Good guy, Don Sai.
Though doesn't this mean that Chinjao was a failure? I mean shouldn't he have had the kick and been able to access the treasure with that?
Shouldn't anyone with CoA have been able to access it?
I think the requirement for that is the complete mastery of Hasshouken
Good guy, Don Sai.
Though doesn't this mean that Chinjao was a failure? I mean shouldn't he have had the kick and been able to access the treasure with that?
Shouldn't anyone with CoA have been able to access it?
Seems like strongest fighters should surely be able to get it but I dont think that location of Chinjaos treasure on frozen continent is so well known like its everybodys thing to know.
Chinjao said this chapter that Sais training brought up fruit- I get that cracking attack as something like Luccis Rokuougun - final technique that you can use after mastering all other skills of a style.
It was not about CoA hardening but about skill to concentrate vibrations in one line most likely as Chinjaos family style seemed to be all about unblockable vibrations - a bit like fishman karate and its shock going through water that cant be blocked + matrial arts mastery. Luccis Rokuougun also looked to be unblockable when it connects. Something that masters of styles can do as it seems.
So as result of this weeks exchange Sai "unlocked" new move during fight and now can use it to crack open way to Santa/Wizard Chinjaos treasure.
next week is christmas day does it mean that there is no release?
That scene with Baby5 was kinda out of the blue and quite shocking. (especially since both Chinjao and LaoG are kind of ridiculous looking and are all over the place in this one).
I loved it though.
Screw the haters, I loved this chapter. I love the whole interplay between the two forces - how Doffy's side see her as convenient and haven't taught her to live for herself, while a stranger, Sai, is stepping up and seeing that it's wrong, hoping to right those wrongs. He doesn't care about who he marries, but he can't just stand by and watch as someone like Baby is taken advantage of just because she's 'useful' as she is.
That slap was necessary - fuck those who say differently. It woke her up and started the road to recovery. It was the same kind of slap you give a baby who needs to take that first breath before they can be called truly living.
And I really just wanna hug poor Baby. :< Doffy's crew are asshats for not waking her up and making her feel like she's worth more than just being convenient. (I love that they're asshats, though.)
Sai+Babs 5eva~<3
Hatori Icons (credits and thanks to Nia and Nhp <3)
I'm expanding my original idea. After the dressrosa arc they meet up with sanji and he's in a love affair with the uholicia (Sai's fiancee) he and Sai hate each others guts and get into a kicking match Devil leg vs military footwork
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Man did this chapter make almost zero senseā¦
1. Ok I like the fact that Baby5 motives and past is explained and we can "understand" her willingness to do stuff for others.
2. The fact that Don attacks and is kicked in the head by Sai is a bit stupid as is the fact that out of thin air in that moment Sai gets some amazing technique passed down and with it he bends Dons head
3. Then he proclaims he ll marry Baby and one kicks Lao G to the ground
Now I guess we'll see some consequence to this cause otherwise he ll just kick every executive with this and it will be over or what?
Oh I liked the perserving one punch thing but in general Lao G this Sai thing etc are just seriously out of thin air and whatever...
My own opinion. If you guys liked the chapter good for you I guess
Well that's a tricky question. I don't want these fights to stretch endlessly, but at the same time, it's a shame to see characters that show promise being defeated in such an unceremonious manner. It is probably the best way to deal with the situation where there's so many fights going on at the same time, but can't help but wonder if it would have been better if it was done differently from the start.
This way we have some fights on and off, and then we get a resolution. Considering last chapter and how Machvise went down (or up) it seems repetitive. If Dellinger or someone else gets taken out in a similar fashion next chapter, it will look even more repetitive.
Those are some valid concerns after 70 chapters of build up but on the other hand you have to think three things;
1)Although Oda adorned the villains with nice quirks and interesting personalities,yet he didn't bother to give them interesting powers to match their characters.And that leads me to believe that from the start Oda didn't intent to give them full Alabasta fights.How can you write a 2 chapter fight about a ton ton man,a spinning man,an old man whose powers are based on a gag and a fishman that just hops here and there?Where are the mysterious and weird powers that can support big and juicy fights?Heck,even the powers users have abilities that appeared before or don't fit wit combat.
2)This isn't the Alabasta of the New World.Yes i know,we are near 200 chapters after the timeskip and facing an over hyped villain but in fact we are only in the third station of the journey.I believe the troublesome enemies will start to appear at Wano country and after that.STORYWISE it's still early for our heroes to face all powerful enemies.
3)Our heroes aren't even facing the enemies.The classic shonen conflicts where the protagonists,here the strawhats,are facing yet another obstacle and are forced to harden their resolve,overcome the dangers and expose some bits of their character are absent here.To the contrary,we have completely secondary characters with basic fight styles and moves that Oda decided to pit against some minor executives in order to present them to us for the feature alliance.And i expect that in the future these allies will do the lowest enemy cleaning again
Now,if we see the same type of coverage and in the higher executives fights then i agree with you.(I also want Gladius to have a proper fight since his powers allow a big and detailed fight)
@Nex:
What, the slap? How so?
This is no way a "Mans World" situation, so I don't understand where you're coming from.
The fact that it is not as terrible as that means nothing.
Here we have a woman that has been abused to the point that she enjoys being objectivied, to the point of being willing to commit suicide at whim of first man around.
How is her situation resolved? Does she have a realisation that she indeed posseses her own value, and not only as tool for others? Nope. She needs the decision to be made for her.
It would be just as bad if their respective genders were reversed. Though in context of Oda treatment of his female characters does not look any better, to be honest.
I don't even care much about those issues, but still find it annoying nonetheless.
Can someone explain me, what other navy Don is meaningā¦ I somehow don't get the whole marriage stuff...
Mehhhhh eh?
Good to see the villains get beaten, but again a rather bleh chapter. Feels weird to see not SHs take em down, but also a breath of fresh air.
I don't really get how there is tbh.
We saw Sai smack down the combined Funk Brothers in the arena, and then slug it out with Ideo.
He got eliminated after being kicked out of the ring by a gear second kick that came out of nowhere.
Him being able to take down an officer isn't really that farfetched.
People seem to be really underestimating these guys .
Which makes no sense but that is what happens when people call them fodder and say they not going to help in the arc.
Those are some valid concerns after 70 chapters of build up but on the other hand you have to think three things;
1)Although Oda adorned the villains with nice quirks and interesting personalities,yet he didn't bother to give them interesting powers to match their characters.And that leads me to believe that from the start Oda didn't intent to give them full Alabasta fights.How can you write a 2 chapter fight about a ton ton man,a spinning man,an old man whose powers are based on a gag and a fishman that just hops here and there?Where are the mysterious and weird powers that can support big and juicy fights?Heck,even the powers users have abilities that appeared before or don't fit wit combat.
2)This isn't the Alabasta of the New World.Yes i know,we are near 200 chapters after the timeskip and facing an over hyped villain but in fact we are only in the third station of the journey.I believe the troublesome enemies will start to appear at Wano country and after that.STORYWISE it's still early for our heroes to face all powerful enemies.
3)Our heroes aren't even facing the enemies.The classic shonen conflicts where the protagonists,here the strawhats,are facing yet another obstacle and are forced to harden their resolve,overcome the dangers and expose some bits of their character are absent here.To the contrary,we have completely secondary characters with basic fight styles and moves that Oda decided to pit against some minor executives in order to present them to us for the feature alliance.And i expect that in the future these allies will do the lowest enemy cleaning again
Now,if we see the same type of coverage and in the higher executives fights then i agree with you.(I also want Gladius to have a proper fight since his powers allow a big and detailed fight)
I agree with most of what you said.
But, when you say how troublesome enemies will only start to appear after all this, Dressrosa starts feeling like another Fishman Island. As you say, I hope other Dofla pirates won't succumb to the same treatment. Your last sentence is my only real concern.
And I hope Buffalo is not quite done, since his ability would be interesting to see again. With the way things are now, Dofla pirates really need a trump card or two, because this is starting to look easy for good guys.
I don't really get how there is tbh.
We saw Sai smack down the combined Funk Brothers in the arena, and then slug it out with Ideo.
He got eliminated after being kicked out of the ring by a gear second kick that came out of nowhere.
Him being able to take down an officer isn't really that farfetched.
Really? Pulling a move on par with Chinjao in his prime that he never used before even though he was in fights numerous times does not strike you as odd?
Why didn't he bloody used it before?
Taking down an officer isn't far fetched. Taking down an officer in the manner he did it is.
2. The fact that Don attacks and is kicked in the head by Sai is a bit stupid as is the fact that out of thin air in that moment Sai gets some amazing technique passed down and with it he bends Dons head
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Its not out of thin air he attained mastery of the hashouken martial art in a critical situation (getting a power up in a battle isn't something new) he was desperate to save baby 5 and pulled all the stops against his grampa
im puzzled here,what is pica's aiming?
He doesnt get it, no point in trying to explain it to him- if Darth doesnt get conclusion himself he will write you to death
Aohige posts and few other users already explained why Baby 5 was handled like we seen, if he would care he would read it and re-think instead of calling it horrible etc
Different interpretations of the same work of art? Never heard of it either, I know.
Really? Pulling a move on par with Chinjao in his prime that he never used before even though he was in fights numerous times does not strike you as odd?
Why didn't he bloody used it before?
Taking down an officer isn't far fetched. Taking down an officer in the manner he did it is.
I thought it was quite obvious Sai JUST awekened this ability right this instant.
You know. Standard shonen fare, nothing to get that riled about.
http://i996.mangapanda.com/one-piece/771/one-piece-5376089.jpgim puzzled here,what is pica's aiming?
He aimed at the two of them. They jumped to the side to avoid it.
I thought it was quite obvious Sai JUST awekened this ability right this instant.
You know. Standard shonen fare, nothing to get that riled about.
Really? Okay then. Name one other moment in One Piece when someone got boost to his/hers physical abilities in the middle of the match.
And Haki doesn't count.
Really? Okay then. Name one other moment in One Piece when someone got boost to his/hers physical abilities in the middle of the match.
And Haki doesn't count.
Zoro, during his fight with Daz Bones.
I whole hardheartedly agree with the first point. The ones with interesting powers that can have juicy fights are fighting SH, not the Colosseum members.
Thought, it would be nice for the chapters containing other family members' defeat to not follow the same road. This chapter was fine because it had all the not-combat stuff going on with Sai/Baby-5/Chin, but another similar chapter would be pushing it.
I thought it was quite obvious Sai JUST awekened this ability right this instant.
You know. Standard shonen fare, nothing to get that riled about.
Looked to me like he has been that good all along, or at least recently. After he turned Chinjao's head into a mage hat, Chinjao realized hs real strength and made it all official.
@Galaxy:
Zoro, during his fight with Daz Bones.
I read a long time ago, but if I recall, ability to cut through steel was some metaphysical swordsman bullshit, not an actuall physical boostā¦ Might be wrong though.
@Galaxy:
Zoro, during his fight with Daz Bones.
Ussop did the same thing in this arc also .
Different interpretations of the same work of art? Never heard of it either, I know.
Well if you would not have different interpretations 90% of weeks then I would not think like I do now that you dont get Odas vision at all.
But you can call it however it satisfies you though I dont know if you read One Piece to torture yourself more or us with your complainingā¦
OK I read Aohige's summary and still do not get it
Well so we learned there is a Nihou (2nd) army as wellā¦ Do you think it will have a role in the future?
And if yes, do you think that their are more "numbers" army o?
Really dunno what do take out of it
@Galaxy:
Zoro, during his fight with Daz Bones.
And again with Zoro, I'm quite sure he came up with flying slashes during his fight with Braham, or at least that's what it looked like.
And it wasn't purely a physical boost (Sai's been strong from the very beginning), it was a new ability, it even has a name (Kiryu Kikirugi, or something like that).
Just like the aforementioned Zoro examples.
OK I read Aohige's summary and still do not get it
Well so we learned there is a Nihou (2nd) army as wellā¦ Do you think it will have a role in the future?
And if yes, do you think that their are more "numbers" army o?
Really dunno what do take out of it
Maybe it's to create a bigger pun. Oda loves puns.
It works to exemplify that joining forces with that army would create a bigger army, just that (it's something like 8 treasures + 2 treasures = 10 treasures).
I don't think there's anything else in there.
Well if you would not have different interpretations 90% of weeks then I would not think like I do now that you dont get Odas vision at all.
But you can call it however it satisfies you though I dont know if you read One Piece to torture yourself more or us with your complainingā¦
For the same reason numerous people on this board read Bleach and read Naruto, dedicating entire threads of hundreds of pages and thousands of posts to bitch about it afterwards.
The problem with you on the other hand is that you are so hung up on the idea of One Piece being flawless and perfect that you actually completly ignore any and all praises I have given to the guy and his works on various occasions.
And stop with the "You don't get it" bullshit. It's a argument of six year old, and idiotic one at that.
Despite some of the awkward parts of this chapter, it was still pretty damn good! Sai is a freaking badass! :)
And again with Zoro, I'm quite sure he came up with flying slashes during his fight with Braham, or at least that's what it looked like.
There was no build up like usual when someone discovers something new in a fight. It's more likely the results of his training, used for the first time.
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Hope Baby 5 doesn't get any ideas about "thanking" Sai. The whole deal could break off, lol.
Really? Pulling a move on par with Chinjao in his prime that he never used before even though he was in fights numerous times does not strike you as odd?
We saw him in one major fight that actually finished (where he defeated The Funk Bros. with ease).
His fight with Ideo was interrupted.
Him using this move for the first time isn't really that weird.
Taking down an officer isn't far fetched. Taking down an officer in the manner he did it is.
I really don't see how tbh, unless it's just linked into your previous argument.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
I uploaded the popularity contest results on imgur.
Awesome. Our Hancock made it!
does baby5's gun actually say her nameā¦?
http://i.imgur.com/JBI8X6c.png
Damnā¦ look at that round tits.
I enjoyed this chapter a lot more than I had previously anticipated. Sai is a total badass. I'm glad I didn't rule him out when Luffy knocked him out of the ring. And Baby 5's backstory was surprisingly tragic.
I just hope she and Sai spend a significant amount of time together before they get married. Rushed weddings never end well :ninja:
The color spread is so amazing. I would've loved it if Luffy, Ace and Sabo were drawn doing something together thoughā¦
We saw him in one major fight that actually finished (where he defeated The Funk Bros. with ease).
His fight with Ideo was interrupted.
Him using this move for the first time isn't really that weird.
I really don't see how tbh, unless it's just linked into your previous argument.
He has an attack that's strong enough to create cavities in earth.
He was in fight for how many chapters now?
He exchanged blows with Ideo for how long?
What, did he hold back? Rageaholic capable of tremendous self restraint, that's a new one.
Fine. Just consider it one of those things I take issue with.
For the same reason numerous people on this board read Bleach and read Naruto, dedicating entire threads of hundreds of pages and thousands of posts to bitch about it afterwards.
The problem with you on the other hand is that you are so hung up on the idea of One Piece being flawless and perfect that you actually completly ignore any and all praises I have given to the guy and his works on various occasions.
And stop with the "You don't get it" bullshit. It's a argument of six year old, and idiotic one at that.
I never said that One Piece is flawless and perfect. You are adding words I never said, generalizing me as blind fanboy while I simply take it for what it is and enjoy what I can enjoy from it.
It should be taken for what it is and wishful thinking that author will cover up your expectations make you concentrate on criticizing One Piece far more than appreciating it. You mostly complain -10 times you complain, 1 time you really praise Oda. Let people be happy about very good chapter and save your further complains for 2 weeks break please.
This chapter was pretty amazing for a chapter about 3rd category characters like Sai, Baby 5 and Lao G. Non of them gotten much development till now so I never expected any
grand or not hasted chapter with conclusion to their role in this arc, with hint towards what will be their role in future. I gotten it and I am happy.
And I readlly do not get you thats why I wrote it, its not only for six years old and idiots to write such thing - especially when person doesnt get your pov at all when it comes to balance between expectations.
You need worded wake up slap or you will be continuing to spread criticizing of same sort.
I uploaded the popularity contest results on imgur.
Surprised Gin is still there
Wow, Gin. His popularity will grow when he returns to the story!
I would like to just mention, before this delves into a massive Darth hate fest like these arguments can sometime lead to, he did say he didn't hate this chapter!
Not sure if this was clarified yet, but what will be the chapter schedule for the next weeks.
He has an attack that's strong enough to create cavities in earth.
He was in fight for how many chapters now?
He exchanged blows with Ideo for how long?
What, did he hold back? Rageaholic capable of tremendous self restraint, that's a new one.
Fine. Just consider it one of those things I take issue with.
Sai awakened technique comparable to Luccis Rokougun through mastery of Chinjaos family fighting style based on vibrations.
It looked like Chinjao and Sai were shocked at fact that Sai was able to break through Chinjaos attack, then Sai did same attack - knowing that he can now do similar thing to his grandfather- on Lao G, thus overpovered him in one go, even as Lao G was sure he will have no problem with Sai as he was fighting for quite some time with Baby 5 and didnt won with her.
He has an attack that's strong enough to create cavities in earth.
He was in fight for how many chapters now?
He exchanged blows with Ideo for how long?
What, did he hold back? Rageaholic capable of tremendous self restraint, that's a new one.
Fine. Just consider it one of those things I take issue with.
Holding back super secret moves is just one of those unwritten rules of Shonen Manga tbh.
Considering the amount of actual on-screen fighting we've seen from him, I don't think it's that big an issue.
Also we could consider the fact that he only broke out this super move when he was enraged at Lao G for taking down his Gramps.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
can sai be the new sanji?
Holding back super secret moves is just one of those unwritten rules of Shonen Manga tbh.
Considering the amount of actual on-screen fighting we've seen from him, I don't think it's that big an issue.
Also we could consider the fact that he only broke out this super move when he was enraged at Lao G for taking down his Gramps.
As I said Chinjao and Sai were suprised and Sai breaking Chinjaos head. So its like Sai didnt knew he already achieved mastery over their style of fighting to degree when he can pull off moves like his grandfather.
For me its brought back Luccis words on Rokuougun mastery and being able to use it only when person masters all of other skills of Rokushiki. There result was shockwave many times stronger that the one from impact dial and here we see concentrated vibrations that cut through/ break stuff as it seems.
can sai be the new sanji?
With Sai kick Oda hyped even more Sanjis comeback for me. If we see such thing from a secondary(3rd rate even) character then Sanji should shine as soon as he will get back onto screen.
We seen almost nothing from him after time skip when it comes going all out beside Hell Memories and I dont think it was his top attack after 2 years of timeskip.
Seriously, there is no need to Sai have a spear, just a staff is good enough.
I never said that One Piece is flawless and perfect. You are adding words I never said, generalizing me as blind fanboy while I simply take it for what it is and enjoy what I can enjoy from it.
You would not take an issue with me critising it if that was the case.
It should be taken for what it is and wishful thinking that author will cover up your expectations make you concentrate on criticizing One Piece far more than appreciating it. You mostly complain -10 times you complain, 1 time you really praise Oda. Let people be happy about very good chapter and save your further complains for 2 weeks break please.
A) Stop pulling made up numbers to justify your argument.
B) "Should be taken for what it is" is an offense to the very idea of critisism.
This chapter was pretty amazing for a chapter about 3rd category characters like Sai, Baby 5 and Lao G. Non of them gotten much development till now so I never expected any
grand or not hasted chapter with conclusion to their role in this arc, with hint towards what will be their role in future. I gotten it and I am happy.
Good for you. I'm glad you've had a pleasant experience.
Though it is slightly tireing that you get to enjoy that opinion of yours being unquestioned.
And I readlly do not get you thats why I wrote it, its not only for six years old and idiots to write such thing - especially when person doesnt get your pov at all when it comes to balance between expectations.
You need worded wake up slap or you will be continuing to spread criticizing of same sort.
You wrote quote "you dont get Odas vision at all. " end quote. And yes. Arguing that there exists some unified "vision" that's the only possible of interpretating a work of art is childish at best.
Very nice. I always considered it as a problem in manga's when there are a lot of fights happening at same time, therefore for me it was refreshing to notice the pattern of how the fights will play out. There was chance that Oda might even not show any of those fights and just show Luffy vs Doflamingo as core of this arc, but looks like we're going to see all fights one by one through until we return back to the scene. Heh, regardlessā¦ Sanji vs Big Mom, something that probably will still get skipped, which is regretable if the case.
I know people were complaining about Chinjao's performance against Lao G, but I think Sai taking out Lao G was better than if Chinjao did. It shows Sai's merit as the leader of the Happou Navy, and the new generation taking charge is a common theme in One Piece.
I wonder if Sai is serious about making Baby 5 his bride. It would be awesome.
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I justā¦ had to.
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