That can also be explained by corroding venom spreading and melting everything. Something a corroding venom does anyway. Just saying.
And I dont disagree with you. I just point out what feels most likely to be a paramecia awakening from arc when Awakened Zoan users were mentioned, perhaps Oda had just basic idea on it back then, now having more ideas on how to widen what Devil Fruits can do to keep them big boost in era of "CoA haki everywhere".
For all we know, the flag floor is his Awakening.
Doula Mongo was quite clear about what Awakening was.
It's not really about changing the environment, but rather using your abilities through the environment (my interpretation, at least).
And really, having different Awakenings for different Paramecias just sounds terribly complicated. What exactly would be an Awakening and what wouldn't?
I agree it would be really complicated if each paramecia has a different awakening. But if what you say "using your abilities through the environment" is true, then shouldn't the buildings produce strings rather than turning into strings? Doflamingo's body does not turn into string but it produces it right? So if you are using the abilities through environment then shouldnt the environment produce strings instead of turning itself into it? Take Mero Mero no mi for example, what do you think its awakening might be? Will people fall in love with the environment and turn to stone? Or something else? Too confusing lol…
I'm sure it's been stated by someone before, but if Awakening truly is just using an ability on their surroundings, wouldn't Buggy's "Awakening" be Law's fruit more-or-less? Hell just like Law he has a "room" that he can control his body parts in, if he did this on his surroundings it'd probably be confined to a similar space.
Yes, but Buggy wouldn't require slashing the air to separate things.
And Law's fruit is way more than just separating things.
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And I dont disagree with you. I just point out what feels most likely to be a paramecia awakening from arc when Awakened Zoan users were mentioned, perhaps Oda had just basic idea on it back then, now having more ideas on how to widen what Devil Fruits can do to keep them big boost in era of "CoA haki everywhere".
Following Doula's definition, Magellan's Awakening would be something like creating poison from his surroundings instead of his body.
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I agree it would be really complicated if each paramecia has a different awakening. But if what you say "using your abilities through the environment" is true, then shouldn't the buildings produce strings rather than turning into strings? Doflamingo's body does not turn into string but it produces it right? So if you are using the abilities through environment then shouldnt the environment produce strings instead of turning itself into it? Take Mero Mero no mi for example, what do you think its awakening might be? Will people fall in love with the environment and turn to stone? Or something else? Too confusing lol…
Hancock's ability consists of using her body to create beams and other heart-shaped projectile that petrifies any enemies that feel some sort of lust. She also can petrify through contact.
Essentially, her Awakening would allow her to create said projectiles from her environment or even turn the environment itself into a big petrifying zone (as her ability also involves contact, she would extend said contact to the environment around her) that would turn anybody into stone the moment they looked at her. It would be like one of those territory guys from Yu Yu Hakusho.
Yes, but Buggy wouldn't require slashing the air to separate things.
And Law's fruit is way more than just separating things.
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Following Doula's definition, Magellan's Awakening would be something like creating poison from his surroundings instead of his body.
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Hancock's ability consists of using her body to create beams and other heart-shaped projectile that petrifies any enemies that feel some sort of lust. She also can petrify through contact.
Essentially, her Awakening would allow her to create said projectiles from her environment or even turn the environment itself into a big petrifying zone (as her ability also involves contact, she would extend said contact to the environment around her) that would turn anybody into stone the moment they looked at her. It would be like one of those territory guys from Yu Yu Hakusho.
all of this is assuming that
A the awakenings arent unique to the individual (maybe same fruit with different person would have a diffreent awakening)
B all devil fruit awakening = alter world around you based on your devil fruit (his ability makes him a puppetmaster so maybe affecting the world like they are strings is because of that not because thats what awakening does to everything)
im not saying your wrong. Just that we need to realize we are making some assumptions with very little data.
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all of this is assuming that
A the awakenings arent unique to the individual (maybe same fruit with different person would have a diffreent awakening)
B all devil fruit awakening = alter world around you based on your devil fruit (his ability makes him a puppetmaster so maybe affecting the world like they are strings is because of that not because thats what awakening does to everything)im not saying your wrong. Just that we need to realize we are making some assumptions with very little data.
That post is an speculation of mine, but Doula Mongo's words are pretty much the best data we have now:
Doflamingo: Listen up, hatchling. Devil Fruit abilities… // ...have a whole other stage to them. It’s called “Awakening”!!!
Luffy: ?! // !! // Ahh!! The buildings turned into string!
Doflamingo: Very rarely, an ability will “awaken”, and begin to affect things other than the user’s own body!!!
Luffy: All kinds of things are turning into string!! / It’s like he’s not a Paramecia at all!!
cnet's translation. He essentially says that when an ability starts affecting other things besides the user's body (because all strings come from Doula's body), the ability has been awakened.
This is also true to every other DF in the series, even the ones that don't modify one's body structure like Luffy's or Buggy's. Robin can only clone parts of her body, Hancock and Foxy can only fire Mero Mero/Noro Noro beams from their bodies, Law's body is the only one that can operate when inside a Room… There's no DF out there that doesn't involve the user's body in some way.
Following Doula's definition, Magellan's Awakening would be something like creating poison from his surroundings instead of his body.
I dont know what definition do you mean - we only seen how Doflamingo uses his awakening, definition was created by you I think. We are yet to see how different paramecia awakenings look like. I just pointed out what feels/looks likely to be Magellans awakening, its not that I am certain of it or that you should be certain of any definition of devil fruit awakening just yet.
I do say, that if it was revealed that Magallen was an awakened devil fruit user, it wouldn't surprise me.
I dont know what definition do you mean - we only seen how Doflamingo uses his awakening, definition was created by you I think. We are yet to see how different paramecia awakenings look like. I just pointed out what feels/looks likely to be Magellans awakening, its not that I am certain of it or that you should be certain of any definition of devil fruit awakening just yet.
The biggest assumption here is that Paramecias have different Awakenings. Doula already provided a sort of general definition which is present in several translations.
There might be a miscommunication here and there, but right now there's no evidence that all Paramecias have different Awakenings.
The biggest assumption here is that Paramecias have different Awakenings. Doula already provided a sort of general definition which is present in several translations.
There might be a miscommunication here and there, but right now there's no evidence that all Paramecias have different Awakenings.
There's no definitive against either. Paramecia themselves aren't all the same as a logia.
We have logia able to, transform, create and control; all logias up to now has done this. However, with paramecia we have ppl who JUST transform (luffy) and ppl who JUST create and control (doffy) so there's already a difference. Is it possible they can all be the same? Sure, but with what we've had so far, them being different is possible also.
Sn: one that that always confused me was akainu making volcanoes on punk hazard when his power is magma. Magma /= volcanoes, so that being an awakening could be what happened. If so, it'll make a lot more sense.
There's no definitive against either.
Doula's words should have been at least decent evidence, but people ignore it for whatever reason.
Paramecia themselves aren't all the same as a logia.
We have logia able to, transform, create and control; all logias up to now has done this. However, with paramecia we have ppl who JUST transform (luffy) and ppl who JUST create and control (doffy) so there's already a difference. Is it possible they can all be the same? Sure, but with what we've had so far, them being different is possible also.
The simple fact that Doula creates strings from his body means that his body is different from a DF-less person. He doesn't just create strings out of nowhere (this is what his Awakening is for). The same goes for virtually every DF there, from the ones that just transform the body to the ones that just create stuff.
And really, if we had different Awakenings for every Paramecia, what exactly would be the difference between Awakening and a powerful move? Was Shadow Asgard an Awakening? Was Venom Demon an Awakening (or was it his Hydra move)? Ursa Shock? Robin's giant limbs? Because having all Awakenings at least follow the same logic makes it easier to identify them.
I wonder if Luffy can control the way enviroment stretches after he awakens, there's just endless possibilities after that. All I hope is that he doesn't change to a staff user.
Doula's words should have been at least decent evidence, but people ignore it for whatever reason.
all he said was that awakenings would basically let you affect the world around you, it doesnt say how it will so no, its not a definitive
The simple fact that Doula creates strings from his body means that his body is different from a DF-less person. He doesn't just create strings out of nowhere (this is what his Awakening is for). The same goes for virtually every DF there, from the ones that just transform the body to the ones that just create stuff.
And really, if we had different Awakenings for every Paramecia, what exactly would be the difference between Awakening and a powerful move? Was Shadow Asgard an Awakening? Was Venom Demon an Awakening (or was it his Hydra move)? Ursa Shock? Robin's giant limbs? Because having all Awakenings at least follow the same logic makes it easier to identify them.
i think you misunderstood what I was saying. DF users like Doffy (create and control) are for a lack of a better term, one type of a paramecia, or a subset, whichever you're more comfortable with. With his awakening, he was able to turn his surroundings into strings. another type (or subset) would be luffy (become/transform into) and so his awakening, with the already innately difference, could also be different than say, turning his surroundings into rubber. I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE DEVIL FRUIT has its own awakening. Just the different types (or subsets) have their own, i.e. all create and control awakenings will be similar or exactly like doffy, and all the become/transform would be similar or exactly like luffy (if/when he awakens).
Doula's words should have been at least decent evidence, but people ignore it for whatever reason.
The simple fact that Doula creates strings from his body means that his body is different from a DF-less person. He doesn't just create strings out of nowhere (this is what his Awakening is for). The same goes for virtually every DF there, from the ones that just transform the body to the ones that just create stuff.
And really, if we had different Awakenings for every Paramecia, what exactly would be the difference between Awakening and a powerful move? Was Shadow Asgard an Awakening? Was Venom Demon an Awakening (or was it his Hydra move)? Ursa Shock? Robin's giant limbs? Because having all Awakenings at least follow the same logic makes it easier to identify them.
You look a bit stubborn when it comes to "definition" - we gotten just general line on awakening. It might differ a bit for each devil fruit, lets just wait. That would be most resonable because as it is now we know about it even less than we knew about haki after Rayleigh explanation to Luffy few years ago.
For all we know, the flag floor is his Awakening.
It might be, but it would be kinda weird.
I mean the logical application of his power is that he can turn anything solid, flag-like, and anything flag-like, solid.
The flag floor falls perfectly within that original definition.
With Doffy, his power is to produce and manipulate strings, in the same way that Galdino produces/controls wax or Magellan produces/controls poison.
Turning the surrounding environment into strings seems to be a whole different kettle of fish that falls outside that original definition.
Suffice to say, I don't think awakenings for paramecias is as simple as "affecting the surrounding environment" when that particular definition seems to already fit in with the original definition of the powers of some paramecia class fruits.
…wow, I talked about definitions a lot.
Well if this awakening is getting the best out of the Devil Fruit, hasn't Luffy already awakened his Devil Fruit?? I mean Oda might have in store another Gear for Luffy but G2 G3 and G4 look like they are awakened forms of his devil fruit. He does't just stretch anymore. If awakening is connected to the local surroundings it makes no sense because Luffy would be able to turn everything to rubber but how is that efficient in battle??
Question, do you think it would make sense to change the poll by now?
I mean, we've known what Doffy's devil fruit is for over a year now.
Question, do you think it would make sense to change the poll by now?
I mean, we've known what Doffy's devil fruit is for over a year now.
I agre, next one what df has kaido.
i think you misunderstood what I was saying. DF users like Doffy (create and control) are for a lack of a better term, one type of a paramecia, or a subset, whichever you're more comfortable with. With his awakening, he was able to turn his surroundings into strings. another type (or subset) would be luffy (become/transform into) and so his awakening, with the already innately difference, could also be different than say, turning his surroundings into rubber. I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE DEVIL FRUIT has its own awakening. Just the different types (or subsets) have their own, i.e. all create and control awakenings will be similar or exactly like doffy, and all the become/transform would be similar or exactly like luffy (if/when he awakens).
Keep in mind that this whole Paramecia subset thing is completely made-up and does not exist in the manga at all. Also, there are certain Paramecia out there that can't create or transform or that can do both (Hawkins for example).
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It might be, but it would be kinda weird.
I mean the logical application of his power is that he can turn anything solid, flag-like, and anything flag-like, solid.
The flag floor falls perfectly within that original definition.
With Doffy, his power is to produce and manipulate strings, in the same way that Galdino produces/controls wax or Magellan produces/controls poison.
Turning the surrounding environment into strings seems to be a whole different kettle of fish that falls outside that original definition.
Suffice to say, I don't think awakenings for paramecias is as simple as "affecting the surrounding environment" when that particular definition seems to already fit in with the original definition of the powers of some paramecia class fruits.
…wow, I talked about definitions a lot.
But technically Doula is producing and manipulating strings with his Awakening. The only difference is from where he is producing said strings.
Following the same logic, Diamante would be able to turn any object around him into flags without needing to touch them in the first place (while his ability does already affect objects and the environment, he must do it through contact with his body. Doula has a similar limitation that allows him to only create strings from his body bar Awakening). Imagine him turning all enemy swords into flags and then manipulating them from a distance for example. That would be pretty much the ultimate use of his DF. It might not work as exactly as I said, but I think the general idea is somewhere in there.
Keep in mind that this whole Paramecia subset thing is completely made-up and does not exist in the manga at all.
It's not made up, and it's already implied as we've CLEARLY SEEN, there's a difference between Luffy's type of df and doffy's type of df, unless you're saying otherwise? They're both paramecia yes? Luffy becomes rubber, doffy doesn't become string so there's a difference yes? It's like you're saying The subset of animals are made up because the creator didn't tell us. Humans and dogs are animals but we clearly see they're different yes? Same situation between Luffy's type of paramecia and doffy's type of paramecia.
But technically Doula is producing and manipulating strings with his Awakening. The only difference is from where he is producing said strings.
Following the same logic, Diamante would be able to turn any object around him into flags without needing to touch them in the first place (while his ability does already affect objects and the environment, he must do it through contact with his body. Doula has a similar limitation that allows him to only create strings from his body bar Awakening). Imagine him turning all enemy swords into flags and then manipulating them from a distance for example. That would be pretty much the ultimate use of his DF.
Basically, this is where my interpretation boils down to: it's not about using your abilities in the environment, but rather allowing the environment to use your abilities. It might not work as exactly as I said, but I think the general idea is somewhere in there.
Ah, but then we have some other really odd paramecia type fruits that I really can't think of how they'd apply to that concept.
For example, Brook's Yomi Yomi no Mi.
How exactly is that kind of ability used by environment, as such?
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We've barely seen Hawkins fruit, but two types doesn't have to be the limit… Laws df powers are different, there could be another subset, he could be an outlier, oda could have messed up, none of which negates that there are differences among paramecias
For example, Brook's Yomi Yomi no Mi.
How exactly is that kind of ability used by environment, as such?
Brook plays a music and skeletons raises from the ground and start dancing.
Brook plays a music and skeletons raises from the ground and start dancing.
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Alright, two things about Artificial DF's.
Do you think someone could eat more than one, and could they also be "awakened"?
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...I'm gonna stick with maiden.
Alright, two things about Artificial DF's.
Do you think someone could eat more than one, and could they also be "awakened"?
No and Yes.
Judging by Law's proclamation about SMILE's having come from assimilating the patterns/lineage factors/whatever of DF's, I'm gonna assume that the same rules apply to them.
However, that's pure speculation.
It's not made up, and it's already implied as we've CLEARLY SEEN, there's a difference between Luffy's type of df and doffy's type of df, unless you're saying otherwise? They're both paramecia yes? Luffy becomes rubber, doffy doesn't become string so there's a difference yes? It's like you're saying The subset of animals are made up because the creator didn't tell us. Humans and dogs are animals but we clearly see they're different yes? Same situation between Luffy's type of paramecia and doffy's type of paramecia.
Yes, there is a difference, but the thing is that it doesn't matter. Oda never bothered dividing Paramecia into subsets like he does with Zoans, so as far he is concerned, there are no official Paramecia subsets (pretty much because Paramecia are already a "Miscellanous" category).
Diamante, for example, can become flags as well as turn other things into flags, unlike Luffy who can't turn other things into rubber, but by your logic they're both "transformation" type despite clear differences. Pica can transform and control stone, but can't create it. Wapol can also transform and create stuff, but in a completely different way from Pica. And then we have the fact that some abilities are active (Robin, Law) while others are passive (Luffy, Kuma). In the end, Paramecias are too broad in powers to be categorized into subsets because they're pretty just abilities that Oda thought would be useful to have in real life.
So yeah, it is made up or, at the very least, unnofficial.
We've barely seen Hawkins fruit, but two types doesn't have to be the limit… Laws df powers are different, there could be another subset, he could be an outlier, oda could have messed up, none of which negates that there are differences among paramecias
Oda didn't mess anything up. Logias create, control and become elements. Zoans become animals and are categorized according to the animal they represent. Paramecias are everything else. It's just that you're trying to make up categories.
Yes, there is a difference, but the thing is that it doesn't matter. Oda never bothered dividing Paramecia into subsets like he does with Zoans, so as far he is concerned, there are no official Paramecia subsets (pretty much because Paramecia are already a "Miscellanous" category).
Diamante, for example, can become flags as well as turn other things into flags, unlike Luffy who can't turn other things into rubber, but by your logic they're both "transformation" type despite clear differences. Pica can transform and control stone, but can't create it. Wapol can also transform and create stuff, but in a completely different way from Pica. And then we have the fact that some abilities are active (Robin, Law) while others are passive (Luffy, Kuma). In the end, Paramecias are too broad in powers to be categorized into subsets because they're pretty just abilities that Oda thought would be useful to have in real life.
So yeah, it is made up or, at the very least, unnofficial.
Oda didn't mess anything up. Logias create, control and become elements. Zoans become animals and are categorized according to the animal they represent. Paramecias are everything else. It's just that you're trying to make up categories.
Oda never bothered showing us luffy wiping his ass when he takes a shit either, or anyone for that matter. doesnt mean none of them dont. oda never showed us an awakened paramecia before two chapters ago, doesn't mean they didn't exist before either. Things can be implied and deduced from what is given. Luffy's "miscellaneous" type of df power is different from doffy's "miscellaneous" type of devil fruit power. its clearly shown among different paramecia users. so whether its "official" or not, there are implied subsets of paramecia devil fruit users.
i'll answer the rest when i get back to work.
Oda never bothered showing us luffy wiping his ass when he takes a shit either, or anyone for that matter. doesnt mean none of them dont. oda never showed us an awakened paramecia before two chapters ago, doesn't mean they didn't exist before either. Things can be implied and deduced from what is given. Luffy's "miscellaneous" type of df power is different from doffy's "miscellaneous" type of devil fruit power. its clearly shown among different paramecia users. so whether its "official" or not, there are implied subsets of paramecia devil fruit users.
i'll answer the rest when i get back to work.
But the thing is that it doesn't matter, implied or not. All DFs cause changes in one's body, including the create and control types. Magellan, for example, is immune to his own poison, which comes exclusively from his body. And people like Hancock and Foxy fire beams from their hands, not from nowhere. Those implied subsets you speak about would do nothing but add unnecessary complications in what should a very simple issue for the readers. What would be the point of separating Paramecias into subsets in the first place? The simple fact that Oda puts all those different abilities in a single, huge group implies that he wants to keep it simple (see? Implication and deduction).
The difference between your examples of Luffy wiping his ass and Awakening is that the latter is actually relevant to the plot and has potential for the future while the former is irrelevant. They're not the same thing.
Categorizing them into stuff like create and control or transformation doesn't work exactly because they're miscellaneous types and some of them overlap creation/control and transformation. Some creating and controlling powers do way more than just that (Perona, Hancock) while some transforming powers do way more than just that (Diamante). The powers are supposed to be varied and different. Really, you should learn what "miscellaneous" means.
But it does matter, and I'll show you why as it comes back to my original point.
Subset: a part of a larger group of related things
paramecias are a subset of devil fruits; they all have their related things which differ from a logia and zoan.
In the set of paramecia, we see a group of related paramecia devil fruits which can transform or turn into; that's a subset, the exact definition of a subset.
Why does it matter?
Our first showing of awakening(s) were that of zoans. They were said to have certain characteristics that are differently described and shown by doffy. So, from what's shown zoans and paramecia have different awakenings, which are subsets of devil fruits.
Among paramecias, there are powers that have similar power schemes: doffy, mr 3, Magellan etc. these individuals would then, if awakened, expected to have similar if not the same exact awakening. As such, individuals like Luffy, buffalo, baby 5, being similar and different from doffy and the others, has the possibility of a different type of awakening. and here lays my original point, the possibility that the subsets will have different awakenings.
To answer your previous post. Diamanté isnt of the same type as Luffy or doffy, in fact we've been shown another subset, as he and Gladius powers are similar, probably giolla(art lady) as well. Anything that doesn't fit in a subset doesn't have to, those are just miscellaneous. Speaking of, I know what the word means. I guess you missed my use of quotations as I wasn't truly implying they were miscellaneous. With users such as above that already affect the environment, their awakenings are probably different from Doffy as well.
If I missed anything, let me know.
But it does matter, and I'll show you why as it comes back to my original point.
Subset: a part of a larger group of related things
paramecias are a subset of devil fruits; they all have their related things which differ from a logia and zoan.
In the set of paramecia, we see a group of related paramecia devil fruits which can transform or turn into; that's a subset, the exact definition of a subset.Why does it matter?
Our first showing of awakening(s) were that of zoans. They were said to have certain characteristics that are differently described and shown by doffy. So, from what's shown zoans and paramecia have different awakenings, which are subsets of devil fruits.
Among paramecias, there are powers that have similar power schemes: doffy, mr 3, Magellan etc. these individuals would then, if awakened, expected to have similar if not the same exact awakening. As such, individuals like Luffy, buffalo, baby 5, being similar and different from doffy and the others, has the possibility of a different type of awakening. and here lays my original point, the possibility that the subsets will have different awakenings.To answer your previous post. Diamanté isnt of the same type as Luffy or doffy, in fact we've been shown another subset, as he and Gladius powers are similar, probably giolla(art lady) as well. Anything that doesn't fit in a subset doesn't have to, those are just miscellaneous. Speaking of, I know what the word means. I guess you missed my use of quotations as I wasn't truly implying they were miscellaneous. With users such as above that already affect the environment, their awakenings are probably different from Doffy as well.
If I missed anything, let me know.
Again, Oda does not care about those made-up subsets. The biggest proof of this is exactly the fact that Paramecias are just a big group.
Also, when you compare to Zoans, there's no evidence that Oda even thinks there is such a thing. The Ancient and Mythical subsets were introduced the moment a DF user of that category appeared. Paramecias, meanwhile, have been there since the start and nothing about Paramecia subsets was ever hinted or even spoken about. Even the concept of Awakening was introduced around 250 chapters ago.
And for all we know, Awakened Zoans can also affect the environment while Awakened Paramecias can also recover fast. In the end, we cannot discredit what both Crocodile and Doula Mongo said about Awakenings. If Doula says that Awakenings cause the environment to be affected, then we should believe it. He definitely did not single out an ability or subset, but rather spoke in a general way.
I understand that Paramecia DFs are all different and stuff, and that some are about creating and controlling while others are about transforming, but the problem is that none of that seems to mean anything going by how Oda treats all of that. That's why I said it doesn't matter.
And really it's not hard to think of potential for Awakenings that "transformation" DF users could have that could easily follow the Ito Ito no Mi's logic. Baby 5 would be able to make weapons pop out of walls, floor or any other surface around around her, Buffalo could make objects besides him spin or create fans and windmills on the surrounding environment, Luffy could make other objects stretch at will… do you have any other ideas of what their Awakenings could be?
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Ah, but then we have some other really odd paramecia type fruits that I really can't think of how they'd apply to that concept.
For example, Brook's Yomi Yomi no Mi.
How exactly is that kind of ability used by environment, as such?
Brook uses his ability to manipulate his own soul, so the Ito Ito logic would be manipulation of other souls around him.
Theoretically, he could allow other corpses to be revived (Return of Zombie Night!) or even freeze the whole area around him.
Do you guys think if Oda could, he would go back in time and change DFs? The main 3 are Paramecia, Zoans, and Logias but Zoans really need a overhaul or something imo.
They just …suck. I love animals, but I just find them boring imo.
I really hope they expand more on them during the Kaido arc, but with smile they just became fodder weapons. The only interesting Zoans will be from Kaido himself (if he has one) and his crew (if they have some).
Awakening Zoans are mindless beasts, I have yet to see a zoan cause as much destruction as Logias, Some paramecias, haki, etc. The only hope seems to be mythical zoans
Do you guys think if Oda could, he would go back in time and change DFs? The main 3 are Paramecia, Zoans, and Logias but Zoans really need a overhaul or something imo.
They just …suck. I love animals, but I just find them boring imo.
I really hope they expand more on them during the Kaido arc, but with smile they just became fodder weapons. The only interesting Zoans will be from Kaido himself (if he has one) and his crew (if they have some).
Awakening Zoans are mindless beasts, I have yet to see a zoan cause as much destruction as Logias, Some paramecias, haki, etc. The only hope seems to be mythical zoans
i kinda agree with you….
i think it will depend on how cool or interesting he makes the hybrid forms of said zoans going forward. OH and what crazy object will eat weird animal fruits
Do you guys think if Oda could, he would go back in time and change DFs? The main 3 are Paramecia, Zoans, and Logias but Zoans really need a overhaul or something imo.
They just …suck. I love animals, but I just find them boring imo.
Well, what else were you expecting from animals besides animal abilities? At least Oda tried making the Zoan class stronger with Ancient and Mythical Zoans.
Do you guys think if Oda could, he would go back in time and change DFs? The main 3 are Paramecia, Zoans, and Logias but Zoans really need a overhaul or something imo.
They just …suck. I love animals, but I just find them boring imo.
I really hope they expand more on them during the Kaido arc, but with smile they just became fodder weapons. The only interesting Zoans will be from Kaido himself (if he has one) and his crew (if they have some).
Awakening Zoans are mindless beasts, I have yet to see a zoan cause as much destruction as Logias, Some paramecias, haki, etc. The only hope seems to be mythical zoans
Zoans are great because they keep good ol' fashioned hand to hand combat a very relevant part of the series. Before Lucci, Kaku and Jyabura, Zoans just seemed completely outclassed(and in a way they are and even characters in the story see it that way). Sure a few of them do offer extra abilities like shooting poison, strange god like shock waves and who knows what else but old fashioned fists, feet, teeth and claws make for really interesting and brutal fights when you have them next to ice and laser beams. The variety is absolutely necessary I think.
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Brook uses his ability to manipulate his own soul, so the Ito Ito logic would be manipulation of other souls around him.
Theoretically, he could allow other corpses to be revived (Return of Zombie Night!) or even freeze the whole area around him.
Which interestingly Brook seems to have learnt how to do. Though he says he's discovered the true power of his DF, not awakened it which implies there's a final step to it. Maybe it's a self-imposed limitation.
What would happen if you look all the logias, put them into a big vat, made them become their element and stirred them until they were some seamless liquidish material? Then what would happen if, after a couple hours sitting like that, they all tried to solidify? Would they be like some giant monster with many heads, arms, etc or one giant head/body that was an amalgamation of all of them?
This is exactly what I would ask oda in one of those Q&A sessions.
Zoans are great because they keep good ol' fashioned hand to hand combat a very relevant part of the series. Before Lucci, Kaku and Jyabura, Zoans just seemed completely outclassed(and in a way they are and even characters in the story see it that way). Sure a few of them do offer extra abilities like shooting poison, strange god like shock waves and who knows what else but old fashioned fists, feet, teeth and claws make for really interesting and brutal fights when you have them next to ice and laser beams. The variety is absolutely necessary I think.
The series is already punchy. Look at Luffy. It doesn't help that the regular animals seem much much much more powerful than the zoans we've seen so far. Heck, a lion and a bull were both fighting in the coliseum lol. You can literally count the number of zoans introduced post time skip with your hands , before the smiles start showing up of course.
The series is already punchy. Look at Luffy. It doesn't help that the regular animals seem much much much more powerful than the zoans we've seen so far. Heck, a lion and a bull were both fighting in the coliseum lol. You can literally count the number of zoans introduced post time skip with your hands , before the smiles start showing up of course.
I like it when regular animals can beat people up in this manga. As powerful as the humans are even with their powers, nature should naturally have the advantage in raw power. I'm not really sure what your getting at though. Do you just think Zoans should be more powerful? CP9, Marco, Sengoku, Pekoms, Drake and possibly Kaido certainly satisfy me with just their status in the story alone. They give a little enhancement to fist fights visually and according to Chopper fit those styles of fighting better.
When Luffy had just been defeated by Aokiji, I remember thinking the majority of the big bads were just going to be more of the same. We had just come from Crocodile and Eneru before that, characters who used some form of "energy projection" for fighting. I began to wonder if there would be any hand to hand fighters that could go toe to toe with Luffy with out shooting beams everywhere. Zoans may not be as flashy but they offer a nice balance in terms how fights are portrayed.
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I like it when regular animals can beat people up in this manga. As powerful as the humans are even with their powers, nature should naturally have the advantage in raw power. I'm not really sure what your getting at though. Do you just think Zoans should be more powerful? CP9, Marco, Sengoku, Pekoms, Drake and possibly Kaido certainly satisfy me with just their status in the story alone. They give a little enhancement to fist fights visually and according to Chopper fit those styles of fighting better.
When Luffy had just been defeated by Aokiji, I remember thinking the majority of the big bads were just going to be more of the same. We had just come from Crocodile and Eneru before that, characters who used some form of "energy projection" for fighting. I began to wonder if there would be any hand to hand fighters that could go toe to toe with Luffy with out shooting beams everywhere. Zoans may not be as flashy but they offer a nice balance in terms how fights are portrayed.
I just want Zoans to be more unique you know? Like I said I love animals, but I feel like Zoans should have been more than that. I wanted zoans to be transformations into either creatures or objects or heck even vehicles.
For example, I think it would be very creative for there to be a Fortress/Castle fruit. Someone like San Juan can turn into a big ass Castle. Would it be good for combat? No but it would be great for protecting valuable items or even other rare fruits. Someone can turn into a fighter jet and rain down hell. Awakening can make a a squadron appear or even a stealth bomber. Obviously it wont look like a real life one, but Oda can work his magic to make it look like something from One Piece lol.
Heck Pluton could have been a DF that turns someone into a Warship. The destruction one could cause with that could rival even a logia.
Someone can turn into a Golem, a Statue lol. Heck, I would love for there to be people who turn into robots and cyborgs and androids, and they could do a real docking and become a Gundam lol. Would it take away some punchieness? Yeah but there's still plenty of it.
Baby 5 would have been a great zoan. I just want to see more Zoans. We'll get some during the Kaido arc, but I want to see just how powerful they can truly be lol. All my opinion of course
I just want Zoans to be more unique you know? Like I said I love animals, but I feel like Zoans should have been more than that. I wanted zoans to be transformations into either creatures or objects or heck even vehicles.
For example, I think it would be very creative for there to be a Fortress/Castle fruit. Someone like San Juan can turn into a big ass Castle. Would it be good for combat? No but it would be great for protecting valuable items or even other rare fruits. Someone can turn into a fighter jet and rain down hell. Awakening can make a a squadron appear or even a stealth bomber. Obviously it wont look like a real life one, but Oda can work his magic to make it look like something from One Piece lol.
Heck Pluton could have been a DF that turns someone into a Warship. The destruction one could cause with that could rival even a logia.
Someone can turn into a Golem, a Statue lol. Heck, I would love for there to be people who turn into robots and cyborgs and androids, and they could do a real docking and become a Gundam lol. Would it take away some punchieness? Yeah but there's still plenty of it.
Baby 5 would have been a great zoan. I just want to see more Zoans. We'll get some during the Kaido arc, but I want to see just how powerful they can truly be lol. All my opinion of course
Aside from turning into fighter jets don't we have these things already? Capone with the fortress/castle fruit, Pica as the Golem and a couple robotic people? I don't know for sure but I believe the word Zoan is derived from some sort of animal meaning so that would explain why Zoans don't turn into anything but animals. I suppose either the animals get stronger or you get zanier Paramecia.
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I just realized if there was a fruit that could generate other fruits, it would be called the Fruit Fruit Fruit.
Aside from turning into fighter jets don't we have these things already? Capone with the fortress/castle fruit, Pica as the Golem and a couple robotic people? I don't know for sure but I believe the word Zoan is derived from some sort of animal meaning so that would explain why Zoans don't turn into anything but animals. I suppose either the animals get stronger or you get zanier Paramecia.
Yeah I figured Zoans was a word for animals or something. We see similar fruits all the time tho. Mr 5. And Gladius, Machvise and littlefinger or whatever her name was. Capone just puts people inside him. What I was talking about was someone turning Into one. It could have traps, cannons, it's own minions, etc. Zoro worst enemy would be someone with a maze fruit lol.
I would like to see Titans as well, from Greek mythology. Someone can be that ice golem from Hercules, etc.
I thought I read somewhere that Oda always wanted to do a mech manga? Im sure when Vegapunk is finally shown he can probably have some custom made fruits of his own.
If I gave a character the Iron Iron Devil fruit what sort of uses could a character use for it? And I mean Iron as is on hot iron not the metal. It's just I was trying to think of what some wierd powers you could get from a devil fruit and this one struck me more for some reason.
I kind of like the wierder ones. They can often times be the most amusing and dangerous. Say something like the ermmm Pen Pen Fruit (I'm just looking at random objects here) or the Bag Bag Fruit or the Curtain Curtain fruit or the Vinegar Vinegar fruit.
I think a bag bag fruit can be pretty good. I remember someone from Hunter x hunter had something similar where he could store pretty much anything he wanted
The string string fruit is pretty much the closest thing to omnipotence in this story so far. I'd love to have it. I can cut apples with my strings if I don't have a knife on me. I can stitch up my insides if I get into a car accident that scrambles up my organs. I can surround my city with bird cage and use parasite to make everyone kill each other just in case I need this ridiculous unstoppable ability. I can fly because strings let people fly right? I can awaken to turn pretty much everything around me into strings because that's what strings do right? They turn objects into strings, yes that's what strings do. Yes strings can amputate a giant's leg right? Yes it can. Strings can also destroy asteroids falling to the earth at probably over 48000 km/hr. Best of all, this power lets me make up complete bullshit abilities on the spot to fit any situation I want.
The string string fruit is pretty much the closest thing to omnipotence in this story so far. I'd love to have it. I can cut apples with my strings if I don't have a knife on me. I can stitch up my insides if I get into a car accident that scrambles up my organs. I can surround my city with bird cage and use parasite to make everyone kill each other just in case I need this ridiculous unstoppable ability. I can fly because strings let people fly right? I can awaken to turn pretty much everything around me into strings because that's what strings do right? They turn objects into strings, yes that's what strings do. Yes strings can amputate a giant's leg right? Yes it can. Strings can also destroy asteroids falling to the earth at probably over 48000 km/hr. Best of all, this power lets me make up complete bullshit abilities on the spot to fit any situation I want.
Did Jolyne from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure even come close to that? If you even read that manga lol
Did Jolyne from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure even come close to that? If you even read that manga lol
I never got to part 4. I only read/watched to part 3. Jotaro's star platinum is pretty hax especially at the end but at least he doesn't poop out random stand abilities.
The string string fruit is pretty much the closest thing to omnipotence in this story so far. I'd love to have it. I can cut apples with my strings if I don't have a knife on me. I can stitch up my insides if I get into a car accident that scrambles up my organs. I can surround my city with bird cage and use parasite to make everyone kill each other just in case I need this ridiculous unstoppable ability. I can fly because strings let people fly right? I can awaken to turn pretty much everything around me into strings because that's what strings do right? They turn objects into strings, yes that's what strings do. Yes strings can amputate a giant's leg right? Yes it can. Strings can also destroy asteroids falling to the earth at probably over 48000 km/hr. Best of all, this power lets me make up complete bullshit abilities on the spot to fit any situation I want.
Seeing how hax the fruit is I'm surprise Dofla didn't use the obvious string armor.
I never got to part 4. I only read/watched to part 3. Jotaro's star platinum is pretty hax especially at the end but at least he doesn't poop out random stand abilities.
Im actually talking about Part 6 lol. Dont tell me I got her name wrong?
