I had a dream last night that the 753 spoilers were out. Sucks I had to wake up to find out I had to wait another week.:sad:
Chapter 752: "Palm"
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Okei, how many more breaks will there be this year?
My guess is that there will be 15 more breaks before 01.01.2015
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Know what's worse than a break? Forgetting about it <.<
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@Devil:
Know what's worse than a break? Forgetting about it <.<
Gotoh looks like he knows where to find one piece. Yohohoho! Sorry about that…
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spoiler coming on sunday :D im waiting… i'll keep waiting :D
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Hey is the little Sea Kitten seen in this chapter at all related to the one in Alabasta? Was there one in Alabasta? I feel like there was a sea cat that looked just like this one. It was something Vivi tried to protect as an endangered species or something right? I wonder if there is a relation.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Hey is the little Sea Kitten seen in this chapter at all related to the one in Alabasta? Was there one in Alabasta? I feel like there was a sea cat that looked just like this one. It was something Vivi tried to protect as an endangered species or something right? I wonder if there is a relation.
There was one, Luffy wanted to cook it. Vivi didn't let that because they were considered sacred or something.
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They supposedly lived in waters around Alabasta, but we can't know if they live only in waters around Alabasta.
Don't know what the connection might be. Practically the only thing that could tie Alabasta to New World is Crocodile.
Maybe Crocodile took a baby sea cat as a pet, but the sea cat got lost, along with her friend random fish, and now they are asking Jinbei to help them get back to Croc. Crocodile is no stranger to aquariums. Maybe he took a liking to yet another Alabasta animal.
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Thought so. I looked through my VIZ volumes and it is a sacred animal of Alabasta. I'm betting this sea cat will be just one of many damsels Jinbe is going to help out along the way. Still though I wonder if this little cat will have any real importance to the story later, well even if just a little bit.
I suppose Oda could have just forgotten(lol) that it's habitat is off the coast of Sandy Island or maybe they have a range that somehow extends all the way into the New World, or maybe the kitten is just that lost. What ever the case I feel like Jinbe helping out this cat would actually lead to some sort positive relationship with Vivi(as if Luffy wasn't enough of a solid connection already hahaha).
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And yes, I'm being negative. This arc has been nothing but endless stream of disappointments for a while now. Why would I be positive.
You must not be reading the same series I am if you think this arc's been disappointing. Its only major flaw would be skipping fights that should have been shown and spending a bit too much time on fodder characters, but that only knocks it down from A material to B material in my opinion. Still a very good arc overall so far.
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Personally i'm enjoying the arc, i would've preferred having less set up now, a little progress, and repeat later on. Now it just feels like everythings being prepared, but nothing's actually happening.
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You must not be reading the same series I am if you think this arc's been disappointing. Its only major flaw would be skipping fights that should have been shown and spending a bit too much time on fodder characters, but that only knocks it down from A material to B material in my opinion. Still a very good arc overall so far.
A) Not the thing I said. This time at least.
B) I've already presented plenty of reason as to why this arc can be considered disappointing.
C) Opinions are opinions. Especially when it comes to Shonen genre.
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Suggesting that Doflamingo posseses none…?
And yes, I'm being negative. This arc has been nothing but endless stream of disappointments for a while now. Why would I be positive.
You must be fun person outside of forums…
Buy it in volumes and you will appreciate it far more. Also marine butthurt should be less noticable in few months and this should also help see that this arc as whole is shaping up to be great read.
There was most build up that I seen in One Piece - or at least remember - but I believe those allies Luffy is getting now will play some roles for years to come.
Same as I believe that we will get back to Fishman Island again soon enough and that build up that we gotten there and some presumably a bit empty chapters or foreshadowings that were hinted to be part of future arc will pay up in the end. -
You must be fun person outside of forums…
Oh yes. It's just something about this arc that causes me to be extremly cynical.
Buy it in volumes and you will appreciate it far more. Also marine butthurt should be less noticable in few months and this should also help see that this arc as whole is shaping up to be great read.
There was most build up that I seen in One Piece - or at least remember - but I believe those allies Luffy is getting now will play some roles for years to come.
Same as I believe that we will get back to Fishman Island again soon enough and that build up that we gotten there and some presumably a bit empty chapters or foreshadowings that were hinted to be part of future arc will pay up in the end.Problem: That's all build-up to the supposed future arcs. And the current one suffers for it.
We shall see.
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A) Not the thing I said. This time at least.
B) I've already presented plenty of reason as to why this arc can be considered disappointing.
C) Opinions are opinions. Especially when it comes to Shonen genre.
I disagree this arc has been amazing in my opinion. We got big mom up to something with the rest of the sunny crew. We're just about to get to the fights after the flashback (I hope) and plus luffy gained a ton of allies in chinjao, Bartolomeo, riku family etc. We got introduced to a new admiral. and finally we got the Sabo reveal!! I mean that alone makes the arc amazing.
Andy Dalton the GOAT.
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I disagree this arc has been amazing in my opinion. We got big mom up to something with the rest of the sunny crew. We're just about to get to the fights after the flashback (I hope) and plus luffy gained a ton of allies in chinjao, Bartolomeo, riku family etc. We got introduced to a new admiral. and finally we got the Sabo reveal!! I mean that alone makes the arc amazing.
All superficial hype-building.
And don't even get me started on Sabo, we are going to be here all day. Or night, in my case.
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All superficial hype-building.
And don't even get me started on Sabo, we are going to be here all day. Or night, in my case.
Find a job then, you will have less time and strength for complaining so much or explaining why characters sucks so much in your opinion. Its not that OP is so bad this arc.. You complain for sake of complaining and of course all build up will pay up sooner or later as it always did. You know it, most of people know it and you still keep complaining.
Oda and One Piece is getting better, simple as that. This arc will be pretty insane from perspective of time as its start and build up for anti-yonko war soon.Sabo was a douche now he is rather interesting even as I didnt expected him to be THAT strong against VA Bastille. Its been too early since his re-introduction to judge him so just dont go too far with judging Sabo.
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Find a job then, you will have less time and strength for complaining so much or explaining why characters sucks so much in your opinion. Its not that OP is so bad this arc.. You complain for sake of complaining and of course all build up will pay up sooner or later as it always did. You know it, most of people know it and you still keep complaining.
Oda and One Piece is getting better, simple as that. This arc will be pretty insane from perspective of time as its start and build up for anti-yonko war soon.Sabo was a douche now he is rather interesting even as I didnt expected him to be THAT strong against VA Bastille. Its been too early since his re-introduction to judge him so just dont go too far with judging Sabo.
I also dont like him much but he is getting some simple but still- developments.Yup.
Just like Fishman Island.
The myth of Oda being absolutly perfect needs to fall, so that people stop using this argument with me. "It's all going to make sense and be perfect in the end, cause it's One Piece". Fine. But at the moment, it is far from it.
And if you guys are so secure in that knowledge, I have no idea why are tryin to keep convince me of it. I've been optimistic about this arc, and I forgave pretty much anything that Oda did, except maybe for threatment of Burgess. And all I got in return was disappointment. Not gonna make the same mistake twice.
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Problem: That's all build-up to the supposed future arcs. And the current one suffers for it.
We shall see.
Well, this build-up has to happen sooner or later.
Luffy won't make allies out of nowhere.
Yup.
Just like Fishman Island.
The myth of Oda being absolutly perfect needs to fall, so that people stop using this argument with me. "It's all going to make sense and be perfect in the end, cause it's One Piece". Fine. But at the moment, it is far from it.
And if you guys are so secure in that knowledge, I have no idea why are tryin to keep convince me of it. I've been optimistic about this arc, and I forgave pretty much anything that Oda did, except maybe for threatment of Burgess. And all I got in return was disappointment. Not gonna make the same mistake twice.
You know Fishman Island will be revisited, right?
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Well, this build-up has to happen sooner or later.
Luffy won't make allies out of nowhere.
Actually, Luffy's made it pretty clear that he doesn't want them as allies. How do you figure they will stick around?
You know Fishman Island will be revisited, right?
No. I don't. And neither do you, actually.
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Actually, Luffy's made it pretty clear that he doesn't want them as allies. How do you figure they will stick around?
Because Luffy won't take an entire Emperor's crew + allies with a measly 9 people.
Also, Luffy keeps rejecting them, but they're still there, aren't they?
No. I don't. And neither do you, actually.
With the myriads of unresolved plot points like Shyarly's prediction, Noah's repairing and Poseidon? Not to mention Luffy's claim of making it his territory?
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Actually, Luffy's made it pretty clear that he doesn't want them as allies. How do you figure they will stick around?
Now now Darth… you're usually more reasonable than this.
It doesn't matter if Luffy wants them as allies or not. They will support Luffy whether he wants it or not
No. I don't. And neither do you, actually.
True. However, considering Madame Shirley's plot device… and unless Oda decides to forget about that plot point. There's a strong chance the series will re-visit Fishman Island in some way.
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There's also the stuff about the Poneglyph, Joy Boy from the surface and breaking his bargain about Noah. He's definitely setting up for…something. Probably stuff that will be revealed much, much later in the story.
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All superficial hype-building.
And don't even get me started on Sabo, we are going to be here all day. Or night, in my case.
How can you not like Sabo?
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How can you not like Sabo?
I can't speak for Darth - because I'm not an insane Akainu zealot - but personally, I feel Sabo hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him. I'm also still fairly bitter about how he completely deus ex machina'd that entire Colosseum/fruit side plot in the most nonchalant and anti-climactic way imaginable.
Mind you I actually really liked him as a kid and wanted to see him come back.. but not like this. So far he's like a noxious amalgamation of Ace and every other unwated shounen hero stereotype. I also feel he detracts from the tension that was there prior to his introduction.
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I'm somewhat convinced that Darth's hatred of Sabo stems from Sabo posing a threat to high-ranking marines.
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Good is a crazy theory means maybe, but I'm here to present some ideas that even with the guys and see what you can say about this city that has grown Law said. The White City.
Gave several first researched on the origin of Law, and he came from the North Blue nicknamed "Surgeon of Death". Could be several reasons why he chose this path of "medicine." But until then what I said about his choice would guess, even bringing the theory remains supposition but gives to think about.Who else came from the North Blue? The famous Nortland tonattas who knew them and was born in a town called Lvneel not know the color of Norland city where he was born, but I'll tell you what I know.
Norland went out worldwide as a botanical explorer from north to south with its crew. And when he met Jaya discovered that the island was being ravaged by a terrible curse where many natives died.
Calgara calls the fever of the island, but Norland called "Infection Madeira"!
Doing the math here around 463 years ago this same infection killed over 100 thousand on their village.Now comes the theory … This same island after 400 years would be the same island of Law, where his parents and family friends died of this disease and made their homeland a total wreck. Why? Norland because it was run with the biggest liar in the world, so put aside his research and the disease again became epidemic on their island.
After seeing his people dying patient, decided to be a killer and destroyer, now with the stolen dreams and your family.No longer have any desire to live.
Would Lvneel the island of Law?
It would also be encouraged to Corazón Law to be a surgeon?
Corazón was a friend of Vega Punk? Knowing that Law has influences brother Doflamingo? -
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Stop baiting.
Baiting what? I don't read the threads here that often so I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm assuming there was some drama or something, but I was just curious.
@Miss:
I can't speak for Darth - because I'm not an insane Akainu zealot - but personally, I feel Sabo hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him. I'm also still fairly bitter about how he completely deus ex machina'd that entire Colosseum/fruit side plot in the most nonchalant and anti-climactic way imaginable.
Mind you I actually really liked him as a kid and wanted to see him come back.. but not like this. So far he's like a noxious amalgamation of Ace and every other unwated shounen hero stereotype. I also feel he detracts from the tension that was there prior to his introduction.
Not me. I found the hype worthy. The way he slaughtered that arena and took the flame flame fruit was beastly. And if he's the second in command of the revolutionary army under Dragon himself, you should expect him to be this strong. He may not be the most likable character in the series but I don't think he's done anything worth any hate he's apparently getting.
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Good is a crazy theory means maybe, but I'm here to present some ideas that even with the guys and see what you can say about this city that has grown Law said. The White City.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg640/Kemuel90/716eeca2-9845-4797-add2-ab8e6dea50f4_zps1c8e258c.png
Gave several first researched on the origin of Law, and he came from the North Blue nicknamed "Surgeon of Death". Could be several reasons why he chose this path of "medicine." But until then what I said about his choice would guess, even bringing the theory remains supposition but gives to think about.Who else came from the North Blue? The famous Nortland tonattas who knew them and was born in a town called Lvneel not know the color of Norland city where he was born, but I'll tell you what I know.
Norland went out worldwide as a botanical explorer from north to south with its crew. And when he met Jaya discovered that the island was being ravaged by a terrible curse where many natives died.
Calgara calls the fever of the island, but Norland called "Infection Madeira"! http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg640/Kemuel90/31_079_zpsa3447216.png
Doing the math here around 463 years ago this same infection killed over 100 thousand on their village.Now comes the theory … This same island after 400 years would be the same island of Law, where his parents and family friends died of this disease and made their homeland a total wreck. Why? Norland because it was run with the biggest liar in the world, so put aside his research and the disease again became epidemic on their island.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg640/Kemuel90/616406df-bb84-4ef6-b8a0-c33b20f809e1_zpsd6b5614e.png
After seeing his people dying patient, decided to be a killer and destroyer, now with the stolen dreams and your family.No longer have any desire to live.
Would Lvneel the island of Law?
It would also be encouraged to Corazón Law to be a surgeon?
Corazón was a friend of Vega Punk? Knowing that Law has influences brother Doflamingo?Idea of sickness killing Laws family and most of people on his island makes sense.
But for Law to loose desire to live he must have seen his parents dying. Corazon probably saved not his life in medical way
so to say(as Law might have been unluckily for him immune to that sickness) but he saved him from becoming like
Doflamingo became after his destructive childhood.As for Corazon I think he was world known doctor as we seen most probably his symbol on Whitebeard meds around 500 chapters ago if I am not mistaken.
Doflamingo taking over his brothers business would make sense.I also think that Kaido and Doflamingo cooperated and through meds they were poisoning and weakening Whitebeard.
That might have been reason why out of all Yonko it was Kaido that tried to attack Whitebeard just before marineford. Doflamingo already before war said
that its era of "smile" so he probably already worked with Kaido on them even back then. If Corazon was really a doctor and if meds for Whitebeard were
from his ex-company then I think my theory is highly possible- that Doflamingo was poisoning Whitebeard. Maybe World Goverment and some of top
marines also knew about it if poisoning was done by Doflamingo? Who knows.No. I don't. And neither do you, actually.
Oda is not Kubo and loose ends are always explained sooner or later.
We still have lot of things that might be reason for Strawhats to comming back to Fishman Island- first - Shirahoshi promise that when they meet again she wont be a crybaby,
madame Shirley prediction, Luffys words about making Fishman Island his own turf. You know that its already a lot reasons right?
We still didnt seem world famous Fishman Island Dojo, Noah is getting repaired, we seen man that will teach Shirahoshi use her power- that man looks like Shanks or Luffy in
Shanks coat(I think that Luffy will have Shanks coat and no other coat ever, maybe after Shanks dies- would go along with giving Luffy hat and then captains coat),
There is still Jinbe and his relation with Big Mom.So you really say we dont know if Fishman island will be visited one time or the other? Really Darth?
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Idea of sickness killing Laws family and most of people on his island makes sense.
But for Law to loose desire to live he must have seen his parents dying. Corazon probably saved not his life in medical way
so to say(as Law might have been unluckily for him immune to that sickness) but he saved him from becoming like
Doflamingo became after his destructive childhood.As for Corazon I think he was world known doctor as we seen most probably his symbol on Whitebeard meds around 500 chapters ago if I am not mistaken.
Doflamingo taking over his brothers business would make sense.I also think that Kaido and Doflamingo cooperated and through meds they were poisoning and weakening Whitebeard.
That might have been reason why out of all Yonko it was Kaido that tried to attack Whitebeard just before marineford. Doflamingo already before war said
that its era of "smile" so he probably already worked with Kaido on them even back then. If Corazon was really a doctor and if meds for Whitebeard were
from his ex-company then I think my theory is highly possible- that Doflamingo was poisoning Whitebeard. Maybe World Goverment and some of top
marines also knew about it if poisoning was done by Doflamingo? Who knows.Oda is not Kubo and loose ends are always explained sooner or later.
We still have lot of things that might be reason for Strawhats to comming back to Fishman Island- first - Shirahoshi promise that when they meet again she wont be a crybaby,
madame Shirley prediction, Luffys words about making Fishman Island his own turf. You know that its already a lot reasons right?
We still didnt seem world famous Fishman Island Dojo, Noah is getting repaired, we seen man that will teach Shirahoshi use her power- that man looks like Shanks or Luffy in
Shanks coat(I think that Luffy will have Shanks coat and no other coat ever, maybe after Shanks dies- would go along with giving Luffy hat and then captains coat),
There is still Jinbe and his relation with Big Mom.So you really say we dont know if Fishman island will be visited one time or the other? Really Darth?
For a second I thought that you were implying Oda and Kubo were the same person, shows how tired I am tonight. Of course, there's a lot of things we could say about that, but I'm going to stick on topic.
The idea of Doflamingo trying to spread something to each Yonkou to try to drain their strength. Maybe he gives Kaido the SMILE to become stronger and overtake the others, but once Kaido wins Doflamingo knows the side effects and can easily win. Whitebeard could've been poisoned, but it might've had been because of age as first stated. I'd prefer Whitebeard having not been poisoned, and not mess with any of that. I don't know about this forum, but I know on some others that some people were guessing that Shirley's prediction was more metaphorical, such as he will change the old structure. That one I don't quite buy, since it was less about the fishman, and more about the humans discriminating the fishmen. The other theory I heard which could be more likely is that because of Luffy's actions, the island gets destroyed.
They could possibly go back to Fishman Island, but they would have to go backwards from where they want to go, and they would have to get their ship coated again just to do that. I have doubts the Straw Hats will go back, but the island will be affected because of some future actions from Luffy.
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For a second I thought that you were implying Oda and Kubo were the same person, shows how tired I am tonight. Of course, there's a lot of things we could say about that, but I'm going to stick on topic.
The idea of Doflamingo trying to spread something to each Yonkou to try to drain their strength. Maybe he gives Kaido the SMILE to become stronger and overtake the others, but once Kaido wins Doflamingo knows the side effects and can easily win. Whitebeard could've been poisoned, but it might've had been because of age as first stated. I'd prefer Whitebeard having not been poisoned, and not mess with any of that. I don't know about this forum, but I know on some others that some people were guessing that Shirley's prediction was more metaphorical, such as he will change the old structure. That one I don't quite buy, since it was less about the fishman, and more about the humans discriminating the fishmen. The other theory I heard which could be more likely is that because of Luffy's actions, the island gets destroyed.
They could possibly go back to Fishman Island, but they would have to go backwards from where they want to go, and they would have to get their ship coated again just to do that. I have doubts the Straw Hats will go back, but the island will be affected because of some future actions from Luffy.
I think that Shirleys prediction was more strictfoward than we expected. Its like she hopes it was methaphor as she was always right and Luffy is saviour of Fishman Island so it impossible for them to think he would one day destroy Fishman Island.
Maybe Fishman Island will be destroyed by Luffy so Fishman have no choice and have to go to surface to world and cant stay hidden from world. When there will be place for them outside of Fishman Island and they would be afraid to go to world as long as they have FI.As for Smile maybe deal if off when Kaido doesnt get his Smile because those users need to eat those smile fruits once in a while for effect of fake fruit to hold so to say.
So when Kaido builds up his army too much while relying on Smile fruits Doflamingo would be able to stop providing Smile and Kaidos army would be no more. Relying on power of others for too long make person weaker so with Doflamingo even something like destroying Kaido army with stopping Smile production sounds possible.
Damn, off to work.Im almost 99% sure that SH have to revisit FI at some further point of the story - as there is still kind of promise of the future of fishman people outside of Fishman Island itself.
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@Miss:
I can't speak for Darth - because I'm not an insane Akainu zealot - but personally, I feel Sabo hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him. I'm also still fairly bitter about how he completely deus ex machina'd that entire Colosseum/fruit side plot in the most nonchalant and anti-climactic way imaginable.
Mind you I actually really liked him as a kid and wanted to see him come back.. but not like this. So far he's like a noxious amalgamation of Ace and every other unwated shounen hero stereotype. I also feel he detracts from the tension that was there prior to his introduction.
Hey, that's actually almost completly in line with my own thoughts.
Neat.
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Baiting what? I don't read the threads here that often so I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm assuming there was some drama or something, but I was just curious.
People that do would tell you that I was quite vocal in my hatred of Sabo. And you know… reading me telling the same things over, and over again, is most likely quite boring. Even if I do try and put a new spin on it everytime.
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@Cyan:
I'm somewhat convinced that Darth's hatred of Sabo stems from Sabo posing a threat to high-ranking marines.
Hmm, that might be because you haven't read any of my posts for quite a while, and yet you still talking like you do.
If you did, you would know that my hatred for Sabo stems from the end of Coloseum, mostly, and that was before he even had any marines in sight.
And honestly? I dislike the fact that Revolutionaries thus far shown are more brawlers then thinkers. It makes me sad, to be honest. And disappointed.
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I think that Shirleys prediction was more strictfoward than we expected. Its like she hopes it was methaphor as she was always right and Luffy is saviour of Fishman Island so it impossible for them to think he would one day destroy Fishman Island.
Maybe Fishman Island will be destroyed by Luffy so Fishman have no choice and have to go to surface to world and cant stay hidden from world. When there will be place for them outside of Fishman Island and they would be afraid to go to world as long as they have FI.As for Smile maybe deal if off when Kaido doesnt get his Smile because those users need to eat those smile fruits once in a while for effect of fake fruit to hold so to say.
So when Kaido builds up his army too much while relying on Smile fruits Doflamingo would be able to stop providing Smile and Kaidos army would be no more. Relying on power of others for too long make person weaker so with Doflamingo even something like destroying Kaido army with stopping Smile production sounds possible.
Damn, off to work.Im almost 99% sure that SH have to revisit FI at some further point of the story - as there is still kind of promise of the future of fishman people outside of Fishman Island itself.
I can see where you are coming from, just the only place they ever went back to a second time was Saobody, and that was because they were separated there in the first place. If they do go back to Fishman Island, hopefully it will be a quick part of the story, since we got most of the story for that arc already. If anything, I can possibly see them going shortly after this arc after meeting up with the crew again, then go back to FI for whatever else happens. If they get to far in the New World, the amount of time to get back would increase, and going back would be a waste of time. It never really crossed my mind that they might go back.
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Not me. I found the hype worthy. The way he slaughtered that arena and took the flame flame fruit was beastly. And if he's the second in command of the revolutionary army under Dragon himself, you should expect him to be this strong. He may not be the most likable character in the series but I don't think he's done anything worth any hate he's apparently getting.
See, my problem isn't really with Sabo himself, but more with how and when he was introduced. I can understand why he'd be that strong; I have no problem with that part, it makes sense. But just the way it unfolded is what ruffled my feathers. There was a lot of tension going into that tournament. Of course Luffy was going to most likely win, but it would have been fun seeing how. Everybody was excited to see what Diamante would do. Or how Luffy vs. Burgess would go. Or how Barto and Rebecca would handle themselves.. Then boop. In comes Sabo literally last minute to put a wrench in everything and render the entire 20 or so previous chapters moot.
At the end of the day, though, this is all a matter of opinion. Some people liked it, some don't. To me it just feels like Oda needed a quick exit to that whole side plot he'd built up and used Sabo as the key. But it's way too early to actually determine this yet; once the arc is fully over we can see if it did or didn't work.
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@Miss:
I can't speak for Darth - because I'm not an insane Akainu zealot - but personally, I feel Sabo hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him. I'm also still fairly bitter about how he completely deus ex machina'd that entire Colosseum/fruit side plot in the most nonchalant and anti-climactic way imaginable.
Mind you I actually really liked him as a kid and wanted to see him come back.. but not like this. So far he's like a noxious amalgamation of Ace and every other unwated shounen hero stereotype. I also feel he detracts from the tension that was there prior to his introduction.
I feel the same, more or less. It was too easy for him. He just breezed through every obstacle. Oda made a mistake there, as far as I'm concerned. There could have been a lot more tension in the Colliseum finale. I get that there was maybe a need to show how strong the second command of the Revolutionaries is compared to one of Blackbeard's or Dofla's officers, but it could have been done with less expense to the plot. Maybe show him actually engaged in a fight, and maybe not turn Burgess and Diamante into idiots and make them an actual threat. Rebecca and Barto were just stage props there.
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@Miss:
See, my problem isn't really with Sabo himself, but more with how and when he was introduced. I can understand why he'd be that strong; I have no problem with that part, it makes sense. But just the way it unfolded is what ruffled my feathers. There was a lot of tension going into that tournament. Of course Luffy was going to most likely win, but it would have been fun seeing how. Everybody was excited to see what Diamante would do. Or how Luffy vs. Burgess would go. Or how Barto and Rebecca would handle themselves.. Then boop. In comes Sabo literally last minute to put a wrench in everything and render the entire 20 or so previous chapters moot.
At the end of the day, though, this is all a matter of opinion. Some people liked it, some don't. To me it just feels like Oda needed a quick exit to that whole side plot he'd built up and used Sabo as the key. But it's way too early to actually determine this yet; once the arc is fully over we can see if it did or didn't work.
I quite like the colosseum bit from a storytelling perspective. Firstly, Oda obviously couldn't show off Burgess or Diamante's true fighting ability, since it's not their time yet. Diamante in particular since he's about to get his full fight soon, presumably. That's also why Luffy couldn't compete in the finals. It's not his time to fight Burgess, if he ever will, and same with Diamante. We just needed a little appetizer to see them fight, and it was cut short with Sabo doing what he did. So what's even the point of introducing Burgess if you're not going to have him fight? Firstly I'm almost positive his role in this arc isn't over, and secondly we were just told in FI by Jinbe that the BB Pirates have gone all out and are sort of hunting down DF users
So it was nice to see a clear example of that, with Burgess here for the fruit. One of the best parts of the BB Pirates (the original 5) is that, when they were introduced on Jaya, they were literally unknown people, despite being ridiculously strong. It was nice to see the audience and Gatz react with shock simply from Burgess being there, it was a clear example of the notoriety these guys have obtained now.
Another thing I like is that, I'm sure Burgess could have destroyed the arena himself, if he had thought of it. So it has less to do about Sabo's actual abilities, and more to do with him using his head, which I'm fine with. Having said all this, I can definitely see why lots of people would find it anticlimactic and dislike it. I just think that there was no way Luffy could have fought these guys yet, and neither he nor the villains could have gotten the fruit (what would he have done with it?). So I like the way it was handled, since Sabo clears up most of these issues. Also from what I saw, Sabo and Burgess were fairly evenly matched, since neither of them seemed to clearly get the upper hand (sabo just destroyed his armor). To me, Sabo destroying the arena implies that he didn't think he could beat Burgess, or there was a chance he may have lost, cause otherwise if Sabo's so powerful why not just stomp Burgess and Diamante proper in order to win the fruit? The arena thing makes a bit more sense if it was done out of necessity (to win by ring out instead of knock out).
I quite like Sabo's personality, and I find him far more similar to Luffy character-wise than I do Ace. There's even differences in their roles in the story, as Ace's initial role was very similar to Shanks. Someone Luffy looked up to, and was close to, but ultimately wanted to surpass. With Sabo there's no such tension, although I do quite understand the similarities with Ace with him holding off the marines like that. There were always going to be parallels between Ace and whoever ate the fruit, since the fruit was as much a part of him as anything.
Having said that as well, I'm in total opposition for Sabo to be shown defeating Fujitora. You're absolutely right that he hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him, which is why I don't buy into that hype at all. There is also a definite loss of tension, but if Fujitora defeats Sabo, all of these problems end up becoming positives. The tension comes back with a vengeance, Sabo's knocked down a few pegs, and Fujitora becomes the monster he was claimed to be. I'm so ready for that to happen, but most likely their fight will be interrupted.
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Having said that as well, I'm in total opposition for Sabo to be shown defeating Fujitora. You're absolutely right that he hasn't really done much to deserve all this hype and badassery about him, which is why I don't buy into that hype at all. There is also a definite loss of tension, but if Fujitora defeats Sabo, all of these problems end up becoming positives. The tension comes back with a vengeance, Sabo's knocked down a few pegs, and Fujitora becomes the monster he was claimed to be. I'm so ready for that to happen, but most likely their fight will be interrupted.
Now, see, that can't happen. That would bring tension and danger back into the arc, and we can't have that, we are in New World, dammit.
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Now, see, that can't happen. That would bring tension and danger back into the arc, and we can't have that, we are in New World, dammit.
I'm sure Ryokugyu will be a very dangerous future opponent :P
And I'm still hopeful Fujitora will redeem himself by arc's end. To me, the indications point toward that being the case. Then again I am optimistic by nature.
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I'm sure Ryokugyu will be a very dangerous future opponent :P
And I'm still hopeful Fujitora will redeem himself by arc's end. To me, the indications point toward that being the case. Then again I am optimistic by nature.
I'm the same to. Yes, One Piece is not perfect. If I wanted to I could go through the whole series up to this point and find things I don't like, though that would be hard for me because if I really like a series (JoJo, FMA, WGOK, Toriko), I can only focus on the things I really like. Ever since the time-skip happened, I have liked the overall story and arcs. None of them have been mind blowing, but I wasn't expecting it, especially right after Marineford. There has been nothing I can really complain about that makes me actively hate anything that's happened in the last few arcs. I think how I read things and my expectations going into these last few arcs have probably helped in that regard. The biggest sin any type of story can have is being boring, and the only Manga that has done that is Bleach. Once again, I'm not saying One Piece is perfect, but for a long story with such an expansive world, its done quite well and has kept me entertained and making me want more.
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Idea of sickness killing Laws family and most of people on his island makes sense.
But for Law to loose desire to live he must have seen his parents dying. Corazon probably saved not his life in medical way
so to say(as Law might have been unluckily for him immune to that sickness) but he saved him from becoming like
Doflamingo became after his destructive childhood.As for Corazon I think he was world known doctor as we seen most probably his symbol on Whitebeard meds around 500 chapters ago if I am not mistaken.
Doflamingo taking over his brothers business would make sense.A new thought, and more conclusive about the "white city" I bring you.
This little plate just makes us think of Punk Hazar, but the background does not make sense to the context that speaks Law.
So soon, we think Pink Dress, but it's not because of manufacturing Slimes are made in literally and figuratively underworld. Low the island.Then left the island of Kaidou, which is manufactured weapons that Koala and Sabo are looking for, but this conflicts with what I said, because we have evidence that Drake sailed to the New World, and there landed on the island Youkou. There apparently has nothing to do with Nortblue. But anyway that North Blue or GL is being.
You helped me create a more valid hypothesis, there where the city is in gerra from Gabul was (the fiho the granny) Pirate Schot makes the guard to Kaidou and also apart from being a city "Empty" in the sense of desolation wars and revolutions of this island.
In Case 689 the title even seems a foreshadowings "The island that does not seem to exist" An island full of winter season, snow white so much.Being snow this also explains why the White City. And the ending is Law appears to Doflamingo saying about this city means that Joker knew what Law spoke simply of the island territory of Kaidou. This explains the grenades. After all there may have been manufactured.
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but if Fujitora defeats Sabo, all of these problems end up becoming positives. The tension comes back with a vengeance, Sabo's knocked down a few pegs, and Fujitora becomes the monster he was claimed to be.
That would be great. Fuji seems to have barely exerted himself so far. When he finally loses his patience I think Sabo will be in trouble.
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I'm sure Ryokugyu will be a very dangerous future opponent :P
And I'm still hopeful Fujitora will redeem himself by arc's end. To me, the indications point toward that being the case. Then again I am optimistic by nature.
Gonna be honest, my reaction towards people saying that marines will do something or be relevante, is somewhat like this:
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My expectations remain at absolute zero.
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Hmm, that might be because you haven't read any of my posts for quite a while, and yet you still talking like you do.
If you did, you would know that my hatred for Sabo stems from the end of Coloseum, mostly, and that was before he even had any marines in sight.
And honestly? I dislike the fact that Revolutionaries thus far shown are more brawlers then thinkers. It makes me sad, to be honest. And disappointed.
I've read your posts these last few months and honestly you seem to jump around with the root cause of your hatred but with the underlying theme always seeming to be: "if he could be bought down a few pegs, while the VA's marines and lower could be bought up a few pegs, I'd be perfectly happy but only if those 2 exact things happened within a short period of each other. Yes I get you started complaining pretty much once he came back in the tournament but your reasons why have gone back and forth a lot even sometimes within 1 single chapter thread.
As for the underlined, I don't really see how the "end of the Colosseum" doesn't go more to show that the Revolutionaries are more, or at least Sabo, is more thinker than brawler. It seems he thought thru his actions a great deal and had a pretty sharp plan executed. Besides in a fight with multiple very strong opponents, Where you are actually "brawling", were you expecting a Revolutionary fighter, another like Rebecca?..
Did you seriously want another Rebecca's -style -fighter in a tournament already containing Rebecca?
Or were you expecting Sabo to get into a talk about politics, and belief systems, that magically talked Burgess and Diamante out of being contenders in the tournament?…
Did you maybe want him to stand around being a target that doesn't intelligently quickly eat the fruit?I mean it seems you got exactly what you want with him clearly using his intelligence primarily in a fight he promised to win, as well as in choosing to eat the fruit immediately, also in utilizing the skills/ abilities of those he wanted protect, + those that were 'allies'.
Chinjao going alone… Can't end well.
Or could end awesomely with him taking out an important player 1st, truly announcing beginning the counterattack.
Sabo isn't havini' it easy with Blinditora by the way.
Another Luffy's brother is gonna die facing an admiral:ninja:
Actually Ace didn't die facing an Admiral :wassat:
So Sabo'd still would be the 1st
While I do agree this arc has felt dangerless lately, I still get the vibe Doffy is very powerful. He seemed to have the upper hand when he fought Luffy for like three panels. When he finally does fight him, I'm sure Luffy will be in for a very tough fight.
Also man the string fruit is so useful it's like just make a string clone and send it for recon or infiltration, or just send it to school in my car so I can sit home and browse AP all day. Definitely one of the more unique fruits out there, though its somewhat vague in terms of the strings doing things that wouldn't be inherently obvious (Overheat being hot, or Marionette working at all)
Got the feeling it's actually limited just how far DD can use it and where, because so far we've been led to be shown he's only used it in this, or around this 1 tower while he was there. Would like to think he loses functionality at least somewhat, piece by piece, if he's stretching the distance too much. That might be just 1 of the reasons he didn't use it in the going against the SH's on the ship, and then Sanji and things might also be much easier to tell while in mid- air.
@Gia:
I put Enel there as a desire for another sense of adventure. Seriously, I want to find out about the moon.
And exactly, I can't wait for the stuff ahead. The only thing that has my concern is if it plays out with very little danger at all. The beginning of this arc, i was freaking out because you had Doflamingo and like 15 crew members, an Admiral and 2 vice-Admirals, and lastly CP-0 which I thought would've stuck around in this arc. The problem with the arc is that, yes, luffy has allies, but he has way too many of them. In the war, it was feasible because the Marines and Shichibukai were after him, here its just Dofla and one Admiral with a squad. Things hopefully will get more tense soon when Doflamingo stops being cocky.About the bold, every1 who has "disappeared" with little notice have usually reappeared with some key part to play, and given how CP0 was never seen distinctly leaving, basically just 'disappearing' I'd think they might be in for the same treatment, just much later, like after most of the events on Dressrosa have already unfolded. So maybe just expect them towards the tail end of the Dressrosa arc.
Doflamingo putting the real Mera Mera into the colosseum makes perfect sense to me with how he's been portrayed in the book.
In how he treats his crewmates, the way he kept the Heart seat open for Law, his giving a second chance to Bellamy and even down to the offers he made Crocodile at Marineford and Kyros during the Dressrosa invasion there's been an underlying fairness to how Doflamingo behaves. He may have given orders to kill Bellamy prematurely but Bellamy did disappoint him, he'd failed that test.
**_He's smirkingly villainous, cruel and arrogant but has also shown surprising faithfullness. Maybe it's sentimentality, maybe a sense of gamblers honour, but he said that the Mera Mera was the prize and perversely it suits him to keep his word.Even in this last episode where he maybe saved Luffy and Law from the bounty hunters it didn't violate his word. He said he would award a bounty to those who capture the stars, not that he wouldn't stop them if he felt like it._**
That's just it, it both suits him to keep his word, + seemingly also suits him not to keep his word, personality- wise. For instance from what I've seen a good deal of his "attacks" in battle seem like giant lures to his enemies to willingly walk into his setup/ traps, and even the whole idea of BirdCage, and the very structure of the tournament trap for Luffy, and even this most recent trap ^^ above mentioned thing with the Funks, is …
It seems to me to be indicative of DD's personality: that once you've fallen for his words/ traps/ bait/ w.e he almost takes a perverse joy in screwing you over even more to it's utmost, just because you might be what he considers stupid enough/ deserving because you fell for it, in the 1st place.
And that last sentence of your post ^^^ also works with the Mera Mera no mi, being the fake or real, as he said they would get the fruit if they could win the tournament, and eat the fruit, with the full intention of no 1 getting past many family members, + then Diamante alone, and even if they somehow got past they would have to "eat the (Real) fruit" to both truly win the tournament, and to 'truly' have 'won' the DF. -
Hmm, that might be because you haven't read any of my posts for quite a while, and yet you still talking like you do.
If you did, you would know that my hatred for Sabo stems from the end of Coloseum, mostly, and that was before he even had any marines in sight.
And honestly? I dislike the fact that Revolutionaries thus far shown are more brawlers then thinkers. It makes me sad, to be honest. And disappointed.
Didn't Sabo win the Mera Mera through strategy instead of direct brawl?
Also, I don't know how would anyone expect the Revolutionaries to be any sort of threat by not having the power to back it up. Considering that their goal is to overthrow the WG, how would they do that without eventually facing the Admirals and such?
Sorry Darth, you're usually smart and reasonable, but you sometimes end up trying too hard.
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Didn't Sabo win the Mera Mera through strategy instead of direct brawl?
Also, I don't know how would anyone expect the Revolutionaries to be any sort of threat by not having the power to back it up. Considering that their goal is to overthrow the WG, how would they do that without eventually facing the Admirals and such?
Sorry Darth, you're usually smart and reasonable, but you sometimes end up trying too hard.
Darth can't understand that Sabo won the Coliseum by outsmarting everyone instead of actually fighting them off. I remember we had the same discussion in that chapter's thread.
