We will probably have the whole crew in one arc by then too.
Yeah, by the tea party everybody should be together already (the tea party is in 2 days in the One Piece World = 2 years in the real world)
2D2Y :ninja:
We will probably have the whole crew in one arc by then too.
Yeah, by the tea party everybody should be together already (the tea party is in 2 days in the One Piece World = 2 years in the real world)
2D2Y :ninja:
Wait, Darth was banned for his "attitude"? He was pretty respectable to others, in fact, from what I've seen other members are the ones that start shit with him.
If attitude gets you banned, why isn't Cyan-whatshisface and Monkey D. King were banned? I mean, not that I would ban them if I were an admin, but if we're gonna start banning people for their attitude, those would be on top of my list.Unless by "attitude" you don't mean being an jerk, but "he keeps owning us in debates!", then yeah, I could see why you would ban Darth.
By owning in debates do you mean never backing down from his constant bickering? If so, yes I agree. Not sure why there are so many rallying for him, he wasn't banned without reason…he was a poisonous, toxic poster that brought it upon everyone, regardless of how "well formulated" his arguments were.
I think we need to also be on the fence because you never know what the next chapter will spell out on his true feelings towards his crew. But I think how he shows affections towards others is rooted in selfishness and his own twisted morality.
I don't think he will get redeemed but I do eventually think he will live to see another day and reflect on his own actions especially concerning the issue of killing his own brother. For many people note that he actually took little pleasure in doing it.
Fujitora would be pleased if he put a Shichibukai and a former world noble into prison. I hope Dofla stays there forever. Sadly even Level 6 Impel down isn't safe for escape sometimes. Another worse example is Crocodile, that asshole.
Fujitora would be pleased if he put a Shichibukai and a former world noble into prison. I hope Dofla stays there forever. Sadly even Level 6 Impel down isn't safe for escape sometimes. Another worse example is Crocodile, that asshole.
Its no wonder why Doffy wanted to team up with Crocodile because they are two peas in a pod when it comes to the amount of atrocities they've done.
Let's see:
-Kaido: Law and X-Drake
-Big Mom: Hawkings, Kidd and Appo
-Shanks: ….I guess Luffy will be the main character again when he finds Shanks.
Shanks: Urouge, Capone, Bonnie
^ That would be enough lol
I think it would be cool if the other straw hats on the Sunny have half the Zo arc to themselves. We can see Law's crew interact without their captain and see them work with the straw hats for whatever pops up in the arc. I can't see Law going to Wano or being in the Kaido conflict. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he not interested in the One Piece? I would imagine he'll just go off and do his own thing.
Yeah I can't wait to see the other Strawhats! It's been way too long haha I miss them! I wouldn't mind them having half the Zou (is it Zo??) arc to themselves, that'd be pretty fun for me.
I think Law's sole reason for existence was to kill Doflamingo, so One Piece was never his motivation, I don't know where he goes from here. But then again he might just want to help Luffy become Pirate King now that he doesn't have anything better to do, who knows. It'll be interesting to see.
I agree he won't come all the way to Wano, Law doesn't have anything to do with that whole plot, I think.
Perish the thought.
So, do we think that Trebol is down after this chapter? Or will he prove more durable than that?
He's down and unconsious. It'd be redundant to keep him awake any longer since he's been beaten by now.
@Razh:
Durability is for the good guys and the main boss of the arc.
Having him actually fight after getting damaged so much would be like giving out charity to him. Too little, too late. Too think how long the match up predictions lasted. I'm pretty sure there was nobody who said "Law will wound him, and then he'll do what Deidara did against Sasuke, with similar results".
Accurate description. Though ironic while Law is getting as overpowered as Sasuke, that was one if the few fights that Sasuke was just legitimately using skill to win (well aside from how he survived at the end by using Manda)
@Zar:
Thanks. I like trying to think up how could this have been done scenarios.
Most importantly I would LOVE to see Robin use equipment. She could fire off a hundred guns at once, create clones to sword fight with her, or have them wear armor to fool the enemy into thinking there's more than one person there, or even sprout several arms on herself in shiva-fashion. Her background as a survivor, assassin and psuedo-revolutionary should guarantee that she has at least basic knowledge of most fighting skills. It's sad we've never seen that possibility explored yet.
I get that one of her biggest appeals is how she uses her body for fighting, but I'd love to see it used in more ways. I adore her powers (quite possibly one of my all-time favorites) after all.
You're quite welcome! It was clever usage of her powers and fit with something Oda would do for one of the male fighters if they had her abilities. I felt like I was reading a plot synopsis for a real chapter of One piece.
@Jazo:
Well him defeating Trebol was just for the sake of evening the field. Now we'll probably get a proper 1v1, although I actually wouldn't mind if Law was the one to defeat Doffy. But at this point another inteference from Law would be too much.
agreed. Thus needs to be Luffy vs Doflamingo and nothing more….well aside from that I want to see Sabo fighting Burgess to justify why he's been gone so long or something. Might be alot cooler if Burgess has been doing something really big from behind the scenes all this time that had nothing to do with Sabo or the main fights tho...yeah let's hope he does that and have it happen after Doffy has been beaten.
Shanks: Urouge, Capone, Bonnie
^ That would be enough lol
Capone has been kidnapped by some aliens and Bonnie seems to have some sort of history with BB. Urouge it is.
Its no wonder why Doffy wanted to team up with Crocodile because they are two peas in a pod when it comes to the amount of atrocities they've done.
Yeah, and that's what I fear. Croco was set free two times and suddenly had a "Dream". Can't stand this BS another time, I think.
Your voice in GOdas ear. But think about it. "He was just a kid." "And in the end he cared for his men." Enel didn't even care for his people. Did he actually killed someone?
Doula? He killed his father and brother. And the former was for selfish reasons.
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Yeah, and that's what I fear. Croco was set free two times and suddenly had a "Dream". Can't stand this BS another time, I think.
Biggest difference between Doula and Crocodile is that the latter still has an unknown past. Same for Enel.
Doula, however, has no excuse.
Biggest difference between Doula and Crocodile is that the latter still has an unknown past. Same for Enel.
Doula, however, has no excuse.
The thing is, when you kill people, you have to end in jail. No matter what.
The thing is, when you kill people, you have to end in jail. No matter what.
Sakazuki also killed people. A lot, in fact.
X-Drake's only weakness is Fujitora.
I'll go back in my corner.
Lol, I see what you did there.
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Sakazuki also killed people. A lot, in fact.
I was speaking about major bad guys who will be (Doffy), or were (all the others), put down by Luffy in the open, seen in public.
The thing is, when you kill people, you have to end in jail. No matter what.
Enel and Crocodile didn't kill any named characters. We don't even know if Crocodile killed somebody.
Heck, even Arlong who kinda has an excuse for his actions is currently rotting in jail as he killed Bell-mére.
Enel and Crocodile didn't kill any named characters. We don't even know if Crocodile killed somebody.
Heck, even Arlong who kinda has an excuse for his actions is currently rotting in jail as he killed Bell-mére.
Enel still destroyed his hometwon.
I dont know, I personally like the fact that Oda is mixing other people especially Supernova in the general story and we dont just get to see SH's and X enemies arcs. Yes it does brings out the complexity of following all of them, yes it does mean that some of the glory will be taken off from SH's and yes it does mean less "screen" time for them but out of all the problems of Dressrosa, it being a bit too complex and too big and Oda having harder time to manage it all, isnt something I mind that much. Some of other things and the way he has handled them, that I do
I am personally dying to learn more about other Supernovas and would like to see some if not all of them on SH's side fighting against the power houses currently in place.
Enel and Crocodile didn't kill any named characters. We don't even know if Crocodile killed somebody.
Heck, even Arlong who kinda has an excuse for his actions is currently rotting in jail as he killed Bell-mére.
Hm, maybe you're right. Those three destroyed so many unknown lifes indirectly, but killing people for real like Dofla is going too far. Two of them are free at the moment and Arlong ruined some main characters life. So Dofla is really finished, cool.
I can see that. It was mentioned quite a bit that his fruit is taxing on his stamina and he was at his limit a few times. In the end it doesn't really bother me and it made for some cool scenes.
I think it would be cool if the other straw hats on the Sunny have half the Zo arc to themselves. We can see Law's crew interact without their captain and see them work with the straw hats for whatever pops up in the arc. I can't see Law going to Wano or being in the Kaido conflict. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he not interested in the One Piece? I would imagine he'll just go off and do his own thing.
As much as if like that,I don't know if it'll quite go that way. They're fighting off Big Mom, sure. But a beginning of an arc with just them? Sounds a little too good to be true.
I dont know, I personally like the fact that Oda is mixing other people especially Supernova in the general story and we dont just get to see SH's and X enemies arcs. Yes it does brings out the complexity of following all of them, yes it does mean that some of the glory will be taken off from SH's and yes it does mean less "screen" time for them but out of all the problems of Dressrosa, it being a bit too complex and too big and Oda having harder time to manage it all, isnt something I mind that much. Some of other things and the way he has handled them, that I do
I am personally dying to learn more about other Supernovas and would like to see some if not all of them on SH's side fighting against the power houses currently in place.
I like the concept if having the Supernovas and new Strawhats allies in the form of the colosseum fighters… but the execution of all of that so far bugs me in some areas...
May i assume that Chaos is the result of CoC?
Appears CoA doesn't affect things that have eaten devil fruits.
Shit of a flashback.
I think it would be cool if the other straw hats on the Sunny have half the Zo arc to themselves. We can see Law's crew interact without their captain and see them work with the straw hats for whatever pops up in the arc. I can't see Law going to Wano or being in the Kaido conflict. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he not interested in the One Piece? I would imagine he'll just go off and do his own thing.
That would be so so good. I'm already imagining it. A smaller arc, with smaller villains, where the earlier parts involve mostly the Swirlybrow Pirates joining with the Heart Pirates and facing the enemies on their own. Sanji, Chopper and Nami (and Brook too, but not so much, I think) really need some focus. They didn't show anything special in FI nor PH and left Dressrosa soon. Although Nami had a few good character moments in both arcs, with forgiving Jinbe and taking the children. But these 4 need more spotlight just like Franky, Zoro and Usopp (and Robin a little bit, but could have been more) had this arc. I also miss Ceaser a lot. That guy was damn funny. And we also don't know what's the deal with Momo. Why was he so important to Doffy, to the point where he was considered one of the "3 cards" along with the factory and CC? I just reread Dressrosa (enjoyed it, btw) and it was good to bring some plot points back to my memory, with Momo and the 4th samurai sticking out.
Back to Dressrosa, we're 3 to 5 chapters away from the end of volume 78. I guess Oda wants to finish the final fight right at the end of the volume, so I'd say… 4 chapters until Doffy takes the final blow. Hope to see more of what we've seen these past 2 chapters in terms of 1v1 combat and have a great last fight here. I guess that double spread with Law's arm's attack meant the end of Trebol, and the explosion will knock Law out, at least. Only the Sabo/Burgess situation and the boss himself left in these 4 chapters, along with some inevitable "omg the birdcage is closing in to kill us all" panels. Any guesses on which finisher Luffy will pull here?
EDIT: If there was one thing that seemed really wrong when rereading the arc was Cora-san saying "Don't be stupid, it's not magic!" when Law was trying to heal him by saying "Heal! Heal!" and some chapters later we get Mansherry's powers revealed and they're exactly that! Ugh :getlost:
I don't like it but it seems that Doflamingo is partly a product of his enviroment. With the last chap Oda goes in this direction. First the World Nobles and their influence and then some underworld criminals.
I can see it already. The atonement of Doffy in the next Coverstory. Corazon in comparison, with his completely kind heart, died and Doffy, someone that was depraved from the beginning, lives. Seen that before in this manga.
Rocinante Exist to disprove that, he was raised by the same people with the same experiences, both in marijoa and whatever backwater town they ended, and when presented with the chance to kill his father who actualy did it?
After luffy beats doffy, instead of kaido wrecking him, i would prefer to see blackbeard handle joker, join me or die zehahahahahahahha. As for the kaido hype, should'nt sabo fans be more worried than jokers? I mean, after doffy is beaten, there aŕe mabe twice the amount of people who want him dead than those looking to him for buisness.
And of the people who want doffy dead quite a few will be able to do that moreso to a doffy unconcious. Now why should sabo be worried, the revolutionaries might have been intrigued as to why they felt like they sent people to dressorosa and had no memory of, but the objective was always weapons. The same weapon trafficking that the happo navy and prodence kingdom and who knows who else in addition to the revolutionaries were seeking out.
Funny enough one of Kaido' favorite islands turns out to have a weapon factory, the same Kaido who is known by us and some of the brokers and prying ears ala (Law) most likely learned of or knew ala Jack( the guy who probably freed Jewellry Bonney). Kaido is doing buisness with joker, is his cut of said buisness weapons or money? Why did Gaburu have to die? Why did Drake have to step in after Caribou swallowed factory. Drake the name that constantly keeps popping up along with blackbeard, kid, law, the big guns first of the supernovas and now worst generation. What could drake possibly have done, is doing to earn him such notoriety, especially as so many speculates that he has become a subordinate of the beast kaido. Sabo when he introduced him self to Rebecca hinted if not outright declared that their objective was the weapons fueling wars all over the world. With Fujitora, and and all the players present on Dressorosa, im wondering will they allow Fujitora to just arrest him? Will Law be content with just a beating or will he pull that trigger? Is there any capable player who would try to make use of the chaos, to take out doffy, like Kaido tried with Whitebeard? And how likely it is for kaido and sabo to clash? Luffy aims to take out all the yonko, but honestly the arc with Kaido i don't see till after Big Mom. Kaido has not been introduced. Luffy always fight big bads for some personal reasons. Big Mom has been threatened. She has been introduced. She has entered into conflict with the strawhats via her subordinates. And it will soon get personal with i believe Jimbei. Strawhats members always seem to be involved in some form of trouble that Luffy ultimately helps out. Frees. Which is why it puzzles me why he is gonna set Law free, and what a monster he(Law) will be when that psychological hurdle is cleared (Joker). When that man(Broker on Punk Harzard) said if Jack gets involved shit is gonna hit the fan i wonder for who this shit would hit? I look forward to finding out how Blackbeard will benefit from this chaos. All i know after this arc there is gonna be chaos, and its only going to spiral more turbulantly after that. Law hates world government. People say he is going to be goalless, could his goals have any chance with Joker still operating? What throne is he after to steal? And where do people see ceasar, ending up? Will there be anything between vegapunk, law and cesaer? Trafalgar law Op's mastermind. Blackbeard, luffy and buggy Op's lucky trio.
You people are amazing you read all of that, if you did'nt and just scrolled down you must be feeling smart ha?
What does the forum think of this?
Rocinante Exist to disprove that, he was raised by the same people with the same experiences, both in marijoa and whatever backwater town they ended, and when presented with the chance to kill his father who actualy did it?
Well, he half disproves it in my opinion because Rocianante was taken in by the marines.
Sakazuki also killed people. A lot, in fact.
Don't worry, he will eventually end up in jail too.
Don't worry, he will eventually end up in jail too.
He's going to be harder to put in jail because right now he is the Fleet Admiral.
Well, parts of what you said feel like filler but I guess I can reply :p
After luffy beats doffy, instead of kaido wrecking him, i would prefer to see blackbeard handle joker, join me or die zehahahahahahahha. As for the kaido hype, should'nt sabo fans be more worried than jokers? I mean, after doffy is beaten, there aŕe mabe twice the amount of people who want him dead than those looking to him for buisness.
It's highly unlikely Blackbeard will appear in person. Most likely if any thing, Burgess might do something big. I've stated that as a possibility earlier myself, actually.
And of the people who want doffy dead quite a few will be able to do that moreso to a doffy unconcious. Now why should sabo be worried, the revolutionaries might have been intrigued as to why they felt like they sent people to dressorosa and had no memory of, but the objective was always weapons. The same weapon trafficking that the happo navy and prodence kingdom and who knows who else in addition to the revolutionaries were seeking out.
Funny enough one of Kaido' favorite islands turns out to have a weapon factory, the same Kaido who is known by us and some of the brokers and prying ears ala (Law) most likely learned of or knew ala Jack( the guy who probably freed Jewellry Bonney). Kaido is doing buisness with joker, is his cut of said buisness weapons or money? Why did Gaburu have to die?
Who was Gaburu again?
Why did Drake have to step in after Caribou swallowed factory. Drake the name that constantly keeps popping up along with blackbeard, kid, law, the big guns first of the supernovas and now worst generation.
There's no way of really knowing but I too am curious to see what Drake was doing. Clearly he attacked one of Kaido's men in order to join him but why? What is Drakes motovation? I'm sure these are things we'll find out sooner or later though.
What could drake possibly have done, is doing to earn him such notoriety, especially as so many speculates that he has become a subordinate of the beast kaido. Sabo when he introduced him self to Rebecca hinted if not outright declared that their objective was the weapons fueling wars all over the world. With Fujitora, and and all the players present on Dressorosa, im wondering will they allow Fujitora to just arrest him?
Good point. There will be chaos once Doffy has been beaten. Think of this: not only because of people wanting to kill or capture him..but because of his influence all over the world. This will be the most influential person Luffy has ever beaten… that can't be done lightly.
! > Will Law be content with just a beating or will he pull that trigger? Is there any capable player who would try to make use of the chaos, to take out doffy, like Kaido tried with Whitebeard? And how likely it is for kaido and sabo to clash? Luffy aims to take out all the yonko, but honestly the arc with Kaido i don't see till after Big Mom. Kaido has not been introduced. Luffy always fight big bads for some personal reasons. Big Mom has been threatened. She has been introduced. She has entered into conflict with the strawhats via her subordinates. And it will soon get personal with i believe Jimbei. Strawhats members always seem to be involved in some form of trouble that Luffy ultimately helps out. Frees.
! Which is why it puzzles me why he is gonna set Law free, and what a monster he(Law) will be when that psychological hurdle is cleared (Joker). When that man(Broker on Punk Harzard) said if Jack gets involved shit is gonna hit the fan i wonder for who this shit would hit? I look forward to finding out how Blackbeard will benefit from this chaos. All i know after this arc there is gonna be chaos, and its only going to spiral more turbulantly after that. Law hates world government. People say he is going to be goalless, could his goals have any chance with Joker still operating? What throne is he after to steal? And where do people see ceasar, ending up?
I don't really have a reply for any of this, time will tell how it goes.
Will there be anything between vegapunk, law and cesaer? Trafalgar law Op's mastermind. Blackbeard, luffy and buggy Op's lucky trio.
You people are amazing you read all of that, if you did'nt and just scrolled down you must be feeling smart ha?
Not sure what about Vegapunk, Law and Ceaser you are trying to say. I do find it funny how accurate the term "lucky trio" really is. Everything in Impel Down and Marineford seemed to go their way. Like either luck…or fate.
I have a theory about that actually.
For Luffy..it's fate. The Will of D.
For Buggy... it's luck. Luck that he's always had, used for humor.
For Blackbeard...I believe he doesn't actually decend from the tribe of D. He simply knows that the Will of D grants special gifts from fate itself. So he tries to cheat fate by claiming to be a "D" and acting alot like one. This causes fate itself to both be for him and against him. He's got luck, but is both strong and weak. Because fate favors the will of D, but is cross with him. So he both gains and suffers for it.
Lol this guys responses are so similar to Darths it's uncanny
EDIT: If there was one thing that seemed really wrong when rereading the arc was Cora-san saying "Don't be stupid, it's not magic!" when Law was trying to heal him by saying "Heal! Heal!" and some chapters later we get Mansherry's powers revealed and they're exactly that! Ugh :getlost:
I loved that scene with Cora-san
And yes Oda does make some weird contradictions sometimes :ninja:
I loved that scene with Cora-san
And yes Oda does make some weird contradictions sometimes :ninja:
And I wonder how many contradictions are in One Piece? "Hides"
Well yeah but rapid events like that have been going on in this comic since the beginning. It's been 3 or 4 years since Jinbe gave his statement about one day rejoining the crew and even back then everyone suspected that he would probably be gone for a week tops before all these Emperor adventures were dealt with. He was always going to return early relative to his statement.
My main point is that Jinbe's story isn't behind the current time line but is taking place in the future. I can't imagine it's going to mean too much in the long run but it is really strange. Depending on how long his story goes we could very well see ripple effects of Doflamingo's defeat before he is even defeated! Now I don't really expect anything like that but I wonder why Oda went that route with Jinbe's time line. Maybe it wasn't intentional at all and will be corrected later.
Cool, wouldn't have noticed this otherwise, thanks.
I have no doubt it's on purpose, ( because it seemed to directed that the cover page practically pointed to the time of the day), but yeah, besides the above^^^ bold, no ideas why, but with X Drake's re-appearance last cover story, expecting it to be even more important to the overall story than that was. Also it might tie into a next cover story with the world's reactions maybe being covered by cover story instead of 1-2 chapters directly in the manga.
Had some time to think about it, Jimbei meeting Big Mom is surely not the absolute end of the cover story, so when Dressrosa events end, a time period/ day, (seemingly easily), could pass of rest/ party/ relaxation/ new crises/ travel/ etc. and still be just in time to catch/ join up with/ to Jimbei's situation. All of this after the hopeful, very needed, decently long, resolve to the Swirlyhats situation.
I got the feeling of watching Meruem and his guards(HXH) from Dofla's flashback. Especially remind me the butterfly dude.Was he bad? Sure. But I would guess the executives played quite a role on the way he is now. Burning down a city because he fell down… Interestingly enough the 4 executives seemed to have been a group already. I like the design of Diamente from back then and notice Pika being the only one not talking.
From the flashback I guess Vergo and Dofla are self made when it comes to martial arts. I easily imagine them training together to get better. As far as Dofla wanting to be pirate king it seems to be more of Trebol and the others goal than his own. He's just enjoying the view of being at the top.
Nailed it. Good memories.
I agree with you on the potential weakness thing. Giving up Life force just plain sucks. But I would like to point out that Law does have a weakness in form of Stamina and hardly uses too much of his powers. Just think back and try to remember any fight where law has used even half of the tricks he used in Dressrosa. This is the battle of his life. Something he has planned to do since he was a little kid. He is probably more stuck up to the idea of defeating Doflamingo than Luffy ever was about defeating Lucci or Crocodile. I think a person crossing physical limits for the one battle he has wanted to win since childhood isn't too much.
New way, I hadn't looked at it like that before.
Why is Trebol suprised by Luffy's CoC? DoFla told it to Vergo. Diamante have spotted it before and hasn't been suprised… And Trebol was never around spotting it?
Law has been suprised as well.
Yeah that is very odd. Trebol's at most I would say that his was needed, both to segue into the flashback, and to show the possibility of this being the first time DD is confronted by another CoC user that either could actually rival DD's , or wasn't monsterously better than his( possible future alluding to Kaidou/ other Yonkou showing their superiority, previously, personally to DD, in some way?).
Law's I have no idea except to furthur aid in segueing into the flashback?…
@.access:
! The fact weak users are getting logia fruits already says a lot about it.
! Before timeskip, only big names would be allowed logia fruits: the Admirals, Crocodile, Enel, Ace, Teach. Smoker was the only one who was a small player, but he is a character meant to grow over time - and we know by the end he will be among the strongest anyways.
! Now look at the logia after the timeskip: Caribou, Monet and Ceasar.
None of them were big names, two of them were actually underlings (and not even the strongest ones) and only one was a captain, but even him was treated as a joke and not a real threat.
It's pretty obvious Oda is going out of his way to portray logia as much weaker than he did before, even making users from other classes belittle logia users (Pekoms and now Trébol).
! Things are different in NW, Pekoms stated that. I wouldn't go as far as saying that Logia look weaker than the others classes, but Oda is at least taking his time to make sure it will not look stronger than the other two anymore (he already made it pretty obvious in comparison with the paramecia, I hope the zoan time to shine comes soon).
Not really.
If you look at it including more than the fact that they're logia, and the rest of the situation/ variables, then it's not just them being 'weak', or logia that made them lose at all. As these are mostly just the newbies, shown to explicitly be newbies/ ( complacent DD family member in Monet's case), in the real beginning like 1%, of/ to the "dangerous New World". Would you really expect the worst parts to be precisely right at the beginning of the any "New World" like situation in any manga?
! As a poster above said, the issue isn't that the Seats/High Executives were too weak. It's that they didn't get nearly as enjoyable and extensive showings as they in mine and apparently quite a few others' opinions deserved. Diamante's showings were so, so meager and his fight was all broken up into little pieces, then ended quickly. Trebol's stuff has been spread out across the entire arc doing only very little at a time and virtually none of it, even less than for Diamante, happened in a context of fluid fighting. Pica had it the best but there were still problems, they have been discussed to death however. Now Vergo was very impactful in everything he did and went down well but I still would have liked to see more of him. Aside from beating on a hopeless Law he only had a short scuffle with Sanji and a short scuffle with Smoker on-panel. Again, elongated - in terms of sequential on-panel time, not in-universe time passed - encounters is what would have helped. I find it very frustrating that Oda seems to restrict these nearly exclusively to Luffy and to an extent Zoro these days.
! In short, Oda is just being way too stingy with the panel time he gives to these guys imo. They have such great designs, personalities and interesting abilities but we just don't get any fluid focused fighting. Instead we keep getting these quick scuffle-type encounters which are constantly broken up into pieces and a lot of the time end very abruptly with the now-infamous "one-shots". It simply doesn't feel like these characters get the respect and focus that used to be accorded elite lieutenants such as Daz Bones or Kaku. I even think Chess and Kuromarimo got a more focused fight with more interaction of abilities and choreography than Trebol and Diamante…
! I know criticism of this nature has probably been raised a thousand times before but this is where I'm personally coming from in finding the High Executives disappointing. It's not that I find them too weak at all. That's not my problem. I wanted to see more of them and see it in the good old style that's worked so well so many times before, sequential, fluid fighting with lots of interesting banter accompanying the interesting fighting. I love their concepts and I also really appreciate that Oda stepped outside the norm of simply lining up a bunch of convenient 1v1s. All the officers have been running around and doing their own things the whole arc compared CP9 and BW sitting in their lair and then going out for convenient 1v1 battles (with some mix-ups, granted). It made the officers come alive and feel more like individual characters than simply a battery of mooks to be fought and defeated. That's why there was so much promise here and why it stings so much that when the time came to deliver we mostly got a slew of rushed and broken up encounters.
Interesting way of looking at it, can't really argue with that.
If I had to point to a possible reason, I would point though to the fact that the pattern seems to be so; only for serious decisive slicing attacks that are normally either by surprise, or not really a possibility of dodging. I. E. (This chapter Law vs Trebol's face to ensure he's hit, trapped Sanji vs DD, purposely taking the attack Vergo vs Law, Pica full out attacking Zoro).
Seriously? The guy has been cliff-hanger dead for a month and has pulled off two separate hail mary attacks in the last two chapters. Can you not see how that wouldn't bug people?
Well counting/ keeping time that way instead of the moments/ minutes that has actually supposed to have passed within the manga, seems an odd choice, but w. e..
Plus that last "separate Hail Mary attack" was moving a finger a bit?…
That seems like complaining Luffy/ Chopper shouldn't be possible to move their heads/ bodies even a little after his fight with Lucci/ Kumadori; like they did soon after on the ship, anyway.
Give me one move she can do, that would work against him.. All she can hope for is a clutch, and it is by far the move she uses most frequently. Unless she somehow baits him into combusting himself while coated in mucus. As he is probably not a logia, that could work.
She could, ( similarly to what she did to the dwarves, and Hakuba), grow her hands/ arms from the ground. Once she feels legs( I mention since to move about, his head and bottom of his legs/ feet should not be that covered by his sticky substance, as that would/ should be too much of a hindernce), grow them more that turn into (20 to 30 meter maybe) giant arms still holding specifically Trebol's exposed legs, and thus proceed to play whack-a-mole on any hard surface, with Trebol as the hammer. Maybe 20 whacks to be sure, ( also giving him credit as still being quite superhuman).
As for Robin' s body parts getting stuck by Trebol's stickiness; her DF multiplied bodyparts although stuck, should easily be able to release, and disappear, within seconds, anyway right? So the moves can still go just make sure not to have the body parts linger, otherwise they can be drawn back to the giant hands / legs/ arms/ feet pushing attack like she used against Monet.
Also the giant pushing hand made from something behind/ in front/ surprising Trebol, ( like against Monet to protect Chopper), would seem to be effective regardless of the sticky; in fact this could backfire against Trebol constantly drawing him back constantly like a paddle ball on a string, brought back over and over.
Oh as for your later pic, you realize Trebol's bony seemingly frail- ish little body would still be a part of that "gum/ sticky substance", so it shouldn't even come near completely protecting him, from being crushed between the giant leg/ foot and the ground, as he is not made of it.
Robin doing that move a number of times should also ensure a knocked out Trebol.
Yeah I can't wait to see the other Strawhats! It's been way too long haha I miss them! I wouldn't mind them having half the Zou (is it Zo??) arc to themselves, that'd be pretty fun for me.
I think Law's sole reason for existence was to kill Doflamingo, so One Piece was never his motivation, I don't know where he goes from here. But then again he might just want to help Luffy become Pirate King now that he doesn't have anything better to do, who knows. It'll be interesting to see.
I agree he won't come all the way to Wano, Law doesn't have anything to do with that whole plot, I think.
I could definitely see Law just going off doing "pirate things" when he's done with the alliance. We'll definitely see him by the end of the series though. Who knows, he may get a cover story to show what he's been up to? I think once Doflamingo is out of the picture he can relax and spend time with his crew. This chapter confirmed they were very important to him.
And I can't wait to see the rest of the Straw Hat crew. While I generally enjoy this arc, I miss the whole crew's interactions with each other. Brook and Chopper are my favorite characters and with this arc being so long it's been tough for me to not have them. I really think we will get a bit of time dedicated to the Sunny team and see that they are capable fighters since most of them are generally considered on the weaker side of the crew.
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As much as if like that,I don't know if it'll quite go that way. They're fighting off Big Mom, sure. But a beginning of an arc with just them? Sounds a little too good to be true.
Yeah, half an arc may be pushing it. Whatever the rest of the crew is doing will somehow change the game. We're in for some good stuff whichever way things play out.
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That would be so so good. I'm already imagining it. A smaller arc, with smaller villains, where the earlier parts involve mostly the Swirlybrow Pirates joining with the Heart Pirates and facing the enemies on their own. Sanji, Chopper and Nami (and Brook too, but not so much, I think) really need some focus. They didn't show anything special in FI nor PH and left Dressrosa soon. Although Nami had a few good character moments in both arcs, with forgiving Jinbe and taking the children. But these 4 need more spotlight just like Franky, Zoro and Usopp (and Robin a little bit, but could have been more) had this arc. I also miss Ceaser a lot. That guy was damn funny. And we also don't know what's the deal with Momo. Why was he so important to Doffy, to the point where he was considered one of the "3 cards" along with the factory and CC? I just reread Dressrosa (enjoyed it, btw) and it was good to bring some plot points back to my memory, with Momo and the 4th samurai sticking out.
Back to Dressrosa, we're 3 to 5 chapters away from the end of volume 78. I guess Oda wants to finish the final fight right at the end of the volume, so I'd say… 4 chapters until Doffy takes the final blow. Hope to see more of what we've seen these past 2 chapters in terms of 1v1 combat and have a great last fight here. I guess that double spread with Law's arm's attack meant the end of Trebol, and the explosion will knock Law out, at least. Only the Sabo/Burgess situation and the boss himself left in these 4 chapters, along with some inevitable "omg the birdcage is closing in to kill us all" panels. Any guesses on which finisher Luffy will pull here?
EDIT: If there was one thing that seemed really wrong when rereading the arc was Cora-san saying "Don't be stupid, it's not magic!" when Law was trying to heal him by saying "Heal! Heal!" and some chapters later we get Mansherry's powers revealed and they're exactly that! Ugh :getlost:
I would love to get more development for some of the crew. I personally feel Brook and Nami need some good moments. Brook unfortunately joined the crew right before they got separated and because of that I feel he gets the shaft of things sometimes. Not enough screen time due to big cast present or just used as comedic relief. Nami I really want to see use more of her weather powers. I love the lore around the sky islands and I want to see Nami do some great stuff and not just be used for fan service.
There's so much that's going to happen after this arc. I too want to see what will happen with Caesar and especially the mystery behind Momo and why he's so important. Plus, it's not mentioned much, but we still have a third samurai from the Wano group that they still need to find. Who knows what that will lead to?
We are very close to reaching enough chapters to fill volume 78 aren't we? I wonder if Dressrosa will make it to volume 80 (10 volumes.) I am excited for the final fight and I hope Burgess makes an impact in some way.
They already found a third Samurai, That's Kenjuro
It needs to be the most creative thing I have ever seen, because I think Zoans are fucking boring.
Maybe to you.
To me arc with Yonko fighters that are Zoan users is a promise of awesome fights.
I would like to see Luffy fight with somebody like Whitebeards Marco - I mean Kaidos right hand man - before he will get to team up with somebody to attack Kaido(if that will happen).
Hell I think that Doflamingo is at least as strong as likes of Marco, very close to being on par with an Admiral.
He's going to be harder to put in jail because right now he is the Fleet Admiral.
I highlighted the important part of the sentence.
Many Marines will eventually get tired of his extremist ideals and revolt leading to the a change in the system.
He is very likely to be captured by the end, unless Oda kills him off.
@joekido:
They already found a third Samurai, That's Kenjuro
It was stated that Kanjuro, alongside Kin'emon, Momonosuke, and another samurai were originally heading for Zo, but were shipwrecked on Dressrosa. There is still a fourth samurai in the picture if I'm not mistaken.
It was stated that Kanjuro, alongside Kin'emon, Momonosuke, and another samurai were originally heading for Zo, but were shipwrecked on Dressrosa. There is still a fourth samurai in the picture if I'm not mistaken.
That other samurai supposedly died, but not dying of the verb Ace, more like dying of the verb Pell, or t least that´s what I´m expecting.
That other samurai supposedly died, but not dying of the verb Ace, more like dying of the verb Pell, or t least that´s what I´m expecting.
If there was another Samurai I hope he gotten Killed by one of Kaido men that chased Momo and co. Like he created opening for them to escape.
Kind of like Kanjuro but without happy ending. Kin taking a fight with that samurais killer next arc.
Yea I know I went into fan fiction mode here :ninja:
Last samurai was lost at sea.
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Oh well I remember it like that but it was cooler not be to reminded that he really was lost to the sea
Maybe to you.
To me arc with Yonko fighters that are Zoan users is a promise of awesome fights.
I would like to see Luffy fight with somebody like Whitebeards Marco - I mean Kaidos right hand man - before he will get to team up with somebody to attack Kaido(if that will happen).Hell I think that Doflamingo is at least as strong as likes of Marco, very close to being on par with an Admiral.
If a team of Luffy-law-Xdrake take the yonkou, I think a second team would take the vice-captain, like zoro-bepo-sanji( I think drake's right hand is under sanji).
And I don't know about DD on Marco's level. Marco can likely have a long fight with 1 admiral, since his DF can tank admiral attacks no problem. DD on the other hand, has problems with attacks from Law or Luffy.
@uniaka:
If a team of Luffy-law-Xdrake take the yonkou, I think a second team would take the vice-captain, like zoro-bepo-sanji( I think drake's right hand is under sanji).
Last we saw of XDrake, he was hauling away Caribou so he might have possibly joined Kaido right ? That would be the first instance where Supernovas' are on opposite sides.
And I don't know about DD on Marco's level. Marco can likely have a long fight with 1 admiral, since his DF can tank admiral attacks no problem. DD on the other hand, has problems with attacks from Law or Luffy.
Meh, Luffy and Law have pretty powerful attacks… I wouldn't be so quick to down play their strength against someone like Marco.
NB. I don't think they would be able to take down Marco but I think they would be able to put up a decent fight.
[[URL="http://forums.arlongpark.net/"]QUOTE=Lazy Pirate;3446127]Last we saw of XDrake, he was hauling away Caribou so he might have possibly joined Kaido right ? That would be the first instance where Supernovas' are on opposite sides.
Meh, Luffy and Law have pretty powerful attacks… I wouldn't be so quick to down play their strength against someone like Marco.
NB. I don't think they would be able to take down Marco but I think they would be able to put up a decent fight. [/[URL="http://forums.arlongpark.net/"]QUOTE]
We don't know XDrake's plans, but maybe we also wants to take down 1 yonkou, but he pick the option: join him, then kill him from the inside.
And I don't downplay luffy or law, but I won't place their attacks on par with admiral attacks.
You know, even after Oda went through such pains to establish how above everybody else Yonko and Admirals are, people still underestimate their power.
Anyways, one should point out neither Luffy nor Law are doing that well against Doffy. Basicaly only attacks that did work thus far were surprise moves, courtesy of mister broken fruit that is now slowly bleeding out.
Or is burned alive, though I doubt we are so lucky.
Which, I admit, makes me wonder if Oda does not plan for Luffy to lose this one.
@uniaka:
We don't know XDrake's plans, but maybe we also wants to take down 1 yonkou, but he pick the option: join him, then kill him from the inside.
It would be interesting to see XDrake join Luffy and Laws alliance. I'm interested to know more about his time in the marines, why he left etc etc.
And I don't downplay luffy or law, but I won't place their attacks on par with admiral attacks.
Of course their attacks aren't however I don't think there is that massive of a gap that Law and Luffy wouldn't be able to put up a fight against Marco.
You know, even after Oda went through such pains to establish how above everybody else Yonko and Admirals are, people still underestimate their power.
Anyways, one should point out neither Luffy nor Law are doing that well against Doffy. Basicaly only attacks that did work thus far were surprise moves, courtesy of mister broken fruit that is now slowly bleeding out.
Or is burned alive, though I doubt we are so lucky.
Which, I admit, makes me wonder if Oda does not plan for Luffy to lose this one.
Lose against Doffy or Kaido ?
Do you think Oda will allow Luffy to defeat Kaido ?
@Lazy:
Lose against Doffy or Kaido ?
Do you think Oda will allow Luffy to defeat Kaido ?
Lose against Doffy. At least this round. It might be possible, especially with incredibly generous one hour time limit, and Mansherry's healing powers.
About Kaido… I dunno, honestly. At one hand, it seems like that's what it's building up to, on the other, how exactly do you top that?
Lose against Doffy. At least this round. It might be possible, especially with incredibly generous one hour time limit, and Mansherry's healing powers.
If Luffy doesn't defeat Doffy this time around or if Doffy isn't defeated at all this arc would drag on for way way way too long.
About Kaido… I dunno, honestly. At one hand, it seems like that's what it's building up to, on the other, how exactly do you top that?
I honestly think Kaido is going to crush the Straw Hats and Laws crew. If they want to win they're going to need a lot more strength.
For the marines to fight one Yonkou crew(+allies) they needed 3 admirals, 7 shichibukai and 100 000 marines, I really find it hard to believe that just these two crews will be able to defeat Kaido.
The only way I think it will be possible is if Kids alliance is also going after Kaido, also including X drake you would have 6 rookie crews… Plus the allies they made during the Dressrosa arc added to he group. Thats the only way I can see them having any chance (even if it's 10%) of defeating Kaido.
We have Kin and Kan, the other one should be either Kon or Ken.
@Lazy:
If Luffy doesn't defeat Doffy this time around or if Doffy isn't defeated at all this arc would drag on for way way way too long.
At one hand, I know, and at the other, I don't see any other reason for which Oda would have given such generous time limit.
@Lazy:
I honestly think Kaido is going to crush the Straw Hats and Laws crew. If they want to win they're going to need a lot more strength.
For the marines to fight one Yonkou crew(+allies) they needed 3 admirals, 7 shichibukai and 100 000 marines, I really find it hard to believe that just these two crews will be able to defeat Kaido.
The only way I think it will be possible is if Kids alliance is also going after Kaido, also including X drake you would have 6 rookie crews… Plus the allies they made during the Dressrosa arc added to he group. Thats the only way I can see them having any chance (even if it's 10%) of defeating Kaido.
Honestly, if beating him was that easy, you'd think somebody would have done it by now.