I can't wait for the flashback of Doflamingo and Law, hopefully it's really going to begin next chapter..
Chapter 760: The Same Stakes
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Doffy was a kid when he lost any sense of belonging, although he's born as a noble, clearly his family didn't live with any. He had a sense of entitlement that came with his "royal blood" but he had no way to fulfill it. This is because of his father's actions.
This problem wasn't solved due to his mother's death, in which he also think it's due to his father's actions.
It seems like his father also failed to educate him, another fault. Since his father clearly knew Doffy's personality, his inability to change Doffy resulted in his own death.And after all this left Doffy completely alone, he was rejected by the Tenryuubitos, he was truly alone. Someone without attachment with anything in the world can only bring chaos.
Anyway, great chapter, liked how Doffy turned around the fight quite easily.
16chars of THIS too
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Woah woah woah, that fat asian dude is named Oddjob and he's a bonafide killing machine/extremely stylish dresser.
…Show some respect.
Damn, how could I have forgotten his name!
And yeah, loved that suit.
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THIS! A hundred times this!
People need to realise he was just an innocent impressionable kid who knew no better.
It's also just the beginning of his flashback
I could say the same thing about Hody.
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Well, it's always important to see what actually happened. To watch the drama play out before us. Basically, for emotional impact and dramatic effect.
I agree and it did made sense for Nami, because she is a protagonist of this manga and as such of course I want to learn anything I can about her character. So far most flashbacks either told a past story that served to develop the character of a future crew member, and/or contributed to world building and unravelling the overal plot of One Piece (FI or Skypiea flashbacks). But unless Oda has future plans for 'mingo, I don't see how telling us the story of him, Law & Corazon will accomplish either so I can live without it.
Anyway time will tell, let's wait and see what Oda has in store for us.
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I could say the same thing about Hody.
You sir made a solid point. And both of them took a Red Hawk and withstood it.
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A 10 or so pages since my last visit to this thread and I still read posts whining about Doflamingo's half-page backstory.
Come the fuck on. You can't seriously think this is all there is to his flashback.
Fully agreed. It's silly at this point.
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One thing I will be interested to see in further flashbacks is how the Dofla from this one (wants slaves, wants to shoot a commoner for talking to him) stacks up against the current day one and the loyalty he shows his underlings. It was a point in this episode Dofla broke off attacking Luffy to rescue Trebol.
Actually, I'm not sure this relation he has with the Family should be called loyalty, or maybe in a twisted, crime-syndicate sort of way. He does forgive the executives' failures, comes to their aid occasionnaly, and makes sure the members of his family get some respect, but this might be done out of pride (for the Donquixote name, and for his birth status) more than actual care. Ye at the same time he can decide in the blink of an eye to sacrifice his oldest lieutenant as a mere pawn. What sort of twisted loyalty is this? All in all, I don't think the spoiled, self-centered, holier-than-thou brat is that far beneath the mask of the laughing joker…
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Actually, I'm not sure this relation he has with the Family should be called loyalty. He does forgive the executives' failures, comes to their aid occasionnaly, and goes a long way to make sure the members of his family get some respect, but this might be done out of pride (for the Donquixote name, and for his birth status) more than actual care. Plus, at the same time he can decide in the blink of an eye to sacrifice his oldest lieutenant as a mere pawn. What sort of twisted loyalty is this? All in all, I don't think the spoiled, self-centered, holier-than-thou brat is that far beneath the mask of the laughing joker…
He didn't sacrifice Vergo though.
He was entirely confident that Law would be unable to break through Vergo's haki and that Vergo kill him with relative ease.
When he realised his mistake and that Vergo was going to "die" he seemed genuinely distressed at the situation.
Other incidents like assassinating Baby 5's suitors, not striking while Jora was taken hostage, his reaction to an underling laughing at Pica's voice etc gives me the impression that he does genuinely care for his crew.
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So could it be that the Joker is joking about his backstory ? It seems quite far fetched.
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Actually, I'm not sure this relation he has with the Family should be called loyalty, or maybe in a twisted, crime-syndicate sort of way. He does forgive the executives' failures, comes to their aid occasionnaly, and makes sure the members of his family get some respect, but this might be done out of pride (for the Donquixote name, and for his birth status) more than actual care. Ye at the same time he can decide in the blink of an eye to sacrifice his oldest lieutenant as a mere pawn. What sort of twisted loyalty is this? All in all, I don't think the spoiled, self-centered, holier-than-thou brat is that far beneath the mask of the laughing joker…
True, which is why I want to see it play out. The way it's been revealed it could be merely an almost business like or mafia arrangement, but on the surface Dofla does show seem to treat them well.
Consider his regret at losing Monet and Vergo, and how far he goes saving Baby 5 from herself. He's made a definite point of rescuing members like Baby and Djola before attacking their opponents.
Contrast that to the complete contempt he's shown Bellamy, Disco and his WG contact.
And even his mocking of Crocodile during the Paramount could be read as having affection to it.His relationshio with Law is far more than just master and servant and this seems to extend to the rest of his team. Whether he truly regards them as nakama or property is still well up for debate.
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My personal take on Dofla is that I believe the author tries to convey the typical sociopathic / psychopathic behavior in Dofla.
Dofla tries to justify his actions with "I was on top, then I was poor and they didn´t take me back, so I am gonna kill em all and destry everything".
No wonder many people see this as a LOL/lame excuse. I am thinking this is exactly the point. Sick people tend to find whatever reasoning they need but that doesn´t change the fact they are hurting others without remorse.
You do not murder your father cause he gave up wealth and take his head to those who treat other human beings as bugs to take you back. You do not kill your brother just because XY (most likely a similar silly excuse). This guy does slave and arms trade as business and causes wars and is like whatever, IMA boss. Like, there is hardly any room to go below that. He thrives on chaos, war and murdering people.
There should be a clear line to draw here. I understand some people are drawn to these types of unhuman beings but those are simply inexcusable actions. He´s arguably the most evil person in the story yet, because he acts on a grand scale with consequences to lots of people. He needs to be stopped as soon as possible. Thankfully, it will happen.
Other incidents like assassinating Baby 5's suitors, not striking while Jora was taken hostage, his reaction to an underling laughing at Pica's voice etc gives me the impression that he does genuinely care for his crew.
I don´t understand when people feel sympathy for this sort of guy and try to make him seem better than he is. There are countless examples in history when unhuman monsters had loved ones (wife, family, friends or animals) but at the same time who were able to do atrocious things to other humand beings for whatever reason they found or no reason at all. Like how does it make Dofla a better person that he likes his few henchmen when he turns around and slaughters x innocent people cause "reason".
Dofla is sick in his head, requires some first hand treatment from Gear 3 and later needs to be put in a straitjacked and in an institution and hopefully never see the outside of the fence anymore.
EDIT: Based on reading this
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
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B) TASHIGI took away Crocodile's title. TASHIGI! I refuse to believe that Fujitora, a fucking marine admiral, has less power then bloody Tashigi.
You love playing stupid, right?
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Like how does it make Dofla a better person that he likes his few henchmen when he turns around and slaughters x innocent people cause "reason".
Because he would be a worse person if he was slaughtering his few henchmen aswell.
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You think this guy trusts them?
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-49210-7/one-piece/chapter-579.html
You just made me realize how goofy Akainu is as a character. Geez, that line.
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You love playing stupid, right?
Okay, let's explain one thing here:
If Doflamingo has the level of untouchability you guys say he has, then it doesn't bloody matter if Luffy beats him. As long as he lives, he will be in power. And we know Oda's stance on death.
And no, you can't say "Revolutionaries", Revolutionaries, as pointed by Koala this chapter, are not willing to confront the Navy Admiral.
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This chapter felt a little rushed… Also I realize that it's just the preview to Doflamingo's flashback, but I can't help but be slightly disappointed because of the whole
It's like he's still butt-hurt they wouldn't let him back into the cool gang!
I don't know, I guess I wanted Dofla to be evil just because he worships chaos (like is common with Joker-like vilains), not because he never got over his traumatizing childhood….
That said, I think he's still the greatest evil mastermind of OP!!!
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My personal take on Dofla is that I believe the author tries to convey the typical sociopathic / psychopathic behavior in Dofla.
Dofla tries to justify his actions with "I was on top, then I was poor and they didn´t take me back, so I am gonna kill em all and destry everything".
No wonder many people see this as a LOL/lame excuse. I am thinking this is exactly the point. Sick people tend to find whatever reasoning they need but that doesn´t change the fact they are hurting others without remorse.
You do not murder your father cause he gave up wealth and take his head to those who treat other human beings as bugs to take you back. You do not kill your brother just because XY (most likely a similar silly excuse). This guy does slave and arms trade as business and causes wars and is like whatever, IMA boss. Like, there is hardly any room to go below that. He thrives on chaos, war and murdering people.
There should be a clear line to draw here. I understand some people are drawn to these types of unhuman beings but those are simply inexcusable actions. He´s arguably the most evil person in the story yet, because he acts on a grand scale with consequences to lots of people. He needs to be stopped as soon as possible. Thankfully, it will happen.
I don´t understand when people feel sympathy for this sort of guy and try to make him seem better than he is. There are countless examples in history when unhuman monsters had loved ones (wife, family, friends or animals) but at the same time who were able to do atrocious things to other humand beings for whatever reason they found or no reason at all. Like how does it make Dofla a better person that he likes his few henchmen when he turns around and slaughters x innocent people cause "reason".
Dofla is sick in his head, requires some first hand treatment from Gear 3 and later needs to be put in a straitjacked and in an institution and hopefully never see the outside of the fence anymore.
EDIT: Based on reading this
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
I think Dofla is both.I admit that most of my knowledge of psychopathy comes from the university of Piediiwka, but aren't psychopaths incapable of loving? Doffy does clearly care of his crew.
Also this is a children's comic series so real world psychology doesn't apply here. Doffy is just a bad man who happens to have one virtue. Case closed!
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@Light:
I admit that most of my knowledge of psychopathy comes from the university of Piediiwka, but aren't psychopaths incapable of loving? Doffy does clearly care of his crew.
Also this is a children's comic series so real world psychology doesn't apply here. Doffy is just a bad man who happens to have one virtue. Case closed!
Being incapable of empathy as a whole, usually.
But Doffy doesn't really fit your usual definition of psychopath.
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I think you guys are making this more complicated than it is. Think of Doflamingo as a basic mob boss. Total psycopath with no basic regard for human life, but if you fuck with one of his "made guys" he will kill you. I think its more about pride than empathy when it comes to his crew. Any slight against his crew is by extension also a slight against Doflamingos personal pride. I think He blames himself for their failures aswell since it means he misjudged the situation or their individual capabilities, but that doesnt mean they can still be valuable assets.
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Ehh, having Doflamingo be just a spoiled brat deep down kind of ruins his anarchistic nature. The Straw Hats suffered worse than he ever did and came out fine, nor did they kill their family.
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Ehh, having Doflamingo be just a spoiled brat deep down kind of ruins his anarchistic nature. The Straw Hats suffered worse than he ever did and came out fine, nor did they kill their family.
Inherent mental illness do to excessive inbreeding?
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Plot prediction: Sugar wakes up again and they manage to make her turn Doflamingo into a toy so everyone forgets about him :3
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Am I the only who gets the feeling Bellamy is going to die??
Possible scenario: Law is on the brink of death (as a normal human being would be at this point), Dofla is about to kill Luffy, Bellamy intervenes and dies. Luffy goes berserk (gear fourth) and pummels Dofla….
I admit the likeliness of this happening is about 2%
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A) It's the fault of bloody citizens, and WG. Which people seem to forgot, are not the same as the Marines.
B) How can he be putting a facade if they want to go after Doflamingo? He is acting against them, and not doing what they want to do. There is not a once an indication that he as a Marine Admiral is supposed to act this way.
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Plausible deniability of what? We are talking about his actions after Sugar was taken down, and Doffy went on his little murder spree.
I cannot helpt but feel that you are contriving this stuff to make sense, when it really doesn't.
I assume when you say it's the citizens fault, it's by denouncing King Riku and making Doflamingo king? Because from their perspective, they felt betrayed. I will admit that Riku crying and yelling to get away from him should've hinted people at what was going on, but when chaos ensues, things aren't usually noticed as much. While it is their fault to an extent, if they refused him Doflamingo was ready to destroy all of them, so they were screwed both ways. If you would like to, I would like to know what you think they should've actually done, but also keep in mind of things you wouldn't know like the citizens at that point in time. Also, who knows how screwed up things got with the memories being altered.
As for Fujitora, he's been an oddball this whole time. Perhaps he wants to act his own way, but because he has to do certain things, it seems contradictory. For him personally, he might have a reason for having someone other than a Marine take down Doflamingo.
This chapter felt a little rushed… Also I realize that it's just the preview to Doflamingo's flashback, but I can't help but be slightly disappointed because of the whole
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It's like he's still butt-hurt they wouldn't let him back into the cool gang!
I don't know, I guess I wanted Dofla to be evil just because he worships chaos (like is common with Joker-like vilains), not because he never got over his traumatizing childhood….
That said, I think he's still the greatest evil mastermind of OP!!!
While it's not anything deep, I like that we have a simple reason. We get times where a villain has all these reasons that we just stop caring. Or we get an Aizen in which it's different contradicting reasons. Of course, nothing is definite until the arc is finished.
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@The:
I assume when you say it's the citizens fault, it's by denouncing King Riku and making Doflamingo king? Because from their perspective, they felt betrayed. I will admit that Riku crying and yelling to get away from him should've hinted people at what was going on, but when chaos ensues, things aren't usually noticed as much. While it is their fault to an extent, if they refused him Doflamingo was ready to destroy all of them, so they were screwed both ways. If you would like to, I would like to know what you think they should've actually done, but also keep in mind of things you wouldn't know like the citizens at that point in time. Also, who knows how screwed up things got with the memories being altered.
Yeah, but that was in response to the guy who said marines were somehow guilty of the entire situation.
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Well, when I saw Doffy's reasoning my first thought was that I just wanted to punch him into the face very, very hard. As he's supposed to be a love to hate villain, I guess it worked…
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This isn't going to happen.
For so many reasons.
Just saw your Sig Robzilla, I am playing through that at the moment. :)
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Ehh, having Doflamingo be just a spoiled brat deep down kind of ruins his anarchistic nature. The Straw Hats suffered worse than he ever did and came out fine, nor did they kill their family.
The difference I think lies with their upbringing, ultimately Doffy's parents failed to educate him properly despite the choice to leave their previous lifestyle, knowing what effect that will have on Doffy.
Although I agree that strawhats have had a lot of suffering, arguably more than he will ever have, his trauma is a little different. While most of the terrors in the Strawhats' lives had a clear villain/reason (Arlong, Marines, lost at sea etc), Doffy's problem was his father. He lost everything(mother, wealth, power) and basically became dirt poor due to his father, and that everything was truly heaven. -
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While it's not anything deep, I like that we have a simple reason. We get times where a villain has all these reasons that we just stop caring. Or we get an Aizen in which it's different contradicting reasons. Of course, nothing is definite until the arc is finished.
Indeed. And it's not like it's entirely in bad taste. Oda did manage to surprise me. For instance, I did NOT expect Dofla's dad to be a good guy! And we get a chapter next week right?! Is Oda going for a record or something?
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Using them to fool the world is only using them a little?
Well… yes, actually. I wonder why would they even need to use CP-0 to write a false article...
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seems dofla has a serious case of butthurt…
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I made this…
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Yeah, but that was in response to the guy who said marines were somehow guilty of the entire situation.
Well when looked at a certain angle, it can be seen that the Marines are at fault to a degree. The WG is the governing body with the Marines as the military force. The WG didn't do anything, which means the Marines didn't take action. The Marines aren't really at fault, but people in the story can still blame them, as that what happens whenever something bad occurs, and someone needs to be blamed that's not themselves. # ThanksObama
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He didn't sacrifice Vergo though.
He was entirely confident that Law would be unable to break through Vergo's haki and that Vergo kill him with relative ease.
When he realised his mistake and that Vergo was going to "die" he seemed genuinely distressed at the situation.Truth be told, my memory of that chapter was a bit vague so I went back and read (again) chaps 693-694. I was thinking specifically of the moment when 'mingo asks Monet to detonate the second mass destruction device, planning to kill everyone but Caesar on the island. Maybe indeed his decision to blow the lab to kingdom come (or rather, gas it) was the desperate measure of a distressed person and not a cold calculating move, yet he knew that both executives were still alive by the time he took the decision (we even see him talk to Vergo on the den-den mushi after he gives Monet the order) and was still willing to sacrifice their lives if it meant getting Caesar back.
I do, however, reckon that there is some sort of bond between him and the Family. Maybe he does love them, in his own twisted, destructive way. They sure do care for him, at least.
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@The:
Well when looked at a certain angle, it can be seen that the Marines are at fault to a degree. The WG is the governing body with the Marines as the military force. The WG didn't do anything, which means the Marines didn't take action. The Marines aren't really at fault, but people in the story can still blame them, as that what happens whenever something bad occurs, and someone needs to be blamed that's not themselves. # ThanksObama
I fail to see how even WG is at fault here.
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That is a generalization, and it's bad.
Because of affiliation? Oh my god… you are a terrible person if you actually believe that.
omg you still don't get it , i don't believe that because i am not a character on the series i know the whole story and i know fugitora is not a bad person
but how are riko and dressrosa folks supposed to know that ? , it's the WG's fault that things went this far and there's no way in hell that they should believe in fugitora or the marine who are part of the WG , that's why they can't be the heroes of dressrosaI fail to see how even WG is at fault here.
no matter how you look at it you're trolling
@Darth:A) It's the fault of bloody citizens, and WG. Which people seem to forgot, are not the same as the Marines.
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Am I the only who gets the feeling Bellamy is going to die??
Possible scenario: Law is on the brink of death (as a normal human being would be at this point), Dofla is about to kill Luffy, Bellamy intervenes and dies. Luffy goes berserk (gear fourth) and pummels Dofla….
I admit the likeliness of this happening is about 2%
This is one way I'd be satisfied with the current way One Piece is going..
The reasons are that:-
Doflamingo is been described as a killer, murderer, evil, etc… but we have just seen him kill some fodders if I'm not mistaken. So considering all those strong guys from the coliseum, and if not even one of those big names gets killed I would say DD and his crew are a JOKE.
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Luffy's Red Hawk seems to be a lame technique. I mean come on, this was supposed to be influenced by Ace's death. It gets flames out, and Oda also draws the flame effects going through the victim, and still is not a strong tech. I was really disappointed. So, I guess Luffy needs to go all out, use the best techniques he mastered during the 2 years time skip, gear 4, red hawk gataling, red hawk giant gataling or what ever, because he is such a joke at the moment.
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No, the reason I think they are at the same level has nothing to do with Doflamingo, or this fight. Since the scene at the auction House, back at Sabaody, it's become pretty clear to me that both Law and Kid are Luffy's own "Withebeards", his main pirate rivals. To me, it's pretty clear that he will fight them both near the end, probably at the same time (Luffy vs Law vs Kid would be really epic, and Zoro vs Killer and Sanji vs Bepo are also so good not to happen. If you add both crews, they already have almost one important crewmate that can fight against one of the other Strawhats.
It's true they been depicted as equals since the main focus rested on those three, but I don't think that Law will fight Luffy, just look at the situation right now and what Luffy is capable of when it comes to people's mind. Kid will definitely fight Luffy at some point though.
A lot of people want Law to lose or to go away and this fight to be a clasis 1 vs 1, Luffy vs Doffy. I want Law to stay because of many reasons. It's not only that I think he has power and ambition similar to Luffy (After all he also aims to pirateking), but that he has a personal grudge against Doflamingo and, unlike other characters like Bibi or Rebeca, he has the guts and the strength (With Luffy's help). It would be unfair for him to just sit out or this, or to fight just against Trebol, when he has already been shown to be leagues above the top ejecutives (Vergos defeat, and without Dofla's help he would have already finished off Trebol this chapter). I also don't want him to lose and to see Luffy clearly above him, it makes their future fight pretty dull.
Is not that people wants Law to leave, is that Law has been greatly injured and there's no so much he can do as of now. He can have the strength to fight Doffy but will he succeed? Of course not also defeating Vergo doesn't prove much since Vergo took that attack head-on and Law's fruit has the ability to end anybody If you're not prepare enough.
Also, Dofla beeing that strong that it needs Luffy+Law to defeat him will be helpfull for another character that most people right now see weaker than he is: Smoker. A lot of people underestimate him because of his acts in Punk Hazzard, when in reality:
-He just lost against Law because he mannage to got him with his OHKO movement. The fight was pretty equal till then, and could have go either side. If they fight again, you know he won't fall for that again.-He was almost KOed by Vergo, but just because he prefered tanking him and repaying his debt with Law rather than defeating Vergo himself and stay indebted to a pirate.
-He lost to Dofla, fast, fair and square…But if Law and Luffy combined are needed to defeat him, that' pretty understandable to be fair.Smoker is weak when you compare him to the big guns, making Law and Luffy fight Dofla on a 2 vs 1 will do the contrary, it will make Luffy look weak and it will affect the way the story is going to progress since Luffy have to do a huge jump in power in order to fight one of the Yonkous, I should also remind you that Dofla shit himself over the possibility of one of them coming after him.
Yes, I also think Smoker is arround the same level as Luffy.
The only reason Smoker was above Luffy in the first place was because Luffy couldn't touch him pre time-skip but now he can pretty much wreck hi boat
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omg you still don't get it , i don't believe that because i am not a character on the series i know the whole story and i know fugitora is not a bad person
but how are riko and dressrosa folks supposed to know that ? , it's the WG's fault that things went this far and there's no way in hell that they should believe in fugitora or the marine who are part of the WG , that's why they can't be the heroes of dressrosaAha. So basicaly you are saying that characters in the series are shallow enough to damn hundreds of thousands of people as being at fault for their situation, even though most didn't even knew who Riku was before today?
That is not a quality expected from people I'm supposed to root for.
How are Riku and Dressrosa Folks supposed to know that Luffy is a good guy and it isn't just a rehash of the situation from before, simply exchaning the tyrants?
no matter how you look at it you're trolling
Only said that because you are so desperate to assign blame. If we were to consider people to blame those who put Doffy in charge, then citizens and WG it is.
I have no idea how they supposed to know any better, but okay.
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He didn't sacrifice Vergo though.
He was entirely confident that Law would be unable to break through Vergo's haki and that Vergo kill him with relative ease.
When he realised his mistake and that Vergo was going to "die" he seemed genuinely distressed at the situation.
Other incidents like assassinating Baby 5's suitors, not striking while Jora was taken hostage, his reaction to an underling laughing at Pica's voice etc gives me the impression that he does genuinely care for his crew.
I think Doflamingo and Luffy are great contrasts in this way, because both obviously genuinely care about their crew, but when push comes to shove Doflamingo is willing to sacrifice them for the "greater good" of his dream, where as Luffy would rather give up his own dream that he's held onto since childhood then let his nakama die
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@Master:
- Doflamingo is been described as a killer, murderer, evil, etc… but we have just seen him kill some fodders if I'm not mistaken. So considering all those strong guys from the coliseum, and if not even one of those big names gets killed I would say DD and his crew are a JOKE.
Every villain so far has been a killer-murderer and they never killed anyone outside flashback. Akainu and Blackbeard are the only exceptions. Why should Doffy be any different? He's gonna kill his freaking brother in the flashback anyway!
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Aha. So basicaly you are saying that characters in the series are shallow enough to damn hundreds of thousands of people as being at fault for their situation, even though most didn't even knew who Riku was before today?
That is not a quality expected from people I'm supposed to root for.
How are Riku and Dressrosa Folks supposed to know that Luffy is a good guy and it isn't just a rehash of the situation from before, simply exchaning the tyrants?
Only said that because you are so desperate to assign blame. If we were to consider people to blame those who put Doffy in charge, then citizens and WG it is.
I have no idea how they supposed to know any better, but okay.
Hate to break it to you, but people in general are shallow, especially when it comes to blaming people. Just look at the US and blaming presidents. We readily blame who's in charge, when a number of times the citizens can be blamed for what happened. Really to me, this is a realistic portrayal of people, blame a person, then when someone is exposed root for the other person because screw it, we don't need to be logical. As for who's fault it is, it's not one persons fault, but more a fault of the system, as well as people not to be assed of thinking about stuff, such as why King Riku went evil all a sudden. People are reactional, and in that one moment, they decided Riku was evil, Doflamingo was good. The Citizens, the WG, the Marines didn't think to question what actually happened, and they didn't think to keep an eye on a guy who killed his father at 8 years old.
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Okay, let's explain one thing here:
If Doflamingo has the level of untouchability you guys say he has, then it doesn't bloody matter if Luffy beats him. As long as he lives, he will be in power. And we know Oda's stance on death.
And no, you can't say "Revolutionaries", Revolutionaries, as pointed by Koala this chapter, are not willing to confront the Navy Admiral.
LOL, what a way to change topics when the current one doesn't suit you. I don't give a fuck about that debate, I just wanted to point out the stupidity of your Fujitora-Tashigi comparison.
Oh and just to reply to that Koala part, no she didn't point that out. She berated Sabo for not maintaining his position/not being focused on their mission. And just a reminder, their mission isn't to confront and defeat the Admiral, but to investigate the underground weapons trade.
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-He just lost against Law because he mannage to got him with his OHKO movement. The fight was pretty equal till then, and could have go either side. If they fight again, you know he won't fall for that again.
-He was almost KOed by Vergo, but just because he prefered tanking him and repaying his debt with Law rather than defeating Vergo himself and stay indebted to a pirate.see this here is why i don't care about the loser's justifications for why he lost , it's the same as justifying vergo being one shotted by law , fans will always find a way around it
Aha. So basicaly you are saying that characters in the series are shallow enough to damn hundreds of thousands of people as being at fault for their situation, even though most didn't even knew who Riku was before today ?
That is not a quality expected from people I'm supposed to root for.
How are Riku and Dressrosa Folks supposed to know that Luffy is a good guy and it isn't just a rehash of the situation from before, simply exchaning the tyrants?
no i didn't sa.. never mind
riko saw by himself luffy and SH's good deeds and how they were trying to help the country , what did he see from the WG and marines so far even though they've been under the WG's protection this whole time , why should they believe that only now they've realized what DD was doing to the country and decided to help them ?
EDIT : damn that reminded me of the army in my country , they watched over the fight between the revolutionists and regime , didn't move a finger until they were 100% sure that it's the revs win , then they claimed to be the saviors of the country and were held over the ppl's heads Only to take over the country again after just two years and to bring back the old system … moral of the story : don't ever trust who once was working under the corrupted regime
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I think that's. . .severely over simplifying it. Being a CD is not only being a massive, free-of-charges dick. It's also the fact you're part of the 20 families that CREATED the world as we know it. Massive amounts of influence (Tequila Wolf exists only because of a CD's wishes, and might very well be just for the sake of it). If Doffy was smart from the very beginning AND had all that beyond reality powers to influence the entire flow of the world. . .he'd probably be ruling the entire planet by now.
I guess, for someone with such a massive ambition as he has, not being able to have the final power of influence the OP world has to offer DID piss him off. And, yeah, being a super dick free-of-charge too.
The thing is, 8 year Doffy didn't want all that power in order to use it. He wanted his birthright because it was his birthright, to be a World Noble for its own sake. He didn't storm back to Marijois because he had dreams of world domination and needed the World Noble status in order to get it (I mean, he was 8!), he did it because he missed his slaves and people talking back to him was annoying.
Now, if this snub had let to Doffy declaring "Well, I'll just be a self made man then, and get my OWN lifestyle of excess! With blackjack! And hookers!" that I'd be fine with- but 8-year old Doffy resolves to "DESTROY THE WORLD!", and even now, as he's pushing fifty, he brings up this defining moment in his life with a straight face. I mean, the "spoiled entitlement" angle was even used previously on Wapol, a total joke villain.
I'd still wait for a full flashback which I HOPE we'll eventually get. . .really hope for it. I think it would help greatly if we got to know his father, an idealist among assholes, kinda emphathize with him and then Dofla kills him. Then, getting to see if Dofla's views somewhat change or evolve or addapt as he grows older (like creating deep ties with his new family, which is hands down his most interesting trait), etc. . .
Yeah, I know… more details will be added eventually, I've just really grown to bristle at the "It'll surely be better later, wait and see arguments". I mean, in weekly chapter discussions, I gotta work with what is presented to me that week. I'm possibly jumping the gun on Doffy here, but I'd rather be proven wrong as the story goes along than wait who knows how many chapters until the arcs conclusion before forming opinions, thats my philosophy.
I know, sorry to be such a grumpy gus upon returning from my little hiatus. It's not like OP is devoid of stuff I like; Usopps recent moment was great even if the tension with the citizens was contrived (really, Doffys whole Stars game was very ineff- Ack! You were being positive Daz! Snap out of it!), and I really like Jinbes coverstory, as he's basically a Superhero, swimming around helping strangers.
And most surprisingly of all, something I never thought was possible has happened: I've warmed to Law. His Punk Hazard shenanigans are still completely insufferable to me, but currently, I like him way more than Zoro, Sabo or Kyros for instance. And not simply because "he got beat up lol take that Law", but because the adversity thrown his way made him more human. When Law sits in Doffys chair and smirks before cutting trebol its kind of cool because you feel he's earned it for his troubles, whereas with insufferable smuglord Punk Hazard Law it would have been frustrating.
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Hardening and throw it around like Kung Lao!
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Are we to assume that Viola made the citizens halt their attack and then Riku told them all the truth? I feel like we're missing a scene and some conversation between Sabo and Fuji.
So, accepting that Fuji's true intentions are a little obfuscated at this point, what does he gain by betting on Luffy? I have an idea in my head but I need to reread a few chapters, so if anyone has a clearer picture please shed some light.
He doesn't jeopardize his status and his goals, Fuji is smart enough to realize that fighting against Doflamingo as a Marine who has this goal is a bad idea, so he bet on Luffy who is pirate and a D who will be taking down a Tenryu also their conversation might have something to do with this as well since he know how manipulative Dofla can be.
Darth look at it in the bright side, youdon't have to argue about the safety of the citizens anymore, so 1+ to Fuji