Is it ever stated when the schischibukai are started, maybe it was an idea of doflamingo to start with.
Hancock became shichibukai when she was 18 after a single campaign as the captain of the Kuja pirates, so 13 years ago, 3 years before Dofla.
Is it ever stated when the schischibukai are started, maybe it was an idea of doflamingo to start with.
Hancock became shichibukai when she was 18 after a single campaign as the captain of the Kuja pirates, so 13 years ago, 3 years before Dofla.
What a good chapter, especially the Family's reunion .
I'm not going to get drawn into an annoying and tedious argument with you and I don't care how people judge fuji's actions and options, the only thing that I had to comment on was the "admirals shouldn't be afraid of the WG" (your words) because of how utter horseshit that statement is
Dude, chill out. If you don't want to you don't have to.
And there is a difrence between "shoulden't" and "aren't"
I said shuolden't, and because they are than that makes them a joke.
What a fun chapter. I can only imagine Pica having a voice like Android #19. It's also nice that we're at the point where Oda could switch to any character on Dressrosa and it will be interesting and there's so many to follow as well. Hopefully next week we get some Kinemon and Sabo
Also my favourite part was secret agent Koala taking pictures with her den den mushi spy camera!
I wonder if those words are more clear or as ambiguous in the original version. I'd lean towards the latter, making it sound like there's more to Fuji's words, but it wouldn't hurt to have the blue one or triple C comment on the matter.
What I read Pica saying is "Hey Burgess, I'm over here come kick my ass".
It doesn't take long before you guys come out with ridiculous stuff on who can beat who. Burgess and an Admiral…...... don't make me laugh.
Yonkou commander
He could potentially be quite strong(see marco, jozu, vista etc) but given the ease with which sabo dealt with him maybe not
Maynard mentioned that Marines should attack to Doflamingo too. So Fujitora already knows what majority wants. But he has something in his mind. Confusing translation there.
Zoro's kick was the best thing of the episode. Laughed so hard.
And about MihawkxPerona;
Hello, by the way. I'm the new kid around.
BTW, isn't this the first time we really saw Baby5's Machinegun Leg in the actual manga? Oda used it in volume 70's cover, but there was actually no such action in the manga. . .till now.
Curious little detail, nontheless.
And the first pannels of Pica giant golem form are incredibly reminiscent of Inception's Paris dream scene.
I wonder if those words are more clear or as ambiguous in the original version. I'd lean towards the latter, making it sound like there's more to Fuji's words, but it wouldn't hurt to have the blue one or triple C comment on the matter.
His direct translation, though I'm sure you've already seen it, doesn't shed much light:
"They are not sad, they are enraged. The World Government are not gods, and you will follow my orders."
And his take on the matter from the spoiler section:
"Honestly my impression from the chapter was that Fujitora wants the people to decide they don't want Dofla as their king, instead of him making that decision for them."
I think it's safe to assume that, right now, everything is up to interpretations and debate.
This Fujitora guy has, in fact, been throwing vague lines all the time.
fugitora just attacked luffy's group as he said he would last chapter = SHOCKER
sabo just disappeared and went somewhere = SHOCKER … who read last chapter thread will relate
anyways an awesome chapter as always , it's going down sooner than i had expected
but i don't believe the reason after this is that oda wants to end the arc early , no i think he has a lot more in his mind for this arc
so he's speeding up a bit i still think this arc will go over 60 chapters somehow
as for the fugitora complexity , i can understand what he's going on in this chapter
he feels sympathy for the ppl of dressrosa and blames the WG and marines for ignoring them , that i can get
what i don't get is that he could end all this chaos if he went after doflamingo "and beat him" !!
why feel obligated to still follow the marines orders to capture law and luffy "who did nothing wrong to the ppl"
and just wait on DD who is hurting ppl and even attacking marines directly !! why wait for the reverie conference to take him down?
i still hope and believe he has reasons for this probably related to the "shichibukai removal" ambition of his
Yonkou commander He could potentially be quite strong(see marco, jozu, vista etc) but given the ease with which sabo dealt with him maybe not
Sabo never even scratched Burgess.
At the cost of innocent's life? That is Akainu's domain.
That is why it seems weird to us that Fuji is acting uncharateristics, it dosen't add up with what he said befor.
His behaviour might seem uncharacteristic, but his motivation is probably the same, save lives.
He seemed to be quite conflicted by the decision, but he's pragmatic to know that capturing doflamingo achieves nothing long term
Akainu is all about extreme justice, following orders and killing
Good chapter - lots going on and a good mix of story progression, comedy and action. Favourite moments: Doflamingo reuniting the family - he really is one of the most complex and interesting character's Oda has created. Law threatening Luffy got a laugh - as did Zoro redirecting Dellinger's kick.
With Fuji, I think it's still too early to draw any conclusions about the game he's playing. There are still too many unknowns. I'm keeping faith with the big guy though - I'm sure he'll turn out OK by the end of the arc.
I didn't count any of the Marines except for CP9, who at first aren't shown to have that much respect for each other.
It isn't just a matter of loyalty, it's the Captain being nakama with the crew just as luffy does.
Foxy's crew are there because they lost a bet. Crocodile regarded everyone as a tool.
Arlong and Hody, Moriah and Buggy never show that loyalty, they seem likely to disown a crewmate if they're in the wrong mood.
Krieg, Eneru & Kuro actively slaughter their own men.Dofla is the first Captain to express sorrow at a teammate's sacrifice and go out of his way to save one.
And interestingly many of those crews are shown far closer with each other only after they were veaten by the Straw Hats.
Foxy treated every of them as nakama, why do you think they all loved him? Why do you think he even chose Chopper for that Girl in his crew?
Certainly you forgot about Arlong being mad pissed when Zoro cut some of his men(and all the other times). And you forgot about when Arlong was mad pissed, but his own fodder men, grabbed him and stopped him. Do you let he considered them less than family if he let them do something like that?
Hody, do you forgot Hody backstory with his top crew? For anything for him they are more family than what Luffy thinks of the Strawhat. They were together since infancy, they played, they heard stories about humans together, they grew together hating humans and they planned everything to try to destroy all the humans in Fishmen Island. In their relationship there was everything but respect and loyalty.
Moriah, do you forgot that he let Absalom try to Marry Nami, Perona, with their teddies, and Hoghback with his experimentations? Why do you think that when he was totally defeated, Absalom and Hoghback took him? Well, Perona tried to betray him, but after she got sent to Mihawk island who was she asking for? And when she heard about the news of his demise wasn't she totally worried.
Buggy, you certainly didn't read the cover pages of Buggy right? And when he went to Impel Down you didn't saw how they reacted, even though they at the end decided to not go rescue him. And you forgot about Mr. 3 that is right now one member of his crew and is his biggest friend.
Krieg didn't slaughtered his men. Why were they still following him happily if he had done that? he just killed the Riot inciters and the ones that were discrediting his authority. It was in reality only 2 of them. Gin was "fired" from his crew!
Eneru didn't really cared about anybody. Everybody that followed him and was able to survive was fine. He accepted Nami and would even accept Wyper or Gan Fall if they followed him. So, yep he had no loyalty to anybody, but I don't remember him slaughtering his men, unless you're including previous servants of Gan Fall to the equations. (Note: He accidentally killed his men when he attacked Kamakiri).
Kuro, yes. He hated his men, because he hated being a pirate.
Sabo never even scratched Burgess.
Never really attacked him. Blocked an attack destroying his armour, and used burgess to achieve his goal ofgetting the mera mera no mi
1.) it doesn't make any sense to not unlock law when you have the key, stupid
2.) Pica makes the other two looks pretty weak
3.) Admiral already eh? Sabo's the only one who can match him.
4.) let's get ready to rummmmmbbblleeeeeee
Hody, do you forgot Hody backstory with his top crew?
Well I must've, because I always though a point of contrast between Arlong's racism and Hody's racism was that at the very least, Arlong cared for his crew (getting mad/upset/sorrowful when Luffy used one as a shield and Zoro cut up hordes)….while Hody, at the peak of his overzealous hatred plan, didn't care for any of them. He was blinded by his racism.
scratches head Guess I'll go reread FI.
I must say I'm quite disappointed in redon. The past two spoilers, he made the chapters seem a lot worse than they actually were. This was a damn good chapter.
Shouldn't you blame yourself for being disappointed and not the guy who never fails to provide for us our much needed spoilers every week? Nobody should even judge the chapter based on a 4 to 5-sentence summary, and redon doesn't even write those summaries himself as he sources them from somewhere else.
Sabo never even scratched Burgess.
Sabo was toying with Burgess the whole time. He'd maul him if he really wanted to.
Glad to see my dude Señor Pink back in action this chapter.
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At the cost of innocent's life? That is Akainu's domain.
That is why it seems weird to us that Fuji is acting uncharateristics, it dosen't add up with what he said befor.
What he said before?
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Wait? What will happen to Mihawk if the Shichikubai system is abolished? What the heck is he anyways? On the wiki it says he is pirate??? Makes no sense. I don't see any sign of that on his ship. Also, Fuji's decisions are actually confusing. He lets doffy go and goes after Law. After that he goes after straw-hats and NOW he goes for doffy. Is he waiting for doffy to do his worst? It seems like it to me.
He is only going after Law and Luffy, because they made an alliance, making them both wanted pirates.
What he said before?
The whole deal with the number of people they need to protect.
And if someone says he said it "just because he knew that there are going to be injuries" and he is not going all out to prevent it than that is your idia, for myself i will remain in the position that Fuji is acting stupid, and will remain with that position until Oda will prove me wrong.
It's hard to laugh since we can't hear Pica's voice.
I keep picturing him with the voice of a certain pirate lord from Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End=
Well I must've, because I always though a point of contrast between Arlong's racism and Hody's racism was that at the very least, Arlong cared for his crew (getting mad/upset/sorrowful when Luffy used one as a shield and Zoro cut up hordes)….while Hody, at the peak of his overzealous hatred plan, didn't care for any of them. He was blinded by his racism.
scratches head Guess I'll go reread FI.
He didn't cared about the fodder, as I said in my first post about this. Nor he cared about the people in Fishmen Island, what he cared was only that little group of fishmen that were his "executive", just like Dofla. People are saying that dofla is so good because he cares about the executives, but than what about the rest of his crew? About Bellamy, about the guy that laughed and got shot and thrown into a huge fall? Hody is exactly like that.
they touched tips AGAIN i guess i was right , what a wonderful day this is lol
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I must say I'm quite disappointed in redon. The past two spoilers**, he made the chapters seem a lot worse than they actually were.** This was a damn good chapter.
How did Redon to that? What makes you think he made the chapters look worse than they actually were?
Did he not give enough info to make it "look cool"? I've heard people that before, so if that is the case, then I'll same as to those. If its nott he case, then explain why you think this.
Redon doesn't have to tell us anything, there is no contract that says Redon has to give every detail in his spoiler.
That is what Redon does, gives spoilers, not translations of the chapter.
And a spoiler is not a synopsis of the chapter.
CCC used to give translations for us at AP until his job came up with issues with people giving translations on the side. CCC wants to keep his job so he stopped providing us with translations.
I am seriously reading Pica's lines while imagining he has the voice of Alpha the Dog from the movie Up.
I hope he gets a voice like that in the anime or a bubbly high pitched girl voice.
The whole deal with the number of people they need to protect.
And if someone says he said it "just because he knew that there are going to be injuries" and he is not going all out to prevent it than that is your idia, for myself i will remain in the position that Fuji is acting stupid, and will remain with that position until Oda will prove me wrong.
because a general in a coming conflict asks about how many people there are, right? And than they go forward to forget all about measures to ensure that all this people is safe, right?
Ask yourself? What was the importance of knowing how many people was in the island, without evacuating them to a safe place, to an Admiral? The only think that I can think of his knowing in the end, the exact number of casualties. Or are you saying that knowing that in the island were 100, 1000, 10000 people would change anything?
At first it seemed he wanted to know that, because of the possible damage that his own marines and him, with his Meteorites, could do. And he might even had some strategies pre-made, through experience(even thought he doesn't have that much experience in the Marines), to avoid causalities.
Right now it seems like is a way to incriminate Doflamingo.
Really? In the most recent chapters, what good points have been raised about not going after him?
What Fuji was trying to say was that the World Government isn't God so they don't always have to move every time there's a problem. The citizens aren't crying for the Marine's help at all. They're angry and they want justice served by their own hand. He asked Maynard if he's been ignoring the same screams all this time in other situations. He's saying that the World Government is to blame for this atrocity. He's basically saying the same thing Doflamingo said. It's the people's job to choose their own king/fate. The people could have begged the Marines for help yet decided to take matters into their own hands because don't want it. For now he's focusing on his original mission.
About Bellamy, about the guy that laughed and got shot and thrown into a huge fall? Hody is exactly like that.
Bellamy isn't part of his "family" he's an obsessive fanboy who's disappointed him before. He made it explicit that he's only attached to the executives as they've been with him for a long time and through highs and lows.
People are saying that dofla is so good because he cares about the executives
I don't think people believe that Dofla is suddenly a top guy because he's confirmed for having a heart. He's just showing that he's not a one-not moustache twirling bastard. I remember when people were sure that he'd execute officers for failing him or that Baby 5 or Sugar would betray him.
He didn't cared about the fodder, as I said in my first post about this. Nor he cared about the people in Fishmen Island, what he cared was only that little group of fishmen that were his "executive", just like Dofla. People are saying that dofla is so good because he cares about the executives, but than what about the rest of his crew? About Bellamy, about the guy that laughed and got shot and thrown into a huge fall? Hody is exactly like that.
I did remark that Doflamingo's care is good albeit twisted, considering he's very callous and sadistic to everyone else, especially Law/Bellamy/Riku/Kyros/etc. I think the flashback will provide some pretty context or what have you, but either way, Doflamingo isn't blinded with racism, which does make him better….err, kinda? What I mean is, he messes with everyone, and has all kinds of wacky people in his inner circle. It's not like "hahaha if you're not towering like Pica then gtfo"
But yeah, I'll reread FI to see what you mean.
@moud:
they touched tips AGAIN i guess i was right , what a wonderful day this is lol
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oh man, I didn't even see Zoro there, just thought it was Fuji activating his gravity. (cue another week of arguing if Zoro could beat an Admiral)
Solid stuff this week. Fuji just gets cooler and cooler. And I'm glad the Luffster's gonna get a proper fight soon?
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(cue another week of arguing if Zoro could beat an Admiral)
Guess I'll start.
He can't.
1.) it doesn't make any sense to not unlock law when you have the key, stupid
1)actually it makes sense since law was not very keen on following luffy anyway.until it's cuffed,luffy can bring him anywhere he wants (to the palace of course)
Letting Porsche collect Chopper or Absalom marry Nami means nothing. It's indulging their whims, treating lesser beings as plunder.
There is a big difference in swearing reprisal that one of YOUR crew has been harmed and in taking a bullet for them yourself.
And there are plenty of crews that show bravery & loyalty, but they've only been neutral like Whitebeard or someone like Lola who stepped up after being inspired by the Straw Hats.
That's the point I'm making. Dofla and Luffy are the only captains that have shown to go that extra for their crew before they face off. Doflarescued Baby5 and Buffalo being prepared to face down whoever hurt them. But the point is he rescued them. He's killed whole towns just to protect Baby from herself. Hugeky different from any other SH opponent we've seen.
Afterwards Buggy, Crocodile and CP9 act more like a true nakama, as if their loss to the Straw Hats has reminded them what it means.
oh man, I didn't even see Zoro there, just thought it was Fuji activating his gravity. (cue another week of arguing if Zoro could beat an Admiral)
well we don't often get a strawhat encountering an admiral twice in one arc (or in the whole series) this shit needs to be discussed
@krule274:
Guess I'll start.
He can't.
I hope Fujitora lands a nasty slash on Zoro, just to hammer in this fact. fufufufufu~
He didn't cared about the fodder, as I said in my first post about this. Nor he cared about the people in Fishmen Island, what he cared was only that little group of fishmen that were his "executive", just like Dofla. People are saying that dofla is so good because he cares about the executives, but than what about the rest of his crew? About Bellamy, about the guy that laughed and got shot and thrown into a huge fall? Hody is exactly like that.
he was making the arc crash into fishman island killing everyone,including his own crew.
very strange way to "care for his crew"
I hope Fujitora lands a nasty slash on Zoro, just to hammer in this fact. fufufufufu~
Alot of Fujitora overestimation.
I hope Fujitora lands a nasty slash on Zoro, just to hammer in this fact. fufufufufu~
mhmmmmmmm can fuji land slashes :ninja:
could someone explain to me the exchange between maynard fujitora in detail please, is fujitora saying that the WG is tyrannical, why is maynard so shocked from that statement can anyone explain?
So did Maynard inform fujitora about the underground SMILE Factory?
lol at any strawhat being able to take an admiral toe-to-toe at this point
And there are plenty of crews that show bravery & loyalty, but they've only been neutral like Whitebeard or someone like Lola who stepped up after being inspired by the Straw Hats.
That's the point I'm making. Dofla and Luffy are the only captains that have shown to go that extra for their crew before they face off. Doflarescued Baby5 and Buffalo being prepared to face down whoever hurt them. But the point is he rescued them. He's killed whole towns just to protect Baby from herself. Hugeky different from any other SH opponent we've seen.
…but Whitebeard started a war for saving a single comrade and died for the opportunity to let his guys get away
I dunno, seems to be as passionate about his people as Dofla and Luffy
@Cyan:
lol at any strawhat being able to take an admiral toe-to-toe at this point
Not even Admiral Crunch?
I swear kaidous strenght must be unlimited, like 10x fujitora or 200 Cavendish.
He so afraid of him ahahahah
Alot of Fujitora overestimation.
How is that an over estimation? All they said in the first place was "I hope," secondly, he's a gosh darn admiral. And I've been out of the chapter discussion loop for a little while, so maybe you geniuses came up with some perfect strength ranking system for every character in the series while I was gone, but as far as I'm concerned, an admiral isn't someone to be taken lightly.
For someone who purport's to care a lot about his family, DD didn't have get over Vergo and Monet deaths rather quickly.
A lot went on in this chapter which is why it was all over the place. I'd like to know if Maynard has discovered anything about Doflamingo that we aren't already aware of. Koala snooping around at the harbour seems to be gathering useful information to help the Revolutionaries, informations definitely powerful against nations. I wonder what tactics Dragon employs in order to get Countries to join his cause.
Fujitora's current development just keeps getting more interesting, but still without a clear trajectory. He's obviously conflicted by his duties as an Admiral against his own ideals, morals etc. I wonder what he meant by "Actions like that are what have allowed crises like this to repeat themselves over and over again.", that by intervening and stopping Doflamingo he would be inviting further chaos, or that the current situation is a result of Dressrosa being shaken by 'change'? Would Fujitora prefer that the status quo remain unchanged because of the amount of bloodshed involved in revolutions? But that last line probably confirms some sort of significant change within his character now taking shape, and not just in a way that we can suspect as we have been "Is the World Government… Some kind of God?!"
I can see Fujitora being part of the revolutionaries if he's pushed into having a significant enough transformation. He's not that far off.
The Donquixote family conference was pretty cool, we get to learn a little bit more about Doflamingo's upbringing and why his staff are so incredibly loyal. His charisma came off really well when he shrugged off his executive's failings so nonchalantly. I wasn't all too surprised that Pica seems to have come out as being the strongest of the executives because his ability is really situational and there's no better battleground for him than Stoney Dressrosa.
So Franky's on the loose and going straight for the factory that Doffy is so confident cannot be destroyed - seastone - It probably won't be that simple for Franky, and he can't just blow it up with the Tontatta's still inside, and possibly Kanjuro too. I was really surprised about the altercation between Luffy-Zoro-Law (Law is still cuffed) and Pink-Machvise-Dellinger. I didn't think Luffy should have been caught by Pink although Luffy has always been slow to react to new abilities, he's always surprised by them.
At last though, Zoro vs Fujitora, ever since his cane was shown to contain a sword this clash has been predicted by a lot of people. Luffy has to get to Doffy and now faces Pica who he's just taunted (predictable but Oda didn't drag it out, you could see Luffy reacting to that as soon as it was mentioned). I don't see how Zoro beats Fujitora though, should be over relatively quickly.
Next Chapter: Sabo surprises Doffy?
@krule274:
How is that an over estimation? All they said in the first place was "I hope," secondly, he's a gosh darn admiral. And I've been out of the chapter discussion loop for a little while, so maybe you geniuses came up with some perfect strength ranking system for every character in the series while I was gone, but as far as I'm concerned, an admiral isn't someone to be taken lightly.
And Fujitora isn't one to be taken lightly. I'm just irritated that people automatically come to an imaginary conclusion about how strong Fujitora is in comparison to other characters simply because of his rank. They assume that he's this many steps above so and so characters. It's irritating how much this baseless discussion is spammed every week. My message to them is "Being an Admiral does not make you God tier, calm yourselves fanboys."
And Fujitora isn't one to be taken lightly. I'm just irritated that people automatically come to an imaginary conclusion about how strong Fujitora is in comparison to other characters simply because of his rank. They assume that he's this many steps above so and so characters. It's irritating how much this baseless discussion is spammed every week. My message to them is "Being an Admiral does not make you God tier, calm yourselves fanboys."
too many admiral fans in this forum
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