So do you think we're getting another timeskip? Or like a water 7 train ride power boost?
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Huh. I guess that's a popular notion then.
I never considered that to be anything more than a marker on how hard it would be to actually get at Kaido.
Yeah no i still think that both the emperors and admirals are beyond their reach atm. Both Zoro and Sanji were recently handled with ease by two highrollers, and the emperors are both one step beyond those that had no problem with Luffy's two best men.
And Blackbeard has a really small crew. So ever one of his men must be of the highest caliber.
Meh a percentage attached to a vague notion can be interpreted in so many ways, who bloody well knows what Law really meant.
We don't know how big Blackbeard's crew is now though. The fact that Burgess is now a "fleet commander" certainly implies an increase in size.
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The power of a yonko in a 1 on 1 fight? Are you serious?
Look at we've seen from the Yonko so far.
Whitebeard took on all 3 admirals and a future yonko, and that when he was old and sick.
I belive i can say, with a fair amount of certainty, and maybe some hyperbole that if Whitebeard was alive he'd be able to backhand the entire monster trio into an open fire place without getting out of his drinking chair.
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So do you think we're getting another timeskip? Or like a water 7 train ride power boost?
I think that the first yonko that falls will be by a team effort AND will by the skin of said team's teeth.
The NW will act as the natural trainer that paradise did.
Then when Luffy get's to his second yonko it'll be a 1 on 1 match up.
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I belive i can say, with a fair amount of certainty, and maybe some hyperbole that if Whitebeard was alive he'd be able to backhand the entire monster trio into an open fire place without getting out of his drinking chair.
While making some classic comment about saucy young brats trying to take him on.
Oh Newgate, we miss you so we do.
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Whitebeard really did set the bar too damn high. He was, strengthwise, the kind of guy your nightmares had nightmares about.
Looking at what he did, and then looking back at the Strawhats, it's hard to imagine them taking on someone like that now.
Especially seeing as how this one they're looking at now isn't on medication.
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Whitebeard really did set the bar too damn high. He was, strengthwise, the kind of guy your nightmares had nightmares about.
Looking at what he did, and then looking back at the Strawhats, it's hard to imagine them taking on someone like that now.
Especially seeing as how this one they're looking at now isn't on medication.
I think that the current yonko are probably about as strong as WB was at the end of his life, Oda's way of setting Roger, WB and Garp really into a class of their own, strength wise.
Whitebeard in his prime doesn't even bear to be thought about when it comes to who the SH's are taking on at this moment. The guy should have been in a goddamn hospice but instead he was taking on the WG's top fighters.
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Well WB is dead. The progression of the story is that 11 Super Rookies of "the Worst Generation" will inherit the world. I think people like Roger and WB and young Garp are meant to romance the old era, not act as a direct power comparison. 3 other supernovas are on the move to take down a Yonkou and I have no doubt that they will succeed. I don't think people should be looking at Yonkou like impossible untouchable beings, just a very hard fight.
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Well WB is dead. The progression of the story is that 11 Super Rookies of "the Worst Generation" will inherit the world. I think people like Roger and WB and young Garp are meant to romance the old era, not act as a direct power comparison. 3 other supernovas are on the move to take down a Yonkou and I have no doubt that they will succeed. I don't think people should be looking at Yonkou like impossible untouchable beings, just a very hard fight.
Unless the KHA alliance are in fact also targeting Kaido, then I can't see them achieving their goal.
Luffy has business with Big Mom, he'll be the one to defeat her.
If KHA take her on, then I doubt they'll win.
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I assume they're going after Shanks :ninja:
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Even if they dethrone her they had to resort to dog piling her.
Like that an emperor can probably be overpowered by sheer numbers of strong people isn't something i'm disputing.
But what i am disputing however is that the Strawhats, the Strawhats alone, have any sort of chance against an emperor and his inner circle
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Even if they dethrone her they had to resort to dog piling her.
Like that an emperor can probably be overpowered by sheer numbers of strong people isn't something i'm disputing.
But what i am disputing however is that the Strawhats, the Strawhats alone, have any sort of chance against an emperor and his inner circle
Yeah, well the only ones with sufficient firepower to try it would be the other emperors.
The only one we've seen try to go and brazenly attack a Yonko is Kaido himself.
Gotta get them by themselves, away from their commanders and allies…and yeah just 9 on 1 assault the shit out of them.
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I just loved Cavendish ever since his first appearance in OP, and it's pretty awesome to see him get his first actual showcase here.
And he ain't just a pretty face while he isn't Hakuba either. He wields Durandal and has a very interesting personality imo.So yeah, this chapter was perfect for me although it didn't move the story forward.
LOL @ Doflamingo referring to Usopp as Sogeking. Will that make more influence in the story? I hope so.
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Sometimes all it takes to win is to not fall down when the other guy does. And I'm perfectly fine with that. She didn't win because of physical strength but because she had skill. Since when was finesse a bad thing? A lucky stab can still kill. As can an arrow. Is it because she's a girl? Because, frankly, I doubt we'd be seeing all this shit of some beefed up guy rose up and had blood glistening down his muscles. People would be saying 'Oh wow, he must be strong' or 'Look, he was fast enough not to get killed.'
Fuck this noise. Women don't have to be physically strong. It's fucking sexist to think that. And yes, it is sexist. It's saying you have to be man-like to be considered strong, that being like a man is the better thing. There are different strengths. Hers isn't being muscles and grunting. Hers is getting the fuck out of the way and striking when the enemy over-extends themselves. Rebecca is, so far, my favourite fighter in this tournament because she is using her mind, biding her time, and thinking of survival above glory. That is her character - she wants to survive to bring back her kingdom, to prove that to-death battles shouldn't be entertainment, to show that she's not going to play by the Rules set before her. She uses those rules against her enemies and works hard at helping those who need her help.
She is fighting to win against people's hearts. To her, the enemy isn't in the arena in front of her - it's in the hearts of her people. And she is waging a war on them and Doflamingo using a different kind of fighting. Defensive, not offensive. Because she refuses to let this battle - the one that matters most to her - become entertainment. Because she doesn't fight like others. Because she has a different motive to why and how. That's why people hate her and perceive her as weak - because she's different and feminine. Because, obviously having breasts is a bad thing.
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I wonder what Rebecca herself feels about all this.
She obviously is waaaay out of her league alongside other block winners.She's probably happy that she managed to win. Her goal is to win the tournament and thus get Ace's former DF. And if making use of her extraordinary CoO skills is her way to go about it then that's how it is. No need to feel bad there.
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16 chars of Caven D. Ish
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Sometimes all it takes to win is to not fall down when the other guy does. And I'm perfectly fine with that. She didn't win because of physical strength but because she had skill. Since when was finesse a bad thing? A lucky stab can still kill. As can an arrow. Is it because she's a girl? Because, frankly, I doubt we'd be seeing all this shit of some beefed up guy rose up and had blood glistening down his muscles. People would be saying 'Oh wow, he must be strong' or 'Look, he was fast enough not to get killed.'
Fuck this noise. Women don't have to be physically strong. It's fucking sexist to think that. And yes, it is sexist. It's saying you have to be man-like to be considered strong, that being like a man is the better thing. There are different strengths. Hers isn't being muscles and grunting. Hers is getting the fuck out of the way and striking when the enemy over-extends themselves. Rebecca is, so far, my favourite fighter in this tournament because she is using her mind, biding her time, and thinking of survival above glory. That is her character - she wants to survive to bring back her kingdom, to prove that to-death battles shouldn't be entertainment, to show that she's not going to play by the Rules set before her. She uses those rules against her enemies and works hard at helping those who need her help.
She is fighting to win against people's hearts. To her, the enemy isn't in the arena in front of her - it's in the hearts of her people. And she is waging a war on them and Doflamingo using a different kind of fighting. Defensive, not offensive. Because she refuses to let this battle - the one that matters most to her - become entertainment. Because she doesn't fight like others. Because she has a different motive to why and how. That's why people hate her and perceive her as weak - because she's different and feminine. Because, obviously having breasts is a bad thing.
To be considered physically strong, yep. Gotta have muscles.
To be considered strong as a fighter, not so much. I'd agree with you on that, yeah.
However, people thinking characters have to be big and beefy to be strong isn't a sexist issue. It's just sheer stupidity. Obviously technique, speed, agility etc. can be just as effective as sheer physical strength, so get down off your high horse.
People don't dislike Rebecca because she's "different". They dislike her because she (at least until her block) was portrayed as the typical damsel in distress that wouldn't be able to do anything for herself, that Luffy would have to save. That would just ball up her little fists and cry after she lost her block, only to have her country saved by Luffy.
Now that she won her block, through her own skill by, doing something that no other person in the ring was capable of doing ie dodging Hakuba's attack, I think you'll see a shift in her detractors most likely.
I'm still not wild about her character but I at least don't regard her as cookie cutter anymore.
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I really liked the fact that rebecca was able to dodge Hakuba's attacks.
This means that she's actually pretty good at fighting (or dodging w/e).
I actually think that she'll be the one to eat mera mera no mi and after that luffy will make her join the crew.WHY? Well the answer is simple.
- Mera mera is a logia type fruit. which makes it really rare and unique.
2. Blackbeard is going after rare fruit users.
3. means that if rebecca eats the fruit, Blackbeard might go after her.
4. I know I know, Sabo must be stronger than rebecca/Jesus/Bart. But i don't want him to have that fruit.
5. Why? well he's a revolutionary, after eating that fruit, he'll still go on revolutionary missions, so he won't have much time panel/screen-time with SH's.
6. I want straw hats to have at least 1 logia fruit user. and 7 guys and 2 girls in a crew.. let's face it, i want to have at least 1 more female strawhat on the board.
7. She's a princess so she can't leave? Pffft, there's viola. who's much smarter than rebecca. she'll make a better queen/princess.
A Logia User with excellent CoO would be great on the TEAM. plus , we're really running low on female Logias.
- Mera mera is a logia type fruit. which makes it really rare and unique.
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I can't really stand Rebecca but it's not really her fault.
At least half of it is frustration seeing another Princess-in-distress so soon after Shirahoshi's constant tears and passivity.
Secondly she has been saddled with the worst costume I've seen in the book. It's the epitome of every bad chick-in-chainmail drawing of the last 40 years. I understand the clothing conventions for both male and female gladiators in the Colleseum but can't help but wish anything was different to her design.
Thirdly she's supposedly a fighter of some skill but her moves consist,so far, of dodging with the occasional parry. It's a fact that in manga naming your attacks makes everything better so if she did something like 'Chainmail-Chick-Flash-Step-Disarm!' or 'My-Eyes-Are-Up-Here-Sucker-Punch! she'd automatically be 100% more interesting. Even Vivi had her Peacock-String Attack!
I realize there are in-story reasons for everything she is and does but there's just something so damn generic about her coupled with a lack of real pro-activity that make her damn hard to warm to.
Even Viola has a storyline where she's actively worked to betray Dofla. Rebecca has dodged well.Still a win is a win and I can only hope Oda plans something special for her in the rest of the arc. Other than losing heroically and handing the job over to Luffy, that is.
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I really liked the fact that rebecca was able to dodge Hakuba's attacks.
This means that she's actually pretty good at fighting (or dodging w/e).
I actually think that she'll be the one to eat mera mera no mi and after that luffy will make her join the crew.WHY? Well the answer is simple.
- Mera mera is a logia type fruit. which makes it really rare and unique.
2. Blackbeard is going after rare fruit users.
3. means that if rebecca eats the fruit, Blackbeard might go after her.
4. I know I know, Sabo must be stronger than rebecca/Jesus/Bart. But i don't want him to have that fruit.
5. Why? well he's a revolutionary, after eating that fruit, he'll still go on revolutionary missions, so he won't have much time panel/screen-time with SH's.
6. I want straw hats to have at least 1 logia fruit user. and 7 guys and 2 girls in a crew.. let's face it, i want to have at least 1 more female strawhat on the board.
7. She's a princess so she can't leave? Pffft, there's viola. who's much smarter than rebecca. she'll make a better queen/princess.
A Logia User with excellent CoO would be great on the TEAM. plus , we're really running low on female Logias.
At first you state that you think Rebecca will join.
Then you list a lot of reasons that are forced into position because you want her to join.
It's not going to happen.
Burgess will get the MM and Rebecca will stay in Dressrosa.
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was even confirmed that rebecca use observation haki ?
to me it looked like he "saw" hakuba,not that he heard his "voice"It seems like a fair assumption to make.
Lots of renowned New World fighters taken down but she managed to dodge because of her refined CoO, it makes sense.
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At first you state that you think Rebecca will join.
Then you list a lot of reasons that are forced into position because you want her to join.
It's not going to happen.
Burgess will get the MM and Rebecca will stay in Dressrosa.
1. Im saying that I think and i'm also saying that i want it to happen.
2. you're saying it's not going to happen. but i'm saying that it MIGHT happen.Now reasons why i want her to have logia powers also :
1. She won't be depending on her logia powers for defense. cause she'll still have her dodging reflexes.
2. she'll user it for attacking.Oh and i didn't read all the past pages.
Did anyone ever mention a theory about hakuba?
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It seems like a fair assumption to make.
Lots of renowned New World fighters taken down but she managed to dodge because of her refined CoO, it makes sense.
yeah,it makes sense,but it is not confirmed,and also it's not actually what we saw in this chapter,she is seeing him with her eyes,observation haki is something that make you "hear" the voice of people,you can use it with your eyes closed if you want (actually sandersonia used it with her eyes closed)
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It'd take a pretty significant (read: traumatic) experience for someone to just change not only their personality, but their NATURE. And how exactly did she show herself to be stronger than everyone in her block save Cavendish? Did she take out even one named character?
She said her mother told her that hurting people was bad when she was a kid and you're reading an awful lot into that to say it defines her as a person. Her fighting style is geared towards coliseum fighting and it's served her fine up until now. She's expressed a desire to take out Doflamingo which suggests she's not against harming people if she needs to and we don't know what she's capable of when push comes to shove because push hasn't come to shove yet. She didn't take out a named character, but then the only people that did that were Orlumbus and Hakuba. Cavendish didn't, and neither did anybody else in the block.
deus ex machina (via Wikipedia): "a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object". A seemingly impossible problem (Rebecca winning block D despite being incapable of taking out the likes of Rolling Logan, let alone a monster like Cavendish) is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of a character and event (Cavendish suddenly becomes Hakuba, takes out literally every one of Rebecca's opponents for her, then lies down and takes a nap himself to get rid of another character she has 0 chance of beating in a legitimate fight). Looks like the textbook definition of deus ex machina to me.
'Seemingly unsolvable' is our key disagreement here. Until Hakuba there was nothing to indicate who was going to win block D except for our own prejudices. As far as I'm concerned, Rebecca still could have won. Once Hakuba appeared he himself was the problem, and Rebecca's avoiding being taken out was a result of her amply foreshadowed speed, so not a deus ex machina.
Croc and Enel underestimated Luffy because they deemed themselves superior while fighting him, as they had clear advantages at first, then Luffy suddenly displayed a trait they'd never seen before. That's what surprised them. At no point did Rebecca show any feat that indicates she's in the same stratosphere as Luffy, unless you count getting pinned down by someone that's eating to be "equal". The reason Rebecca was in awe about Luffy's ability, and the others were not, is because Rebecca isn't in the same league as these monsters. I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise.
So I did a double-check and as far as I can tell your 'in awe' refers to the single panel immediately after Luffy one-shots Hajrudin. She expresses surprise that Luffy would be that strong. Cavendish meanwhile says 'of course' or something similar. It's not the level of strength that surprises her, but the person it's coming from. Cavendish isn't surprised because he knows Luffy by reputation. He expected that level of strength out of him, while Rebecca didn't.
It's the same tournament, and we can see the speed at which the fighting occurs. Both Rebecca and Bluegilly dodged fodder with ease and were not hit by named characters until a character pulled off a block clearing move. And before you make the argument that Rebecca dodged Cavendish's attack, she did not, this is a fact.
The fact that it's the same tournament doesn't mean squat. You can't make a comparison based on fodder and the named characters all have wildly variable stats. Unless two people fight each other or the same single enemy there's little means of comparing them, and even then circumstances have to be accounted for too. We don't actually see the speed at which the fighting occurs because manga doesn't move, so what we see is what Oda wants to show us at the pace that conveys what he wishes to convey. Sometimes three panels represent more time passing in-universe than an entire chapter.
Cavendish may not have done much on panel in block D, but pretty much nobody got any meaningful panel time. However, he displayed pretty impressive feats of strength matching Don Chinjao and slamming Luffy to the ground. Oda already showed us that Cavendish is a beast, he merely told us that Cavendish's other personality is even more impressive. Also, I highly doubt a Vice Admiral would call Cavendish's non-Hakuba personality a "prodigy with the sword" if there wasn't something backing it.
So Cavendish is a total beast who nevertheless failed to take out any named characters in his block, something you earlier in this very same post tried to use as evidence against Rebecca? And when Bastille says Cavendish is good with a sword that means something but when Sabo says Rebecca is fast that's meaningless? Come on. At least be consistent.
A pyrrhic victory is basically a victory that might as well be a defeat: Rebecca wins block D, but she's going to be pummeled by Jesus Burgess in the next round instead, which I'd imagine is going to do a whole lot more damage than what anyone in block D could pull off. She may as well have lost already. And if by some miracle Rebecca does win, then chances are slim to none that this is accomplished without employing deus ex. In which case, my original point about Rebecca being poorly handled plot wise still stands.
You still don't know that she's going to be beaten, and she definitely doesn't know that she's going to be beaten, so until that actually happens you are wrong. And since the phrase comes from a real life battle in which the victor suffered such great losses that it wasn't worth it, you are still using it wrong. Rebecca hasn't lost anything. Even if she loses in the final she won't have lost anything.
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was even confirmed that rebecca use observation haki ?
to me it looked like he "saw" hakuba,not that he heard his "voice"Toy Soldier (when he was a human) probably CoO user and train Rebecca to master it to a certain level. And what observation haki have anything to do with voice hearing?
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At first you state that you think Rebecca will join.
Then you list a lot of reasons that are forced into position because you want her to join.
It's not going to happen.
Burgess will get the MM and Rebecca will stay in Dressrosa.
I'm sure Burgess will win. I mean, why bring Sabo back at this crucial point to make him actually win the fruit? No way, let's make him lose.
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yeah,it makes sense,but it is not confirmed,and also it's not actually what we saw in this chapter,she is seeing him with her eyes,observation haki is something that make you "hear" the voice of people,you can use it with your eyes closed if you want (actually sandersonia used it with her eyes closed)
Observation Haki is an ability to sense other/living thing's presence.
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yeah,it makes sense,but it is not confirmed,and also it's not actually what we saw in this chapter,she is seeing him with her eyes,observation haki is something that make you "hear" the voice of people,you can use it with your eyes closed if you want (actually sandersonia used it with her eyes closed)
Because random asspull power makes way more sense than CoO, right?
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Toy Soldier (when he was a human) probably CoO user and train Rebecca to master it to a certain level. And what observation haki have anything to do with voice hearing?
with observation haki you hear (in your head) the voice of your opponent that tells you what his intentions are..tht means you don't have to see someone to know he is attacking you and how.
but in this chapter we see rebecca using her eyes to detect hakuba,and also sabo said that she "saw" the attack,she didn't predicted it,she just used human instinct and pure speedof course until oda says something about it,it's just my assumption
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with observation haki you hear (in your head) the voice of your opponent that tells you what his intentions are..tht means you don't have to see someone to know he is attacking you and how.
but in this chapter we see rebecca using her eyes to detect hakuba,and also sabo said that she "saw" the attack,she didn't predicted it,she just used human instinct and pure speedof course until oda says something about it,it's just my assumption
CoC is use to sense other peoples presence. And there's a level of mastery for the use of it.
You must be confused it with Gol D Roger's ability …
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Because random asspull power makes way more sense than CoO, right?
why random?
she trained since she was a child in his own fighting style,that bases everything on speed and reversals.it's an asspull that she is actually really good at what she does?
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why random?
she trained since she was a child in his own fighting style,that bases everything on speed and reversals.it's an asspull that she is actually really good at what he does?
So it makes more sense to you that Soldier-san taught her how to dodge and run away instead of teaching her CoO (the logical choice in this case)? Sure, whatever makes you happy, buddy.
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with observation haki you hear (in your head) the voice of your opponent that tells you what his intentions are..tht means you don't have to see someone to know he is attacking you and how.
but in this chapter we see rebecca using her eyes to detect hakuba,and also sabo said that she "saw" the attack,she didn't predicted it,she just used human instinct and pure speedof course until oda says something about it,it's just my assumption
CoO is pretty ambiguous. Sometimes, as with the Boa sisters and Enel, it looks like it manifests as sensing people's intentions, but then Sanji used it to find Kinemon's torso in the lake, which I can't see a way of doing if it was just sensing intentions, so there must be a spatial awareness aspect to it as well.
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CoC is use to sense other peoples presence. You must be confused it with Gol D Roger's ability …
by feeling just the presence you shouldn't be able to know what kind of attack your opponent is going to do without even looking at it
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So it makes more sense to you that Soldier-san taught her how to dodge and run away instead of teaching her CoO (the logical choice in this case)? Sure, whatever makes you happy, buddy.
counting that last chapters toy soldier itself made an entire speech around human instincts and didn't said the word haki even once,yeah it's possible..not everyone knows haki,even if we are in the new world,so it's totally possible that he doesn't even know what haki is..the gladiator prisoners didn't know what haki was,and they are friends with rebecca
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CoO is pretty ambiguous. Sometimes, as with the Boa sisters and Enel, it looks like it manifests as sensing people's intentions, but then Sanji used it to find Kinemon's torso in the lake, which I can't see a way of doing if it was just sensing intentions, so there must be a spatial awareness aspect to it as well.
the way i see it,is juts like hearing things but with your head..so you can detect people by hearing their voice and knowing from what direction the "voice" came,and at the same time if you focus enough you can heard the "intentions" of your opponent listening to said "voice"
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CoO is pretty ambiguous. Sometimes, as with the Boa sisters and Enel, it looks like it manifests as sensing people's intentions, but then Sanji used it to find Kinemon's torso in the lake, which I can't see a way of doing if it was just sensing intentions, so there must be a spatial awareness aspect to it as well.
Actually it's explained well in the chapter 597. Before they start, Rayleigh sense the presence and can measure the strength of monsters in the island to tell how many creatures stronger than Luffy. So it's must be an easy thing find Kinemon's torso using CoO
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Actually it's explained well in the chapter 597. Before they start, Rayleigh sense the presence and can measure the strength of monsters in the island to tell how many creatures stronger than Luffy
yeah,and then he knows that the elephant is going to attack him and how without even looking at it.
same for sandersonia when she fought against luffy..and probably ener did the same at least once.
if all you can feel with CoO is "presence",you shouldn't be able to know how your opponent is going to attack you.
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yeah,and then he knows that the elephant is going to attack him and how without even looking at it.
same for sandersonia when she fought against luffy..and probably ener did the same at least once.
if all you can feel with CoO is "presence",you shouldn't be able to know how your opponent is going to attack you.
also..didn't coby had problems with his observation haki,because he kept hearing everybody's voice without any control ?What Coby felt is peoples emotion, the same way with Aisa sense Wiper's anger or Otohime sense his people suffering
There's no rules for eyes to be close/open!
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I'm sure Burgess will win. I mean, why bring Sabo back at this crucial point to make him actually win the fruit? No way, let's make him lose.
There's a difference between Burgess getting the fruit and Burgess beating Sabo to get the fruit lol.
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There's no rules for eyes to be close/open
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never said there is a rule about that:wassat:.
but the fact that someone can dodge with his eyes closed with observation haki,means that the "voice" or "presence" carries some informations about the attack that the opponent is going to do,so CoO doesn't detect only the "presence" of someone.
and if said information is carried by the CoO,it means that you don't have to see the opponent with your eyes,but it's what rebecca had to do to see hakuba in this chapter,we can see her try to focus her eyes and see hakuba's movement.
also sabo himself said that she "saw" the attackand anyway,i'm not saying i'm totally sure it is not observation haki,just that there's the possibility that she is just really good at what she focused all her life,speed and dodging.
for anything more than that,we need Oda
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never said there is a rule about that:wassat:.
but the fact that someone can dodge with his eyes closed with observation haki,means that the "voice" or "presence" carries some informations about the attack that the opponent is going to do,so CoO doesn't detect only the "presence" of someone.
and if said information is carried by the CoO,it means that you don't have to see the opponent with your eyes,but it's what rebecca had to do to see hakuba in this chapter,we can see her try to focus and see hakuba's movement.
also sabo himself said that she "saw" the attackand anyway,i'm not saying i'm totally sure it is not observation haki,just that there's the possibility that she is just really good at what she focused all her life,speed and dodging.
for everything more than that,we need Oda
Yes, CoC can be used to read enemy's next movement, but there's no voice involve.
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Actually it's explained well in the chapter 597. Before they start, Rayleigh sense the presence and can measure the strength of monsters in the island to tell how many creatures stronger than Luffy. So it's must be an easy thing find Kinemon's torso using CoO
Fair enough, forgot about that bit. Thanks.
In Rebecca's case it's hard to tell because we only get a couple of panels, but:
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In the upper right panel it doesn't look like she's looking toward Hakuba. It's hard to tell because he's only represented by the black blur effect, but it looks to me like he's coming at her from her left. In the next panel she's moving her head and her eyes are still forward. Given the time frame for Hakuba's movements, I don't think she's had time to turn and face him, which suggests CoO.
Of course it could just be a case of peripheral vision, but when he was moving so fast that the majority of people couldn't see him at all, CoO becomes the most likely reason that she noticed him.
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Dofla doesn't KNOW where Luffy is. Sabo took his place remember?
you are completly clueless as to what robby is saying
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I'm just confused with your hearing voice thing, it's like you saying CoO can be use for intercepting other poeple's communication
naah,it's not that kind of voice..but it's actually how it is called several times in the manga.i'm comparing haki's voices to real coices because they act on the same principles,you can detect someone by hearing them,and you can know their intention by hearing them said it.
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As far as I remember there using CoO has never been described as "seeing". For sure it has been described as "hearing" and if I'm not mistaken as "sensing".
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Fair enough, forgot about that bit. Thanks.
In Rebecca's case it's hard to tell because we only get a couple of panels, but:
In the upper right panel it doesn't look like she's looking toward Hakuba. It's hard to tell because he's only represented by the black blur effect, but it looks to me like he's coming at her from her left. In the next panel she's moving her head and her eyes are still forward. Given the time frame for Hakuba's movements, I don't think she's had time to turn and face him, which suggests CoO.
Of course it could just be a case of peripheral vision, but when he was moving so fast that the majority of people couldn't see him at all, CoO becomes the most likely reason that she noticed him.
I think Rebecca saw it coming, but Hakuba win in speed/faster. CoO is useless if the opponent's faster
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From impression I get from the panels it seems like Rebecca saw Hakuba coming at her, I mean with her physical eyes.
Of course it can't be seen as a prove that she has CoO or as an argument against it.
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From impression I get from the panels it seems like Rebecca saw Hakuba coming at her, I mean with her physical eyes.
that's the same impression i got,also there is sabo said that she saw the attack coming.
that's why i think it's not CoO