About the timeskip, I don't see it happening. I think Luffy will be strong enough to fight admirals soon(no particular reason). As for Kaido, he might be defeated by a team like Oz was. This way Luffy can take down a Yonko without being officially Yonko level.
Chapter 751: "Sabo vs Admiral Fujitora"
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IAnd that was? 16 chars
The only ones that know what he said are the Red Hair Pirates, Sabo and the late Ace, we still have no clue what he said.
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The only ones that know what he said are the Red Hair Pirates, Sabo and the late Ace, we still have no clue what he said.
What are you talking about ? Seriously I have no idea.
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What are you talking about ? Seriously I have no idea.
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I haven't posted one of my reviews here for the longest time and thus have decided to do so again. So
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And yet you people argue that Sabo, who posseses only a third of his age, is on the same level.
So, what is the logic behind it?
Okay so, simple argument: everyone generally follows a growth curve which levels off as the age … generally takes a downward turn in the later years.
Everyone has a different growth curve depending on their own circumstances.
So Luffy is stronger than Arlong two years ago even though Arlong is way older and far more experienced.
So Sabo is around the same level as the Admirals, despite being much younger.
Why is this a difficult concept?
Oh my god… this is such wonderful example.
So, let me point to you all logical errors you've made in this very short sentence.
"We" is a big quantifier. And I mean really big. I can mean anything from "We as a human species", "We as One Piece readers", "We as participants of this forum", "We as participants of this thread" or "We as participants of this discussion". You should be more precise in your wording, because usualy in those cases the largest group sharing the subject is assumed. In this case, it would be One Piece readers. And, if any one among said group of One Piece readers doesn't share your opinion, then that sentence as a whole is logicaly untrue. That is the first point.
Next. "Luffy will reach that same level in an even younger age". First.
You cannot logicaly prove that Luffy will reach the same level, because: A) You do not posses knowledge of the future, nor do you have acces to Oda's notes, or his thoughts, therefore you are unable to undeniably prove that Luffy will reach that level in the future B) You posses no clear, measurable information about level of both Sabo and Luffy. That statement is an absolute, and as such it requires a unrefutable proof. You would need to change "will" to "may", for this statement to be even considered. As well as drop the whole level thing. Level is measurable, but we have no ways to measure it. If you cannot give us solid data, we cannot consider that statement true on logical level.
Second, neither do you posses knowledge if that theoretical event will happen and if it happens, neither do you know when. Unless, again, you can provide unrefutable proof of this event being planned in advance, you cannot make absolute statement like that. And even if you possesed said proof, that statement is still unlogical, because you cannot guarantee the artist, in this case Oda, won't change his mind, and therefore make your statement logicaly untrue again.
And that was your lesson for today kids. Do not use words like "logic" lightly. None of you, including me, is using logical arguments here, so leave it alone, will ya?
Classic example of "I am going to take your words as meaning something other than what I know you actually mean by them so I can be a dick about it."
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I liked the way that the chapter ended, I was getting pretty tired of how everyone from the colosseum suddenly banded together with Luffy against Doflamingo. I mean, it's freaking Doflamingo… Most of these guys don't stand a chance against the executives & were really despicable during the fights, so to suddenly become righteous fighters was way out of whack. I suspect this is just a clone of Doflamingo & Luffy will be able to deal with him, it's too soon to have the final battle & if he can't beat a clone... No chance with the real deal.
Sabo mentioning how he's still dodging from reflex was good to see, hopefully he doesn't get overconfident with time, but he doesn't seem the type. His Talon attack was very impressive even though the Sharkcutter wasn't Haki imbued. I'd like to see the limits of it's crushing power.
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Okay so, simple argument: everyone generally follows a growth curve which levels off as the age … generally takes a downward turn in the later years.
Everyone has a different growth curve depending on their own circumstances.
So Luffy is stronger than Arlong two years ago even though Arlong is way older and far more experienced.
So Sabo is around the same level as the Admirals, despite being much younger.
Why is this a difficult concept?
Crocodile would also work in this case. His whole point to Luffy was that he had more experience than him. Before Luffy kicked his ass, of course.
Also, it's hard to measure growth based on relative ranking. Like, Bastille and Maynard got trounced, but would Onigumo or Doberman? They're all VA's, but there's a clear power difference. It's just hard to talk about Sabo's power cause we don't have any concrete facts besides it seems he's matched with Burgess.
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Shonen science isn't a exact science.
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Sabo makes me wonder what Dragon is going to be like… Who is gonna compete with him besides Yonkou and maybe Admirals (yes, plural - I don't see any admiral taking him on by himself, not for more than just buying time or something like that. Unless Green Bull is like a semi god.)
Otherwise, looking forward to the Funk Brothers receiving their well deserved beating for betraying the collosseum group. And the actual 1v1 between Luffy and Dofla.
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Sabo makes me wonder what Dragon is going to be like… Who is gonna compete with him besides Yonkou and maybe Admirals (yes, plural - I don't see any admiral taking him on by himself, not for more than just buying time or something like that. Unless Green Bull is like a semi god.)
Otherwise, looking forward to Jeet & Abdullah receiving their well deserved beating for betraying the collosseum group. And the actual 1v1 between Luffy and Dofla.
don't you mean kelly and bobby funk?
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Sabo makes me wonder what Dragon is going to be like… Who is gonna compete with him besides Yonkou and maybe Admirals (yes, plural - I don't see any admiral taking him on by himself, not for more than just buying time or something like that. Unless Green Bull is like a semi god.)
Otherwise, looking forward to Jeet & Abdullah receiving their well deserved beating for betraying the collosseum group. And the actual 1v1 between Luffy and Dofla.
It kelly and bobby punk but anyway they did help luffy get to short cut 1v1 with DD :D
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It kelly and bobby punk but anyway they did help luffy get to short cut 1v1 with DD :D
what is strange is that Luffy is usually the person to chase the antagonist. Yes, Luffy did do that with Doflamingo, but now Doflamingo is on the chase. I know this probably doesn't change anything, but its like Doflamingo wants to fight Luffy. The other antagonist has defeated Luffy and ran off to do their own thing. This may be a change of upcoming events soon.
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someone else somewhere pointed out that doffla isnt wearing earings, and that the person in the well might actually be cora. did the doffla string puppet have earings?
law must have coras. dd said it was a ''misunderstanding''
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someone else somewhere pointed out that doffla isnt wearing earings, and that the person in the well might actually be cora. did the doffla string puppet have earings?
law must have coras. dd said it was a ''misunderstanding''
I'm looking back toward the chapters, and Doffy and his string clone do indeed have earrings, but from what I can tell only in their left ears. The shadow we see in the well, we can only see his right ear. Given the way it's framed, it could be Corazon clone since all we can see is his mouth, nose, and face, but who knows? Hopefully we'll find out on Tuesday/Wednesday.
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About the timeskip, I don't see it happening. I think Luffy will be strong enough to fight admirals soon(no particular reason). As for Kaido, he might be defeated by a team like Oz was. This way Luffy can take down a Yonko without being officially Yonko level.
It would be quite awesome sight to see team of Supernovas taking down Yonko:happy:
But for teamwork to well.. work they would have to cooperate and imagine Apoo and Kidd in a team lol
Or maybe they will grow some respect for each other with stuff that will soon start to happen? Would be cool yet Kidd is beyond redemption for me as he was shown to murder people begging him for life.
Law might have been said to be cruel but he isnt murderer like Kidd. -
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someone else somewhere pointed out that doffla isnt wearing earings, and that the person in the well might actually be cora. did the doffla string puppet have earings?
law must have coras. dd said it was a ''misunderstanding''
The earring is probably in the shadow. Or Oda forgot to draw it.
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Anyone discussed the water Luffy has been standing on? Umm… A rescue arc for Luffy? :P ODAAA :(
Does anyone remember if did Garp & Sengoku Vs Shiki's duel last a week or not? I'm a little bit hazy on the details and I wouldn't like to trust a scanlation that I'm able to read now.
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Sabo makes me wonder what Dragon is going to be like… Who is gonna compete with him besides Yonkou and maybe Admirals (yes, plural - I don't see any admiral taking him on by himself, not for more than just buying time or something like that. Unless Green Bull is like a semi god.)
Well as Dragon is Uranus, he probably would have some insane powers, so it make sense that it would take an overwhelming force to stop him directly.
But he's just one guy.
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Sabo makes me wonder what Dragon is going to be like… Who is gonna compete with him besides Yonkou and maybe Admirals (yes, plural - I don't see any admiral taking him on by himself, not for more than just buying time or something like that. Unless Green Bull is like a semi god.)
Otherwise, looking forward to the Funk Brothers receiving their well deserved beating for betraying the collosseum group. And the actual 1v1 between Luffy and Dofla.
You're overestimating Dragon.
Dragon's probably on a Yonkou level but Admirals can take on Yonkou's. It's just that they would most likely loose.
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So much hype for characters that haven't even been shown properly yet.
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Shut your rotten navy mouth.
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Sorry, but I can't see your images. Do you have an other link ?
You can't that's weird, anyways here's the numbers Ch.506 Pg. 17 and Ch. 585 Pg. 13 - 14,
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You're overestimating Dragon.
Dragon's probably on a Yonkou level but Admirals can take on Yonkou's. It's just that they would most likely loose.
But you never know until you try it, right?Well maybe it's been too long that I saw an Admiral going all out, maybe Sabo is just depicted as too strong (probably lol), but in terms of power he was clearly stated to be Nr. 2 and I don't see him having any trouble with Fuji so far (Who's not even doing anything but spamming meteors at this point). We'll see how their fight pans out, but I guess it will be interrupted at some point before either side can put their all into it. I also think the whole power level discussion will be redefined once we see a Yonkou who isn't handicapped by age or missing limbs go all out. Then there's also the Green Bull reveal at some point… still quite possible that the Admirals and their powers will synergize together very well when all thrown into the pit. Given they are able to work out their ideological differences.
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but now that you mention it, i guess for oda to hide luffys goal could be simmilar to punk hazard, where they talked about which of the four yonkos they're targeting
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You can't that's weird, anyways here's the numbers Ch.506 Pg. 17 and Ch. 585 Pg. 13 - 14,
Hum..in chapter 585 I always assumed that he said "I'm going to be the freeKing of pirates!", leaving Ace and Sabo speechless before this awesome joke. But as you suggest, it might have a deeper meaning.
As he said in chapter 507, Luffy thinks that the Pirate King is also the person with the most freedom. Seems like something Roger could say.
Since he was the only child in Fuschia, he could have asked to have more friend than anyone else. But it seems too childish for Roger.
By the way, are we even sure that Shanks was talking about what Luffy said to Ace and Sabo ? Or is it your own assumption ?Anyhow, I know one thing for sure. Luffy didn't ask to marry the most beautiful woman on earth back then.
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I have seen in this forum predicted that Corazon is Doflamingo's twin brother. What if Corazon never existed but was actually a puppet used to trick Law and others for some reason…like perhaps recruitment for Law's fruit? Not that it is likely but it would be twisted.
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It's not a bad theory but it implies that a string clone had the heart seat.
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I have seen in this forum predicted that Corazon is Doflamingo's twin brother. What if Corazon never existed but was actually a puppet used to trick Law and others for some reason…like perhaps recruitment for Law's fruit? Not that it is likely but it would be twisted.
I hope Doflamingo can make puppet(s) only of himself. As much as i adore him, this would be too much.
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Hum..in chapter 585 I always assumed that he said "I'm going to be the freeKing of pirates!", leaving Ace and Sabo speechless before this awesome joke. But as you suggest, it might have a deeper meaning.
As he said in chapter 507, Luffy thinks that the Pirate King is also the person with the most freedom. Seems like something Roger could say.
Since he was the only child in Fuschia, he could have asked to have more friend than anyone else. But it seems too childish for Roger.
By the way, are we even sure that Shanks was talking about what Luffy said to Ace and Sabo ? Or is it your own assumption ?Anyhow, I know one thing for sure. Luffy didn't ask to marry the most beautiful woman on earth back then.
No we're not, is just my own assumption since I don't believe that Shanks/Rayleigh will take that liking to Luffy just because he said his one liner
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You do realize that Fujitora has been a focus of many chapters and pages up until this point, but still fails to do anything relevant to the plot?
So that he doesn't have to appear for the next couple of years. Instead of showing your bias, you should actually use your brain to think about the logical reason for Oda's depiction of him.
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I thought it was a chapter not sure what's up with the Sabo hate, I mean he is a bit overpowered and a bit of a douche who came from nowhere but why not that much hate for Fuji who wasn't even a marine two years ago now he's Admiral? At least I know who side Sabo is on. Right now Fuji's on Doflo's side who is trying to kill an entire island of people So I'm hoping Sabo kicks his ass. Also happy someone betrayed Luffy wish more would have went for the money like the exploding punch dude instead of someone who got beat with one shot in a one on one fight. Also it is like Alabasta where luffy fight the main villain more than once but it's hard to name the arcs where he doesn't fight the villain more than once.
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Crocodile would also work in this case. His whole point to Luffy was that he had more experience than him. Before Luffy kicked his ass, of course.
Also, it's hard to measure growth based on relative ranking. Like, Bastille and Maynard got trounced, but would Onigumo or Doberman? They're all VA's, but there's a clear power difference. It's just hard to talk about Sabo's power cause we don't have any concrete facts besides it seems he's matched with Burgess.
You say that a lot, but we don't see it. Burgess won't stand a chance against Fuji, while Sabo certainly can for a limited amount of time:ninja:
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Calling it now: for each level there is a Doula string clone. The more they advance in levels, the stronger the clone is they have to beat.
Could be fun, I guess.
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People are being very definite about who is stronger than who in this arc but everyone seems to be forgetting Oda has not shown us yet.
We can only make guesses Don Chin Jao is somewhat in Garp's league, having fought him and lost badly in the past.Luffy beat him during the tournament and Cavendish stood against him in a face off before the match.
Cavendish as Hekuba is maybe twice as strong but sacrifices other attributes, rather like Kuro's big move.Burgess beat his tournament division easily. None of them stood out enough to be named. He had problems with Sabo though.
Sabo didn't fight in the tournament, though he has impressive haki moves and just received a massive power up. He is far from mastering it though.
Elizabello's big move can maybe knock out a Yonkou, but has serious restrictions. He did, however, damage Pica significantly with a lesser move.
Fujitora is an admiral and has a powerful DF. However when he was drafted we don't know why he was retired before or how long he's had his DF. His big move of summoning meteorites has just been shown negated and we don't know how his power works to see what he's got in reserve. Being blind isn't slowing him down so we can guess he's a CoO specialist.
Pica is a monster and a swordsman. So is Zoro.
Trebol and Diamante are the other big guns in the Dofla Family. But we don't know much about any weaknesses in their fighting styles or DF.
In the rest of the Family, Baby 5 and Buffallo struggled against Franky, but Machvise and Senor Pink together took him down. Lao G had little problems against the Tontatta and toyified Kyros. Dellinger struggled against Barto. Gladius hasn't fought.
Kyros was an impressive gladiator years before and now freed from Toy Soldier form has presumably recovered a lot of strength. But one leg is a serious handicap.
Dofla is Dofla. Maybe two Dofla. That's scary but Luffy has beaten two Shikibukei and Law was able to hold both him and Fuji off for a while, before he was beaten and shackled.
Those are the strongest fighters around. Being an admiral or a Shikibukei carries weight but until we see it on the page how they will actually fare.
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Trebol and Diamante are the other big guns in the Dofla Family. But we don't know much about any weaknesses in their fighting styles or DF.
I would like to see Kanjuro fight Trebol, trebol might be holding his friend hostage. He seems to be interested in the samurais thus ordered that fat art lady to capture momo. Trebol said his ability was flammable and Kanjuro has a flamed sword. And Trebol is covered in his slime. But Kanjuro doesn't seem like the person to be able to take on a executive. Maybe during his fight he gets exhausted and somehow freed his friend and they both tag-team with an all mighty flame attack.
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You say that a lot, but we don't see it. Burgess won't stand a chance against Fuji, while Sabo certainly can for a limited amount of time:ninja:
Current Sabo would crumpstomp Burgess, even faster than pre-mira :ninja:Really? I think that kind of thinking is what brought us all into this problem in the first place.
One Piece doesn't work that way. It's meaningless to try and speculate on character's power levels. We haven't seen enough of it to determine these things.
Fact of the matter is all of our speculation is worthless. We can't make predictions of who's stronger than who, based on things we haven't seen. The reason I kept saying Burgess and Sabo were evenly matched, is because during their fight I felt as if neither of them really had the upper hand on the other. If Sabo could indeed curbstomp Burgess, why didn't he do it during the tournament? Why did he have to resort to basically absconding with the fruit, by destroying the arena and winning by Ring Out?
And now you're saying Sabo can go against Fuji for a limited amount of time, but this is a fallacy. It could very well be true, and I believe it myself, but we've only seen one panel of Sabo actually fighting with Fujitora.
Basically, don't make assumptions about power and who could curbstomp who if we haven't seen it yet. I haveno problems with Sabo as a character, or his inclusion in this story. Contrary, I love him. But all I'm using is what I've seen from the story so far, which is very little. I could be totally wrong, but I won't make assumptions.
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I would like to see Kanjuro fight Trebol, trebol might be holding his friend hostage. He seems to be interested in the samurais thus ordered that fat art lady to capture momo. Trebol said his ability was flammable and Kanjuro has a flamed sword. And Trebol is covered in his slime. But Kanjuro doesn't seem like the person to be able to take on a executive. Maybe during his fight he gets exhausted and somehow freed his friend and they both tag-team with an all mighty flame attack.
How did you know this?
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I would like to see Kanjuro fight Trebol, trebol might be holding his friend hostage. He seems to be interested in the samurais thus ordered that fat art lady to capture momo. Trebol said his ability was flammable and Kanjuro has a flamed sword. And Trebol is covered in his slime. But Kanjuro doesn't seem like the person to be able to take on a executive. Maybe during his fight he gets exhausted and somehow freed his friend and they both tag-team with an all mighty flame attack.
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I think you mean Kinemon and his ability to cut flame? We haven't seen Kanjuuro yet. It could happen.
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Really? I think that kind of thinking is what brought us all into this problem in the first place.
One Piece doesn't work that way. It's meaningless to try and speculate on character's power levels. We haven't seen enough of it to determine these things.
Fact of the matter is all of our speculation is worthless. We can't make predictions of who's stronger than who, based on things we haven't seen. The reason I kept saying Burgess and Sabo were evenly matched, is because during their fight I felt as if neither of them really had the upper hand on the other. If Sabo could indeed curbstomp Burgess, why didn't he do it during the tournament? Why did he have to resort to basically absconding with the fruit, by destroying the arena and winning by Ring Out?
And now you're saying Sabo can go against Fuji for a limited amount of time, but this is a fallacy. It could very well be true, and I believe it myself, but we've only seen one panel of Sabo actually fighting with Fujitora.
Basically, don't make assumptions about power and who could curbstomp who if we haven't seen it yet. I haveno problems with Sabo as a character, or his inclusion in this story. Contrary, I love him. But all I'm using is what I've seen from the story so far, which is very little. I could be totally wrong, but I won't make assumptions.
neither of them really had the upper hand: Sabo did. Both Burg and Dia attacked him+ the fish and he evaded/retaliated with a relative ease.
destroying the arena and winning by Ring Out?: That's called using the brain and Luffy is not too good at it.
Also about Mihawk, it's about his skills and techs as a swordsman, he stands above all other swordsmen in that regard. Haki/raw power not the 'greatest'.
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So that he doesn't have to appear for the next couple of years. Instead of showing your bias, you should actually use your brain to think about the logical reason for Oda's depiction of him.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
If we are talking about logic, classical logic, then there is none. It's as simple as that. There exists no logical reason for Fujitora to be portrayed as he was.
Even more so, his actions and stated goals are at odds with each other. And yet you act as if Fuji's portrayl this arc was absolutly perfect.
It is not. It's probably the biggest flaw of this arc, along with Burgess being sidelined as he was.
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neither of them really had the upper hand: Sabo did. Both Burg and Dia attacked him+ the fish and he evaded/retaliated with a relative ease.
destroying the arena and winning by Ring Out?: That's called using the brain and Luffy is not too good at it.
Also about Mihawk, it's about his skills and techs as a swordsman, he stands above all other swordsmen in that regard. Haki/raw power not the 'greatest'.
yep pretty much speculations and baseless stuff that actually makes sense to meI'll concede to you about the ring, since I believe Burgess could have pulled it off, too, if he was smart enough to think of doing it like you said.
But man, I think your reasoning is bent. I saw Sabo attack Burgess, and yeah his armor got destroyed, but I didn't see any damage on Burgess. He just looked agitated. Either way, this leads me back to my original point, which is why I deleted all of my Mihawk arguments.
I don't have a problem with Sabo being strong. I don't have a problem with him being able to stall Fujitora. What I have a problem with is speculating on who's stronger than who based on things we haven't seen yet! You said that Burgess would've lost easily to Sabo, even without the Mera Mera no Mi. But this is honestly a baseless argument, we didn't see enough of their fight to get a good sense of one easily beating the other. All we saw them do is trade a few blows, hardly conclusive. If Sabo hadn't destroyed the ring, and had fought Burgess to the end, maybe he would have beaten him. But we didn't see that through, so who can say?
I don't have a problem with you saying Sabo can beat Burgess. I have a problem with you saying Sabo can curbstomp Burgess. And I still stick by what I said. For the very little bit that we did see, Sabo and Burgess were pretty evenly matched.
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I'll concede to you about the ring, since I believe Burgess could have pulled it off, too, if he was smart enough to think of doing it like you said.
But man, I think your reasoning is bent. I saw Sabo attack Burgess, and yeah his armor got destroyed, but I didn't see any damage on Burgess. He just looked agitated. Either way, this leads me back to my original point, which is why I deleted all of my Mihawk arguments.
I don't have a problem with Sabo being strong. I don't have a problem with him being able to stall Fujitora. What I have a problem with is speculating on who's stronger than who based on things we haven't seen yet! You said that Burgess would've lost easily to Sabo, even without the Mera Mera no Mi. But this is honestly a baseless argument, we didn't see enough of their fight to get a good sense of one easily beating the other. All we saw them do is trade a few blows, hardly conclusive. If Sabo hadn't destroyed the ring, and had fought Burgess to the end, maybe he would have beaten him. But we didn't see that through, so who can say?
I don't have a problem with you saying Sabo can beat Burgess. I have a problem with you saying Sabo can curbstomp Burgess. And I still stick by what I said. For the very little bit that we did see, Sabo and Burgess were pretty evenly matched.
But… but Sabo must be strong enoug to defeat anyone except maybe Yonkou, right? Right?
Yeah, pretty much agreed on what you said, but I still think that storytelling wise Burgess was really screwed on that tournament.
Still rooting for Fujitora to beat Sabo though. Let's derail the hype train.
Man, if that happens, I will forgive Oda everything he did to marines those last hundred chapters. If only because it would allow me to gloat.
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But… but Sabo must be strong enoug to defeat anyone except maybe Yonkou, right? Right?
Yeah, pretty much agreed on what you said, but I still think that storytelling wise Burgess was really screwed on that tournament.
Still rooting for Fujitora to beat Sabo though. Let's derail the hype train.
Man, if that happens, I will forgive Oda everything he did to marines those last hundred chapters. If only because it would allow me to gloat.
Agreed. I never expected Sabo to be able to win against Fujitora, only stall him, which is why I was (am) sure the fight'll get interrupted. Fuji's only been with the Marines for 2 years and he's already an admiral, whereas Kuzan and Sakazuki were with the Marines for at least 20 or more, so I think people are seriously underestimating Fuji here. What did Sakazuki even make him admiral for, his amazing awareness of his surroundings, or maybe his gambling skills to get the Marines some more funding?
Everyone expects Sabo to be ridiculously strong just because he's the second in command of the revolutionaries. But time and time again we've seen second in commands who weren't as strong as the boss. Some of them even had a noticeable gap. Buggy, Kuro, Don Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Hody Jones, all of them were noticeably stronger than the next guy in line in their group. Which is why Luffy had to take them down, no one else could have done it. Hell even the gap between Lucci and Kaku was huge, Lucci almost had double Kaku's Doriki! (4000 vs 2200)
I mean I still like Sabo a lot, and I definitely believe he's very strong (probably stronger than Luffy), but part of that comes from me having realistic expectations out of him based on what I've seen. I mean hell Ace was the second division commander of the WB pirates and there was definitely a gap between him and his old man.
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One thing that should be at least small indication of Fujitora's strenght.
He fought powerful opponents, if for a short amount of time, through this entire arc.
Has yet to use a named attack.
We shall see… But I don't think a man like Sakazuki would appoint him to be an Admiral just because he needed to have the symbolic three. I think that if Fuji wasn't strong enough, he would not have been promoted.
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We shall see… But I don't think a man like Sakazuki would appoint him to be an Admiral just because he needed to have the symbolic three. I think that if Fuji wasn't strong enough, he would not have been promoted.
Totally agreed. Why would an absolute justice man like Sakazuki appoint a blind newcomer to be an Admiral if it wasn't for his strength? If anyone I'd think he'd promote Onigumo to be a new Admiral cause they share the same views, and Onigumo's pretty powerful. I mean "Black Spider" Kurokumo doesn't sound as cool as Fujitora, but still.
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Totally agreed. Why would an absolute justice man like Sakazuki appoint a blind newcomer to be an Admiral if it wasn't for his strength? If anyone I'd think he'd promote Onigumo to be a new Admiral cause they share the same views, and Onigumo's pretty powerful. I mean "Black Spider" Kurokumo doesn't sound as cool as Fujitora, but still.
The animalnames the admirals have are based on some story (which I happen to not be too familiar with), and I am not sure if there is any spider in that story :p