straw Hats according to their performance this arc, I put it like this:
1 - Luffy - The star of the arc, as usual. Gear 4 is enough to explain why.
2 - Usopp - The way he gathered the courage to fight for people who he had no relation to, even after forgetting about Robin, against an opponent far stronger than him, was admirable; he became God Usopp, a 500 000 000 berry bounty head and had the amazing sniping feat.
3 - Franky - desa has explained why this was a great arc for Franky (another one, after FI and PH!)
4 - Zoro - His display against Pica was amazing in terms of scale and he had to think a little, but the above mentioned had overall better developments, I think. When will we see Zoro have an internal conflict and actual character development again?
5 - Sanji - His interation with Violet was short and funny but had a tremendous importance to the rest of the arc; he saved the Curly Brows and had the big badass confrontation against Big Mom's ship.
6 - Robin - Had a very nice performance throughout the arc, but the lack of a one-on-one fight or a specific chapter of focus (while Usopp and Franky had a few) stopped this from being her best arc to date (which says something about her role in this series... unfortunately.)
7 - Brook - Defeated Jora in a smart way, with a funny haiku to top it off
8 - Nami - Advised Luffy on the importance of the different pieces of the arc (SMILE factory, Caesar Crown and Momo), which contributed to the decision of sending away the Curly Brows. Other than that, she barely appeared on panel.
9 - Chopper - My favourite Straw Hat, relegated to a few cameos in the beginning of the arc...
Well said!
Yeah…pretty much
I may have tought it was just a quick homage, but i clipped only later, the new world is called "new world" lol
I don't know if someones already talked about this, but any ideas as to what's in the back of luffy's shirt?
http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy100/Alejandro_Diaz_Rodriguez/Untitled_zpspxnqazun.png
It's the Corrida Colosseum logo. Franky and Robin are wearing their brand as well.
So what if you think that?
Not big deal, just that i'm expert in shit. So, it's dissapointing when in a chapter not even a bad thing happens. And you can trust me, i'm expert.
Shining?
1-Usopp
2-Part of the 8000 of his crew.
I knew someone would ask about that lol. Yes. Brook actually beat Jora. Who did Robin defeat? Hell, whom did she even fight? No one. She protected Rebecca and that's all I recall seeing combat-wise. Outside of combat? I can't remember honestly. Robin just didn't stand out enough this arc to be memorable for me.
The rest I don't need to say, as it seems this post already covers my reasons -
Well said!
I don't want to argue but while Robin didn't have a full on dirty fight, the way she stopped Hakuba showed me everyone in his tournament block wasn't even worth Robin's time. We all want to see her give that big KO after a nice drawn out battle but the way she effortlessly stopped the man who one-shotted characters left and right was all the satisfaction I needed for this arc.
Brook putting down Joila/Jora was lame in comparison.
I don't know if someones already talked about this, but any ideas as to what's in the back of luffy's shirt?
http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy100/Alejandro_Diaz_Rodriguez/Untitled_zpspxnqazun.png
It does look a bull (with horns?) though…Not sure exactly on the logo...
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You summed it up really well, should post more.
Hehe thanks. I usually don't have much to add to the discussion, I just like to read people's opinions. Only when I feel I strongly disagree with something do I write (usually). I was even about to give up on that post because my browser crashed twice while I was writing that
I knew someone would ask about that lol. Yes. Brook actually beat Jora. Who did Robin defeat? Hell, whom did she even fight? No one. She protected Rebecca and that's all I recall seeing combat-wise. Outside of combat? I can't remember honestly. Robin just didn't stand out enough this arc to be memorable for me.
Robin beat Hakuba :ninja:
Robin beat Hakuba :ninja:
Yeah, at least Robin had her Hakuba moment. Who did chopper and nami beat after FI?Even Sanji beat that top commander of kaidou's crew, or low ranked guy from Kaidou's crew, don't know.
Hehe thanks. I usually don't have much to add to the discussion, I just like to read people's opinions. Only when I feel I strongly disagree with something do I write (usually). I was even about to give up on that post because my browser crashed twice while I was writing that
It's never a bad idea to copy the text a couple of times when writing longer posts.
Some users say they write wall posts in notepad and copy them here.
Or just use an addon that saves form data. Like Lazarus.
I don't want to argue but while Robin didn't have a full on dirty fight, the way she stopped Hakuba showed me everyone in his tournament block wasn't even worth Robin's time. We all want to see her give that big KO after a nice drawn out battle but the way she effortlessly stopped the man who one-shotted characters left and right was all the satisfaction I needed for this arc.
Brook putting down Joila/Jora was lame in comparison.
I'll have to go look at that, but yeah I guess that's somewhat impressive, though easy to overlook.
I'm going to copy/paste what I said on another site…complete with whom I was replying to on that site...as it shows a bit more info on my stance :
@Pharaoh:
@MD, on to Zou and time for Zoro to go all out.
I'm hoping Sanji is the one who goes all out. Zoro has Wano…hopefully. Wish I didn't have to pick one but honestly, out of the Strawhats the only ones who truly shined this arc were Luffy and Usopp. Makes me feel like I have a limit on who is allowed to shine.
Zoro and Franky did SOMETHING but ultimately dissapointed me. Brook at least beat Jora I suppose but that's undercut by her getting better. Don't get me started with how horrible SANJI, ROBIN, NAMI AND CHOPPER looked this arc...sigh.
Still, I overall had fun this arc and I am somewhat fond of it. But it could have been so much more for various reasons.
All of that copy/paste said, Brook beating Jora was undercut when Leo beat her later too...and there's also the fact he acted like the weakling trio when he was being cowardly about Big Mom, which felt out of character for me because he's not supposed to be like those 3. (He's a middle trio member along with Robin and Franky) so that was definitely dissapointing to see from Brook.
Robin beat Hakuba :ninja:
I wouldn't call that beating him, more like just holding him back. Credit where it's due but dont exagerate things.
Edit: Upon a second look at it, I'd say that's far from stating that Robin could ever defeat Hakuba. It even shows Cavendish regaining some control albeit briefly. I'd say she managed to hold him back and that's somewhat impressive. It's enough of a feat to be notable, but not enough of a feat to say she could "beat" him.
Robin basically made Hakuba tap out, that's as close to defeating an ally without hurting them as you could get. Just think of how Robin held Tashigi's sword to her neck? That's what Robin could have easily done with Hakuba but simply holding him down was enough for her. Hakuba was built up quite a bit with a cool back story told by a Vice Admiral, a nice high bounty, a great performance in the tournament, then he defeated Dellinger in an instant, the officer who was knocking out guys left and right! To top it of Barto assumed Robin wouldn't be able to handle Hakuba as she appeared unaware of his presence and in a single moment she put a stop to his super speed blitzing antics.
That was a major plus for me it's just yeah, she didn't make him bleed or break his bones.
Also Brook being afraid of things is completely in character. Be it ghosts, sea kings, roller coasters, etc, he was always somewhat of a frady cat just not on the level of Chopper, Nami and Usopp. I give him a pass for being afraid of Big Mom's crew.
Robin basically made Hakuba tap out, that's as close to defeating an ally without hurting them as you could get. Just think of how Robin held Tashigi's sword to her neck? That's what Robin could have easily done with Hakuba but simply holding him down was enough for her. Hakuba was built up quite a bit with a cool back story told by a Vice Admiral, a nice high bounty, a great performance in the tournament, then he defeated Dellinger in an instant, the officer who was knocking out guys left and right! To top it of Barto assumed Robin wouldn't be able to handle Hakuba as she appeared unaware of his presence and in a single moment she put a stop to his super speed blitzing antics.
That was a major plus for me it's just yeah, she didn't make him bleed or break his bones.
Also Brook being afraid of things is completely in character. Be it ghosts, sea kings, roller coasters, etc, he was always somewhat of a frady cat just not on the level of Chopper, Nami and Usopp. I give him a pass for being afraid of Big Mom's crew.
You made me think about the shining things we did a few pages ago, but based on allies and mingo family.
Here's my mingo family.
Doflamingo
Pika
Gladius
Diamante
Trebol
Dellinger
Lao G
Machivise
Senor Pink
Baby 5
Jora
Bufallo
Robin basically made Hakuba tap out, that's as close to defeating an ally without hurting them as you could get. Just think of how Robin held Tashigi's sword to her neck? That's what Robin could have easily done with Hakuba but simply holding him down was enough for her. Hakuba was built up quite a bit with a cool back story told by a Vice Admiral, a nice high bounty, a great performance in the tournament, then he defeated Dellinger in an instant, the officer who was knocking out guys left and right! To top it of Barto assumed Robin wouldn't be able to handle Hakuba as she appeared unaware of his presence and in a single moment she put a stop to his super speed blitzing antics.
That was a major plus for me it's just yeah, she didn't make him bleed or break his bones.
Also Brook being afraid of things is completely in character. Be it ghosts, sea kings, roller coasters, etc, he was always somewhat of a frady cat just not on the level of Chopper, Nami and Usopp. I give him a pass for being afraid of Big Mom's crew.
I'll concede on brook. But Robin being able to hold Hakuba doesn't mean she could clutch him or defeat him. You're overestimating her physical strength or underestimating his. He beat all of D Block and took down Dellinger, who was taking down people left and right.
Robin briefly restraining Hakuba doesn't necessarily mean she can restrain him for an extended period of time. We also don't know how much effort Hakuba put into escaping. Almost immediately after Hakuba was restrained, Cavendish was fighting back mentally against Hakuba.
@LordEnel:
You made me think about the shining things we did a few pages ago, but based on allies and mingo family.
Here's my mingo family.
Doflamingo
Pika
Gladius
Diamante
Trebol
Dellinger
Lao G
Machivise
Senor Pink
Baby 5
Jora
Bufallo
In terms of character Baby 5 and Señor Pink would rank much higher (and Machvise dead last) but in terms of competency this looks about right. I might push Señor Pink up a notch or two for fighting Franky to a near draw, albeit one with bizarre rules. To me, a near draw with Franky outweighs beating Boo and drawing with Hajrudin.