Maybe someday I'll read the rest of that post, but I always assumed that the Wiki wanted colour pictures for their articles.
Man my posts aren't even that long ;_;
Maybe someday I'll read the rest of that post, but I always assumed that the Wiki wanted colour pictures for their articles.
Man my posts aren't even that long ;_;
Just putting this up again. :ninja:
1. Needs to have a clear goal/dream.
2. Has a past story. (can be developed more later)
3. Has a unique skill that doesn't overlap another member's skill.
4. Has a look and character design that doesn't overlap another member's.
5. Has a unique way to be funny. (easily created)
6. If male, the crews fight together. If female, they require some rescuing.
7. The person who's the next SH crew, MUST meet Luffy first before anyone else in the crew (it can be at the same time with others).
8. Has a unique job that they are highly confident in.
9. Luffy must like him/her.
10. No love angles. (Keeping aligned with Shonen Jump comics).Manshelly for nakama!!
I'm an avid One Piece fan - I have watched every One Piece episode at least twice and I occasionally have One Piece discussions with my Japanese wife (this is my poor claim to reputability). I'll say Tyrano has it 98% correct. I'll be readily willing to hear you if you don't agree. Connected to the current bewilderment of new One Piece Nakama, I think this cogently articulates my argument that there will be no Dressarosa characters joining OP. I add too, I don't think One Piece could support anymore permanent characters. Is it me or have the stories since the 2 year time lapse become more hurried? For example, besides the time lapse story line, there hasn't been a good story since Water Seven. Specifically, while watch the Punk Hazard saga, I think the season could'v been developed more in depth. It's because OP is heavy with OP perma characters, forcing Oda to spread the story line while keeping each season roughly within 50 anime episodes.
This is not to mention that a good friend of mine believes Ace is coming back. _. If Violet, Rebecca, or Sabo were to join the crew, I believe character development would be greatly diminished . However, it would be bad ass to have Luffy, Sabo, and Ace on one team - like they originally planned. This too, however, would greatly overshadow the Luffy, Sanji, Zoro trio. Again, quenching character development.
Long live Gaudi, Picasso, Miro, Dali, and the Hibiki Whiskey I just drank. haha_
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Just a fyi then. Both Oda and Luffy made it clear there will be at least two more crewmembers joining.
Jinbei has somewhat of a specialist situation with inheriting his crew from Tiger, his position under Big Mom, her "protection" of Fishman Island and Luffy now aiming to fill that gap. It's a pretty tangled situation that can't really be compared to Law leaving his crew at Zou while going on a possible suicide mission.
Jinbe's crew is not a "special situation". He has a crew and that's the end of that.
So basically he's a developed character with a tragic past? There's quite a few of those in OP who won't be nakama either.
I've already listed several reasons thus far. Law fits all of them. I won't write them again.
Rebecca is this arc's damsel in distress.
She's not. This arc is not about her. She's rarely been featured thus far. Doflamingo couldn't care less about her. She's not even in trouble. She's less in trouble than the fodder on the island. You can remove her from this arc and barely anything would change.
This is most definitely Law's Arc. It all started because of him and everything that's happening is because of him. He's critical to the main plot and is close to the main antagost. One of Doflamingo's main goals is to kill him. He's in a been shit load of trouble ever since the beginning of this arc and is still in the same position. Luffy wants to fight Doflamingo specifically because of him. Rebecca is just an add on. I can go on and on but there's no need to explain the obvious.
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And who died in Punk Hazard? I don't remember anyone dying, not even those characters that got poisoned to death. They survived that.
Smiley died if I remember correctly.
Jinbe's crew is not a "special situation". He has a crew and that's the end of that.
Hahahahahahaha and you wonder why people have reported you for being a troll?
Jinbei inherited his crew from Tiger, became a Shichibukai so they could give up pirating and return to Fishman Island…then he abandoned the post and they were forced to return to piracy, and under Big Mom at that, once again to protect Fishman Island.
Now he's been given an offer to sail with Luffy, and wants to extract his crew before he joins, because of a promise he made to serve under Big Mom...although he's only serving under her to protect Fishman Island in the first place.
That's a pretty damn specialist situation right there lol.
I've already listed several reasons thus far. Law fits all of them. I won't write them again.
List them as few times as you want, they still apply to x other characters who haven't joined the crew.
She's not. This arc is not about her. She's rarely been featured thus far. Doflamingo couldn't care less about her. She's not even in trouble. She's less in trouble as the fodder on the isn't. You can remove her from this arc and barely anything would change.
She's one of the main characters of the arc. She's the embodiment of the way Doflamingo bastardised Dressrosa. At the start of the arc she was imprisoned and forced to fight constantly in front of people who wanted her dead. She had her father removed from her memory and her mother murdered. She won her block in the tournament and fought in the finals.
She is THE damsel in distress.
Without her, the arc would be significantly different, that's a fact.
No. I just pay closer attention to the author and his methods than you do
No. What you've said that far is speculative BS.
You even made up some of it. You keep spamming this coverstory nonsense when this is really just something you're personally hoping for.
In the end you're blatantly just in denial about what has occurred you've basically construed your perception of the story to fit your imagination.
List them as few times as you want, they still apply to x other characters who haven't joined the crew.
Honest question, could you name one person that could (possibly in the future) tick all those boxes? Just for the 'Luffy asking person x to join' I can only come up with Kin'emon and Law and then Kien'mon doesn't fit being the centre of the arc. Eventhough Law has no reason to join the crew at all at the moment, neither does Rebecca. Maybe to find all pink things in the world?
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Being a Shichibukai doesn't mean you give up your life of piracy genius. A Shichibukai is a pirate. He was simply given special privileges so he wouldn't be a target of the WG and he personally went to protect fishman island himself because of that.
wants to extract his crew before he joins,
Jinbe is still the captain of his crew. He himself stated this. He's in the same position they're in.
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This my last time going over this. Rebecca is not trouble and she has never been saved and never needed to be saved by Luffy. You've made the situation sound worse than it really was. The most we've seen of her currently were glimpses and tournament fighting scenes which were also glazed over. She hasn't contributed to shit and all the events that are currently happening would have still happened regardless of her being there or not.
List them as few times as you want, they still apply to x other characters who haven't joined the crew.
There is no other character who hasn't joined or wouldn't join that possesses all of them. Lol I'm done repeating stuff to you. It's redundant.
Hahahahahahaha and you wonder why people have reported you for being a troll?
Jinbei inherited his crew from Tiger, became a Shichibukai so they could give up pirating and return to Fishman Island…then he abandoned the post and they were forced to return to piracy, and under Big Mom at that, once again to protect Fishman Island.
Now he's been given an offer to sail with Luffy, and wants to extract his crew before he joins, because of a promise he made to serve under Big Mom...although he's only serving under her to protect Fishman Island in the first place.
That's a pretty damn specialist situation right there lol.
List them as few times as you want, they still apply to x other characters who haven't joined the crew.
She's one of the main characters of the arc. She's the embodiment of the way Doflamingo bastardised Dressrosa. At the start of the arc she was imprisoned and forced to fight constantly in front of people who wanted her dead. She had her father removed from her memory and her mother murdered. She won her block in the tournament and fought in the finals.
She is THE damsel in distress.
Without her, the arc would be significantly different, that's a fact.
I think the whole royal family fits this description, especially Viola and Riku. Their situations are a little different for each, but each one suffered a lot because of Doflamingo. Kyros can be included as well, with not being remembered and seeing his family suffer. I don't think we can say this arc has a Damsel in Distress, I think it's more appropriate that a lot of people were affected, and that the royal family of Dressrosa was focused on more. Heck, after Doflamingo erected the Birdcage, everyone got hit, so sating one person represents everything is kind of disingenuous, that's my 2 cents at least.
She's one of the main characters of the arc. She's the embodiment of the way Doflamingo bastardised Dressrosa. At the start of the arc she was imprisoned and forced to fight constantly in front of people who wanted her dead. She had her father removed from her memory and her mother murdered. She won her block in the tournament and fought in the finals.
She is THE damsel in distress.
Without her, the arc would be significantly different, that's a fact.
What part of the story will be different if Becca wasn't there? We will still know about Dressrosa darkness from Riku, Viola and Soldier-san. I mean what would have lost if Soldier-san didn't have a daughter? Diamante will still have killed his wife, Luffy will still have a reason to pummel Mingo and Dwarves will still want to save manshelly and return toys to normal. Honestly, Becca have been useless. I was relieved when she volunteered to take the keys to Luffy, I was like finally she has a job. I don't know how Oda plan to use her but let's be fair. Viola has offered more and Kyros has revealed more.
Rebecca is the replacement fanservice girl during Nami's time off screen ^^.
Being a Shichibukai doesn't mean you give up your life of piracy genius. A Shichibukai is a pirate. He was simply given special privileges so he wouldn't be a target of the WG and he personally went to protect fishman island himself because of that.
Oh wait, here's Jinbei specifically saying that he'll join the Shichibukai so his crew who have no desire to be pirates can go back to a normal life.
Looks like you're full of shit lol.
Jinbe is still the captain of his crew. He himself stated this. He's in the same position they're in.
I never disagreed with Jinbei being captain. The situation between his and Law's crews are still totally different lol.
This my last time going over this. Rebecca is not trouble and she has never been saved and never needed to be saved by Luffy. You've made the situation sound worse than it really was. The most we've seen of her currently were glimpses and tournament fighting scenes which were also glazed over. She hasn't contributed to shit and all the events that are currently happening would have still happened regardless of her being there or not.
Lol oh bloody hell. She's one of the main fucking characters in the arc, this isn't disputable. She's been locked into death matches for the majority of her life and made to fight while people cheered for her death, yeah that's just me "making the situation worse than it actually was". Stop trying to changes facts to suit your argument.
There is no other character who hasn't joined or wouldn't join that possesses all of them. Lol I'm done repeating stuff to you. It's redundant.
Yep, there hasn't been a single character with a tragic past who's had a bit of screentime and not joined the SH's. You are the worst troll ever, champ. lol
Smiley died if I remember correctly.
Smiley is a created weapon whose natural form is to turn into a cloud of death. It "died" four years ago when it turned into a gas cloud the first time.
Smiley only died if you also accept that the first time we saw it, it had already died and been reincarnated once, retained all its memories, and could be so again long as Ceaser is around.
Cloud form isn't death for smiley. It's its natural state.
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I think the whole royal family fits this description, especially Viola and Riku. Their situations are a little different for each, but each one suffered a lot because of Doflamingo. Kyros can be included as well, with not being remembered and seeing his family suffer. I don't think we can say this arc has a Damsel in Distress, I think it's more appropriate that a lot of people were affected, and that the royal family of Dressrosa was focused on more. Heck, after Doflamingo erected the Birdcage, everyone got hit, so sating one person represents everything is kind of disingenuous, that's my 2 cents at least.
Kyros lived as a toy for a decade, nobody remembered.
Viola had the safety of Doffy's crew in exchange for her crew.
People didn't even know whether Riku was alive or not.
The hatred of the Riku dynasty fell squarely on the only visible member of the Riku Dynasty, Rebecca.
Doffy turned the people to love him and to hate the Riku family, so much so that they actively cheer for Rebecca's death while praising Doffy.
She is the real embodiment of the bastardisation of Dressrosa.
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What part of the story will be different if Becca wasn't there? We will still know about Dressrosa darkness from Riku, Viola and Soldier-san. I mean what would have lost if Soldier-san didn't have a daughter? Diamante will still have killed his wife, Luffy will still have a reason to pummel Mingo and Dwarves will still want to save manshelly and return toys to normal. Honestly, Becca have been useless. I was relieved when she volunteered to take the keys to Luffy, I was like finally she has a job. I don't know how Oda plan to use her but let's be fair. Viola has offered more and Kyros has revealed more.
She's the cog that links these things together, has the well gone over tragic backstory, and is also a sympathetic character to put a face to all of that.
She's, as I said before, the embodiment of the bastardisation of Dressrosa.
Even at that, we most likely have a bit more to come from here when it comes to the battle against Diamante.
No. What you've said that far is speculative BS.
I say it again. I bet you 100$ American that she shows up again within the next 3 years.
If Punk Hazard hadn't lead so directly into Dresserossa, we'd be having her reappearance three chapters ago, but the nature of the Dofla arc throws off an accurate prediction of when exactly it'll be.
I'm basing this on storytelling technique and the author, and his 18 years of track record over 700 chapters. I don't give a shit about Monet or the actual specifics of how she survived. But she ain't dead.
You even made up some of it. You keep spamming this coverstory nonsense when this is really just something you're personally hoping for.
Nope. That's just Oda's track record. Just like we end up following Helmeppo, Buggy, Django, Hachi, Bon Kurei, Baroque Works, Wapol, Enel, CP9… Oda gives his villains a chance to reform after their previous dreams have been shattered. And he doesn't kill them.
In the end you're blatantly just in denial about what has occurred you've basically construed your perception of the story to fit your imagination.
I'm only providing examples of what Oda might do. The actual specifics don't matter. The overall storytelling and patterns Oda always uses, and the visual indicators he gave, are the key.
Characters just don't die without giving a speech, passing on their dreams and smiling. (And their death serving some sort of point in the story.) Monet did none of those three things, and Vergo certainly didn't. Not to mention Oda's made a point of showing them both in flashbacks since to remind us they exist. ANd unless a villain actually kills someone on camera (like Arlong to Bellemere) Oda always gives them a chance to reform and live a better life. It's just how Oda works.
Ironically, she'd have a better chance of being dead if she HADN'T been stabbed, since then her last moments would have been… giving a speech, passing on her dream of supporting Dofla, and smiling... rather than of sudden shock, dissapointment and failure.
That's just a possibility based on the assumption that he'll be caught by the marines. At least Blackbeard will surely rival the Straw Hats at one point. It's very unlikely for Law to be a rival in the future for Luffy with his mostly fodder crew. Also the Pirate King was unrivaled, the other crews were rivals from before One Piece was found, Blackbeard could very well be one of the last rivals towards finding One Piece and setting the Pirate King apart.
Point is though that Oda hasn't set up Law to be a future rival of Luffy at all.
Not really. I mean, Oda tends to have these pirates do things based on their real life Pirate counterpart. The real Blackbeard was captured and beheaded. It's fair to say Oda might do something similar for Teach's death.
Also, Law's crew isn't fodder. We don't even know how strong the rest of them rally are.
Saying the Pirate King was unrivaled makes me wonder if you actually read this series. Garp was Roger's rival. So was Newgate and Shiki. "When" he became Pirate King doesn't really matter because those characters were still rivals who could fight on par with him.
Law is an enemy Pirate. Thinking he wouldn't be a future rival is just stupid :T
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Yes. they are by definition "characters". But they're not characters.
This shit made no sense. lmfao
Not really. I mean, Oda tends to have these pirates do things based on their real life Pirate counterpart. The real Blackbeard was captured and beheaded. It's fair to say Oda might do something similar for Teach's death.
So Zoro will be eaten by cannibals? Ok.
So Zoro will be eaten by cannibals? Ok.
Zoro isn't particularly based upon that other Zorro. He's just using the name.
Zoro isn't particularly based upon that other Zorro. He's just using the name.
It's not like the real life Blackbeard is a dead ringer for the manga version either, really.
Although I really, really want BB's new ship to be named Queen Anne's Revenge.
Zoro isn't particularly based upon that other Zorro. He's just using the name.
Different measurements when it suits your arguments eh? Ok.
All those rivals you mentioned were rivals before Roger found One Piece, that does matter. Buggy was a rival pirate, now he's comic relief, not all rivals are meant to last till the end of times and Law certainly doesn't seem to stay a rival in the long run. You can easily tell his crew is mostly fodder by how Oda draws them, if you can't see that I seriously wonder if you actually read the series. Garp was an enemy not a rival pirate wi the same goal.
I bet you 100$ American that she shows up again within the next 3 years.
I don't really care if she does or not. I just don't like how you're purposely misinterpretating what was actually shown so it can correlate to what's happening inside your head. Making up nonsensical reasons as to why Monet wasn't stabbed in the heart when she was.
But she ain't dead.
You can't prove that she isn't. You're saying that and what's going to happen as a statement of fact when it's not.
And he doesn't kill them.
The problem is that none of them were stabbed in the heart or hinted to be dead after defeat. This is also the New World. Don't be surprised if Oda alters that after he himself gave the New World this type of reputation.
I'm only providing examples of what Oda might do
No, you're saying this as factual information. You even made the atrocious claim that fodder never die when they do and even made up dumb reasons as to why they still live.
Characters just don't die without giving a speech, passing on their dreams and smiling.
You can't prove that since you don't write this series.
Not to mention Oda's made a point of showing them both in flashbacks
Vergo was never shown in a flashback. Monet appeared in a flashback because she was actually there. Whitebeard and Ace also showed up in flashbacks after their deaths, what's your point?
ANd unless a villain actually kills someone on camera (like Arlong to Bellemere) Oda always gives them a chance to reform and live a better life. I
Monet did die on camera. Vergo was stated to be dead by Doflamingo. We have to stick to that until proven otherwise. It's not the other way around.
Different measurements when it suits your arguments eh? Ok.
Uh, no it's just obvious that the green haired santoryuu user isn't actually based upon the original Zorro.
All those rivals you mentioned were rivals before Roger found One Piece, that does matter. Buggy was a rival pirate, now he's comic relief, not all rivals are meant to last till the end of times and Law certainly doesn't seem to stay a rival in the long run. You can easily tell his crew is mostly fodder by how Oda draws them, if you can't see that I seriously wonder if you actually read the series. Garp was an enemy not a rival pirate wi the same goal.
What? and when he found One Piece they suddenly stopped being rivals and Roger suddenly became so strong that they weren't equals anymore? Seriously, thats not even an argument -_-
Buggy was never a rival. He was always comic relief. He was at best a minor threat during their first encounter. After that he was virtually irrelevant. Besides thats hardly the same thing as fighters who could fight Roger completely evenly. It's not like theres a huge gap between when he became Pirate King and when he constantly fought with his Rivals.
"they don't look strong so they must be weak fodder"? what kind of asinine logic is that? Bottom line is we don't know anything about his crew's strength. Stop jumping to conclusions based on appearances.
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It's not like the real life Blackbeard is a dead ringer for the manga version either, really.
Although I really, really want BB's new ship to be named Queen Anne's Revenge.
Well yeah it's Oda's "toon" version of Blackbeard but it's obvious that Blackbeard is the pirate he's based upon.
I agree on that last part. I wonder if that ship is large enough to hold SanJuan Wolf.
This shit made no sense. lmfao
You obviously know what I mean. Yes, these are characters in the sense that they're people in a story. But they shouldn't be compared to actual characters, like Luffy or even someone like Iceberg. The fact that you compared a nameless bandit in the first chapter, or homogenous background people to someone as developed like Kyros is insane.
Uh, no it's just obvious that the green haired santoryuu user isn't actually based upon the original Zorro.
What? and when he found One Piece they suddenly stopped being rivals and Roger suddenly became so strong that they weren't equals anymore? Seriously, thats not even an argument.
That's not what I've said, rivals don't have to last and Law seems to be one of those. Whether you agree or disagree, not all rivals last.
Buggy was never a rival. He was always comic relief. He was at best a minor threat during their first encounter. After that he was virtually irrelevant. Besides thats hardly the same thing as fighters who could fight Roger completely evenly. It's not like theres a huge gap between when he became Pirate King and when he constantly fought with his Rivals.
Point is Law doesn't seem to become a rival in the New World like they were. Blackbeard might as well be the new Shiki. What will beheading change? Shiki got locked up as well, it didn't change the fact that they were rivals.
"they don't look strong so they must be weak fodder"? what kind of asinine logic is that? Bottom line is we don't know anything about his crew's strength. Stop jumping to conclusions based on appearances.
Again, that's not what I've said. They are drawn without much detail and thought besides Beppo and Jean-Bart. Kid and Blackbeard are examples of having a crew that is fleshed out to rival the Straw Hats. Bottom line is that we don't know if Law will be a rival in the future or an ally. You say he will stay Luffy's rival, I say he won't. Stop jumping to conclusions based on vague similarities.
I don't really care if she does or not. I just don't like how you're purposely misinterpretating what was actually shown so it can correlate to what's happening inside your head. Making up nonsensical reasons as to why Monet wasn't stabbed in the heart when she was.
You can't prove that she isn't. You're saying that and what's going to happen as a statement of fact when it's not.
I only can't prove it because Oda hasn't gotten to it YET. But given his writing patterns and habits and how he treats and approaches things, I'm 100% in the right on this. She and Vergo are alive, FACT. We the audience just don't know the details yet. Doflamingo only thinks they're dead so that they're free from his service and being arrested.
I was right about Franky Family, Sabo, Bon Kurei, and their reasons for survival, and was even among those that correctly caleld that Ace, then Whitebeard, WOULD die, and the reasons for it, and was one of the first ones supporting Jinbe based on the facts and how Oda presented things rather than any actual things Jinbe had done at that point.. I've been around a long time and I've studied the series and its author at length. I know what I'm talking about and my track record is solid.
The problem is that none of them were stabbed in the heart or hinted to be dead after defeat. This is also the New World. Don't be surprised if Oda alters that after he himself gave the New World this type of reputation.
And Pell took a bomb to the face, and Pagaya was destroyed by a bolt of lightning, and some shlub on Saobondy was exploded, shot and peed on, and a pirate bit his tongue off, Sabo took a canonball to the face, and they're all fine.
oda hasn't made the new world particularly more deadly. He didn't change it up with Caribou's crew crushed under the ocean, Hody's victims, or the people turned to stone. He's not changing it up, everyone is still living.
No, you're saying this as factual information. You even made the atrocious claim that fodder never die when they do and even made up dumb reasons as to why they still live.
The fodder don't die though. No one has pointed to a single dead body or funeral yet past Alabasta. Oda puts characters in danger but he doesn't have consequences anymore, its one of his largest writing weaknesses.
You can't prove that since you don't write this series.
The burden on proving characters have died is on you. The author has gone out of his way to have everyone live. I'm not the author but I know how he works pretty damn well. In terms of storytelling, tone, pacing, consistency. Oda has certain things he does, and having characters, even badguys, live inexplicably is one of those things.
Vergo was never shown in a flashback. Monet appeared in a flashback because she was actually there. Whitebeard and Ace also showed up in flashbacks after their deaths, what's your point?
Monet did die on camera. Vergo was stated to be dead by Doflamingo. We have to stick to that until proven otherwise. It's not the other way around.
Odas track record says otherwise. He's had characters survive inexplicably 99.99% of the time, the exceptions being major story changers, Merry, Ace, Whitebeard, and flashback mentors. He doesn't kill indiscriminately for no reason, and he doesn't let characters die without a smile and having passed on their dreams. He just doesn't do it.
Mass murder irredeemable monster ARLONG is still alive. He's not letting a couple characters with wacky quirks from this late in the story actually die. He's just letting them free from Doflamingo.
Oda framed the camera and pacing to lead you to one conclusion, then gave hints on his out in the very next chapter. Monet fainted on camera, and Vergo wasn't shown at all. They're fine.
Again. Had Monet actually hit the trigger causing the explosion to try and take out the strawhats, she might actually be dead since she would have made a speech, died content (smiling!) and for a point. But she didn't. She was interrupted, shocked, upset, and her mission unfullfilled, so fainting from blood loss no longer served any sort of story point… so she's fine. That's how Oda works.
Oda loves his characters, all of them, to a fault. Oda just does NOT handle death that way. Not for unfulfilled dreams or sad endings.
A running theme with most people in the manga section is that in addition to not understanding One Piece, they don't understand Oda in the slightest.
Oda loves his characters, all of them, to a fault. Oda just does NOT handle death that way. Not for unfulfilled dreams or sad endings.
It always reminds I should be too old to read/watch shounen like One Piece when I see characters come back from certain death… Then there's some comic relief right after to make forget it instantly again
I only can't prove it
This is all I needed to see. You can't prove it therefore your argument is invalid gibberish that shouldn't be taken seriously.
All you've done and all you're still doing is making up nonsense.
You don't need to continuously write books to get whatever you're trying to say across. No one wants to read all that. Short and concise replies like "I can't prove it" tell me all I need to know. It's still odd that you're trying to pass off something you have no proof of as indisputable.
Shit Magi. I can't prove that the sun will rise tomorrow. But, based on my twenty plus years of existence, I have seen the sun rise every day. Now, I can't prove that it will rise tomorrow, but I have enough repeated evidence to support such a claim.
This is all I needed to see. You can't proive it therefore your argument is invalid gibberish that shouldn't be taken seriously.
All you've done and all you're still doing is making up nonsense.
I'm not saying "I think the next crewmember should be a three breasted tomboyish archer girl with a devil fruit that creates monkies that we haven't seen yet!"
I'm citing the author's habits, storytelling, thematics, recurring elements, author interviews, detailed analysis of what's on the actual page, and 700 chapters and 18 years of past history to make extremely educated and consistently accurate analysis of the story and the material presented.
You're just looking at the surface and ignoring all the details and the nature of the author and the series entirely.
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Shit Magi. I can't prove that the sun will rise tomorrow. But, based on my twenty plus years of existence, I have seen the sun rise every day. Now, I can't prove that it will rise tomorrow, but I have enough repeated evidence to support such a claim.
This is an awful example.
This is a fictional series that is written and planned by someone.
They're not comparable.
What you're saying is similar to me saying that just because I've lived for so and so years I'm definitely not going to die tomorrow even though I have no way to prove that.
@Robby:
I'm not saying "I think the next crewmember should be a three breasted tomboyish archer girl with a devil fruit that creates monkies that we haven't seen yet!"
That's what you would be better off saying it's a theory rather than saying "I can't prove something but it's a fact anyway". Do you not know what a fact is?
This is all I needed to see. You can't proive it therefore your argument is invalid gibberish that shouldn't be taken seriously.
All you've done and all you're still doing is making up nonsense.You don't need to continuously write books to get whatever you're trying to say across. No one wants to read all that.
All of Robby's arguments are solid. Oda does not kill off characters like that, and there is absolutely nothing that implies that Oda has or will change the habit of keeping characters alive after the time-skip.
How did you react when Pell was shown to be alive (or Bon Kurei etc.)?
This is an awful example.
This is a fictional series that is written and planned by someone.
They're not comparable.
What you're saying is similar to me saying that just because I've lived for so and so years I'm definitely not going to die tomorrow even though I have no way to prove that.
No, it really isn't. Have you ever taken a critical thinking course? Have you ever taken an English / Literature class after elementary school? This is what you learn in those classes. I have evidence that the sun has risen every day that I have been alive. There is proof that the sun rose before that. There are laws that dictate what will happen next. The sun will rise tomorrow. Of course, it could explode or expand and consume us all.
The point of this crappy analogy is that Oda has his habits. He has his tendencies. Just because we cannot predict the exact thing that happens next does not mean we cannot make accurate predictions based on repeated facts. The fact is, Oda has had many, many obvious opportunities to kill off his characters. You should look no farther than the slave in the auction house that bit off his own tongue to escape slavery. By dying. And yet the character is still alive. There is a solid chance that Arlong will never show up again. Yet he is still alive.
I can tell you that Steve Rogers will be Captain America again. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in two years, but Steve Rogers will be Captain America again. Isaiah Bradley did not last, Bucky did not last, and Sam Wilson did not last. Even as much as Marvel says this is the new status quo, Steve will be Captain America again.
This is what critical thinking is.
All of Robby's arguments are solid.
What you people fail to realise is that something in a fictional series that can not be proven is not "solid".
The old pell argument is redundant. We didn't see pell die. It was assumed that he was dead when we didn't even see a trace of his body to verify that. Bon Clay was never shown to be dead either. We didn't even see magellan strike him. Monet is a different case entirely. You're not convincing anyone of her status unless you have the panel showing us her current status to verify that. If It's not shown to be within the series or the text didn't come from Oda then you have no legitimate argument. I could care less about the rest since it's all opinionated.
What you people fail to realise is that something in a fictional series that can not be proven is not "solid".
Magi, what you fail to realize is that stories are not a collection of random events. Even ignoring techniques like foreshadowing, it is possible to predict what comes next. Authors have their habits. There is an established tone in One Piece. I can tell you, for a fact, that Luffy will achieve his dream of being Pirate King. I know this because Oda is writing a Shonen series for adolescent boys.
Magi, reread this series. I'd be surprised if you don't begin to recognize Oda's pattern.
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Magi, what you fail to realize is that stories are not a collection of random events. Even ignoring techniques like foreshadowing, it is possible to predict what comes next. Authors have their habits. There is an established tone in One Piece. I can tell you, for a fact, that Luffy will achieve his dream of being Pirate King. I know this because Oda is writing a Shonen series for adolescent boys.
Magi, reread this series. I'd be surprised if you don't begin to recognize Oda's pattern.
This is my last post on the subject so don't bother replying because I'm not reading it.
Your argument is simply an opinion. It's not a given.
This is all I needed to see. You can't prove it therefore your argument is invalid gibberish that shouldn't be taken seriously.
All you've done and all you're still doing is making up nonsense.You don't need to continuously write books to get whatever you're trying to say across. No one wants to read all that. Short and concise replies like "I can't prove it" tell me all I need to know. It's still odd that you're trying to pass off something you have no proof of as indisputable.
This is an awful example.
This is a fictional series that is written and planned by someone.
They're not comparable.
What you're saying is similar to me saying that just because I've lived for so and so years I'm definitely not going to die tomorrow even though I have no way to prove that.That's what you would be better off saying it's a theory rather than saying "I can't prove something but it's a fact anyway". Do you not know what a fact is?
What you people fail to realise is that something in a fictional series that can not be proven is not "solid".
The old pell argument is redundant. We didn't see pell die. It was assumed that he was dead when we didn't even see a trace of his body to verify that. Bon Clay was never shown to be dead either. We didn't even see magellan strike him. Monet is a different case entirely. You're not convincing anyone of her status unless you have the panel showing us her current status to verify that. If It's not shown to be within the series or the text didn't come from Oda then you have no legitimate argument. I could care less about the rest since it's all opinionated.
This is my last post on the subject so don't bother replying because I'm not reading it.
Your argument is simply an opinion. It's not a given.
@Cyan:
This is true catharsis.
To be fair though, a stabbed heart is a big step up in comparison to the usual explosions, water pressure etc. Eventhough the pattern of no deaths is very clear, a lot of 'deaths' seem to be left open and up for interpretation. Is it entirely impossible that Oda left it that way intentionally so some could 'die' in the minds of the readers?
This is my last post on the subject so don't bother replying because I'm not reading it.
Your argument is simply an opinion. It's not a given.
Our argument is ODA AND HIS LAST 750 CHAPTERS.
Your argument is "ODA AND TWO PANELS… that are then torn apart by the following panels and chapter"
What we're all saying is pattern, style, theme, age group, content based, FACT. The author works a certain way, and that's not going to change at complete random.
For Oda, Monet is still alive. He just hasn't gotten around to showing the hows and whys to the readers yet.
Poor Robby… He can't win this fight. Even if he is absolutely right.
I can't wait for the day Monet will come back... I hope Oda will make fun of people letting her show the middle finger with her breaking the 4th wall...
What's the point of "winning" when your opponents are trolls and fools.
@Light:
What's the point of "winning" when your opponents are trolls and fools.
It's not about winning the argument. It's about trying to get someone to think smarter, and to appreciate the work more by looking deeper than just the surface. Same way we try to debunk the "anything can happen because it's random!" nonsense that keeps popping back up. We're teachers and educators here.
It's love for the series, not caring passionately about one specific detail or another.
I totally agree! Debating should be about sharing ideas and learning from one another. But Magi obviously refuses to learn, dunno why.
I assume that Monet and Vergo managed to survive somehow just because of the history of the series, along with the fact that we haven't seen the bodies of either of them which is a pretty big indication to me, but at the same time, they really aren't relevant aside from their ties to Doflamingo, so assuming that they're dead isn't doing any harm either.
I don't really know how they'd even play a key role in the future though. They're not exactly kind people, and they lack the dangerous ties with key individuals like Caesar does, so I really can't say I care to see them again. However, who knows where the story will be years from now, so Oda will probably be able to reintroduce them and make it work.
I don't really know how they'd even play a key role in the future though. They're not exactly kind people, and they lack the dangerous ties with key individuals like Caesar does, so I really can't say I care to see them again. However, who knows where the story will be years from now, so Oda will probably be able to reintroduce them and make it work.
You can say that about most of the villains that have had coverstories.. and have still managed to work back into the main narrative. Or at least get happier endings than "beat up by the strawhats and goal ended in failure".
In One Piece, people are alive until proven dead.
In One Piece, people are alive until proven dead.
People will continue to forget this until the series ends.
I don't really care if she does or not. I just don't like how you're purposely misinterpretating what was actually shown so it can correlate to what's happening inside your head. Making up nonsensical reasons as to why Monet wasn't stabbed in the heart when she was.
You can't prove that she isn't. You're saying that and what's going to happen as a statement of fact when it's not.
The problem is that none of them were stabbed in the heart or hinted to be dead after defeat. This is also the New World. Don't be surprised if Oda alters that after he himself gave the New World this type of reputation.
No, you're saying this as factual information. You even made the atrocious claim that fodder never die when they do and even made up dumb reasons as to why they still live.
You can't prove that since you don't write this series.
Vergo was never shown in a flashback. Monet appeared in a flashback because she was actually there. Whitebeard and Ace also showed up in flashbacks after their deaths, what's your point?
Monet did die on camera. Vergo was stated to be dead by Doflamingo. We have to stick to that until proven otherwise. It's not the other way around.
Got a link for this ? I might have somehow missed this part .