you can just imagine the chaos that the New World will be in!!
That will be a perfect setting for our friends Akainu and the marines to come down like a vulture to eat the weak and dead.
you can just imagine the chaos that the New World will be in!!
That will be a perfect setting for our friends Akainu and the marines to come down like a vulture to eat the weak and dead.
That will be a perfect setting for our friends Akainu and the marines to come down like a vulture to eat the weak and dead.
The WG will have to deal with the loss of maybe 2 Shichibukai, and if 2 yonkou also fall… then their so called Balance will be up in the air.
The WG will be in the worst position, actually. lol
The WG will have to deal with the loss of maybe 2 Shichibukai, and if 2 yonkou also fall… then their so called Balance will be up in the air.
The WG will be in the worst position, actually. lol
2 fallen yonkou are beneficial to the WG
They have the Shichibukai as power to negate the yonkou, one woulde assume that if there are missing yonkou (even more with 2 missing) will put the WG in a better spot, even if they lose some Shichibukais.
2 fallen yonkou are beneficial to the WG
It's all about stability for the WG… and the New World needs 4 to be balanced. When 2 falls that means more chaos… which is not something the WG will want to deal with.
They have the Shichibukai as power to negate the yonkou, one woulde assume that if there are missing yonkou (even more with 2 missing) will put the WG in a better spot, even if they lose some Shichibukais.
Marineford showed that: Marines + Shichbukai = 1 Yonkou, since the Yonkou are not expected to join forces against the WG.
The Warlords are completely unreliable except for Kuma, they were a shit counterbalance to begin with.
@Cyan:
The Warlords are completely unreliable except for Kuma, they were a shit counterbalance to begin with.
This too.
@Cyan:
The Warlords are completely unreliable except for Kuma, they were a shit counterbalance to begin with.
Exept when needed to face a Younko. The war would probably have looked completly diffrent.
When faced with a direct order from the WG they came in big.
Exept when needed to face a Younko. The war would probably have looked completly diffrent.
Oh yea, half of them helped Luffy in the war and the other half was sitting around.
Jinbe - Actively defected
Teach - Actively defected
Hancock - Was attacking everyone
Mihawk - Did nothing but chase Luffy for a bit and then bail when Shanks showed up
Kuma - Is a robot
Doflamingo - Busy screwing around with Crocodile
Moriah - Actually tried to stop the pirates, got fired for his trouble
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haven't read the whole thread, but i'm guessing SH + hearts + revolutionaries since they're hunting (trying to stop) the weapons factory also.
On top of that the only good action they did was to beat Oz jr and it ruined their whole plan because of that fat body on the walls.
Even if a bunch of pirates take control of Kaidou's territories, I expect he'll rest up after his downfall from Luffy, then get to work to take everything back.
When Luffy defeats his enemies, he defeats their will to achieve whatever their current dream was. If Luffy defeats Kaidou, then I bet that Kaidou will either stay defeated or become an ally somehow.
When Luffy defeats his enemies, he defeats their will to achieve whatever their current dream was. If Luffy defeats Kaidou, then I bet that Kaidou will either stay defeated or become an ally somehow.
Moria begs to disagree.
Moria begs to disagree.
I'm not quite so sure. After his defeat via Luffy, he completely changed plans. So while he may not have forgotten his main dream, he has at least decided to change how he will pursue it.
I mean, part of his plan was to amass all of those shadows, but Luffy made him lose them all. Basically putting him back at square one.
I'm not quite so sure. After his defeat via Luffy, he completely changed plans. So while he may not have forgotten his main dream, he has at least decided to change how he will pursue it.
I mean, part of his plan was to amass all of those shadows, but Luffy made him lose them all. Basically putting him back at square one.
Not really. Even though TB has been destroyed and the shadows were gone, which made it impossible for him to use them, the first thing he did during the war was trying to kill Oars to make him zombie later (so his ambition of creating army of undead as a way of achieving his goals was still there).
Not really. Even though TB has been destroyed and the shadows were gone, which made it impossible for him to use them, the first thing he did during the war was trying to kill Oars to make him zombie later (so his ambition of creating army of undead as a way of achieving his goals was still there).
Yeah, I guess you're right about that.
I don't know. For some reason, I expect that Moria is a bit of a changed guy. Maybe he is relying a little more on his own strength, and is actually collecting companions, now? There might be something to his power if, instead of stealing shadows, he maybe switched shadows between his companions, that kind of thing.
You forget something?
!
Kaido,hide yourself.
You forget something?
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Kaido,hide yourself.
No sane man has forgotten Moria.
@Light:
No sane man has forgotten Moria.
I had forgotten about that guy, curse you all for reminding me. His laughter will haunt me for the rest of my days. :getlost:
I had forgotten about that guy, curse you all for reminding me. His laughter will haunt me for the rest of my days. :getlost:
Thank you very VERY much Light Bro. I needed that.
And now his laughter is on repeat in my head, cheers.
I hope it will be some other pirates than the strawhats because I think it would be refreshing and a change of pace than just Luffy against the world.
Luffy is bound to meet Shanks, and beat BB and he is already entangled with Big Mom so Kaidou is the last Yonkou that could be handled by other pirates.
Would be cool if the Kid alliance battle him and X-Drake so that they get some exposure too.
I hope it will be some other pirates than the strawhats because I think it would be refreshing and a change of pace than just Luffy against the world.
Luffy is bound to meet Shanks, and beat BB and he is already entangled with Big Mom so Kaidou is the last Yonkou that could be handled by other pirates.
Would be cool if the Kid alliance battle him and X-Drake so that they get some exposure too.
Basically, you want Kaido - who's been hyped up since Thriller Bark - to get offscreened.
I hope it will be some other pirates than the strawhats because I think it would be refreshing and a change of pace than just Luffy against the world.
Luffy is bound to meet Shanks, and beat BB and he is already entangled with Big Mom so Kaidou is the last Yonkou that could be handled by other pirates.
Would be cool if the Kid alliance battle him and X-Drake so that they get some exposure too.
Considiring that law is top three supernova and how don flamingo fodderized him, I see no chance for kid apo hakins to even scratch him,
His armada will be enough to defeat them easily.
Considiring that law is top three supernova and how don flamingo fodderized him, I see no chance for kid apo hakins to even scratch him,
His armada will be enough to defeat them easily.
You are refering to a full headon attack. I don't think the KAH are that stupid, to be more precise: Killer, he was shown as someone who have the brains.
Considiring that law is top three supernova and how don flamingo fodderized him, I see no chance for kid apo hakins to even scratch him,
His armada will be enough to defeat them easily.
Because people can't get stronger after all. Everybody is static in terms of strength. :getlost:
@Cyan:
Basically, you want Kaido - who's been hyped up since Thriller Bark - to get offscreened.
No, Let the SH's go do something else in the meanwhile and give guys like Kidd, Apoo, Hawkins, Drake and maybe Urouge and Bege some panel time. I would like to see them do something significant too.
Considiring that law is top three supernova and how don flamingo fodderized him, I see no chance for kid apo hakins to even scratch him,
His armada will be enough to defeat them easily.
Not saying they should do it tomorrow, but maybe 2-3 islands from now. Which would probably take 4-5 years
No, Let the SH's go do something else in the meanwhile and give guys like Kidd, Apoo, Hawkins, Drake and maybe Urouge and Bege some panel time. I would like to see them do something significant too.
I've always wanted something like that (I've always said it's bizarre that everyone else gets these crazy 400m+ bounties from attacking civilians and blowing up Yonkou ships, but Luffy, who has befriended one half of the Shichibukai and beaten the other half, gets an equal or lesser bounty; my only consolation is that Luffy will most likely only defeat 3 of the Yonkou, not all 4[5 if you count WB]), but it's just not going to happen.
even the war which shifted the focus a bit onto other parts of the world was still focusing heavily on how impressive Luffy was.
there's no way we'll get a whole arc without Luffy, and if he were to be in the arc there's also no way he wouldn't take part in the Yonkou fight
I would actually love to see Luffy as a spectator for once, the tournament doesn't count.
I would actually love to see Luffy as a spectator for once, the tournament doesn't count.
great shout, just as we all got goosebumps when Whitebeard turned it on at Marineford, I think the same opportunity is here for Kaido and perhaps Doflam?
Perhaps wishful thinking but I don't think it would make sense for Doflam to be killed off in Dressrosa. This guy dances evenly with Aokiji so it would be bizarre if they let Law or any filler characters with 'grudges' see him off.
I agree with the sentiment expressed on the previous page about Luffy beating 3/4 emperors, but if anyone is going down from some other cause (or won't go down at all per se) is Shanks. Obviously there'll be a meeting between he and Luffy and hopefully some sparring.
If something besides Luffy is to take down Kaidou, maybe it'll be part of a clusterf*ck with another Yonkou to keep it interesting.
**Here's my prediction:
The SH's alliance will lose against Kaido and will be forced to retreat. BB will take advantage of the weakened Kaido and finish him off. BB will then give Kaido's DF ( if he has one) to Burgess, which will make Burgess the new strongest beast! Thus making the BB pirates more formidable.
The Kid alliance will lose against Big mom, which will give the SH's alliance a chance to defeat the weakened Big mom! Fulfilling his promise to Big mom.
(I think both Luffy/Kid alliance should lose against a yonko, in their first try. To showcase how strong Emperor's really are.)
Big Mom will be the first yonko, to go down against the SH's.**
**The Kid alliance will lose against Big mom, which will give the SH's alliance a chance to defeat the weakened Big mom! Fulfilling his promise to Big mom.
(I think both Luffy/Kid alliance should lose against a yonko, in their first try. To showcase how strong Emperor's really are.)Big Mom will be the first yonko, to go down against the SH's.**
What challenge would it be defeating Big Mom if she was weakened first?
@Light:
What challenge would it be defeating Big Mom if she was weakened first?
Big Mom losing half of her main forces will give the SH's a better chance (It will still be a challenge). That's if the other emperor's forces are close or equal to WB's forces.
It's just my personal opinion.
I definely think some form of alliance will take down at least one of the Yonko. It would be the perfect way to deafeat one of the most powerful foes on the seas without taking their place (a.k.a. not making the crew feel too overpowered).
My guess is at Strawhats + Heart Pirates, though it wouldn't surprise me if more joined in - be it an active alliance, or that they just happened to attack at the same time.
Big Mom losing half of her main forces will give the SH's a better chance (It will still be a challenge). That's if the other emperor's forces are close or equal to WB's forces.
It's just my personal opinion.
Oh, I thought you meant they'd take her on directly. That would be just stupid!
But yeah guess they might take her on while her forces are distracted on something else.
Exept when needed to face a Younko. The war would probably have looked completly diffrent.
When faced with a direct order from the WG they came in big.
Sorry, I will be under my table, laughing.
Collectively, they did almost nothing. Most certainly not enough to warrant their existance in the war.
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I would actually love to see Luffy as a spectator for once, the tournament doesn't count.
Yeah, agreed on this one.
**Here's my prediction:
The SH's alliance will lose against Kaido and will be forced to retreat. BB will take advantage of the weakened Kaido and finish him off. BB will then give Kaido's DF ( if he has one) to Burgess, which will make Burgess the new strongest beast! Thus making the BB pirates more formidable.
The Kid alliance will lose against Big mom, which will give the SH's alliance a chance to defeat the weakened Big mom! Fulfilling his promise to Big mom.
(I think both Luffy/Kid alliance should lose against a yonko, in their first try. To showcase how strong Emperor's really are.)Big Mom will be the first yonko, to go down against the SH's.**
Showcase? Every single reader already knows that the Yonkous are the Chuck Norris of One Piece, so they don't need to showcase shit.
@Light:
What challenge would it be defeating Big Mom if she was weakened first?
what….. she's a Yonko, it would be a very very very big challange, she's someone who stood on par with White Beard, the guy that all the marines, shichibukai, and pasafistas had to team up against to beat, when he was old, ill and didn't have his medical equipment on, who also couldn't even use half of his already weakend strength once during the whole war because his entire crew was on the very same Island, and that would kill them
so yea a weakened Big Mom, who then fights Luffy and his allies, hopefully ending with Luffy, Law and Kidd (having a shout back to sabody with them lining up) and teaming up to finally finish off there first Yonko would still be an extremely big challenge, and would help keep the power curve in tact, that One Piece has been working years at building to be better than most other shonen mangas
and remember we still don't even know if Luffy's a match for Doflamingo, who has a gigantic crew, and is said to be the central pillar of the underworld, which means he could probably rope in a lot more allies into battle, and is scared shitless of Kaidou, and is at the very least, going to be a big challenge for Luffy
Anyone else thinks, luffy should defeat them all?
what….. she's a Yonko, it would be a very very very big challange, she's someone who stood on par with White Beard, the guy that all the marines, shichibukai, and pasafistas had to team up against to beat, when he was old, ill and didn't have his medical equipment on, who also couldn't even use half of his already weakend strength once during the whole war because his entire crew was on the very same Island, and that would kill them
It's just that Luffy has never fought a "weakened" enemy before. Fighting them in anything else than their full strength would just undermine his achievements. He's supposed to be the future pirate king after all.
At now he's too weak to fight a yonkou one-on-one, yes, but he's getting stronger each island. And like you said, allying with other powerful (and crazy) pirates definitely helps. But taking her on right after a huge battle with some other alliance would be rather… lame.
and remember we still don't even know if Luffy's a match for Doflamingo, who has a gigantic crew, and is said to be the central pillar of the underworld, which means he could probably rope in a lot more allies into battle, and is scared shitless of Kaidou, and is at the very least, going to be a big challenge for Luffy
Don't forget that this is a guy who declared a war to the entire world and lived to this day! And has thousands of Dolfamingo-hostile pirates, bounty hunters and monarchs indebted to him via Usopp.
if luffy takes down an emperor then so will blackbeard. although since it's blackbeard he will probably do it in some sneaky way. he will probably let the kidd alliance do significant damage to big mom if that is who they're targeting and come in at the end and destroy both big mom and the kidd alliance. also don't underestimate the marines involvement in taking down either emperors. you might see akainu sending his forces to take down the emperors allied pirates just to make sure the pirates destroy each other. the ones who will likely be taking territory will be the marines. the only thing blackbeard probably wants is stronger pirate allies and we know luffy doesn't care about territory.
if luffy takes down an emperor then so will blackbeard.
How can you be so sure? He's an Emperor already. That's good enough proof of his strength.
although since it's blackbeard he will probably do it in some sneaky way. he will probably let the kidd alliance do significant damage to big mom if that is who they're targeting and come in at the end and destroy both big mom and the kidd alliance.
Look, even if Blackbeard would take down an Yonkou, it wouldn't be Big Mom. Luffy has already promised to beat her. Why would she be beaten off-screen after the hype she's gotten?
also don't underestimate the marines involvement in taking down either emperors. you might see akainu sending his forces to take down the emperors allied pirates just to make sure the pirates destroy each other.
Wouldn't it make more sense to let them weaken each other and take the whole lössi to Impel Down?
the ones who will likely be taking territory will be the marines. the only thing blackbeard probably wants is stronger pirate allies and we know luffy doesn't care about territory.
Yeah guess it's plausible that Marines will target the weakened Yonkou territories once they're taken down. But Blackbeard has already taken over Whitebeard's old islands which proves that he wants to rule! And Luffy has already promised to make Fishman Island his territory.
@Light:
How can you be so sure? He's an Emperor already. That's good enough proof of his strength.
Look, even if Blackbeard would take down an Yonkou, it wouldn't be Big Mom. Luffy has already promised to beat her. Why would she be beaten off-screen after the hype she's gotten?
1. blackbeard wants to be pirate king and he knows the other emperors stand in his way. he wants to take them down similar to how luffy wants to take them down because he wants to be the pirate king.
2. blackbeard is an opportunist so if he saw an emperor severely weakened then he would probably strike and then take all the glory. it doesn't have to be big mom but if luffy takes on kaidou then blackbeard will take on big mom if the kidd alliance manages to hurt big mom. right now big mom has gotten the most screen time but that doesn't mean she is a destined opponent for luffy.
1. blackbeard wants to be pirate king and he knows the other emperors stand in his way. he wants to take them down similar to how luffy wants to take them down because he wants to be the pirate king.
2. blackbeard is an opportunist so if he saw an emperor severely weakened then he would probably strike and then take all the glory. it doesn't have to be big mom but if luffy takes on kaidou then blackbeard will take on big mom if the kidd alliance manages to hurt big mom. right now big mom has gotten the most screen time but that doesn't mean she is a destined opponent for luffy.
I severely doubt that Oda would have Luffy challenge Big Mom and ten not follow through with it.
I think she'll be the first yonko to be defeated by Luffy 1 on 1.
1. blackbeard wants to be pirate king and he knows the other emperors stand in his way. he wants to take them down similar to how luffy wants to take them down because he wants to be the pirate king.
Guess that's fair enough. But I don't see him beating Big Mom or Kaidou. They're Luffy's prey. And Luffy still has to give Shanks his hat back once he's PK so BB can't kill him at least until the end.
Black Beard will beat shanks, cementing him as one of the final villains of the series…. I mean for those who couldn't already figure out that the Bizzaro strawhat crew, that has been being built up since albasta, and took down the strongest man in the world, and is from the same generation as Luffy and a Yonko, and has world ending powers to boot, might be the final villain, it should pretty much cement it
and please dear god no one mention Akainu or the five elder stars as the final villains please