Bart Simpson Thread XI: The Movie - The Manga Adaption - The Animation

Mickamott

@James:

Didn't Naruto's "final arc" also lasted way longer than anybody had expected it? :P
I meant Kubo will most likely want to reach 700 chapters to show that his manga is in the very same league like Naruto. I doubt he will get there though, at least not with the quality he has delievered so far in his final arc. Somewhere half-way during those 100 chapters he has planned, Jump will say "dude, we need to talk" and then Bleach will end around 650 chapters. At least I hope it does, another 2 years with going two steps forward and then two steps backwards in progress every couple chapters….horrible image...

I meant because Bleach's final arc was actually announced as its final arc back in Feb 2012, whereas in Naruto people weren't too sure when it was gonna end considering possibilities of drawing out the manga past the war. One would think a pre-planned final blowout would last under four years, but let's not discuss Bleach further here.

kouch_lee

Ok, I'll admit, nice touch with the bandaged arm in the third movie, didn't catch that before.

And if Naruto does end up with Hinata instead of Sakuman, as it seems to be implied so far. . .Yeah, that'd cool too, I guess.

James Rye

Kishi knows how to make money. I would watch it ifas long as there is some sort of decent love scenes between Naruto and Hinata.Now that Sasuke has been dealt with he should have his brain free to notice that (some) woman are worth his time and attention and not only Sasuke this, Sasuke that, Sasuke here, Sasuke there… -_-

And Kakashi is the....well, it makes sort of sense, doesn't it?

Outerspec

@Kishido:

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Awesome… Kishi is a smart business man... He knows that the paring wankers will open their wallet to see this shit... That's why he won't show it in the manga.

Next movie will be about Kakashi and his true face... After it TenTen and the Rikudou tools... and so on

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Are they rehashing their fight near the water tower with another chidori/rasengan clash!?

Kishido

I doubt it's Sasuke. Way to tall and YELLOW energy beams. I think it's the villian fucking Naruto's mind or something like that

Outerspec

Villain: "I know you're like a demi-god and everything but let me remind you of the time you had an angst fight against your only friend."

Naruto: "You don't have to do that. That happens every other week."

Algetrig

Kakashi as the new hokage? I'm into that. Although I wonder what Kishi is going to do about Tsunade… I guess she could just retire Hiruzen style

user

I thought this garbage was already over, but apperantly there's another chapter.

So 1 more week and no more hourly waits for OP to get scanlated. yay.

Nobodyman

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Rocky1125

@Kishido:

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Awesome… Kishi is a smart business man... He knows that the paring wankers will open their wallet to see this shit... That's why he won't show it in the manga.

Next movie will be about Kakashi and his true face... After it TenTen and the Rikudou tools... and so on

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I thought the short hair on Naruto looked kinda cool at first, but now seeing it in motion, he has like….. a really big forehead. :wassat:

Also.... since Kakashi looks to be the hokage, it looks like the series will be concluded without Naruto becoming the hokage.... not sure how I feel about that.

KageKageKing

Of course after Kakashi being curstomped in every fight in part 2, becoming Hokage was the least Kishi could do.

MDL

@Rocky1125:

it looks like the series will be concluded without Naruto becoming the hokage…. not sure how I feel about that.

Well, his main motivation for doing it in the beginning was to be recognized and loved because he was sick of being the outcast.
But over the course of the series, everyone began to love him and treat him like a hero. Technically, his goal has already been accomplished.

At this point, whether he gets the Hokage title or not is irrelevant.
I agree it feels strange, but I could also understand why it doesn't matter anymore.

Crossword

At least it shows that Kishimoto has some follow-through on at least something.

valiantt

@MDL:

Well, his main motivation for doing it in the beginning was to be recognized and loved because he was sick of being the outcast.
But over the course of the series, everyone began to love him and treat him like a hero. Technically, his goal has already been accomplished.

At this point, whether he gets the Hokage title or not is irrelevant.
I agree it feels strange, but I could also understand why it doesn't matter anymore.

Ehh…I dunno, It would be like Luffy stopping before Raftel and going "You know what? I don't need to become pirate king and figure out this whole mystery behind the Void Century. I'm just happy to be a pirate and have friends." The END!

Yeah, after like 700 chapters of investment with Naruto running around going "I'm gonna be hokage" (heck isn't that the motivation behind this final fight with Sasuke anyway? Arguing over being Hokage?), I'm kinda bummed that we don't get to see Naruto fulfill his objective even though he has many friends, matured since the start of the serie, blah blah blah. As much as I hate to say it, but Naruto definitely developed character-wise in certain ways that makes him Hokage material but...yeah he's not there yet.

A dreadful part of me wants 10 or so more chapters as an adult and become Hokage just so we can see a completion of this "dream" after following him around for 700 chapters. Heck, you know what, I would like to see Naruto as a goofy teacher with his own squad of irritating archetypes. I think it would be kinda cute and charming if it were written by the Rock Lee spin off guy.

Kishido

x20a

@Algetrig:

Kakashi as the new hokage? I'm into that. Although I wonder what Kishi is going to do about Tsunade… I guess she could just retire Hiruzen style

He was going to be the hokage anyway until Tsunade woke up from her coma.

Tsuande will probably retire. She's old and a woman so Kishi will toss her to the side.

Halfmetal-lich

Hokage Kakashi?

Eh, alright.

x20a

@Rocky1125:

Also…. since Kakashi looks to be the hokage, it looks like the series will be concluded without Naruto becoming the hokage.... not sure how I feel about that.

Naruto will become the superkage, becoming the head of all the nations and a symbol of peace between former foes.

Basically, he's the head of the ninja UN.

cremino

I think we will have to wait for the movie for the end of the story…...

ShiChimera

The end is so close I can almost taste it.

Nobodyman

Becoming Hokage is kind of beneath Naruto at this point.

bryannmaina

@Razh:

Reminds me of Rundel Haus.

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Someone else too, but I can't quite…

16chars of Gremmy a la Bleach?

MDL

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ARTEMlS

Oh my, today I was in my comic book shop and had a discussion with someone who likes Naruto and thinks Naruto has better character development, storytelling and world-building than One Piece.

Yeah, Kaguya is a perfectly fleshed-out character. I just didn't understand / read carefully enough. And Rock Lee and Neji are also characters with great characterisation and development. I only have to read some additional material to understand them better. (I was too apathetic about this material to ask further questions, so I don't know what exactly.) Obito's motivation is also okay and in absolutely no way doubtful.

And Robby, you are just totally wrong about Naruto's development. Of course, there is development and he gets more mature all over the course of the story.

Oh, and for example Ace's fire power is way too broken whereas Uchiha hax like Izanagi reality warping is okay.

.access timeco.

@Bartholemew:

Oh my, today I was in my comic book shop and had a discussion with someone who likes Naruto and thinks Naruto has better character development, storytelling and world-building than One Piece.

So you actually entered a discussion with this person?

ArmamentHero

One Piece is just better, Naruto is good, but nowhere near as awesome as One Piece. Oh, I don't know about that villain in the movie… He better be somewhat of a badass, and fit in the story.

ARTEMlS

@.access:

So you actually entered a discussion with this person?

Actually I started the discussion by stating my opinion of Naruto while talking about some other stuff. It was something about the correlation of good storytelling and commercial success IIRC and I brought in Naruto.

Just out of curiousity, who would you consider the final boss if you had to choose one person? Kaguya or Sasuke?

ArmamentHero

@Bartholemew:

Actually I started the discussion by stating my opinion of Naruto while talking about some other stuff. It was something about the correlation of good storytelling and commercial success IIRC and I brought in Naruto.

Just out of curiousity, who would you consider the final boss if you had to choose one person? Kaguya or Sasuke?

I'd consider Madara or Sasuke because kaguya was just an empty character.

Purple Hermit

Technically speaking, I would consider Zetsu the final boss

ArmamentHero

Zetsu? I guess you could say that, because he altered the Uchiha tablet, eventually manipulating Madara.

.access timeco.

@Bartholemew:

Just out of curiousity, who would you consider the final boss if you had to choose one person? Kaguya or Sasuke?

Kaguya. Sadly. 16 sad characters.

Purple Hermit

@ArmamentHero:

Zetsu? I guess you could say that, because he altered the Uchiha tablet, eventually manipulating Madara.

He's basically the closest thing Kaguya has to a personality and pretty much Aizen'd the entire plot, plus, as soon as she came back, he was basically her mouth and ego, so go figure

ArmamentHero

@Purple:

He's basically the closest thing Kaguya has to a personality and pretty much Aizen'd the entire plot, plus, as soon as she came back, he was basically her mouth and ego, so go figure

I actually agree, lol. Kaguya was pointless
I did like her abilities though, just lack of point.

EA575

So, Naruto, about that arm…
Kishi didn't make any sketches for Neji, did he?

Piitan

Time to go rescue that Wood-guy so that his cells can regrow NaruSuke's arms.

.access timeco.

To be fair, we didn't got sketches for Sasuke, Hinata and Kankuro yet, so the possibility is still out there.

MetaMario

@Bartholemew:

Just out of curiousity, who would you consider the final boss if you had to choose one person? Kaguya or Sasuke?

Mmm Sasuke. Maybe if he wasn't so evil and determined to kill Naruto these past few chapters, it could've been just a fun rival battle to wrap things up.

As for Kaguya….woof.

Piitan

@.access:

To be fair, we didn't got sketches for Sasuke, Hinata and Kankuro yet, so the possibility is still out there.

~~We actually do have a Sasuke's sketch, but I can't find a version that doesn't have a stupid watermark on.~~ Forget that. Went checking, we don't have a full-sized Sasuke sketch, only the upper half of his body.

ArmamentHero

At least Sasuke had somewhat of a good reason to dislike the kage system. But the fight was ultimately still between two rivals with different perspectives. Naruto was going to stop and change him.

Bigivel

@ArmamentHero:

At least Sasuke had somewhat of a good reason to dislike the kage system. But the fight was ultimately still between two rivals with different perspectives. Naruto was going to stop and change him.

Good reason to dislike the 3rd Hokage and his advisers you want say. Is not because a president of a country is a totally jackass that the system is wrong or bad. But we're talking of a person that wanted to destroy an entire village, because the leaders of it secretly killed his family. So certainly he thinks he have a good reason to dislike that system.

desa

@Bigivel:

Good reason to dislike the 3rd Hokage and his advisers you want say. Is not because a president of a country is a totally jackass that the system is wrong or bad. But we're talking of a person that wanted to destroy an entire village, because the leaders of it secretly killed his family. So certainly he thinks he have a good reason to dislike that system.

They killed his clan(race?). And using his brother for that.

Razh

@bryannmaina:

16chars of Gremmy a la Bleach?

Fuck, that's right! His human visage must have slipped my mind after that brain thing.

ArmamentHero

@Bigivel:

Good reason to dislike the 3rd Hokage and his advisers you want say. Is not because a president of a country is a totally jackass that the system is wrong or bad. But we're talking of a person that wanted to destroy an entire village, because the leaders of it secretly killed his family. So certainly he thinks he have a good reason to dislike that system.

I did say somewhat of a good reason. I view Sasuke's character as one where he was confused and ultimately warped because of his clan being slaughtered by his own brother. Throughout the entire series, we've seen him make declarations and act on them, but failed. Or the fact because of the fact he was warped, it made him an easy target to be manipulated. In Sasuke's mind, he thought this was the best route, but slowly and surely, he felt bitter. Even more bitter of Naruto for being almost the same as him. But Naruto was looking to bond with others. Sasuke considered that as weakness, because honestly he was afraid to lose a special bond unexpectedly, so once again, he was made out to be complex, but in reality, he was simple. Him wanting to kill the kage system was what killed his family. Every village has done very shady shit, and Sasuke thought it was right, but he failed, and admitted he was wrong. That's just my take on it.

LordPerucho

So we will never know how Tobirama lost to fodders in Kinkaku and Ginkaku and also the strength of Prime Hiruzen.

JaxSazz

@x20a:

He's the #1 most misogynistic writer in Jump.

Big deal. He just can't handle storytelling.

NANLIT

@LordPerucho:

So we will never know how Tobirama lost to fodders in Kinkaku and Ginkaku and also the strength of Prime Hiruzen.

Did we ever learn even how Hashirama died? I don't remember it ever being said how specifically he died.

Monkey King

@Bartholemew:

Oh my, today I was in my comic book shop and had a discussion with someone who likes Naruto and thinks Naruto has better character development, storytelling and world-building than One Piece.

In a mind occupied by bad taste I can understand coming to the first two conclusions. But the last has to be impossible no matter how deranged or tasteless someone is. What the fuck.

Mickamott

One Piece's world building is indeed excellent and a key basis that allows it to easily stay interesting. It's a fundamental that Oda just nails.

Kishimoto attempted to create his world, and laid some groundwork, but the befuddled mess it's turned into is just a skeleton of what it should be. What even lies beyond the borders of the nations shown to us? That map can't be it right? FMA told us what lie beyond Amestris, even though it didn't have the biggest direct impact on the story (for the most part). Within the borders what about all the villages/nations that we never saw, or ones that we saw thinly veiled.

Heck, what even else goes on in the world that doesn't involve Naruto and/or Sasuke for god sake!

valiantt

@Mickamott:

Heck, what even else goes on in the world that doesn't involve Naruto and/or Sasuke for god sake!

No idea, but they must have had a really strange day when Infinite Tsukiyomi happened.

Doffy. D Evil

@Outerspec:

Kishi was never going to off-screen Uchiha Madara. He was built up as a final villain for over 300 chapters. Can't say the same for Kaguya. So yeah, he got 2 pages goodbye.

The whole love cancer thing was used to explain the deeper mechanics of how an Uchiha gains a Sharingan after someone close to them dies. Yes, it can also be used as an excuse for why the Uchiha behave the way they do but then you have to look at a character like Uchiha Shisui who proves a Uchiha Clan member with a Sharingan doesn't = automatically hate filled person. Just because the Uchiha Clan is "cursed" doesn't mean they can all be redeemable. Kishi never went for that angle with Madara.

Sasuke might be the Uchiha version of Mitt Romney but his goals and motivations have changed as the story has progressed.

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=41343&page=134&p=3317475&viewfull=1#post3317475

That is development. I'm not debating for the quality of the development but you can't say, "The Naruto Sasuke fight is just the extension of the exact same fight they had FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY CHAPTERS AGO (this is true), and neither of the two has changed an ounce in personality or motivation since then! (not so much) "

550 chapters ago they were fighting because Sasuke was trying to leave a village. 550 chapters later they're fighting for the fate of the world. In fact, Sasuke is fighting for exact opposite thing he was fighting for in Part 1. Before, he was fighting to leave the village and grow stronger to kill Itachi. Now, he fights in memory of Itachi and is trying to honor him by becoming what he believes to be a true Hokage.

It's not legit development when he is literally flip-flopping for the sake of the plot . And there is a big difference between when a character really shows growth while also being consistent with the established characterization and when it is shoved down the audience throat and the latter is exactly what Kishi does . Sasuke wanting to become the hokage is the biggest example i can give as it comes out of nowhere and it no way in hell says anything about Sasuke's growth . It's basically forced for the sake of plot .

There is a lot more to character growth then simply "he changed so he's developed " .