As much as I'd love to see a huge war between all four Yonkous, I think this one will either be down to Big Mom and Kaidou or just Kaidou on his own. What does Kaidou have on Shanks and BB to get them involved? Big Mom maybe with Caesar, but even then I'm not sure. I can see Kaidou and Big Mom both competing with each other to be the one to kill Luffy, for what he's done to their operations; and then Luffy flying in and goading them to fight him.
Theories regarding the Yonkos and Kaido most of all.
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@Don:
I see it similiar to Moria
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/449/13We get a rough impression, but when finally fully shown the character will still look a bit different.
How is he different here from what he actually looks like? also in big mom's case you can see half of her face, and the silhouette of the other half. There's not much left to be shown.
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@Monkey:
This also finally concludes that stupid ass argument where people were in denial that the the mystery face in the top right gray panel was Kaidou.
I forget what retarded alternatives people were suggesting. Definitely some hilariously bad suggestions were made though.
Top right panel is green and is big mom.
Top left panel is grey and Kaido.
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Top right panel is green and is big mom.
Top left panel is grey and Kaido.
Oh whoops that's what I meant.
When that splash page came out there was a group of people convinced it was Jean Bart lol. -
As Dragon saved Bluejam or random fodder. Sabo is dead!!!
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Or when Oda drew this as a spoiler for upcoming people.
Blue Gilly aside, is there anyone in the manga that doesn't skip leg day?
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So…what about Kaido possibly being the same race as Oz/Odr?
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I think Oda had originally planned to introduce kaido after punk hazard arc had ended.
Remember during the jump festa 2013 and 2014 Oda had said that some dangerous guy was going to make his move..yeah, I think he was talking about kaido. I suppose most of the incidents from the last chapter could have easily been shown after punk hazard. -
@zeff:
I think Oda had originally planned to introduce kaido after punk hazard arc had ended.
Remember during the jump festa 2013 and 2014 Oda had said that some dangerous guy was going to make his move..yeah, I think he was talking about kaido. I suppose most of the incidents from the last chapter could have easily been shown after punk hazard.Doflamingo. 16cs
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Doflamingo. 16cs
It wasn't doflamingo coz in jump festa 2014 he said " Last year a big shot was going to show up, but I've changed the constitution of the story, so, that person hasn't shown up yet. So he'll will show up next year."
I'm sure Oda had initially planned to show him somewhere in ch 690's after the color spread was released. -
So my theory is that Kaido got immortalized with the power of some previous user of the ope ope no mi. Also i wonder if that kind of immortality could enable the ability to eat more than one devil fruit and not die, maybe he is called 100 beast Kaido because he actually ate 100 devil fruits and can convert into 100 beasts….
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If he could eat multiple devil fruits, Blackbeard wouldn't be so special now would he?
I don't like the ope ope fruit idea. Kaidou most likely has some special devil fruit that helps, but I think Oda was mostly trying to show us how strong this guy is. He's so powerful he can't even kill himself type of thing
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@zeff:
It wasn't doflamingo coz in jump festa 2014 he said " Last year a big shot was going to show up, but I've changed the constitution of the story, so, that person hasn't shown up yet. So he'll will show up next year."
I'm sure Oda had initially planned to show him somewhere in ch 690's after the color spread was released.Sabo then.
Or Fujitora.
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If he could eat multiple devil fruits, Blackbeard wouldn't be so special now would he?
I don't like the ope ope fruit idea. Kaidou most likely has some special devil fruit that helps, but I think Oda was mostly trying to show us how strong this guy is. He's so powerful he can't even kill himself type of thing
could be! i guess we will find out sooner or later
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Yup. Been saying this as well. Mainly because of the Jinbei Issue. He needs to be integrated with the rest of the SH's and the overall main story soon. Having Kaidou first THEN Big Mom would mean delaying the resolution of Jinbei till after two Yonkous are dealt with, if not one. Jinbei would have missed out on the shared experience for readers of being part of the SH's on a legitimate basis.
AlsoBig Mom has been hyped since FI. We even get to see some of her and her crew and have an idea how she operates (standard protection racket style). In real time terms she's been hyped for a fair number of years now. Longer than Kaidou who only really got exposure in PH.
I disagree. Oda confirmed that at least 2 more members will be joining the crew. We're already past the beginning if you will of the New World and the 2nd half of the story. I know Oda editor made some guess about OP being 70% done (but given the pacing really, who knows?) but I'll say this: Jinbe has added benefit of being a part of 3 story arcs so far which gives time to delay his joining of the crew. If 60-70% of OP was done it'd make more sense to have a new character join and grow with the crew for the remaining 30-40% of the story than it'd be to introduce them after 80% of the story is complete with 20% of story left. Jinbe has already been with Luffy for a reasonable chunk of the story that its not as pressing for him to join right away. Not to mention that each of the monster trio will probably have to be stronger than Jinbe before he joins. Sanji is still relatively weak and because the Jinbe's join = linked Big Mom saga, we're definitely dealing with Kaido first.
Not to mention Punk Hazzard and Dressrosa arcs are just parts of the Kaido saga and Kin'emon's temporarily traveling with the Strawhats are related to Kaido somehow. Kaido will be the first Yonko the crew will face but probably not alone. Given the fact that all the supernovas are in close proximity there's a decent chance of "worst generation" supernova alliance vs. Kaido happening at some point.
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I disagree. Oda confirmed that at least 2 more members will be joining the crew. We're already past the beginning if you will of the New World and the 2nd half of the story. I know Oda editor made some guess about OP being 70% done (but given the pacing really, who knows?) but I'll say this: Jinbe has added benefit of being a part of 3 story arcs so far which gives time to delay his joining of the crew. If 60-70% of OP was done it'd make more sense to have a new character join and grow with the crew for the remaining 30-40% of the story than it'd be to introduce them after 80% of the story is complete with 20% of story left. Jinbe has already been with Luffy for a reasonable chunk of the story that its not as pressing for him to join right away. Not to mention that each of the monster trio will probably have to be stronger than Jinbe before he joins. Sanji is still relatively weak and because the Jinbe's join = linked Big Mom saga, we're definitely dealing with Kaido first.
Not to mention Punk Hazzard and Dressrosa arcs are just parts of the Kaido saga and Kin'emon's temporarily traveling with the Strawhats are related to Kaido somehow. Kaido will be the first Yonko the crew will face but probably not alone. Given the fact that all the supernovas are in close proximity there's a decent chance of "worst generation" supernova alliance vs. Kaido happening at some point.
if kid a poo and hawkins were willing to serve a yonkou, they would have done it by now
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I'm more interested on who's going to replace Kaidou and Big Mom. Luffy is always on the move, claiming Fishman Island and probably Dressrosa, so he's a given. I wonder who'd take over Big Mom though. Law?
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Sabo then.
Or Fujitora.
Jump festa 2013
【BREAKING】& someone dangerous's starting to move in the manuscript he just handed in, meaning that guy's gonna appear in 3 or 4 weeks.At that time chapter 693 was released so one might think it was fujitora or doflamingo as CCC said
Did they say something about the strange phrase about "that guy who could be Blackbeard"?
@CCC:
Nothing about BB specifically. The line was, approximately, "the story beginning next year will involve that osoroshii (terrible, dreadful) yatsu (guy)." That's it. I thought he meant Doflamingo, personally. Oda clearly wanted to say more, but he stopped himself because he's obviously under contract to not spill too many beans.
But later on during jump festa 2014 he said
- "Last yr I said a big player would appear, things changed, they haven't shown up yet. This year they will
At that time One piece was already past ch 731 where sabo had made his appearance.
So, i think he was talking about Kaido
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@Game:
I'm more interested on who's going to replace Kaidou and Big Mom. Luffy is always on the move, claiming Fishman Island and probably Dressrosa, so he's a given. I wonder who'd take over Big Mom though. Law?
Nobody probably, since the whole system and balance of the world that supports concepts like the Yonkou is going to be destroyed.
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@Game:
I'm more interested on who's going to replace Kaidou and Big Mom. Luffy is always on the move, claiming Fishman Island and probably Dressrosa, so he's a given. I wonder who'd take over Big Mom though. Law?
No one should. Law already explained why.
The Emperor system is toxic for upcoming rookies and piracy in general.
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…I don't understand why that means no one should? Aside from none of the Luffy or Law not seeming to be like they'd be one to have giant "crime syndicates", it's not like they have to. They'd probably be in constant conflict, maybe.
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Dragon Zoan? Dragon Zoan.
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I'd want to believe that Kaidou has the most ridiculous zoan ever. Like a duck. Or a mouse. But prolly not.
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@Game:
…I don't understand why that means no one should? Aside from none of the Luffy or Law not seeming to be like they'd be one to have giant "crime syndicates", it's not like they have to. They'd probably be in constant conflict, maybe.
Actually, they need to in order to be Emperors.
What is an Emperor without an empire?
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Actually, they need to in order to be Emperors.
What is an Emperor without an empire?
What is a Warlord without a military? Ain't stopin' Mihawk or Jinbei, did it? You're taking the title too seriously.
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@Game:
What is a Warlord without a military? Ain't stopin' Mihawk or Jinbei, did it? You're taking the title too seriously.
Blackbeard started being called an Emperor only after conquering leftover territories.
You think he gained the title right after killing Whitebeard? Like, was he an Emperor when his raft sunk in the New World and Akainu forced them to run away?
An Emperor is defined by having a large sphere of influence, which is done by expanding their crews to military size and conquering territories.
Also, the Warlords do technically act like warlords during times of war where they need to fight alongside the Marines (this is pretty much their main point). They're essentially war commanders alongside the Admirals.
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Blackbeard started being called an Emperor only after conquering leftover territories.
…so what Luffy's doing?
An Emperor is defined by having a large sphere of influence, which is done by expanding their crews to military size and conquering territories.
And as I said, Luffy already started claiming island. Fishman Island and undoubtedly Dressrosa. If that says anything, you don't need a huge military. Luffy's proving us that military size isn't the only way to achieve a sphere of influence. I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks would be the same way, actually. And I don't doubt that after Dressrosa, Luffy's allies have increased. He has the whole Happou Navy backing him up now, and that's only one of the new allies he made.
Also, the Warlords do technically act like warlords during times of war where they need to fight alongside the Marines (this is pretty much their main point). They're essentially war commanders alongside the Admirals.
You're just stretching it to fit the bill.
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@Game:
…so what Luffy's doing?
And as I said, Luffy already started claiming island. Fishman Island and undoubtedly Dressrosa. If that says anything, you don't need a huge military. Luffy's proving us that military size isn't the only way to achieve a sphere of influence. I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks would be the same way, actually.
You do need a huge military, or at least a very strong one, as it needs to rival the Marines.
Also, neither Fishman Island nor Dressrosa were claimed yet.
The Emperor system will fall, and Luffy is not going to be part of it. It does not suit him. The idea here is to make the sea free to anyone, with the PK being the most free.
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Not to mention that the whole point about the Emepror hierarchy is that they're systems and it is in Luffy's inclination towards freedom to naturally not to get boxed into such a system. He's shown time and time again that he's not so much interested in power (let alone world affairs which Emperors would most definitely have their says in, he truly doesn't give a fuck what happens to most of the world) like many other pirates but instead the freedom aspect; being an Emperor would in some way go against his personal leanings.
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You do need a huge military, or at least a very strong one, as it needs to rival the Marines.
And from what it seems like, Dressrosa was the start of getting a big military for Luffy. A whole navy of pirates, kingdoms here and there, bounty hunters, pirates crews, Godsopp's people - these guys didn't just pop up and become temporary allies.
Also, neither Fishman Island nor Dressrosa were claimed yet.
First, he already did for Fishman Island, second, that's just pedantic to say at this point in time.
The Emperor system will fall, and Luffy is not going to be part of it. It does not suit him. The idea here is to make the sea free to anyone, with the PK being the most free.
Not to mention that the whole point about the Emepror hierarchy is that they're systems and it is in Luffy's inclination towards freedom to naturally not to get boxed into such a system. He's shown time and time again that he's not so much interested in power (let alone world affairs which Emperors would most definitely have their says in, he truly doesn't give a fuck what happens to most of the world) like many other pirates but instead the freedom aspect; being an Emperor would in some way go against his personal leanings.
You guys acting like Luffy is taking up territories to show power, when he's made it clear it's to protect his friends and the people who live there. That was the whole point of the end of Fishman Island. His freedom isn't going get any lesser when he has islands he claims on his own name. The ideal situation would be that there'd be no need to protect these islands, but at this point of the story and from what it seems like in the incoming future, that isn't going to happen any time soon. You can preach all you want about the fall of the Yonkous, the Shichibukai, or the Marines, but the fact of the matter is currently there's these islands that Luffy has friends in, and are vulnerable to the attacks of other pirates. You guys seem to be stuck in this thinking that Luffy HAS to be like the other Yonkous, when doesn't have to be at all, whatsoever.
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@Game:
First, he already did for Fishman Island, second, that's just pedantic to say at this point in time.
It's not pedantic. Big Mom still has the island under her control. Luffy said he would make it his territory, but right now, it isn't.
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It's not pedantic. Big Mom still has the island under her control. Luffy said he would make it his territory, but right now, it isn't.
…that's literally the meaning of pedantic.
Do you actually doubt that Luffy isn't going to claim Fishman Island? I mean, I'm open for whatever may come, but seriously, unless Big Mom does turn out to be Lola's mom and we're cheesed out of having her as an enemy, I don't see how you can doubt that it'd happen. Especially with the danger of Caribou knowing of Poseidon, who is currently captured by the Kaidou pirates. Right now Fishman Island is vulnerable still. Big Mom is still salty about it, there's the possibility of Shirahoshi's power being known to the world. Dressrosa was only protected by Doflamingo for the longest time and is currently in shambles. The Marines might be protecting it for a while, though. But considering how much they turned a blind eye to Dressrosa...
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Pretty crazy but what are the chances Kaidou is blind, sleep-walking or in a trance of some sort? lol
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I understand that the Yonko system will fall apart, but it would make sense for at least one/two yonkos to get replaced before the sytem is completely abolished. The WG seems to title the Yonkos at any given time anyway, so it would only make sense for them to name another Yonko such as Luffy/Law when one Yonko falls. The WG ofc has probably used this system in categorizing the Grand Line for awhile and would not expect it to fall as a result of only one member losing. This wouldn't happen if multiple Yonkos felt in quick succession, however, I believe Shamks and Bb are ways away from falling, Big Mom will ally with Luffy, leaving Kaido as falling before the others and possibly well before others.
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I understand that the Yonko system will fall apart, but it would make sense for at least one/two yonkos to get replaced before the sytem is completely abolished.
Not really, cosnidering the current pace of the series indicates the entire new world saga of toppling all the old yonkou and finding On Piece and the great war is going to take like 2 weeks. There's not going to be any time for anyone to fill the void before things totally restructure.
We'll be lucky to get new bounties before the end at the pace things are currently moving.
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dah. I really need new bounties. The water 7 ones are so outdated it's to the point of negligence on the WG's part if they don't bump them up.
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I can see Luffy gaining Yonko status at least for a very short time depending on whether (and how much) Reverie will be prior to the start of the final war. I see Luffy gaining territory (all over the world) by Vivi and the others claiming at Reverie that their nations will go under Strawhat flag as one of the big steps leading to the WG's crumbling.
However, it will only be for a very short time-span. I expect shit hitting the fan quickly afterwards.
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Not really, cosnidering the current pace of the series indicates the entire new world saga of toppling all the old yonkou and finding On Piece and the great war is going to take like 2 weeks. There's not going to be any time for anyone to fill the void before things totally restructure.
We'll be lucky to get new bounties before the end at the pace things are currently moving.
consider the speed the newsletters get send out after major events are happening. information travels very fast in one piece world and maybe other things will happen as fast
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It would be interesting to see if it gets to the point Kaidou/big mom and possibly Shanks going down and three supernovas try to replace them. Four new yonkous (blackbeard is still relatively new) and the world government/marines are in complete panick before the climax of the story.
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@Game:
…that's literally the meaning of pedantic.
Do you actually doubt that Luffy isn't going to claim Fishman Island? I mean, I'm open for whatever may come, but seriously, unless Big Mom does turn out to be Lola's mom and we're cheesed out of having her as an enemy, I don't see how you can doubt that it'd happen. Especially with the danger of Caribou knowing of Poseidon, who is currently captured by the Kaidou pirates. Right now Fishman Island is vulnerable still. Big Mom is still salty about it, there's the possibility of Shirahoshi's power being known to the world. Dressrosa was only protected by Doflamingo for the longest time and is currently in shambles. The Marines might be protecting it for a while, though. But considering how much they turned a blind eye to Dressrosa...
Remember that there's the possibility of Fishman Island being destroyed as well.
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Remember that there's the possibility of Fishman Island being destroyed as well.
Even then, there's still the people who needs to be protected, wherever they go, whether or not Fishman Island itself is destroyed. I don't think if or when Lufft destroys Fishman Island, for whatever reason it might be the people there still would be on Luffy's side.
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I understand that the Yonko system will fall apart, but it would make sense for at least one/two yonkos to get replaced before the sytem is completely abolished. The WG seems to title the Yonkos at any given time anyway, so it would only make sense for them to name another Yonko such as Luffy/Law when one Yonko falls. The WG ofc has probably used this system in categorizing the Grand Line for awhile and would not expect it to fall as a result of only one member losing. This wouldn't happen if multiple Yonkos felt in quick succession, however, I believe Shamks and Bb are ways away from falling, Big Mom will ally with Luffy, leaving Kaido as falling before the others and possibly well before others.
Uh, what?
Yonko aren't a government institution. They're not like the shichibukai. It's just an incidental label to show that those four people are the biggest powers of that area. If the number of them were to change, so would the label. It's just coincidental that someone replaces any of them after any of them falls. There's absolutely no obligation to continue that title should it no longer apply. It's little more than a nickname.
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Uh, what?
Yonko aren't a government institution. They're not like the shichibukai. It's just an incidental label to show that those four people are the biggest powers of that area. If the number of them were to change, so would the label. It's just coincidental that someone replaces any of them after any of them falls. There's absolutely no obligation to continue that title should it no longer apply. It's little more than a nickname.
Haha when did I once call it a government institution? And then to base your entire criticism on your misunderstanding? I understand it was a subpr post but you're the one looking foolish now. Btw key words: "system", "categorization" (as gorosei are only ones seen discussing who will take next title). Also when WB died, the gorosei said something along lines of "who will take WBs place? Marco or Bb?"- that paraphrase is what made me believe that the system had been in place for awhile. Categorizational system. Not government institution. Read my posts before fucking them
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@Game:
Even then, there's still the people who needs to be protected, wherever they go, whether or not Fishman Island itself is destroyed. I don't think if or when Lufft destroys Fishman Island, for whatever reason it might be the people there still would be on Luffy's side.
It would be the liberation of the fishmen. Luffy is going to bring them to the land where they can live equally with men.
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Oda did really threw a curve ball in these 2 chapters.
Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins going after Shanks, after having pissed Big Mum already sinking 2 of her ships and finding Kaido in their base.
Luffy/Law alliance going after Kaido, after having pissed Big Mum and after having ran from her, but that would probably be settled via Lola.
This is like events going to clog together a bit too much already.
I can't actually see any Yonkou falling this early, so I don't know how things will pan out.After reading OP again in 5 days, I realized how short the voyage through the first part of the grand line was.
Whiskey Peak, Little Garden, Alabasta (forced with an Eternal Pose), Jaya (detour in search for info), Skypeia, Long Ring Long Land, Water 7, Thriller Bark (forced detour), Shabaody (detour to get to Fishman Island).
So, leaving out the detours we have them going through 6 islands in the first half of Grand Line.
Here after 2 islands…Punk Hazard (out of the Log Pose) and Dressrosa (out of the Log Pose) there's already this mess, and it's out of the "standard" travel the Mugiwaras should do.
This troubles me specially for what regards the search of Poneyglyph.
I still think that the Water7 Poneyglyph was not read, as it's impossible that the Ancient Kingdom didn't left a glyph in the city where Pluton was built.
Dressrosa, or better, Green Bit MUST have a glyph, as Tontatta were connected to the Ancient Kingdom and received from them protection against the Donquixote family.
Wano, just as Skypeia will have a glyph, but that's not enough info yet on the Void Century.
It seems to me that the story is rushing a bit too much, like a humongous clusterfuck.
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I understand that the Yonko system will fall apart, but it would make sense for at least one/two yonkos to get replaced before the sytem is completely abolished. The WG seems to title the Yonkos at any given time anyway, so it would only make sense for them to name another Yonko such as Luffy/Law when one Yonko falls. The WG ofc has probably used this system in categorizing the Grand Line for awhile and would not expect it to fall as a result of only one member losing. This wouldn't happen if multiple Yonkos felt in quick succession, however, I believe Shamks and Bb are ways away from falling, Big Mom will ally with Luffy, leaving Kaido as falling before the others and possibly well before others.
I don't think that Yonkou is a system you can just abolish.
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It would be the liberation of the fishmen. Luffy is going to bring them to the land where they can live equally with men.
And this here is a perfectly logical theory on what's going to happen with Fishman Island.
…I don't look forward going back to it just to protect Shirahoshi though...
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@Monkey:
Oh whoops that's what I meant.
When that splash page came out there was a group of people convinced it was Jean Bart lol.I find the person who claimed that it is Caribou because he is still important to the plot to be more hilarious, completely ignoring the fact that there's no point in hiding his face when we already saw it.
No offense to the person who said this…
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I understand that the Yonko system will fall apart, but it would make sense for at least one/two yonkos to get replaced before the sytem is completely abolished. The WG seems to title the Yonkos at any given time anyway, so it would only make sense for them to name another Yonko such as Luffy/Law when one Yonko falls. The WG ofc has probably used this system in categorizing the Grand Line for awhile and would not expect it to fall as a result of only one member losing. This wouldn't happen if multiple Yonkos felt in quick succession, however, I believe Shamks and Bb are ways away from falling, Big Mom will ally with Luffy, leaving Kaido as falling before the others and possibly well before others.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I am going to be fairly dry. I like to be amiable, but you talked smack on the last person to reply to this; whether or not he is wrong (I don't really think he was), being a jerk does not merit being treated amiably.
Onto it…
Even at an epistemic level, this makes no sense. In other words, let's say you actually meant it is just a way for the WG to categorize pirates...
First: The WG doesn't "title" the Yonko. The Yonko seem to be determined simply by world-wide perception of them, which includes the perception of all persons as well as people associated with the WG. So, again, the WG does not decide who is considered a Yonko, though they might have some insight into who the strongest pirates around are. They do not "name" or "title" Yonko; at best they just acknowledge when a pirate is considered by the global (or perhaps just grand line) population to be a Yonko.
Second: Yonko will be "replaced" only if people - not the WG - start referring to some pirate or other as "Yonko." It is likely that is Luffy takes down Kaido, people might start calling Luffy an emperor; this has very little to do with what the WG has to say.
Third: You're probably right that the WG uses this system to categorize the Grand Line, but only because this "system" is already in place - people call some pirates or other Yonko, and the WG keeps track of this. They don't manipulate it in any way - they probably couldn't, since that involves directly engaging/directing the most powerful pirates around - they just take note of who is recognized by the world (not to be confused with the world government) as Yonko.
Fourth: If the system is just a way of recognizing the most powerful pirates around, the only way for it to crumble would be if there was no longer any point in the classification. It doesn't fall simply because 2 of them are defeated - that just means 2 people who were on top aren't any more. It only falls if there are no pirates worth calling emperors, or if there are so many that the special name loses its meaning (if territory is scattered amongst a ton of pirates, then no one could be said to really have an "empire"). Maybe there are other conditions, but none of them have to do with the government's say-so.
Yonko = Emperors. It just refers to Pirates with significant strength and territory. Consider it to be somewhat like a country. Sure the WG could refuse to acknowledge some country or other (just like many countries do in real life), but that doesn't make the thing people call a country any less real.
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Uh, what?
Yonko aren't a government institution. They're not like the shichibukai. It's just an incidental label to show that those four people are the biggest powers of that area. If the number of them were to change, so would the label. It's just coincidental that someone replaces any of them after any of them falls. There's absolutely no obligation to continue that title should it no longer apply. It's little more than a nickname.
Just to bring you in here, I more or less agree.
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Haha when did I once call it a government institution? And then to base your entire criticism on your misunderstanding? I understand it was a subpr post but you're the one looking foolish now. Btw key words: "system", "categorization" (as gorosei are only ones seen discussing who will take next title). Also when WB died, the gorosei said something along lines of "who will take WBs place? Marco or Bb?"- that paraphrase is what made me believe that the system had been in place for awhile. Categorizational system. Not government institution. Read my posts before fucking them
Oh, and: Your example is awesome. The gorosei don't get to decide who a Yonko is. Marco and BB are the likely pirates to take Whitebeard's territory, thus acquiring his "empire," and thus having the best shot at being called an emperor. They do have insight, since they were right that it would be either Marco or BB, but they don't name or title anyone. The term "system" is super misleading, since it really is just what people (generally - not specifically WG) call pirates with territory and strength. It's just various people being called the same thing with no real structure to it other than some properties and relations pertaining to the individuals themselves named Yonko.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I am going to be fairly dry. I like to be amiable, but you talked smack on the last person to reply to this; whether or not he is wrong (I don't really think he was), being a jerk does not merit being treated amiably.
Onto it…
Even at an epistemic level, this makes no sense. In other words, let's say you actually meant it is just a way for the WG to categorize pirates...
First: The WG doesn't "title" the Yonko. The Yonko seem to be determined simply by world-wide perception of them, which includes the perception of all persons as well as people associated with the WG. So, again, the WG does not decide who is considered a Yonko, though they might have some insight into who the strongest pirates around are. They do not "name" or "title" Yonko; at best they just acknowledge when a pirate is considered by the global (or perhaps just grand line) population to be a Yonko.
Second: Yonko will be "replaced" only if people - not the WG - start referring to some pirate or other as "Yonko." It is likely that is Luffy takes down Kaido, people might start calling Luffy an emperor; this has very little to do with what the WG has to say.
Third: You're probably right that the WG uses this system to categorize the Grand Line, but only because this "system" is already in place - people call some pirates or other Yonko, and the WG keeps track of this. They don't manipulate it in any way - they probably couldn't, since that involves directly engaging/directing the most powerful pirates around - they just take note of who is recognized by the world (not to be confused with the world government) as Yonko.
Fourth: If the system is just a way of recognizing the most powerful pirates around, the only way for it to crumble would be if there was no longer any point in the classification. It doesn't fall simply because 2 of them are defeated - that just means 2 people who were on top aren't any more. It only falls if there are no pirates worth calling emperors, or if there are so many that the special name loses its meaning (if territory is scattered amongst a ton of pirates, then no one could be said to really have an "empire"). Maybe there are other conditions, but none of them have to do with the government's say-so.
Yonko = Emperors. It just refers to Pirates with significant strength and territory. Consider it to be somewhat like a country. Sure the WG could refuse to acknowledge some country or other (just like many countries do in real life), but that doesn't make the thing people call a country any less real.
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Just to bring you in here, I more or less agree.
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Oh, and: Your example is awesome. The gorosei don't get to decide who a Yonko is. Marco and BB are the likely pirates to take Whitebeard's territory, thus acquiring his "empire," and thus having the best shot at being called an emperor. They do have insight, since they were right that it would be either Marco or BB, but they don't name or title anyone. The term "system" is super misleading, since it really is just what people (generally - not specifically WG) call pirates with territory and strength. It's just various people being called the same thing with no real structure to it other than some properties and relations pertaining to the individuals themselves named Yonko.
All you needed to do was apologize