I figured it'd be Barto vs Rebecca and Burgess vs Sabo.
Anyone else going near Burgess would be in for a short short match
I figured it'd be Barto vs Rebecca and Burgess vs Sabo.
Anyone else going near Burgess would be in for a short short match
trying to avoid Greg now lol
Why's that? Like I said, I was sitting next to him when he first revealed it.
All the excitement probably isn't good for his health or something.
The reason is a perfectly decent one and I think we should leave it at that.
As far as his daily health is concerned, aside from the cigs, I assure you, he is 110% fine.
@Monkey:
Gohan didn't stop the Videl fight.
He didn't because the other dude stopped Spopovish but he was mid-way
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I figured it'd be Barto vs Rebecca and Burgess vs Sabo.
Anyone else going near Burgess would be in for a short short match
What If is a a free for all
@CCC:
Yeah… I guess. Still a bit unclear, imo, because Cav's whole fame-fantasy angle when he starts talking to himself and roleplaying involves more stereotypical rockstar/groupie stuff. He enjoys the fanboys/girls and signing autographs and that kind of thing, which seems a little at odds with getting off on his reputation as a terrifying serial killer. But maybe he just wasn't ready to reveal that angle to Luffy and Rebecca.
Well, what's certain Cavendish loves fame so any theory has to have that aspect at the center. Second, I doubt he's a dark character but the gray area is wide enough.
However, it's also possible Bastille's description was only his interpretation of the events. Maybe Cavendish just enjoyed all the attention after waking up either without knowing what happened or similar to Usopp who uses any opportunity to stand in the middle.
I figured it'd be Barto vs Rebecca and Burgess vs Sabo.
Anyone else going near Burgess would be in for a short short match
Barto vs Rebecca might either be too short if ODA wants to stress difference in leagues or absurdly long due to their defensive traits, if their techniques seem to match each other to a tee. Barto sends a barrier attack, Rebecca dodges then tries to outbalance barto. Barto uses a Barrier to hold himself and prevent the counter measure then launchs another barrier which rebecca Manages to avoid… Wash rinse and repeat until stamina diminishes and both end up on the ground due to exhaustion....
Why's that? Like I said, I was sitting next to him when he first revealed it.
That's not the reason. It's a perfectly decent reason and I think we should leave it at that.
Clearly Oda was only going to FESTA all these years in order to meet Greg. He's done that now so has no need to return.
As far as his daily health is concerned, aside from the cigs, I assure you, he is 110% fine.
Good to hear.
Oh man, has anyone thought of how a Bartolomeo vs Rebecca match up would be handled? I mean on one side there´s Barto with his Barriers (of course he can attack with them ) but its in general a defensive ability; on the other hand there´s Rebeca waiting for a chance to dodge and counter using the enemy´s strenght. What I´m trying to get at is that this kind of match up might end up being a staring contest before resolving. I´m not speaking about power here but about how both of their techniques are based around defense..
Lol I just hope that Sabo doesn´t have a defensive fruit or this might end up being the most defensive tournament finalee I´ve seen in manga. Just in case if he does, well I´ll sign this post with date and hour lol…
Barto against Rebecca goes like this:
:DDoes anyone else here think that Don Flamingo might use King Riku as a special "surprise" aspect of the final fight. He might send him out like in a traditional gladiator event. I think there is a good chance for this to happen and it could also provide an opportunity for character development for Rebecca.
Barto against Rebecca goes like this:
:D
I ROFLed hard at that one. It would be an excruciating experience indeed :ninja:
show me another series like this, the only one I can think of, off the top of my head is adventure land, but that's just because it's all about random…. the only other one maybe is One Punch man.... and that's a stretch
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
Gold Digger?
now that ive thought on it for a bit if it does go down one on one the match ups going the obvious a vs b and c vs d is most likely
from a story telling point of view i dont think sabo will face bart and having sabo face becky makes for some interesting dialogue b4 rebecca inevitbly gets her ass kicked(both have good reasons for wanting the fruit becky also thinks sabo is lucy:ninja:)
I think Barto will lose to Sabo or Burgess (Not Rebecca) and when he does, he will blow up the suitcase he left beside Cavendish earlier and use the panic to steal the Mera Mera no Mi.
@CCC:
Exactly, so to the Japanese reader, the murdering alter-ego's name makes perfect sense instantly. They would probably wonder from the very start where the "Hakuba" actually originally came from- was it Cavendish's epithet first? Or was it first the murderer's name? If the latter, did Cavendish hear stories about him and adopt the nickname?
Lends more credence to the idea that Cavendish is fully aware of his other half (not that he's conscious while the other half is out, but aware that it exists).
yet he seems to be a carefree person with a attitude like nothing to hide..if he really knows about his alter ego but behave like that,then he is a very complex character notwithstanding his split personality…
may be you are right,but i can think of a alternative scenario....he noticed whichever town he had visited,the legend of the 'hakuba' followed..he started to think it as divine intervention and adopted a white horse to signify it or boost his ego...
@RobbyBevard:
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
Gold Digger?
never watched teenage mutant ninja turtles and I've never heard of Gold digger….. are they any good?
and yeah I imagine there are a few more examples I just don't know what they are
C'mon people Doflmaingo is not underestimating the Strawhats.
I don't enjoy Rebeca's character but I give her credit for her accomplishments, she was faster than does guys with good observation haki and apparently she was the only one that didn't know about Hakuba but she stayed calm and acted accordingly to the situation, so props to her.
I wonder what Oda is planning since her deal is to stop Toy Soldier and be happy but the assault already started and she's still on the game and with guys that are way above her level.
Most people don't know about Hakuba(makes me think a Mokuba). That mostly include those in the ring.
Most people don't know about Hakuba(makes me think a Mokuba). That mostly include those in the ring.
Look at that scene again and you'll noticed that everyone except for Rebeca knew right away what was going, that's why three guys jumped him at once and Suleiman attacked him right away, you can also see it by their expression as soon as Cavendish starts acting weird.
This chapter was alright. Cool insight into cavendish. Great touch to chain law to the heart chair. I hate the coliseum chapters in this arc, so I'm hoping the next one steps out for a while. I'm curious to see Franky's fight.
Look at that scene again and you'll noticed that everyone except for Rebeca knew right away what was going, that's why three guys jumped him at once and Suleiman attacked him right away, you can also see it by their expression as soon as Cavendish starts acting weird.
Seems to me that they were taking there chances because Cavendish fell asleep. But your interpration is probably more valid thsan mine. I still think I'm right because of the describtion of the rumor, the marines and the crowd ignoring what happened and Sabo's comment finishing with a "but"
Im actually more of a Law fan than a Doffy fan. But anyways, there is no indication of him having any knowledge about Nico Robins intellectual abilities, and Zoro does not yet have a bounty or reputation enough for being considered a threat to Doflamingo+Fujitora.
The story will obviously end up in favour of your argument here, but i just want to throw the word "Underestimating" out of the window, because the key word here is that the SHs are strategically outmanouvering DD, thanks to mostly tons of LUCK (Usopp being able to pursue the dwarf thanks to his prior knowledge of Norland, Barto saving Bellamy and bellamy in turn showing luffy the exit; and sabo showing up to take the costume of lucy to not arise suspicion about luffys absence).
Saying that Doflamingo is underestimating the SHs atm is like saying the SHs underestimated big mom because they didnt predict that her ship would arrive in search of them/ceasar.
I am sorry that would be even worse.Even if he hadn't done his research using the Navy's resources to find out more about her this is a woman who has had a huge bounty on her head since she was a small child. Anybody who can survive this is not to be under estimated. And even with little research you can see that Zoro is a beast. Even if he can't match Dofla or an Admiral directly he can still do a huge amount of dmage
Yeah but that's the think. It may be luck but it also follows the pattern of the Straw Hats usual behavior where they constantly defeat opponents by pulling stuff out of nowhere. Dofla should know this but instead is arrogant enough to treat them like any other enemy who does a simple frontal attack
And all this while having dozens of incredibly powerful fighters he is trying to trick and neutralize as well
Dofla is practically begging for it
luffy is not exactly the brightest pirate alive…he probbaly wouldn't have found the exit alone.
also,he has diamante there,so if he does something umpredictable,he will know it immediately..but diamante said nothing (because now sabo is there with lucy's clothes),so he is still guarding luffy,but he is victim of a magic trick (sabo and revolutionary involvement)he is just saying that at the moment,with the infos in his possession,he is winning..and for what he knows,he is right,but there are several things he doesn't know because thay were umpredictable..and even if they do occur,he still all all his men in all the right spots..remember that the port,the factory,the palace,it's all connected,moving something from one place to another it's really easy,that's why he is not concerned on where robin and usopp are..there are two doors to his knowledge,and he is protecting both with all his crew + an admiral
if croco had the same amount of caution back in alabasta (and it's not like croco wasn't cautious at the time),the strawhats would probably be dead now.
Idiots can actually be more dangerous when it comes to such situations because they would try things that no sane rational person would do. And Diamante is just one person who is quite likely utterly no match for Luffy. Not to mention that putting Luffy as whole inside there is incredibly stupid. This is a man who managed to temporarily unite various Impel Down prisoners,revolutionaries and Crocodile. Who allied with Law. And Dofla threw him in a place full of high powered people that Luffy could potentially influence
And that's exactly how every other villain in the show is thinking. That's what's disappointing.
Seems to me that they were taking there chances because Cavendish fell asleep. But your interpration is probably more valid thsan mine. I still think I'm right because of the describtion of the rumor, the marines and the crowd ignoring what happened and Sabo's comment finishing with a "but"
Nah, they were trying to take him out before Hakuba takes over, is a rumor but apparently is a famous one and is completely valid for those contestants to expect it, you can also confirmed it by how Oda showed their faces right before Hakuba takes over.
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Do you think Cavendish will go to the medical room? I mean he really has no reason since he is unhurt from the block fight.
Sadly it seems Caven is gonna end up as an ally of Luffy. I hope I'm just being pessimistic.
I think Barto will lose to Sabo or Burgess (Not Rebecca) and when he does, he will blow up the suitcase he left beside Cavendish earlier and use the panic to steal the Mera Mera no Mi.
I am still baffled by why everyone assumes that Burgess is this incredibly powerful beast? Seriously we have seen absolutely and utterly nothing to indicate this. The only real thing we have seem from him is that he couldn't use Haki two years ago making him essentially helpless vs Ace and that he threw a house which is not that impressive. Of course spending two years in the Gran Line would have made him stronger but I don't see him being much more impressive then say Sanji
I am still baffled by why everyone assumes that Burgess is this incredibly powerful beast? Seriously we have seen absolutely and utterly nothing to indicate this. The only real thing we have seem from him is that he couldn't use Haki two years ago making him essentially helpless vs Ace and that he threw a house which is not that impressive. Of course spending two years in the Gran Line would have made him stronger but I don't see him being much more impressive then say Sanji
He's an emperor's commander. Even if he was supposedly the weakest among them, which i doubt.
He'd still be leagues beyond any strawhat at the moment. If they went against any emperors crew they'd be wiped out.
I think Barto will lose to Sabo or Burgess (Not Rebecca) and when he does, he will blow up the suitcase he left beside Cavendish earlier and use the panic to steal the Mera Mera no Mi.
Judging by how casual Bart is acting towards Sabo I think its safe to assume that Luffy told Bart to help Sabo get the Mera-Mera.
He's an emperor's commander. Even if he was supposedly the weakest among them, which i doubt.
He'd still be leagues beyond any strawhat at the moment. If they went against any emperors crew they'd be wiped out.
I wouldn't put it past Luffy to be at a commander level.
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Nah, they were trying to take him out before Hakuba takes over, is a rumor but apparently is a famous one and is completely valid for those contestants to expect it, you can also confirmed it by how Oda showed their faces right before Hakuba takes over.
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To me they are just noticing the guy falling asleep in the middle of a fight. And the fodders takes their chances on him. Then he goes Berserk-mode they realize he is indeed hakuba and that he is now awaken.
Not to mention that putting Luffy as whole inside there is incredibly stupid. This is a man who managed to temporarily unite various Impel Down prisoners,revolutionaries and Crocodile.
You're thinking of the genius mastermind Warlord, Buggy the great. Luffy had nothing to do with that, the full credit (publicly) goes to Buggy.
Do you think Cavendish will go to the medical room? I mean he really has no reason since he is unhurt from the block fight.
He might be asked to go for a checkup anyway.
! Usopp and Robin can't handle Trebol
Can't stop the Hakuba Train and it escapes from the toy pit to solo Trebol for them
To me they are just noticing the guy falling asleep in the middle of a fight. And the fodders takes their chances on him. Then he goes Berserk-mode they realize he is indeed hakuba and that he is now awaken.
Some notice just a guy falling asleep, while most of the others (to me) have a worried look on their face as if they know of what might happen. Then again everyone is fighting and is obviously going to have tense faces and just happened to look over at caven sleep then suddenly lose.
I am still baffled by why everyone assumes that Burgess is this incredibly powerful beast? Seriously we have seen absolutely and utterly nothing to indicate this. The only real thing we have seem from him is that he couldn't use Haki two years ago making him essentially helpless vs Ace and that he threw a house which is not that impressive. Of course spending two years in the Gran Line would have made him stronger but I don't see him being much more impressive then say Sanji
Well he helps blackbeard hunt down people, I doubt him and the other 'weak no screen time' people are constantly defeated resulting in a constant 1v1 fight with blackbeard with him winning all the time.
He might be asked to go for a checkup anyway.
! Usopp and Robin can't handle Trebol
Can't stop the Hakuba Train and it escapes from the toy pit to solo Trebol for them
But Sai did fight and get damaged. They could be checking for internal damage and stuff. Cavendish is literally unscratched. He is even in better shape than the winner. I don't see what excuse they would use.
So you guys are saying that Sabo was defaulted from D block.
hmm..i always thought it was Spartan, the one taken down by Luffy before the start of tourney.
Looking back, now it just seems silly that Meadows was secretly Kaido.
Of course it was Cavendish who had split personality when he sleeps that blitzes everybody except Rebecca.
@RobbyBevard:
You're thinking of the genius mastermind Warlord, Buggy the great. Luffy had nothing to do with that, the full credit (publicly) goes to Buggy.
I remember the jailbreak having 3 official mastermind: Luffy(the one who came from the outside), Buggy(the one who escaped from the inside) and Ivankov(leader of the disappeared prisoners). And that big alliance came to marineford doing everything they can to free Ace and protect Luffy afterwards.
I wouldn't say Doffy is underestimating the SHs. He just doesn't know shit bout whats Happening right now. Usoppe and Robin used the dwarves' secret tunnel to reach the Basement. Doffy couldn't know that. Luffy got outta the Colloseum with Bellamy's help, he also couldn't know that. What Doffy should know is that Bellamy could be really pissed bout DD. It'd be funnier if Caven doesn't know shit bout Hakuba. He'd think he alone is worth so much bounty. It'd be hilarious if he finds out that "another person" brought him all the fame! Question is: is that stuff Canon-noteworthy or is it future coverstory-stuff?
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@The:
Doflamingo headed back to the palace because he was confident that it was impossible for Luffy to escape the Coliseum.
It wasn't.
= Doflamingo underestimated Luffy.
Not really; it's more like he misjudged Bellamy? Since Luffy only got out because of Bellamy, that suggests that he might have had trouble doing so otherwise … so maybe Doflamingo's confidence is well placed?
Doflamingo has no idea where Usopp and Robin are, but he assume they are of no consequence. He also assumes his underground is impossible to reach.
Usopp and Robin have currently infiltrated the underground.
= He underestimated them.
He didn't dismiss them as inconsequential … he listed them specifically with Zoro and Kinemon; ie he knows everyone in play ... but is confident that with al his excellent, trusted officers in place at the Toy House and in the Palace, nobody will ever get into the underground. Which, again, seems justifiable.
The only people he's actually 'undersestimated' or at least misjudged the character of would be the dwarves ... (and Bellamy to an extent, although he did order Bellamy's elimination). Which, I think, is quite nice. Neither of those are actually directly serious threats to him ... Mr Soldier might get to the palace, the supposedly super strong dwarves to the factory, but in the end Doffy can destroy one, and I think it's pretty safe to say his top officers can handle a dwarf army just fine. It's nice that these little elements just giving a little info here, digging a tunnel there ... that's what's indirectly bringing about his downfall.
I also like all the Rommel=London stuff and that Caven is based on Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. Now OP has its own "Lunch" (the 2personality Girl from DB/DBZ), but that I've already posted in the Spoiler thread. The only thing I don't like is that Rommel sounds more dutch/german than british.
Look at that scene again and you'll noticed that everyone except for Rebeca knew right away what was going, that's why three guys jumped him at once and Suleiman attacked him right away, you can also see it by their expression as soon as Cavendish starts acting weird.
For all we know they just noticed a big name player letting their guard down in the middle of a fight. There's no indication they knew anything about Hakuba. Bastille knows because he was actually tracking him down, and was lead to the conclusion that he and Cavendish were the same person. Even Sabo had only 'heard rumors'. I doubt that the contenders really knew what was going on until it all went down.
There is this weird english movie from the 70´s that is called "Dr Jekyll and sister Hyde".
Centers around the classic story line of "Dr jekyll and mr Hyde" but in this movie the main character starts using female hormones to live longer, but a side effect is that he is turned into an evil murderous woma and to keep the experiment going he has to kill young women.
Would be hilarious if it turns at that Ivankov messed up Cavendish with some female hormones.
Nah, they were trying to take him out before Hakuba takes over, is a rumor but apparently is a famous one and is completely valid for those contestants to expect it, you can also confirmed it by how Oda showed their faces right before Hakuba takes over.
You could just as easily assume that because Cavendish is one of the top contender for the prize the moment he showed weakness and fell asleep during the middle of fight some of them would be alarmed and confused like Rebecca and others would try to capitalize on it. Judging from Bastille's comments Hakuba isn't a well known thing, none of the marines accompanying him knew about it and it's their job to hunt pirates. It's Cavendish that is famous not to mention that even if they knew that Cavendish was Hakuba unless they were monitoring him like the Marines they wouldn't know what the trigger for that transformation would be or if he even needed a trigger. To imply that the contestants not only knew that Cavendish was Hakuba but also knew what his trigger would be and made no preparations before the match and made no move to switch to a defensive stance after they noticed him falling asleep insist that they didn't know what was going on and their expressions are both alarm and confusion at a man who many thought could win the entire torny dropping for no reason right before them.
He's an emperor's commander. Even if he was supposedly the weakest among them, which i doubt.
He'd still be leagues beyond any strawhat at the moment. If they went against any emperors crew they'd be wiped out.
Unless Luffy is going to go through another training phase or there is going to be another time skip I don't think Luffy's power will increase by leagues by the time they face off against a Yonkou's crew. The goal at the end of this arc is Kaidou. They're currently being chased by Big Mom's crew and they have just sent her a bomb. One way or another they're about to head up against a Yonkou's main crew very very soon. I'm not saying Nami is going to take them on and Sanji could barely handle Vergo (even though Vergo was of the same rank as Pica, Diamante, and Trebol) but Luffy and Zoro should be able to stand up to people like Burgess at this point otherwise they're picking fights with people they can't beat.
Unless Luffy is going to go through another training phase or there is going to be another time skip I don't think Luffy's power will increase by leagues by the time they face off against a Yonkou's crew. The goal at the end of this arc is Kaidou. They're currently being chased by Big Mom's crew and they have just sent her a bomb. One way or another they're about to head up against a Yonkou's main crew very very soon. I'm not saying Nami is going to take them on and Sanji could barely handle Vergo (even though Vergo was of the same rank as Pica, Diamante, and Trebol) but Luffy and Zoro should be able to stand up to people like Burgess at this point otherwise they're picking fights with people they can't beat.
Isn't that exactly what Law made clear that they are doing?
The Strawhearts combined have a 30% chance to get at Kaido. That says it all doesn't it?
You could just as easily assume that because Cavendish is one of the top contender for the prize the moment he showed weakness and fell asleep during the middle of fight some of them would be alarmed and confused like Rebecca and others would try to capitalize on it. Judging from Bastille's comments Hakuba isn't a well known thing, none of the marines accompanying him knew about it and it's their job to hunt pirates. It's Cavendish that is famous not to mention that even if they knew that Cavendish was Hakuba unless they were monitoring him like the Marines they wouldn't know what the trigger for that transformation would be or if he even needed a trigger. To imply that the contestants not only knew that Cavendish was Hakuba but also knew what his trigger would be and made no preparations before the match and made no move to switch to a defensive stance after they noticed him falling asleep insist that they didn't know what was going on and their expressions are both alarm and confusion at a man who many thought could win the entire torny dropping for no reason right before them.
Unless Luffy is going to go through another training phase or there is going to be another time skip I don't think Luffy's power will increase by leagues by the time they face off against a Yonkou's crew. The goal at the end of this arc is Kaidou. They're currently being chased by Big Mom's crew and they have just sent her a bomb. One way or another they're about to head up against a Yonkou's main crew very very soon. I'm not saying Nami is going to take them on and Sanji could barely handle Vergo (even though Vergo was of the same rank as Pica, Diamante, and Trebol) but Luffy and Zoro should be able to stand up to people like Burgess at this point otherwise they're picking fights with people they can't beat.
Don't differentiate Zoro from Sanji.
They've been built up for the entire series as having roughly the same power. That isn't going to change. Anyone Zoro can realistically take on, Sanji can too.
Just because Sanji has had some bad luck against some powerful opponents post timeskip doesn't mean that he and Zoro are no longer in the same league.
Luffy could probably take on Burgess right now, maybe even Zoro or Sanji could put up a fight. However, if you think the first actual yonko we see go down is going to be a one man effort by Luffy, and in only 2 or 3 arcs time, then that's just crazy.
They have 30% chance in this moment, at the question is, how much will that increase to by the time they face Kaidou.
They have 30% chance in this moment, at the question is, how much will that increase to by the time they face Kaidou.
I always assumed that the plan was to weaken Kaido and maybe make it a fifty-fifty.
But now it's not even clear if Law ever inteded for them to take on Kaido
Fire Fist Ace, marco, jozu..that is the level we are talking about when it comes to Yonkous elite Commanders. Luffy, Zoro or Sanji could put up a fight, but are still some way from being able to match/beat someone like Burgess.
That Sabo replace Luffy is for me, a fast way for Luffy to avoid a defeat by replacing Burgess with a weaker opponent, namely Flamingo. By this logic, Sabo > Luffy.
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Agree on that, and another part of the equation is the continued growth of the Mugiwaras.
I always assumed that the plan was to weaken Kaido and maybe make it a fifty-fifty.
But now it's not even clear if Law ever inteded for them to take on Kaido
I thought he meant that the entire plan, with the goal of taking Kaido's head only had a 30% chance of working, not that they currently had a 30% chance of defeating Kaido if they fought him at that point.
Still like you said, it's a moot point until we find out what Law's real intentions have been.
Isn't that exactly what Law made clear that they are doing?
The Strawhearts combined have a 30% chance to get at Kaido. That says it all doesn't it?
The chance of success vs Doflamingos cartel + top guys + Kaidou entire army of Zoan users + his top guys + Kaidou is 30% which as convoluted as this plan is turning out to be is pretty high when you look at everything involved so far. But the chance of success against any one of these pieces individually is currently unknown and I'm assuming it to be higher. Yonkou's are powerful in their own right yes, but the thing that makes them emperors if i'm recalling correctly is the large number of men they can call to arms. Rarely do they themselves get involved but instead send one of their many underlings so the power of them in a one on one fight is probably not as impossible as you're making it sound. Is Burgess strong, probably very, but this is the New World. Everyone is very strong. At this point in the series Luffy must be ready to take on the Yonkou, maybe not their entire operation. That would require finesse. He has to at least be strong enough to stand up to them on a 1vs1 though. Otherwise those two years are wasted. He's not getting that much stronger from this point on so he should be able to handle most of the people who aren't Yonkou.
Fire Fist Ace, marco, jozu..that is the level we are talking about when it comes to Yonkous elite Commanders. Luffy, Zoro or Sanji could put up a fight, but are still some way from being able to match/beat someone like Burgess.
That Sabo replace Luffy is for me, a fast way for Luffy to avoid a defeat by replacing Burgess with a weaker opponent, namely Flamingo. By this logic, Sabo > Luffy.
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Agree on that, and another part of the equation is the continued growth of the Mugiwaras.
u think Don Flamingo is weaker than burgess? lol
He will be able to put up a fight at this moment but he is nowhere near the level of being able to win. The new World is a journey for Luffy where his Haki will go through a couple of level ups in a manner like he managed to control his DF in the old World.
I thought he meant that the entire plan, with the goal of taking Kaido's head only had a 30% chance of working, not that they currently had a 30% chance of defeating Kaido if they fought him at that point.
Still like you said, it's a moot point until we find out what Law's real intentions have been.
The chance of success vs Doflamingos cartel + top guys + Kaidou entire army of Zoan users + his top guys + Kaidou is 30% which as convoluted as this plan is turning out to be is pretty high when you look at everything involved so far. But the chance of success against any one of these pieces individually is currently unknown and I'm assuming it to be higher.
Huh. I guess that's a popular notion then.
I never considered that to be anything more than a marker on how hard it would be to actually get at Kaido.
Yonkou's are powerful in their own right yes, but the thing that makes them emperors if i'm recalling correctly is the large number of men they can call to arms. Rarely do they themselves get involved but instead send one of their many underlings so the power of them in a one on one fight is probably not as impossible as you're making it sound. Is Burgess strong, probably very, but this is the New World. Everyone is very strong. At this point in the series Luffy must be ready to take on the Yonkou, maybe not their entire operation. That would require finesse. He has to at least be strong enough to stand up to them on a 1vs1 though. Otherwise those two years are wasted. He's not getting that much stronger from this point on so he should be able to handle most of the people who aren't Yonkou.
Yeah no i still think that both the emperors and admirals are beyond their reach atm. Both Zoro and Sanji were recently handled with ease by two highrollers, and the emperors are both one step beyond those that had no problem with Luffy's two best men.
And Blackbeard has a really small crew. So ever one of his men must be of the highest caliber.
The chance of success vs Doflamingos cartel + top guys + Kaidou entire army of Zoan users + his top guys + Kaidou is 30% which as convoluted as this plan is turning out to be is pretty high when you look at everything involved so far. But the chance of success against any one of these pieces individually is currently unknown and I'm assuming it to be higher. Yonkou's are powerful in their own right yes, but the thing that makes them emperors if i'm recalling correctly is the large number of men they can call to arms. Rarely do they themselves get involved but instead send one of their many underlings so the power of them in a one on one fight is probably not as impossible as you're making it sound. Is Burgess strong, probably very, but this is the New World. Everyone is very strong. At this point in the series Luffy must be ready to take on the Yonkou, maybe not their entire operation. That would require finesse. He has to at least be strong enough to stand up to them on a 1vs1 though. Otherwise those two years are wasted. He's not getting that much stronger from this point on so he should be able to handle most of the people who aren't Yonkou.
The power of a yonko in a 1 on 1 fight? Are you serious?
Look at we've seen from the Yonko so far.
Whitebeard took on all 3 admirals and a future yonko, and that when he was old and sick.
Shanks then stopped the conflict all that took place in, just by showing up.
The Yonko aren't sending out underlings so that they themselves can avoid fights, they're doing it because they have business in their own territories to take care of.
Mingo vs Burgess, no idea.
I made the comment from the fact that Oda had to take Luffy out from the Coliseum. In my eyes it is due to him not being able to beat one or more of the opponents. One of them, in my view, is Burgess.
Luffy will beat Mingo at some point, maybe alone or with help by others.