So Sasuke's solution is:
"I'll kill you guys if you won't stop killing each other!"
It's bad when they kill each other, but it's fine with him killing them if they won't stop or if they revolt against him.
Naruto and Bleach V - The Not-So-Final Frontier
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As fucking usual, Kishimoto pads out the chapter with flashbacks and repetitive dialogue. I'm starting to doubt if the manga will really end this year.
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Yeah, I admit it, it was stupid of me to think Kishi would settle this whole, final, useless Sasunardo fight in just a couple of chapters.
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So Sasuke's solution is:
"I'll kill you guys if you won't stop killing each other!"
It's bad when they kill each other, but it's fine with him killing them if they won't stop or if they revolt against him.
It's called parenting.
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It's called parenting.
I remember the days when my parents would threaten to kill me when I threatened to kill my friends
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It's called ninja parenting.
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I'm failing to see exactly how Sasuke sets himself apart from Itachi.
"Itachi killed or alienated and abandoned his entire family and everyone he ever cared about, was labeled a traitor, and took all the hatred on himself! But I'm Different!
…Because I'm even more alone-erer than he was?"
Pretty much that. Itachi ruined everything by leaving his little brother alive - thanks to that, the "hatred cycle" continued because he left someone who would want to avenge him survive.
But Sasuke doesn't have any family left. All he has is his best friend, who he intends to kill right now succeeding where Itachi failed (kill his most beloved person).
The point is not leaving anyone behind who will grief for you and try to avenge you. If no one who loves you is left, no one will resent your death and no hatred will be born or something along those lines.
What I find funny is that, in the end, Sasuke came to the conclusion that everything Itachi did was right, but sparing Sasuke. He believes the way Itachi behave by killing his whole family and harboring the hatred for it was how a true Hokage should act… everything but taking pity on his little brother.
Basically, Sasuke became Danzou, the one he hated the most.
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Well if Kubo likes Spanish as much as he says, he can still make a SR "Ñ"
Is it just me or the first panel of this page is cut and copypasted from the second one? http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/599/3
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When everything's over, they should replace the Hokage Monument with Itachi and Obito's faces along with a museum dedicated to explaining why they're the coolest Hokages ever.
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It's called ninja parenting.
Pretty much that. Itachi ruined everything by leaving his little brother alive - thanks to that, the "hatred cycle" continued because he left someone who would want to avenge him survive.
But Sasuke doesn't have any family left. All he has is his best friend, who he intends to kill right now succeeding where Itachi failed (kill his most beloved person).
The point is not leaving anyone behind who will grief for you and try to avenge you. If no one who loves you is left, no one will resent your death and no hatred will be born or something along those lines.
What I find funny is that, in the end, Sasuke came to the conclusion that everything Itachi did was right, but sparing Sasuke. He believe the way Itachi behaved by killing his whole family and harboring the hatred for it was how a true Hokage should act… everything but taking pity on his little brother.
Basically, Sasuke became Danzou, the one he hated the most.
So Sasuke new ideology basically is to make mass genocides in order to stop the hate.
Man what great role model.
Edit: Wait wasn't this Nagato original plan?
Just change hate with fear
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This chapter was ok to me. No answer that Sasuke gave was ever going to satisfy, but I liked that he least tried to process everything he had learned in his attempt to come up with a solution. And I'm glad all the "Naruto is crazy girlfriend" jokes can end now that we know Sasuke indeed felt the same way haha
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It was obivious that Sasuke felt the same way… Everyone who hasn't seen it has been an idiot. He still is the biggest "emo" in manga history... Holy shit... But Hagoromo still is winning the No 1 award of the most stupid person ever... Instead of giving him this power I would crack his stupid skull after that stupid answer of him. And now he just says fuck off I'm going. Do your shit on your own.
BTW After reading the parody... Why isn't Kakashi undoing the damn Genjutsu? is he really that fodder not able to do it without Sharingan or will it be explained with a super duper hax Jutsu no one bar Sasuke can break.
Would be new that Sasuke suddenly became a Genjutsu god.
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I haven't read Naruto in ages, but it looks like it's finally ending? And Sasuke's reasoning is the same as every generic JRPG villain: "I will save the world by killing everyone" ?
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People can say Madara and Obito wanted to put people into a genjutsu and no one would have a free will… I could understand that. Still they wanted "peace"
But Nagato had the exact same goal as Sasuke... Just change hate into fear.
So did the last Sasuke bystanders say that Nagato was right as well? That it could work and isn't evil? He was like Batman? Nagato wasn't that nuts that he wanted to kill Konan cuz she was close to him...
Seriously... This is nuts... And is already shit enough that Sasuke will get talk no jutsued as well by Naruto and Sakura will still suck his cock and everything will be fine after it.
The only real villian with a common mind was Orochimaru... No peace shit or pseudo "good" guy
Shit level writing this is.
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And its clear that you can have SR sharing a letter, like the 2 A's or the case of the identical twins Loyd brothers…
But it was explained in their flashback that they had the same ability because they started to imitate each other. And Uryu is Yhwach's successor so it's logical that he inherits his letter. If we really had some Sternritter with identical letters apart from the ones we know already, we'd have to go through even more fights.
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Sasuke has friends?
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People can say Madara and Obito wanted to put people into a genjutsu and no one would have a free will… I could understand that. Still they wanted "peace"
But Nagato had the exact same goal as Sasuke... Just change hate into fear.
So did the last Sasuke bystanders say that Nagato was right as well? That it could work and isn't evil? He was like Batman? Nagato wasn't that nuts that he wanted to kill Konan cuz she was close to him...
Seriously... This is nuts... And is already shit enough that Sasuke will get talk no jutsued as well by Naruto and Sakura will still suck his cock and everything will be fine after it.
The only real villian with a common mind was Orochimaru... No peace shit or pseudo "good" guy
Shit level writing this is.
I don't think Sasuke plan is very similar to Nagato's. He is actually thinking along the same lines as the-villain-from-another-anime-I-will-not-name-because-it-is-a-big-spoiler-since-you-are-supposed-to-only-find-it-out-in-the-last-episode,-but-everyone-already-mentioned-it-in-previous-posts, except he didn't revealed the "dying in the end" bit yet.
Not saying that it is a good plan, I fail to see how Sasuke plans would work (not to mention "joining all the world against a common enemy" was something that just happened), I'm just saying they are different.
Not to mention Sasuke is just fooling himself, he is saying "Hey, I am perfectly ok with what happened now, I actually think what happened to my family was right and the only mistake Itachi did was leaving me alive", when he is clearly just trying to cope out with the pain of losing everyone by trying to make it sound like something good.
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Thanks for the help. I think I understand better why a lot of you don't like the series. So this is gonna be my last little mass quote reply. Also a lot of the points you made were valid, so while I don't necessarily agree with how much they impacted the story, I won't bother rehashing them. @Purple:
Same difference. Croc was shown with one allied help sorta deal before Marineford, and Gaara was shown as "well I guess we're allies now" against Kimimaro. For all I know, Croc could be one of those pirates that ends up helping Luffy out and follows his dream of being pirate king (shown, not told to us, in Miss Goldenweek's side story). Rival pirate? Sure, but so was Traffy.
See the difference is that Croc was never repentant. Sure he showed up as an ally but everyone was aware that it was strictly because it was in his best interests. He was never like "wow Luffy, that whole never getting up spirit and desire to fight to help others is pretty cool. Maybe I should think about trying that." Gaara was shown rethinking his way of living. With Crocodile it wouldn't be out of character if he went and did the exact same thing.
Actually, in this fight, Naruto was actually using his brain here and remembered "this guy has a gap in time where he can't do anything! Attack his weak point for massive damage!" It really didn't have much to do with anything concerning his being weakened, and in fact the only reason why he got the advantaged to pin down Naruto earlier was because of robo pain's noble sacrifice.
The fact that Naruto could resist a gravity push that was able to smash the giant toad out of fight with only a bunch of shadow clones is entirely because Pain was weakened. The same weakness stopped Pain from being able to hold the Kyubbi in that ball.
Sure they're not the same, but the relative threats are pretty demanding. I think that, with enough time and training, Gon and friends might be able to have beaten the ants without as many sacrifices as they had. Gon's future potential basically was this super incredibly buff guy that can really deal some major damage, but the restriction in this case was time. They don't have nearly the amount of time they'd like to plan and make sure the pieces are set (but they do a damn good job setting things up anyway), and so the cost was either life sacrifice (Netero) or some reeeaaalll hairy scenarios (Shoot)
Same deal with Akatsuki. If you're going to have a fight come early against them, really show that there is a clear and present danger. These guys are top elites who don't sweat fighting uncontrolled forces of nature and even see untamed beasts as taking candy from a baby, and the fights against them should be equally monstrous. The fillers in the anime are poorly written, but I'd imagine they provide a good amount of buffer time to really say "well hey, here's a spot where we can develop the characters and not have most of this villainous cast get wiped out like obligatory checklists for an arc!" Also, actual choreography that's followable compared to Kishimoto's.
Haki's a pretty fucking huge deal when at this point in the story, it's pretty much a prerequisite to having any chance against the top tiers, and it's pretty clear he also honed his abilities concerning his gears. Clear outcomes, very understandable as to the mechanics of such training (harden your body to hit things harder! Predict things as they come!. Now combine that with super speed and/or just a general mass size increase and you've got a formula for destruction). This isn't some intangible training formula. It's very clear what things Luffy worked on and improved on rather than "Luffy just got a bunch of forbidden techniques to help him train."
Yeah its clear what he worked on. But even with all that, does it really make that much more sense that preskip he needed all the strongest techniques of all his crew members to sneak a win against a pacifista, and after the skip he was able to oneshot the thing with a simple gear 2 punch?
Or worse, let's suppose he does spend six months cutting a leaf. Great! Now he has nature manipulation and can spend the other 1.5 years inventing new techniques (or hell, finish his disciple's technique, or hell, why didn't Jiraiya finish it up?). Clear goals, clear improvement. But let's suppose that we see the six months as something of a time drag and want to explore alternatives such as what actually happened.
The goal of Jiraiya for Naruto was for him to better control the Kyubbi chakra. And he's able to call it basically at will after the timeskip. Wasting all that time on a concept that generally take years before they become battle ready was not a better option.
Clear plot leveling, showing us this crazy James Bond villain who's also incredibly strong. Showed that Luffy isn't completely invincible and might go through some rough patches in his journey. It's why Arabasta is one of One Piece's highly regarded arcs where Luffy really does struggle
Renji is basically Ichigo's equal at that point in the story. Neither have mastered the true upper level of powers, and they're both motivated by their dedication to Rukia, but in a few different ways. It's a clear movement in the plot to resolve this conflict right here and now and really demonstrates where the characters are. Also, it gives us a hint about the hollow side of Ichigo that's still present in him.
But really this example doesn't compare because Renji isn't built up to the same expectations as "evil super villain group planninng on maybe world domination or something?" A "Cost" is necessary when the character or antagonizing force has been built up and shown to be some real crazy stuff way above what the protagonists can normally handle on a more equal level. It's more along the lines of something like, let's say, the espada. In fact, I like that analogy. 10ish guys built up reaaalll big only to die in reaaallll cheap ways. Akatsuki are these guys who don't sweat taking down these chaotic maelstroms given animal form, and Espadas are pretty close to Vasto Lorde level if they weren't before then, which Hitsu said "basically, if aizen has ten of these guys, we're fucked." And they all die in stupid, stupid ways. Granted some hilarious ways given the circumstances (Mayuri's fight against Apollo, but the fight itself was also really awful).
Yeah Renji was a bad comp. Espada does work best, although I would argue they never tangibly built their threat as well as the akutsuki did. They were the type of group that had a losing streak before the real battles even started.
We cared in the sense of "What the fuck? Why would Kishimoto do this after basically completely neglecting his character?"
We care because we liked the guy in Part 1, dammit. And to see him go out in such a stupid way is so ridiculous. He gets zero screen time essentially, and he goes out in a way that's pretty damn stupid. And worse, Kishimoto completely used the bird analogy completely wrong (and why were there guys forming it when they didn't even know Neji?)I will admit that most of the feelings for the secondary characters are built entirely from part 1.
See? We got empathy for the character because he had what we call an "arc". and I'm not talking a general story arc that encompasses story chapters. I'm talking a general growth for the character where we really get a feel for the character's plight, struggle, and place in life. We see him or her develop, make mistakes, have a weird-ass thought process, but ultimately they grow into a more mature or wiser character that really understands how they need to improve in life. Or maybe they don't. That's cool too, but all in all there needs to be a "journey" that happens with exploration so we the readers can say "Hey! I feel ya man. I really empathize with you." if this sort of sacrifice is to be made.
Sakura's case on the other hand is a case of complete devolution where she becomes completely defined by her irrational obsession with Sauces. When you build a character that the audience has nothing to base any identity of or really say "sakura's a sweet girl but she's misguided" and worse, crush any sliver of development (friendships with Ino, kinda figuring out what role she has on the team… hey wasn't she really really ridiculous smart at one point? That's how she passed the first phase of the chunin exam (technically)) she had throughout part 1 (but the ball for that was basically rolling by the retrieval arc), of course most of us here are going to roast her character for doing some incredibly stupid decisions rather than say "I feel that there are people who get abused irl liek dis if u cry errytiem"
haha I'm just gonna stop defending her now… Honestly I never really thought in detail about her character.
Course, you do need responsible leadership that's been there, done that and can take up important clutch plays when the going gets tough, but you don't have to have your strongest guy completely tied down to filling out Konoha's income statement for the Daimyo's auditors or telling people "Your mission is to clean the toilets." or alternatively, not being out there in charge and being a crucial cornerstone of victory. It makes a helluva lot of sense for the Nara clan to be taking that organizational work than even Kakashi, let alone a dull orange suited ninja or an emotionally unstable defector who's threatened to annihilate the village on more than one occasion.
The regular duties of the Hokage are indeed bureaucratic, but the point was for those "young whippersnappers" to handle the grunt work. I would equate it to the queen on the chess board. Sure some people like to fling it around the point at any point in the game, but thats an easy way to lose your most powerful piece. But when stuff really gets hairy, like during the all three of the invasion incidents for Konaho, the Hokage is essentially around to be the last insurmountable line of defense. You may not agree with that style, but it makes sense.
Implying years of experience, perhaps if his Shisui eye were working, and reality bending hijinx aren't strong. PLUS being a hokage candidate (even though his actual standings as a kage are pretty hilarious as well because of his shady dealings).
Hey when I have the ability to use cheat codes to fight a little shit when I'm old and not as strong as Clint Eastwood do you really think I'm going to pass it up? Of course Danzo isn't as strong. He's definitely not in his prime, that's for sure, but the old dog still has a bunch of tricks up his sleeve that say "Hey Don't fuck with me you runt." And of course reality bending is hella strong. If Sauce didn't have Karin by his side narrating everything that was happening, he probably could have been done in. Against any other character, Danzo probably could have fucked with them enough til they cried uncle.
And the third was hella strong too, even past his prime. I don't believe Danzo was as strong as Sarutobi, but hey, he's still kickin'
Sorry that was supposed to be "not as good as the third". The whole reason that Danzo was a hokage candidate was because he was willing to do all that shady, callous, and unethical stuff that 3rd, 4th, and 5th wouldn't do. His entire role was essentially as the guy who represented most of the bad crap Konaha had been doing the past few years. We have no evidence he was exceptionally strong, or that he was even supposed to be.
Implying Kage level isn't supposed to be pretty ridiculous itself. This is Naruto's ideal, right? Be the strongest dude around in the village, and in particular the hokage is the strongest of the five kages because it is the hokage [sic].
Naruto literally parrots that he wants to be the hokage because it will mean everybody in the village has acknowledged him. It had nothing to do with wanting to be the strongest. Also, as dumb as it is, I separate hokage level from kage level haha. Basically Kage level is like the cream of crop. And hokage level is the step above that where you essentially have no peers. But you don't need to be a kage to be kage level.
It's also why Guy's eight gate thing is really a feat unto itself because the power level really is out of this world and puts him on par with Madara, but even before then at the seventh or sixth gate we can already see "Holy shit, this guy's fucking amazing in terms of battle power and outclasses most of everyone below him. "Kage" level strength was supposed to be "holy shit" and doesn't need to be uber tier, but it's a pretty crazy power level when people like Hashirama, who had magic cells, Tobirama, who invented a ton of techs and even that one forbidden one that was really really really ridiculously unethical, Sarutobi, who was trained by those two guys and even past his prime is stupid strong, Minato, a child prodigy, taught by one of the legendary ninja taught by Sarutobi and while not good as many things as the previous two guys was really fucking good at just one thing and really maximizing on it because that one thing he was really really good at turns out to be pretty much the best thing a ninja could ask for, Yes, Kage level should be something insane.
See I separate those out. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd were all basically peerless and so hokage level. The 4th and 5th however, were not. Guy's 8th gate goes beyond anything shown before the war.
"Well, they outclass the rest of their peers, their elders, and the majority of the world save for a handful of the top echelon (and even then they're pretty much on par), but it's okay because it could be worse!"
They were stronger than their peers. But they weren't demonstrably stronger than all of their elders. I doubt the other kages would have had any qualms about fighting either one.
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Naruto: How can you say that about Sasuke?! I love Sasuke and Sasuke loves me! He's not all bad! Sasuke just needs someone to believe in him. Can you just give Sasuke a chance?!
Kakashi: Naruto, Sasuke is a mass murderer, he's pure evil! And you have to kill him!
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Naruto: How can you say that about Sasuke?! I love Sasuke and Sasuke loves me! He's not all bad! Sasuke just needs someone to believe in him. Can you just give Sasuke a chance?!
Kakashi: Naruto, Sasuke is a mass murderer, he's pure evil! And you have to kill him!
Naruto: I won't destroy the only thing I've ever loved! I won't kill Sasuke! Never, ever! …wahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :(In Part 3, Sasuke's genetic material will be infused into that of a dog, except in this case it'll be an incredibly emo Chihuahua.
Also, Kakashi will have to really hone in and stop his pedophilia problem.
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How is this manga even gonna end? It was already groan worthy when Sasuke was "redeemed" and declared his intention to be Hokage, but there is literally no reason to support him in this insane evil goal of his.
If Sasuke gets "redeemed" again, I swear…..
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How is this manga even gonna end? It was already groan worthy when Sasuke was "redeemed" and declared his intention to be Hokage, but there is literally no reason to support him in this insane evil goal of his.
If Sasuke gets "redeemed" again, I swear….."Hitler had some good ideas"
-> Hitler Love reference (already been made at least three times for this chapter)
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@Purple:
"Hitler had some good ideas"
-> Hitler Love reference (already been made at least three times for this chapter)
If Naruto can suddenly call Obito a "cool guy", then we are f**ked.
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That's right Kakashi, you just have to BOLIEVE!!!!!!!!! (WWE reference)
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Bleach: So now we have Thor and Aizen's cousin?
Naruto:
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rything by leaving his little brother alive - thanks to that, the "hatred cycle" continued because he left someone who would want to avenge him survive.
The Evolution of Sasukes philosophy:
"Itachi killed my entire clan! He will regret leaving me alive, because I dedicate my life to killing that motherfucker!"
"What? Itachi killed my entire clan to protect Konoha? I instantly love him again, even though he still very much murdered everyone, only now he had a different motive for it. No, the real villains are the village elders, who gave Itachi the opportunity to make the calculated, conscious choice to murder my clan! And everyone in the village calling him a villain while enjoying the peace he provided?! EXACTLY LIKE ITACHI INTENDED!?!?? Well fuck them too, Itachi was a hero for murdering my beloved family, and I'll make everyone know it!"
"Wait, hang on, could you zombies repeat everything again, I'm not sure what my motivation is, I'm so confused"
"Right! So, Itachi was totally right on the money with the whole killing my clan and becoming the villain thing. I'm gonna go do that again, only on a global scale."
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Naruto: How can you say that about Sasuke?! I love Sasuke and Sasuke loves me! He's not all bad! Sasuke just needs someone to believe in him. Can you just give Sasuke a chance?!
Kakashi: Naruto, Sasuke is a mass murderer, he's pure evil! And you have to kill him!
Naruto: I won't destroy the only thing I've ever loved! I won't kill Sasuke! Never, ever! …wahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :(Hyperventilates
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I just realized that Sasuke is now Danzo, Uchiha edition. Complete with really shady activities supposedly for the greater good. Talk about irony.
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I just realized that Sasuke is now Danzo, Uchiha edition. Complete with really shady activities supposedly for the greater good. Talk about irony.
If only it was intentional…
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@Daz:
The Evolution of Sasukes philosophy:
"Itachi killed my entire clan! He will regret leaving me alive, because I dedicate my life to killing that motherfucker!"
"What? Itachi killed my entire clan to protect Konoha? I instantly love him again, even though he still very much murdered everyone, only now he had a different motive for it. No, the real villains are the village elders, who gave Itachi the opportunity to make the calculated, conscious choice to murder my clan! And everyone in the village calling him a villain while enjoying the peace he provided?! EXACTLY LIKE ITACHI INTENDED!?!?? Well fuck them too, Itachi was a hero for murdering my beloved family, and I'll make everyone know it!"
"Wait, hang on, could you zombies repeat everything again, I'm not sure what my motivation is, I'm so confused"
"Right! So, Itachi was totally right on the money with the whole killing my clan and becoming the villain thing. I'm gonna go do that again, only on a global scale."
*Right on. Except the 2nd part is more like, "What? Itachi killed my entire clan because the higher ups couldn't maintain peace after segrating and discriminating them and then decided to order Itachi to kill them to clean it up quickly? And he essentially was stuck in a situation where both sides were wrong, but if he did nothing it would basically lead to a civil war and probably a world war? And after he left they covered it up so he became a heinous villified deserter? And all those villagers living all happy while my brother went through hell? I'm definitely going to destroy the place that put him through that!
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Look Kubo, I don't complain about Bleach because I want to, I enjoyed it through the SS stuff quite a bit, but you need to put effort in if you want me to like what you make.
I liked the introduction of the four elites, mainly because of how insane their names were. X-axis, that is really strange and stupid. Death Dealer, so does this mean there will be double digit sternritters? Maybe we'll AA and AAA, or perhaps the biggest villain of all, EA. Overall I like the designs though, and I got a good laugh out of it. Especially Askin who looked like he was summoned while taking drugs.
Here's the big issue. You introduce these guys as the elite 4 of all the group. When all the others have been taken out like chumps, this doesn't really create a moment of " O crap, shits getting real", it's just more dread of boring battles happening. Also, by having X-axis take out an entity we know nothing about can't really hype them up, because we don't know anything about it, so it has no effect. Not impressed with the chick getting taken out, because either she's fine, or she served zero purpose than adding more hype to a character using a character that has done nothing.
It feels like you are trying to do a JoJo, like part three where each villain has a unique power that they must combat against. It's like part three with all the various stand users they had to go against. While a number of them felt rushed, what helped in that is everyone, no matter how strong there stand, is vulnerable to attacks. In this case, abilities can just be blocked because power levels. It doesn't work with having to deal with power levels.
Overall, I liked it enough, but there were so many things that stop it from being a good chapter from what could've been a great series.
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Here's the big issue. You introduce these guys as the elite 4 of all the group. When all the others have been taken out like chumps, this doesn't really create a moment of " O crap, shits getting real", it's just more dread of boring battles happening. Also, by having X-axis take out an entity we know nothing about can't really hype them up, because we don't know anything about it, so it has no effect. Not impressed with the chick getting taken out, because either she's fine, or she served zero purpose than adding more hype to a character using a character that has done nothing.
You missed the point.
The entity was huge. That´s all you need to know.(on a more serious note, i think it was the C that took out the big thing, and not X-Axis)
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You missed the point.
The entity was huge. That´s all you need to know.(on a more serious note, i think it was the C that took out the big thing, and not X-Axis)
I'll admit it, I've long went past the point of paying attention to the minor details, so I might've been wrong on that. Either way, my point stands, though I like your comment, gave me a good laugh.
I'm only into the first few pages of the Naruto chapter, and it's already so painful to read. Great logic there Sasuke, I'm pretty sure people in history that are fondly remembered thought the same thing. Part of me wants to find people who will think these chapters were deep, but I'm already at my limit in stupidity with the chapter, the thought someone trying to analyze the chapter by how Sasuke is deep, or anything about Bleach sickens me.
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Right on. Except the 2nd part is more like, "What? Itachi killed my entire clan because the higher ups couldn't maintain peace after segrating and discriminating them and then decided to order Itachi to kill them to clean it up quickly? And he essentially was stuck in a situation where both sides were wrong, but if he did nothing it would basically lead to a civil war and probably a world war? And after he left they covered it up so he became a heinous villified deserter? And all those villagers living all happy while my brother went through hell? I'm definitely going to destroy the place that put him through that!
They weren't segregated nor discriminated! They lived in the outskirts of the village and where the Police force. Note that the prison was in the Uchiha Police headquarters not directly where they lived. Is normal of a police headquarters to have a prison! You know to arrest people. Also they weren't discriminated, just bad mouthed by rumors(about the Kyubi attacking the village due to at least one of them), that ended being true given that it was all Obito Uchiha doing.
I live in the outskirts of Lisbon(Portugal capital), Hell most of the people live in the outskirts of Lisbon and than in the morning go to the center of it to work. The same with New York(Chinatown is in the outskirts of Manhattan, so I guess the Asians living there are segregated and discriminated) and any other city.
If being bad mouthed and looked bad by a rumor is being discriminated than I don't know what is discrimination. Do you know what you do when something like that happens? You try to clean your name, not fucking do a coup d'etat. Do you know whose clan also lived in the outskirts of the village? The Uzumaki Clan!Police in no way is a bad profession. It is one of the profession of authority in a country. It being treated as a bad thing is something really stupid.
The only real problem is that probably no Uchiha would gain the top position, Hokage in the village. And all because of the past of the creation of Konoha and their Love cancer(That it seems is right). But they got recognition for being elites in the village. Basically they wanted more power and not being looked bad upon. Their answer to that was getting into the power of Konoha by force and then force people to not badmouthing them. Well that is just what Madara and Obito did and Sasuke is doing.
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This chapter was ok to me. No answer that Sasuke gave was ever going to satisfy, but I liked that he least tried to process everything he had learned in his attempt to come up with a solution. And I'm glad all the "Naruto is crazy girlfriend" jokes can end now that we know Sasuke indeed felt the same way haha
Just because you love your girlfriend it doesn't make her less crazy!
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I just realized that Sasuke is now Danzo, Uchiha edition. Complete with really shady activities supposedly for the greater good. Talk about irony.
Danzo was a kind of Dark market type of man. He would do dirty work, but in the shadows. Sasuke wants to kill everybody in front of everybody. So I don't see how they are the same. The only thing similar is that they both do dirty work, but supposedly all ninjas do dirty work, well, not in Naruto.
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Well, if this series wants to go out with a bang, here's how the titling should go for these chapters.
Naruto and Sasuke (1)
Naruto and Sasuke (2) sitting in a tree
Naruto and Sasuke (3) K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Naruto and Sasuke (4) First comes hate
Naruto and Sasuke (5) Then comes angst
Naruto and Sasuke (6) Here comes Bee to rap about the end of the series
Part three: The new adventures of Bee: Rapping at Naruto and Sasukes Funeral -
Danzo was a kind of Dark market type of man. He would do dirty work, but in the shadows. Sasuke wants to kill everybody in front of everybody. So I don't see how they are the same. The only thing similar is that they both do dirty work, but supposedly all ninjas do dirty work, well, not in Naruto.
You know, there's more to a character than just how they do things. Danzo was all about stooping to any lengths to protect Konoha and the world in his own twisted and misguided ways. The man ordered the extermination of the Uchiha clan down to every elderly and child save Sasuke just to prevent the village from weakening in the eyes of others thus sparking another world war and causing untold destruction and deaths. Worse yet, the man believed that he was the only one who could do the job of achieving world peace, and he didn't give a damn about anyone else's opinions. He knew he was doing some seriously dirty stuff, but he didn't care because in his mind it was for the greater good. It all sounds remarkably similar to Sasuke's half assed Zero Requiem plan, right down to the "I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THE WORLD." So yes, they are rather similar, though Sasuke wouldn't appreciate the irony.
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Danzo: "Hey Sasuke you have sharingans? Check out my sharingans!"
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They weren't segregated nor discriminated! They lived in the outskirts of the village and where the Police force. Note that the prison was in the Uchiha Police headquarters not directly where they lived. Is normal of a police headquarters to have a prison! You know to arrest people. Also they weren't discriminated, just bad mouthed by rumors(about the Kyubi attacking the village due to at least one of them), that ended being true given that it was all Obito Uchiha doing.
I live in the outskirts of Lisbon(Portugal capital), Hell most of the people live in the outskirts of Lisbon and than in the morning go to the center of it to work. The same with New York(Chinatown is in the outskirts of Manhattan, so I guess the Asians living there are segregated and discriminated) and any other city.
If being bad mouthed and looked bad by a rumor is being discriminated than I don't know what is discrimination. Do you know what you do when something like that happens? You try to clean your name, not fucking do a coup d'etat. Do you know whose clan also lived in the outskirts of the village? The Uzumaki Clan!Police in no way is a bad profession. It is one of the profession of authority in a country. It being treated as a bad thing is something really stupid.
The only real problem is that probably no Uchiha would gain the top position, Hokage in the village. And all because of the past of the creation of Konoha and their Love cancer(That it seems is right). But they got recognition for being elites in the village. Basically they wanted more power and not being looked bad upon. Their answer to that was getting into the power of Konoha by force and then force people to not badmouthing them. Well that is just what Madara and Obito did and Sasuke is doing.
Yes if the New York government decided to gather all the Asians in the city and move them to an area in the outskirts of the city it would totally be segregation and discriminatory. The police thing was cool. I was talking about post Kyubbi attack, when they got put into what was basically a concentration camp under guard. It was messed up. It didn't mean they had to plan a coup, but its not like they were treated justly in the matter. The point was both sides made errors in judgement.
Just because you love your girlfriend it doesn't make her less crazy!
Haha true enough
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Yes if the New York government decided to gather all the Asians in the city and move them to an area in the outskirts of the city it would totally be segregation and discriminatory. The police thing was cool. I was talking about post Kyubbi attack, when they got put into what was basically a concentration camp under guard. It was messed up. It didn't mean they had to plan a coup, but its not like they were treated justly in the matter. The point was both sides made errors in judgement.
Haha true enough
They weren't put into a concentration camp under guard nor nothing like that after the Kyubi attack! That makes no sense at all! First they were the police so how in the hell would they protect the village if they were segregated to a certain area? How in the hell was Itachi an Anbu? How in the hell was sasuke going to the school where every damn kid in the village goes? If you're talking about all the Uchihas being in the same place together, that is for all clans in the village and was established in the formation of the village not after the Kyubi attack.
At that time, after kyubi attack, the thing that happened, is that everybody in the village pointed the fingers to the Uchihas with only rumors and suspicions, and blamed them for what happened.The village was created has a gathering of different clans, it makes sense that clans get attributed distinct land in the new place that was Konoha. As I said both Uchiha and Uzumaki were clans placed in the outskirts of Konoha. The Hyuga are also all together, but I don't remember ever being referred in what place of the village they are. The other clans like that of Shikamaru, Shoji, Kiba and Shino look to be all placed in one place as well.
The all discrimination and segregation began because of what Orochimaru said, it isn't even explicitly in the manga. I don't know why people think Orochimaru is right in what he said more because he before that said the bullshit about the police being a bad thing. Basically Orochimaru said that putting the prison in the police headquarters was a plot of the second to make the Uchiha live and work in the outskirts.
First the plot thing is something that is only Orochimaru speculation. The second totally denied that. I don't know why I should take the word of a serial killer and Class S world criminal to the word of the person that made the decision in the first place, implemented it and was a Hokage of the village. But it seems people take the word of Orochimaru.
Second why is it strange that a prison is in the police headquarters? And if that was really a problem than the Uchiha could just demand for the separation and the Headquarters to be placed somewhere out of the outskirts. Certainly find a reason for that to happen wouldn't be difficult. Also Even if in the 2nd Hokage reign they couldn't do that, they could very well do it in the 3rd Hokage reign. Why they didn't make nothing even after the 4th Hokage reign, shows that it wasn't really a problem.
I don't even see how doing so, giving them a job in the outskirts, would be called as discrimination and segregation. It would make their commute to work easier and it wasn't like all the Uchihas had to take that Job(for example Itachi and the old couple that Sasuke talked to weren't from the police), not like they would just stay at the outskirts of the city during their jobs and free time and not like they couldn't go to the center of the village anytime they wanted. -
For the record, I do think that they were segregated and discriminated against.
On the other hand, it's pretty clear based on the information we have now that the Uchiha are too insane to leave doing whatever they want (with the plot defined love disease!)
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They weren't put into a concentration camp under guard nor nothing like that after the Kyubi attack! That makes no sense at all! First they were the police so how in the hell would they protect the village if they were segregated to a certain area? How in the hell was Itachi an Anbu? How in the hell was sasuke going to the school where every damn kid in the village goes? If you're talking about all the Uchihas being in the same place together, that is for all clans in the village and was established in the formation of the village not after the Kyubi attack.
At that time, after kyubi attack, the thing that happened, is that everybody in the village pointed the fingers to the Uchihas with only rumors and suspicions, and blamed them for what happened.First the plot thing is something that is only Orochimaru speculation. The second totally denied that. I don't know why I should take the word of a serial killer and Class S world criminal to the word of the person that made the decision in the first place, implemented it and was a Hokage of the village. But it seems people take the word of Orochimaru.
Once again I'm not talking about the police duties they were given. And when the clans were joined into the village the Uchihas were totally onboard. It wasn't until they started feeling like they weren't trusted that they started getting upset. Like I said I don't think anybody was really in the right. But the Uchihas weren't completely unjustified in their feelings. -
Seeing how all the evils of the Naruto world can be traced back to the Uchiha, frankly, I just can't give a damn about them. The big fat fail was not listening to Tobirama and shooting every Old Yeller in the face before the love cancer kicked in. Because good god did the Uchiha always got off with a hand slap outside of the Itachi massacre (perpetrated by one of their own in full love cancer blitz no less), hell, Obito is a cool guy and Madara gets to go in peace with his lover looking at him.
Had Kishi actually bother to not make every damn Uchiha be genetically insane this would have held a lot more weight than what it seems like now, which is a validated fear that should have been acted upon with more force. I mean, it's bloody insane that this is the conclusion that I get to and not "the Uchiha were treated like scum for no reason".
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Alright, I just read Bleach….what just happened? I know that we have new Sternitter, and "W" seems to be dead for good, but I couldn't follow the action at all. What was that shadow giant, and did something kill it? Who's side was it on? Why didn't the elite of the Soul Society dodge a gun shot? I don't know.
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Once again I'm not talking about the police duties they were given. And when the clans were joined into the village the Uchihas were totally onboard. It wasn't until they started feeling like they weren't trusted that they started getting upset. Like I said I don't think anybody was really in the right. But the Uchihas weren't completely unjustified in their feelings.I didn't remember that! :O
But doesn't that make an inconsistency in the story or just Obito bullshiting? Obito says that they were forced to live in a corner of the village after the Kyubi attack, but by Orochimaru and the second Hokage they were already there in his reign. Orochimaru says that when the second hokage made the Uchiha police force headquarters in the outskirts he completed in chasing them away to the outskirts. So who is right? Obito or Orochimaru? Obito was talking to Sasuke and he was lying from the start, he even said that the Kyubi was a natural occurrence, Or Orochimaru that was talking to the 2nd Hokage while making stupid accusations. Or are both right and the Uchiha after the Kyubi were realocatted again into a more remote place? Why in the hell Kishimoto doesn't show things in a more clear manner?If the Hokage can be overruled just by his advisers and Danzo, than why in the hell there is an Hokage? Shouldn't he be like a king where the advisers are just advisers or like a democratic president where even if he can be overruled isn't just by 3 people, but the parliament. It just looks like Hokage is the person with the biggest vote in a company, the person that when a decision is not decided by the other members he decides, and not the chief.
I concluded that Kishimoto didn't even wrote a well explained and fleshed out village system, so spending my time discussing unexplained and stupid things is a waste of my time, with this I stop talking about the political stuff from Naruto. About Uchiha segregation and discrimination I will just assume they in fact were that by everybody, Hashirama, Tobirama, Sarutobi, Minato and even Tsunade segregated and discriminated Sasuke and that is his reason to leave the village.
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Is there any significant difference in Sasuke's speech between Mangapanda's version and Mangastream's?
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Alright, I just read Bleach….what just happened? I know that we have new Sternitter, and "W" seems to be dead for good, but I couldn't follow the action at all. What was that shadow giant, and did something kill it? Who's side was it on? Why didn't the elite of the Soul Society dodge a gun shot? I don't know.
- W is dead
- The captain says she will stop Juha
- Juha calls his 4 elite soldiers
- Captain calls more reinforcements, including that giant thing. Why did he fall next to her i don´t understand.
- C kills the thing by breathing or something. I don´t really understand what happened to it. It seemed like it broke apart, but it was C.
- X shots the cap.
- Chapter over.
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What exactly is a "X-Axis" power supposed to be about?
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Had Kishi actually bother to not make every damn Uchiha be genetically insane this would have held a lot more weight than what it seems like now, which is a validated fear that should have been acted upon with more force. I mean, it's bloody insane that this is the conclusion that I get to and not "the Uchiha were treated like scum for no reason".
not only that, it's also crazy uncomfortable, like some sort of justified prejudice
The whole fucking clan is nuts and flat out can't deal with something a lot of normal people can. What an absolutely horrid idea to make emotional instability a genetic thing. I mean, imagine living next to them and always being scarred shitless because there's always the chance they'll snap because they can't handle the loss of their lover, friend, parent etc.
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Onepunch-man ONE version spoilers
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Alright, I just read Bleach….what just happened? I know that we have new Sternitter, and "W" seems to be dead for good, but I couldn't follow the action at all. What was that shadow giant, and did something kill it? Who's side was it on? Why didn't the elite of the Soul Society dodge a gun shot? I don't know.
It's probably a dummie or something. Shutara is something like Mayuri, so she should have some tricks at her disposal. Plus, it's possible Urahara got the idea for his dummies from Shutara, just like he made his healing spring after Kirinji's.
It's still crap. Everyone just stands there…
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I wonder what will be reaction of the forum if Askin gets KOd by Chad because Chad is also RG level thanks to lol Urahara "training",Askin is supposed to be the weakest among the Elite Sternritters.
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