Why do you suppose Kyros was in the colloseum to begin with?
Also, imagine being as strong as him and losing everything because a girl touched you. You'd be hella mad
Why do you suppose Kyros was in the colloseum to begin with?
Also, imagine being as strong as him and losing everything because a girl touched you. You'd be hella mad
It's fascinating how there's at least five people on the island who deserve to deal the last punch to Doffy. Kyros, Becky, King Riku, Law, and Luffy. There's probably even more, but those five do have good reasons to deal that decisive blow.
Yeah, and that honor will go to our man Luffy (even if I'd love an aftermath that looks something like this but with Becky instead of Gin. Even more considering Becky right now is, essentialy, Gin 2.0).
But, from the point of view of someone who doesn't know anyone stronger than Kyros, betting it all on him actualy makes quite a lot of sense.
I don't know, I feel like Operation SOP makes much more sense (if you put yourselve on the Dwarves boots) after this chapter.
I mean that's the mistake. She didn't forget to make a contract. She just didn't make it and the reason isn't stated on the chapter.
I know what you're saying, I ask why are you saying this? Because actually the reason is stated in the chapter, dunno why do you think it isnt? Im guessing you read some translation which didn't mention it and you trust it more than the version which was talking about the 'forgetting' part?
Bellamy is also one of the Person that could give the last punch to Doffy…
Bellamy is also one of the Person that could give the last punch to Doffy…
He has to get in the line…
Luffy
Law
Rebecca
Kyros
Riku
Violet
Leo
Fujitora
The Colosseum Gladiators
Even Moriah
He has to get in the line…
Luffy
Law
Rebecca
Kyros
Riku
Violet
Leo
Fujitora
The Colosseum Gladiators
Even Moriah
Moriah can write an article about it afterwards.
Not without absa
Moriah is too busy playing Whack-a-Dofla.
He has to get in the line…
Luffy
Law
Rebecca
Kyros
Riku
Violet
Leo
Fujitora
The Colosseum Gladiators
Even Moriah
Should be Chinjao in there somewhere…
We're not dead yet :ninja:
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/739/page/2
WOOHOO! Sweet stuff.
Forgive me if this's been said, but if Kyros had 3000+ wins before he was the firstbperson made a toy, doesnt that mean the king before Doffy was running the colisseum as well? I thought Doffy was the one that instituted the colisseum?
Forgive me if this's been said, but if Kyros had 3000+ wins before he was the firstbperson made a toy, doesnt that mean the king before Doffy was running the colisseum as well? I thought Doffy was the one that instituted the colisseum?
yep .. cuz when DD came back he's the 1st person turned into toy that was when Riku Family leading the dressrosa country
The Colosseum existed before DD took over Dressrosa, but it was less brutal.
Forgive me if this's been said, but if Kyros had 3000+ wins before he was the firstbperson made a toy, doesnt that mean the king before Doffy was running the colisseum as well? I thought Doffy was the one that instituted the colisseum?
No, Doflamingo wasn't the one that created it. It was already said that the coliseum existed before but it didn't had life threatening battles. Instead of that it had fights with blunt swords. That is the reason why King Riku and Rebecca use Blunt swords, and the reason why King Riku hates the current state of the Coliseum.
We're not dead yet :ninja:
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/739/page/2
You guys are the greatest. <3
We're not dead yet :ninja:
http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/739/page/2
thank you very much
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/One-Piece/v70/c704/16
Here, Rebecca states that Kyros won 3000 battles in a row, only taking one blow from one opponent. I'm assuming that Doflamingo is that opponent, and the reason that Kyros thinks he can defeat Doflamingo is that he defeated Doflamingo in the past, even though he was scathed. I can't articulate my word appropriately at the moment, but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/One-Piece/v70/c704/16
Here, Rebecca states that Kyros won 3000 battles in a row, only taking one blow from one opponent. I'm assuming that Doflamingo is that opponent, and the reason that Kyros thinks he can defeat Doflamingo is that he defeated Doflamingo in the past, even though he was scathed. I can't articulate my word appropriately at the moment, but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
Doubtful,
Doubtful,
- That statue was made before Doffy took over the country. Since Kyros was first person to changed into a toy and it was during or just before Doffy's coup and people that are turned into toys are forgotten about. The only info of Kyros is what is on that statue. So it was made before Doffy ever took over.
- it was said Kyros retired 20 years ago, that was 10 years - a full decade - before Doffy invaded Dressrosa. Its more likely the statue was made shortly after his retirement.
Why would Doffy fear Kyros and send Sugar to transform him if he hadn't fought him before? You couldn't see a young, 20 year old, overconfident, ex-Celestial Dragon Doffy challenging Kyros to a battle and losing given that information?
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/One-Piece/v70/c704/16
Here, Rebecca states that Kyros won 3000 battles in a row, only taking one blow from one opponent. I'm assuming that Doflamingo is that opponent, and the reason that Kyros thinks he can defeat Doflamingo is that he defeated Doflamingo in the past, even though he was scathed. I can't articulate my word appropriately at the moment, but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
I agree. Pretty much identical ideas here:
@Tyrano:
They say Kyros shed blood only once in his entire Colosseum career. Was that like…20 years ago?
I think that person who made him bleed was Doflamingo in his rookie years.
Kyros still defeated Doflamingo then, so he kept his title. But Doflamingo put up a pretty good fight.Kyros thinks he can beat Doflamingo again since he has done so once already.
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/One-Piece/v70/c704/16
Here, Rebecca states that Kyros won 3000 battles in a row, only taking one blow from one opponent. I'm assuming that Doflamingo is that opponent, and the reason that Kyros thinks he can defeat Doflamingo is that he defeated Doflamingo in the past, even though he was scathed. I can't articulate my word appropriately at the moment, but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
Maybe the blow was from Sugar, turning him into a toy? No clue, just speculating.
@krule274:
Maybe the blow was from Sugar, turning him into a toy? No clue, just speculating.
We're talking about his missing leg.
Why would Doffy fear Kyros and send Sugar to transform him if he hadn't fought him before? You couldn't see a young, 20 year old, overconfident, ex-Celestial Dragon Doffy challenging Kyros to a battle and losing given that information?
That is not what I said. I was one of the first people to say that The Soldier was the first to be transformed, so yeah I know that Doffy sees the Solider/Kyros as a serious threat. And I don't doubt that they have fought.
I disagreed with Doffy being behind the one hit Kyros is known to have taken for a simple reason.
The statue implies that hit was during his career, before he retired. The way it reads the hit was in the ring. Why else would the statue record him being hit if it was after his career? A career that was over for a decade when Doffy took over. Why would it say he only had one hit if that hit happened outside the ring? No, the hit happened inside the ring.
I do not see him endangering his coup by fighting someone who was seen as a hero back then.
That is why I doubt Doffy was the one…. at least a recognizable Doffy. But Doddy doesn't strike me as a person to do disguise.
@krule274:
Maybe the blow was from Sugar, turning him into a toy? No clue, just speculating.
Then it wouldn't be part of the legend since he would be gone from everyone memories the next second.
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We're talking about his missing leg.
That is a common assumption but it is not yet a fact. I mean I suppose they would mentioned it if was something as big as losing a leg.
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That is not what I said. I was one of the first people to say that The Soldier was the first to be transformed, so yeah I know that Doffy sees the Solider/Kyros as a serious threat. And I don't doubt that they have fought.
I disagreed with Doffy being behind the one hit Kyros is known to have taken for a simple reason.
The statue implies that hit was during his career, before he retired. The way it reads the hit was in the ring. Why else would the statue record him being hit if it was after his career? A career that was over for a decade when Doffy took over. Why would it say he only had one hit if that hit happened outside the ring? No, the hit happened inside the ring.I do not see him endangering his coup by fighting someone who was seen as a hero back then.
That is why I doubt Doffy was the one…. at least a recognizable Doffy. But Doddy doesn't strike me as a person to do disguise.
I think they are just picturing as a young cocky pirate wanting to test his abilities against the local hero.
But this seems impossible to me seeing how anxious Riku was about a Doflamingo to the country.
That is a common assumption but it is not yet a fact. I mean I suppose they would mentioned it if was something as big as losing a leg.
Come on now, the Toy Soldier's missing leg is its signature feature, which is pointed out and questioned by several characters.
If this injury was anything else, the missing leg would be just a pointless red herring. Not to mention that it would just look underwhelming in comparison to an entire missing limb.
Come on now, the Toy Soldier's missing leg is its signature feature, which is pointed out and questioned by several characters.
If this injury was anything else, the missing leg would be just a pointless red herring. Not to mention that it would just look underwhelming in comparison to an entire missing limb.
I got an hard time believing that the guy stayed the undeafeated champion and with such an overwhelming aura in the country if he lost a leg. i mean referrincing to a missing leg as a simple injury seems like quite an euphemism to me. Either he doesn't miss a leg in human form or he lost the leg due to a sneak attack from Doflamingo.
I imagine the injury as the usual referrence to Roger.
I got an hard time believing that the guy stayed the undeafeated champion and with such an overwhelming aura in the country if he lost a leg. i mean referrincing to a missing leg as a simple injury seems like quite an euphemism to me. Either he doesn't miss a leg in human form or he lost the leg due to a sneak attack from Doflamingo.
I agree, after all the one-legged tin soldier is a type of toy (seem to remember some x-mas story featuring one)
Its more plausible that =
A- he lost the leg in the first fight with doffy right before he was transformed into a toy
OR
B- Kyros is not missing a leg in human form. After all it would be more humiliating to a warrior not just be changed into a toy but into a one-legged toy.
I got an hard time believing that the guy stayed the undeafeated champion and with such an overwhelming aura in the country if he lost a leg. i mean referrincing to a missing leg as a simple injury seems like quite an euphemism to me. Either he doesn't miss a leg in human form or he lost the leg due to a sneak attack from Doflamingo.
I imagine the injury as the usual referrence to Roger.
I agree, after all the one-legged tin soldier is a type of toy (seem to remember some x-mas story featuring one)
Its more plausible that =
A- he lost the leg in the first fight with doffy right before he was transformed into a toy
OR
B- Kyros is not missing a leg in human form. After all it would be more humiliating to a warrior not just be changed into a toy but into a one-legged toy.
It's like you guys forget that one of the 4 most powerful pirates in the whole world is missing a limb himself.
Seriously, Oda wouldn't make Rebecca mention Kyros' single wound if it weren't an important wound.
Not to mention that Kyros can fight just fine with as a toy with a single leg. He was also doing very well 10 years ago, implying that he was already used to it before transforming.
It's like you guys forget that one of the 4 most powerful pirates in the whole world is missing a limb himself.
Seriously, Oda wouldn't make Rebecca mention Kyros' single wound if it weren't an important wound.
Not to mention that Kyros can fight just fine with as a toy with a single leg. He was also doing very well 10 years ago, implying that he was already used to it before transforming.
That was 12 years when he didn't defend and probably wasn't one of the 4 most powerful pirate.
Like I said I suppose the wound will be attribuate tothe young Roger.
Then it wouldn't be part of the legend since he would be gone from everyone memories the next second.
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That is a common assumption but it is not yet a fact. I mean I suppose they would mentioned it if was something as big as losing a leg.
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I think they are just picturing as a young cocky pirate wanting to test his abilities against the local hero.
But this seems impossible to me seeing how anxious Riku was about a Doflamingo to the country.
You certainly have a point there; Riku was seemingly not familiar with Dofla when Dofla came at his door, and as such, it would be strange if Dofla wouldn't be recognized by Riku as the one who hurt Kyros years ago. But you have to take in consideration, that though it might mean nothing, Doffy is the only person who has cut off another person's leg: the Toy Soldier's Leg is cut off. Also, it would make sense why Riku wouldn't recognize Doffy being the one who slashed Kyros ' leg off; Sugar's fruit would've cut off any memory of Riku's associated with Kyros, and therefore eliminate any memory of Doflamingo's battle with Kyros in the colosseum as well. The Roger reference which you suggest couldn't be true as Roger died 22 years ago, not 20, when Kyros retired from the Colosseum.
That was 12 years when he didn't defend and probably wasn't one of the 4 most powerful pirate.
Like I said I suppose the wound will be attribuate tothe young Roger.
He was already strong and famous. Even Whitebeard pointed out his missing arm. In fact, from that point on, he could only have become stronger, despite only having one arm. That only proves that it's possible to become stronger even with a handicap.
Kyros could have been the same. It's called "adaptation".
Also, what does Roger have anything to do with this?
You certainly have a point there; Riku was seemingly not familiar with Dofla when Dofla came at his door, and as such, it would be strange if Dofla wouldn't be recognized by Riku as the one who hurt Kyros years ago. But you have to take in consideration, that though it might mean nothing, Doffy is the only person who has cut off another person's leg: the Toy Soldier's Leg is cut off. Also, it would make sense why Riku wouldn't recognize Doffy being the one who slashed Kyros ' leg off; Sugar's fruit would've cut off any memory of Riku's associated with Kyros, and therefore eliminate any memory of Doflamingo's battle with Kyros in the colosseum as well. The Roger reference which you suggest couldn't be true as Roger died 22 years ago, not 20, when Kyros retired from the Colosseum.
But he should remember a member of the Donquixote entering his country ( you forget the toy and what he did. Doflamingo isn't a toy). He clearly seems to believe that it is the first time Doflamingo have come here. The only viable option would be that he have sent one of the executive to test the future opposition. And the only reason the Roger thing wouldn't is if we assume that he took that wound on his last battle.
Obviously Roger came back from the dead(thanks to Moriah) to cut off Kyros leg and tried strangling Kyros with his mustache
He was already strong and famous. Even Whitebeard pointed out his missing arm. In fact, from that point on, he could only have become stronger, despite only having one arm. That only proves that it's possible to become stronger even with a handicap.
Kyros could have been the same. It's called "adaptation".
Also, what does Roger have anything to do with this?
Seems more like a kid with great potential to me.
And I think that if the injury was that severe it would have been mentioned. And by that time Kyros was seemingly on his prime. at least that's how i percieved it. A missing leg from that time is just to much for the one who is believe to be able to take on doflamingo.
The one who manage to give a blow to the untouchable Kyros would be the young Roger.
But he should remember a member of the Donquixote entering his country ( you forget the toy and what he did. Doflamingo isn't a toy). He clearly seems to believe that it is the first time Doflamingo have come here. The only viable option would be that he have sent one of the executive to test the future opposition. And the only reason the Roger thing wouldn't is if we assume that he took that wound on his last battle.
While you have sound points regarding Dofla not being the one who inflicted Kyro's wound, I can assure you that it was not Roger. If Roger was the individual who inflicted the wound on Kyros, Roger would've been required to lose which I simply can't see ever happening. I'll still choose to believe that it was Dofla who gave the wound, but right now, there is not any other pertinent evidence supporting that idea that has not been mentioned.
Im not sure if they tried to make it look bronze or knew it was bronze but if you look closely its got the colour of bronze but lighter.
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In my opinion does it really affect the series? But i think there is a lighter bronze colour or they coloured it wrong. The manga IS only black and white. Characters with Darker skin are displayed as white in the manga (e.g. Usopp, Aokiji). Unless Oda had coloured it himself then it shouldn't matter. If it is then theres probably a lighter colour.
Or if we go to being Logical it is a bronze statue but coloured by paint or whatever you can use to colour it.
Remember bronze is a material so its made of bronze but not coloured in bronze(?). The colour bronze is pretty much named after the result of tin and copper being put togetherin a furnace lol.
Yeah thanks, I found the answer myself though. I feel pretty stupid since the hint was on the statue itself "Pancratium" which is Greek, which is appropriate since I suspect the statue is Greek Bronze.
Also it doesn't affect the series but that's not what was bothering me. The statue has been highly foreshadowed, with Luffy mentioning it more than once that he wanted one.
Seems more like a kid with great potential to me.
And I think that if the injury was that severe it would have been mentioned. And by that time Kyros was seemingly on his prime. at least that's how i percieved it. A missing leg from that time is just to much for the one who is believe to be able to take on doflamingo.
The one who manage to give a blow to the untouchable Kyros would be the young Roger.
No, Shanks was already famous. His duels with Mihawk were already considered legendary (those could only have happened before he lost his arm). Everything points out to him already being a legend back then.
About the injury, people only know about it because of the statue. Do you really expect a statue to tell all the details about Kyros himself?
And the Roger thing was just taken from nowhere. What the hell? Are we going to have Roger to be behind every mystery that pops out now?
Roger gave Jinbe his scar.
Roger was the responsible for Crocodile's lost hand.
Whitebeard's sickness? That was Roger too.
Killer wears a mask because Roger disfigured his face.
That statue is the only thing that tells about Kyros since people's memory of him has been taken away. It is from that then, that we know he took one hit. It is in the coliseum, not out in the city and it tells about his career as a gladiator.
That is why I am convinced the hit had to have happened in the coliseum and was witnessed.
This is why I do not think it was Doffy that gave the one hit that the statue states.
You certainly have a point there; Riku was seemingly not familiar with Dofla when Dofla came at his door, and as such, it would be strange if Dofla wouldn't be recognized by Riku as the one who hurt Kyros years ago. But you have to take in consideration, that though it might mean nothing, Doffy is the only person who has cut off another person's leg: the Toy Soldier's Leg is cut off.
Also, it would make sense why Riku wouldn't recognize Doffy being the one who slashed Kyros ' leg off; Sugar's fruit would've cut off any memory of Riku's associated with Kyros, and therefore eliminate any memory of Doflamingo's battle with Kyros in the colosseum as well.
I disagree.
Sugar's transformation may take away the memory of Kyros but it would not take away the memory of Doflomingo. The people would not forget that Doffy fought someone, they would simply forget who it was.
But no one knew who Doffy was when he showed up on that night, so no I do not think Doffy fought Kyros in the coliseum.
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Now please take one moment to look at my posts.
I say I do not think that Doffy was the one to give the "one hit" to Kyros during his carreer.
I also said in one that yes, it is one plausible scenario that Doffy did cut off the Kyros' leg…. just not 20 yeears ago.
I do not claim that the one hit was the same one that took off his leg.
I am claiming that if he did get his leg cut off, then the one hit is a separate event
Where was it stated the statue was bronze? I don't recall that. I checked chapter 704 with Cnet's translation but I see no mention of the word bronze.
Oh that. I checked with the past chapter discussion/translation on this site, but yeah Cnet doesn't say bronze on theirs.
I do not claim that the one hit was the same one that took off his leg.
I am claiming that if he did get his leg cut off, then the one hit is a separate event
Keep in mind though that the statue shows no injury in Kyros' upper body.
It has to be something that happened in his lower body.
I'm also going to reinterate the importance of the wound. Because Rebecca mentioned it, it has to be important, and the only notable disfigurement the Toy Soldier has is his missing leg, which is pointed out several times. No other wound has ever been mentioned or even hinted at.
That statue is the only thing that tells about Kyros since people's memory of him has been taken away. It is from that then, that we know he took one hit. It is in the coliseum, not out in the city and it tells about his career as a gladiator.
That is why I am convinced the hit had to have happened in the coliseum and was witnessed.
This is why I do not think it was Doffy that gave the one hit that the statue states.I disagree.
Sugar's transformation may take away the memory of Kyros but it would not take away the memory of Doflomingo. The people would not forget that Doffy fought someone, they would simply forget who it was.
But no one knew who Doffy was when he showed up on that night, so no I do not think Doffy fought Kyros in the coliseum.TAKE NOTE=
Now please take one moment to look at my posts.
I say I do not think that Doffy was the one to give the "one hit" to Kyros during his carreer.
I also said in one that yes, it is one plausible scenario that Doffy did cut off the Kyros' leg…. just not 20 yeears ago.I do not claim that the one hit was the same one that took off his leg.
I am claiming that if he did get his leg cut off, then the one hit is a separate event
I have nothing good to say to this. I'm too damn tired to think straight. I'm still going to remain stalwart in my position that Doffy hurt Kyros in the colosseum, for the same reason that the toy soldier was obviously Kyros: no other character fits the role and connects to it well enough.
No, Shanks was already famous. His duels with Mihawk were already considered legendary (those could only have happened before he lost his arm). Everything points out to him already being a legend back then.
About the injury, people only know about it because of the statue. Do you really expect a statue to tell all the details about Kyros himself?
And the Roger thing was just taken from nowhere. What the hell? Are we going to have Roger to be behind every mystery that pops out now?
Roger gave Jinbe his scar.
Roger was the responsible for Crocodile's lost hand.
Whitebeard's sickness? That was Roger too.
Killer wears a mask because Roger disfigured his face.
He wasn't defending against the fish.
I would except a phrase like Kyros continued to win his matches despite his injuries or he got forced to retirement because of the injury.
Lets just forget the Roger part. Maybe it will become important later on like Hachi telling he is the second best Swordsman of fishmen island. Or it is simply part of the hype.
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No, Shanks was already famous. His duels with Mihawk were already considered legendary (those could only have happened before he lost his arm). Everything points out to him already being a legend back then.
About the injury, people only know about it because of the statue. Do you really expect a statue to tell all the details about Kyros himself?
And the Roger thing was just taken from nowhere. What the hell? Are we going to have Roger to be behind every mystery that pops out now?
Roger gave Jinbe his scar.
Roger was the responsible for Crocodile's lost hand.
Whitebeard's sickness? That was Roger too.
Killer wears a mask because Roger disfigured his face.
He wasn't defending against the fish.
I would except a phrase like Kyros continued to win his matches despite his injuries or he got forced to retirement because of the injury.
Lets just forget the Roger part. Maybe it will become important later on like Hachi telling he is the second best Swordsman of fishmen island. Or it is simply part of the hype.
I think I know who injured Kyros… He is also, the one who injured Zephyr
! The unknown 7th shichibukai :ninja:
Severing an arm here and a leg there.. What does the dude have against limbs? :sad:
Too bad the site crashed, but I'm at page 11 of the chapter 709 thread (the king punch), and the few comments about Ricky's (btw, everyone thought he was Kyros) dull blade make reference to his possible past as an honorable colosseum gladiatorwho doesn't spill the blood of his opponents.
Not a single "lame", "stupid", "idiot", "facepalm" comment as of yet.
Seeing as how they started flooding this same thread at the very first page, I think that means something.
But hey, I'll keep searching for those comments on that chapter thread. . .only 57 pages to go. . .
Aaaghh…I'm such an idiot!
I didn't realise Ricky had a bladeless sword like Rebecca had in that chapter! I thought everyone was talking about the King Riku flashback! The one with the pacifistic choices!
I hadn't even noticed that in the chapter thread, much less the chapter itself. Guess you were right on that regard.
Sorry if you had wasted your time on that.
It seems odd to suggest that the one who cut off Kyros' leg wasn't Doflamingo when
Doflamingo is clearly Kyros' greatest enemy and the main enemy of the entire arc, intrinsically bound to every Dressrosan plotline.
We've actually seen Doffy cut off a leg using his strings before.
I think Kyros will have both legs when he transforms back to human. If he thinks he can beat Dofla just hopping on one leg, he's dumber than his daughter.
I think Kyros will have both legs when he transforms back to human. If he thinks he can beat Dofla just hopping on one leg, he's dumber than his daughter.
He moves pretty efficiently with just the one leg as a toy, using his jet walk and whatever.
As we know from Shanks, losing a limb isn't actually that much of a power decrease in OP.
Also, a big deal has been made out of him being one-legged, I doubt that's for no reason.
@Buggy:
Obviously Roger came back from the dead(thanks to Moriah) to cut off Kyros leg and tried strangling Kyros with his mustache
So Roger used to fight by using his moustache as a weapon? I can buy that.
I think Kyros will have both legs when he transforms back to human. If he thinks he can beat Dofla just hopping on one leg, he's dumber than his daughter.
He isn't called the One Legged-Soldier for nothing.