Only if you read way too much into the most controversial chapter of One Piece. It got pooped on pretty bad by Oda leaving the actual intended meaning so disgustingly ambiguous there, but I still don't see how it could be read fully as a sexist moment. It just doesn't fit.
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yeah if Coby keeps on improving at the same rate, he will eventually reach Luffys level, but we will probably need another time skip for that to happen.
And that's where Ace's words to Luffy comes in, "when you're 10, we'll be 13"
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What if Kaidou is a creature from the beginning, and thus having the title of "the strongest creature in the world" will not collide with WB's title.
Yeah, I also slowly think that Kaidou may be sum weird animal hybrid like Bepo or Pekoms who seem to be "uncomfirmed minkmen" (from the slave/Price-list @ SA). B2T: Did you read the very 1st Posts from this thread which are from 2007? Sum fans there wrote already back then that Kuzan could leave the navy. I humbly bow b4 those guys.
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And that's where Ace's words to Luffy comes in, "when you're 10, we'll be 13"
But Coby is improving at faster rate than Luffy, and if they both keep on improving at the same rate, Coby should be able to catch up with him.
Also, strength difference between 10-year-old and 13-year-old is much greater than a difference between 20-year-old and 23-year-old. -
But Coby is improving at faster rate than Luffy, and if they both keep on improving at the same rate, Coby should be able to catch up with him.
Also, strength difference between 10-year-old and 13-year-old is much greater than a difference between 20-year-old and 23-year-old.Wuo where did you saw that? And no, Coby will not catch up with Luffy, he can put up a fight but that's it.
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But Coby is improving at faster rate than Luffy, and if they both keep on improving at the same rate, Coby should be able to catch up with him.
Also, strength difference between 10-year-old and 13-year-old is much greater than a difference between 20-year-old and 23-year-old.It's not literally meant to be taken as a 3 year strength gap.
It's just saying that even if x increases to y's level, it won't reach y cause it'll also be increasing.
I'd say Coby and Luffy's strength increase has been pretty even incidentally.
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Wuo where did you saw that? And no, Coby will not catch up with Luffy, he can put up a fight but that's it.
Have you seen how much he improved in less than a year?
Compare Coby from the beginning of the story with a coby at marineford.
Then compare Luffy from the beginning of the story with a Luffy at marineford.
It looks to me like Cobys transformation was more impressive than Luffys.
Of course, I don't think that current Coby is a match for Luffy, I think Luffy will defeat him with one shot few more times before EOS.
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Wuo where did you saw that?
Pretty obvious: Did you see Coby when he was with Aluvida? He was a total coward and you can't even said he had any strength at that time. In W7 Coby had a HUGE increase of power (and also char-"strength"). Of course Luffy will always be stronger than Coby, but by the end of the story their gap will be incredibly small cause Coby's strength increased faster than Luffy's yet. During TS both had the same push: Luffy trained with Ray and Coby (obviously) trained with Garp.
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Pretty obvious: Did you see Coby when he was with Aluvida? He was a total coward and you can't even said he had any strength at that time. In W7 Coby had a HUGE increase of power (and also char-"strength"). Of course Luffy will always be stronger than Coby, but by the end of the story their gap will be incredibly small cause Coby's strength increased faster than Luffy's yet. During TS both had the same push: Luffy trained with Ray and Coby (obviously) trained with Garp.
Yeah but you've got to take into account that it was always going to be easier for Coby to increase his strength than Luffy.
Like with any skill, it takes more and more effort to get less and less noticeable improvement as you get better at it.
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Only if you read way too much into the most controversial chapter of One Piece. It got pooped on pretty bad by Oda leaving the actual intended meaning so disgustingly ambiguous there, but I still don't see how it could be read fully as a sexist moment. It just doesn't fit.
When you coupled that chapter with the comment made to Ener about Robin being a woman it is inderstandable people would think of such thing about Zoro.
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Beast AKA worst chapter 2012 AKA One Piece chapter 687.
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I think you severely misunderstood that chapter, and there's been like 900 pages of discussion about it in the chapter thread and the how women are potrayed in op thread
my impression is that tashigi thinks zoro looks down on women because she has no clue about his past, the reason he didn't use haki on monet is because she was that far below him…. had she actually been a threat to him he would have cut her. he even states this when he says if tashigi didn't cut her he would have (which for some reason people decide he was lying to tashigi)
if zoro can get away without cutting a woman to shreds he will, he has a bit of chivalry, but he's no sanji. If there tough enough opponents that could do major damage to him or simply won't give him any option but to cut them (as monet almost did before Tashigi interfered) he'll cut them down
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if zoro can get away without cutting a woman to shreds he will, he has a bit of chivalry, but he's no sanji. If there tough enough opponents that could do major damage to him or simply won't give him any option but to cut them (as monet almost did before Tashigi interfered) he'll cut them down
I just gave him the chapter. And the title he got from the arwards
Basically Sanji principle but less extreme.
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I think you severely misunderstood that chapter, and there's been like 900 pages of discussion about it in the chapter thread and the how women are potrayed in op thread
my impression is that tashigi thinks zoro looks down on women because she has no clue about his past, the reason he didn't use haki on monet is because she was that far below him…. had she actually been a threat to him he would have cut her. he even states this when he says if tashigi didn't cut her he would have (which for some reason people decide he was lying to tashigi)
if zoro can get away without cutting a woman to shreds he will, he has a bit of chivalry, but he's no sanji. If there tough enough opponents that could do major damage to him or simply won't give him any option but to cut them (as monet almost did before Tashigi interfered) he'll cut them down
I don't know why everyone thinks he is a sexist. It has been out right shown that he doesn't want to fight Tashigi because she look like Kuina, but he didn't interfere with her battle with Monet because Tashigi wanted to handle it and when she almost died he came to help. This is probably one of the most misunderstood things in One Piece.
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I don't know why everyone thinks he is a sexist. It has been out right shown that he doesn't want to fight Tashigi because she look like Kuina, but he didn't interfere with her battle with Monet because Tashigi wanted to handle it and when she almost died he came to help. This is probably one of the most misunderstood things in One Piece.
I agree 10000000000%
people can't seem to figure it out no mater how many times it's said
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Anyone who defends that chapter does not deserve to read OP.
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Anyone who defends that chapter does not deserve to read OP.
don't try to be Monkey King
and it's your understanding of it that's wrong bub
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Anyone who defends that chapter does not deserve to read OP.
Indeed, the story would have been better If Tashigi loses an arm
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This chapter isn't the most controversial for nothing.
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This chapter isn't the most controversial for nothing.
This.
I understand what Oda was trying to do with this chapter, it's just that it was so poorly executed that it's not a surprise if a lot of people hate it. -
Anyone who defends that chapter does not deserve to read OP.
Do we need to have a fight over this? Because you can count me amongst its "defenders".
I will criticize it for totally unreasonable ambiguity and really messy writing that seems to imply a different thing that it's actually trying to convey, but if saying it's not meant to be taken to mean Zoro is a sexist is defending it then sure.
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Zoro's a sexist cause he didn't cut a woman in half when he didn't have to…. the nerve
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Anyone who defends that chapter does not deserve to read OP.
Is it lonely on your high horse?
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Is it lonely on your high horse?
16 chars of yes.
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Something I've always wondered. Has it ever been revealed who the 5 Vice Admirals of the Ohara Buster Call were? Considering how the two that were revealed in the manga Sakazuki and Kuzan, you'd think these 5 are far more important than the 5 from the Enies Lobby buster call.
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Zoro's a sexist cause he didn't cut a woman in half when he didn't have to…. the nerve
If it were a man instead, you think he wouldn't?
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If it were a man instead, you think he wouldn't?
Yes, I think he wouldn't. SH's so far aren't killers. + the care he shown both Kaku, and the dock workers while they were protecting Iceburg.
Always thought of that as Oda wrote himself into a corner on 2 fronts 1.) haki, and 2.) How Law was gonna defeat Vergo, virtually main difference being direction of the cut, in the same arc, in a few chapters right after Zoro did his would seem repetitive and frankly weirdly pathetic and boring. Thus Monet got relegated to a fear thing as she wasn't as important as Vergo's loss was also symbolic.
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Yes, I think he wouldn't. SH's so far aren't killers. + the care he shown both Kaku, and the dock workers while they were protecting Iceburg.
It's not as if he would actually kill a man, but come on dude, he physically slashed them all and blood spattered everywhere.
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Oh. I didn't realise this was such a hot topic.
I can understand why some people might take it the wrong way that Zoro didn't slash Monet.
But my initial point was Kuina being alive would ruin Zoro's backstory.
Zoro not slashing Monet doesn't affect Zoro's backstory at all…so I don't really understand why this can has been opened and there are worms everywhere.
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Oh. I didn't realise this was such a hot topic.
I can understand why some people might take it the wrong way that Zoro didn't slash Monet.
But my initial point was Kuina being alive would ruin Zoro's backstory.
Zoro not slashing Monet doesn't affect Zoro's backstory at all…so I don't really understand why this can has been opened and there are worms everywhere.
Depending on your opinion on the chapter it can be take as Zoro acknowledging the the views of his teacher about women and therefore ruining his backstory (at least for some people).
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It's not as if he would actually kill a man, but come on dude, he physically slashed them all and blood spattered everywhere.
That's partly my point from the part you didn't quote. Against a logia, (I bring up logia since Akainu's little unstoppable pathway tirade IMHO says that logia need close to kill shots probably on important organs or repeatedly to truly be stopped for a long enough period to be considered a win or a kill, or make them leave, and because it requires haki to touch/ hurt/ affect them in any way). With haki that cut is/ becomes 1hit Instant K. O. death; even WB would seemingly die from being split in half completely.
The parenthesis also points to the strike he did against Monet actually being 1 of the efficiently deadliest strikes he's done to any opponent. So much so that adding haki but letting her live would've unexplainable even by Oda's standards.
Him choosing to do that right as his 1st move doesn't seem controversial really, but w. e…! (Still don't get how the combination of Tashigi's small strike combined with the 'fear' given by Zoro drove her to claiming to DD that she was basically dieing, but w. e.)…
This is why I say in that situation Oda wrote himself into a corner, thus he slightly abandoned the Monet issue because there still was that big a gulf between their abilities and yeah, bad writing/ pandering definitely; other stuff it's possible but just don't see it that way.
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Oh. I didn't realise this was such a hot topic.
I can understand why some people might take it the wrong way that Zoro didn't slash Monet.
But my initial point was Kuina being alive would ruin Zoro's backstory.
Zoro not slashing Monet doesn't affect Zoro's backstory at all…so I don't really understand why this can has been opened and there are worms everywhere.
Because people need to find something to bitch about constantly. Zoro even said to Kuina when she said he was catching up to her that it was because he was born a man that he was so strong, but Zoro told her to shut up and that he was getting so strong because he worked his ass off everyday and she couldn't use her gender as an excuse. It's like people read the part when Kuina's father comment on women and just stopped watching the episode/ reading the chapter and skipped to the end.
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hearing some people talk about it, you'd think chapter 687 literally constituted a crime against humanity.
anyway, I'm interested to see if anything significant comes of Bastille's presence on Dressrosa. There seems to be a lot of potential for him to get ignored in the turmoil of the Straw Hats vs. Donquixote Family, but we'll just have to wait I guess.
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16 characters of feminists.
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Because people need to find something to bitch about constantly. Zoro even said to Kuina when she said he was catching up to her that it was because he was born a man that he was so strong, but Zoro told her to shut up and that he was getting so strong because he worked his ass off everyday and she couldn't use her gender as an excuse.
What? No, that was the GOOD part about Zoro's backstory, and his character.
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I love how after the sexist thread ended up being closed all of its runoff started leaking into other threads.
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I blame Foolio. :ninja:
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Something I've always wondered. Has it ever been revealed who the 5 Vice Admirals of the Ohara Buster Call were? Considering how the two that were revealed in the manga Sakazuki and Kuzan, you'd think these 5 are far more important than the 5 from the Enies Lobby buster call.
No. We still don't know the identities of the other three.
IIRC, Saul was originally going to be sent there, but he didn't do it because he disagreed with the action.
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anyway, I'm interested to see if anything significant comes of Bastille's presence on Dressrosa. There seems to be a lot of potential for him to get ignored in the turmoil of the Straw Hats vs. Donquixote Family, but we'll just have to wait I guess.
Me too. I haven't commented much on his reappearance, but that's just because it was so strange "hearing" him talk and actually not be behind someone. I quite enjoy unused VAs to finally come ahead and do something else than standing still. I think Bastille was the "last" silent VA for a while (except for Cancer).
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Heck, Bastille even has an epithet, which no other VA has (with the exception of Garp and Smoker of course).
There are a few others. "Great Tactician" Tsuru, Maynard "the Pursuer", and "Demon Bamboo" Vergo.
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There are a few others. "Great Tactician" Tsuru, Maynard "the Pursuer", and "Demon Bamboo" Vergo.
Oh, yeah, forgot about those. Thanks for clearing that up.
Maynard had a title? Bah, Momonga needs one more. Although I do have to wonder, does a title makes someone more important than others? I can understand Garp and Vergo (maybe even Tsuru seeing how she's part of Garp's and Sengoku's clique), but Maynard? Bastille might become a more used Marine character though.What would the other VAs epithets be? Swiftblade Momonga. Longhead Strawberry. Kaiserbeard Stainless. Not-giving-a-damn Yamakaji.
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Oh, yeah, forgot about those. Thanks for clearing that up.
Maynard had a title? Bah, Momonga needs one more. Although I do have to wonder, does a title makes someone more important than others? I can understand Garp and Vergo (maybe even Tsuru seeing how she's part of Garp's and Sengoku's clique), but Maynard? Bastille might become a more used Marine character though.What would the other VAs epithets be? Swiftblade Momonga. Longhead Strawberry. Kaiserbeard Stainless. Not-giving-a-damn Yamakaji.
Okay, I'm bad at thisNah, not really. Look at Moria, 320,000,000 bounty pirate and then a shichibukai. No epithet. It's just a little identifier, doesn't mean anything.
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Nah, not really. Look at Moria, 320,000,000 bounty pirate and then a shichibukai. No epithet. It's just a little identifier, doesn't mean anything.
I guess you're right. Maybe Oda's just having fun with those sometimes. Or just stating something about that character without showing it (T-Bone never really got to cut a ship… only traincars and seakings, what a shame :( ).
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I guess you're right. Maybe Oda's just having fun with those sometimes. Or just stating something about that character without showing it (T-Bone never really got to cut a ship… only traincars and seakings, what a shame :( ).
It would be nice if Epithets could be updated though….
It irks me a bit that Zoro is still known as "Pirate Hunter".
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It would be nice if Epithets could be updated though….
It irks me a bit that Zoro is still known as "Pirate Hunter".
I think it would pose some problems. As I understand, people may remember Zoro not by his name but by that epithet. It just sticks with him because that's how the world got to know him. Changing it would confuse the common-people in the OP universe.
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I think it would pose some problems. As I understand, people may remember Zoro not by his name but by that epithet. It just sticks with him because that's how the world got to know him. Changing it would confuse the common-people in the OP universe.
Yeah I get why they don't change it, but it still irks me.
Tbh even with epithets, the common people of OP are very easily confused and/or buy into fake accounts.
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Yeah I get why they don't change it, but it still irks me.
Tbh even with epithets, the common people of OP are very easily confused and/or buy into fake accounts.
Still remember the great Fake-hats~