It would make no sense for anyone but Teach to be the final villain.
I thought Alvida had it all planned out.
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Been reading One Piece since 2002 - first release in Denmark.
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Alvida/buggy for final villain. :ninja:
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Hmm an interesting thought. Perhaps the one Newgate spoke of in his final moments was…Alvi D. A?
what about the D.
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@Eddar:
Alvi D. A has the will of D.
not everyone have a "D" he has the will
and it's confimed that her name is Alvida not Alvi D. A ~ The Will Of D. ~
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not everyone have a "D" he has the will
and it's confimed that her name is Alvida not Alvi D. AEhh…it was a joke bro. I don't actually think alvida is going to be final villain either, just to clear that up.
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@Eddar:
Alvi D. A has the will of D.
I'm glad that the warden of the north got it at least.
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@Heavenly:
Possibly. Possibly not. Which makes your "this seems to be the only logical ending" and your assurances that One Piece's ending is predictable and laid out before us and you miraculously know how it ends wrong…
Okay It is the only possible ending.
Ships have to be coated to travel through a small underwater passage that is very very deep in order to get to Fishman Island. The only way to create all Blue is to destroy that barrier.
One thing also left out of that Theory discussion is that Rayleigh decided to spend the rest of his Life on the spot of One Piece. He was sitting their drinking his life away rotting away. Shabondy archipelago has to be of some great importance to him. Garp seemed to also know that Rayleigh has been on the Island the whole time and he told everyone under his command to keep it a secret that Rayliegh resides on the Island. It is the spot that the entire crew was separated, reunited and the spot where they started their Journey into the New World. It could also be the spot where Rayleigh started his Journey with Gol D. Roger. There are so many special things about this place that just adds to the epicness that is what will be the ending of One Piece. Oda has given away too many clues. Oda always follows through with his foreshadowing also. He never puts fake clues out there.
Silvers Rayleigh was a real person who coated ships in the New World or on their way to the New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh
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okay
1. Nami's wants to be able to navigate and map out the entire worldShe can already. It's just hard.
2. Sanji want's All Blue. A place where all the world fish can meet.
It was talked about as already existing.
3. Brooke's entire crew died in the calm bealt, including himself.
No they didn't.
4. Luffy is going to destroy Fishman Island, Fishman Island in Directly below Mariejois
It's also not part of the Red Line, it's a coral reef suspended in the water in a bubble.
5. This is also the place where all 4 oceans meet.
So is Reverse Mountain.
7. Blowing up the entire Area will destroy the Calm bealt, make the whole world navigable, and United all the worlds oceans and fish. It will destroy reverse mountain and such.
The world is already navigable, it's just hard.
Also that would destroy the Sea King breeding areas, that seems ecologically terrible for the world ecosystem rather than the happy thing you are trying to describe.
Not to mention it makes no sense. Fish don't just travel everywhere because there's water. There's reasons animals, plants, and sea life have specific homes and travel patterns.
Also I thought we were destroying Mariejois? What does Fishman Isle have to do with Reverse Mountain?8. Luffy wants to be free to do as he pleases and go wherever he wants.
Luffy also loves adventures and tough trials of piracy. So he loves the Grand Line and sees it as the most awesome thing, as many pirates do, this has been in so many words emphasized since Vol.8.
Also artificially altering the earth's nature that much would be terrible eco-terrorism.
9. Destroying this spot will also eliminate the calm belt.
I wish I had access to the original theory one the www.onemanga.com forums. But sadly the owner ditched the site and didnt allow the moderators or anyone else to archive any of it or pay for the site themselves.Probably because it was a terrible forum.
Map of One piece oceans. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/World_of_One_Piece Here is all the proof you need. Fishman Island and Mariejois are right on the middle of this map. There is also The huge hint from the Fishman Island Arc about the importance of Noah's Arc.
Anything is right in the middle of a world map if you frame the map like that.
I really hope this spoiler in a more complete form was posted somewhere before. If someone could find it, that would be awesome.
This is not a spoiler.
Edit: I Left out that an ancient weapon will be used to destroy the area and evacuate the citizens of the area as well. Fishman Island and many other places will need to be evacuated. That is what Noah is for. Luffy will destroy the barrier separating the oceans and destroy Mariejois, Shabondy Archipelago, and fishman Island.
Luffy is going to destroy Shabondy WHY? Why is Luffy turning into a horrible evil person destroying populated islands.
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Nice prediction. It makes more sense than BB being the final villain and Shiliew pulling a power up out of his ass and killing Mihawk.
There is not a single reason BB being the final villain does not make sense.
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How can you say that black beard will be the final villan??
Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc.
Black beard is more probable to be the guy luffy fights before reaching Raftel as both of them wants to be the Pirate King..
No he really isn't.
Once luffy reaches Raftel,Black beard dream to become PK would be shattered so there will be no use of them fighting after that.
When did Blackbeard state his dream was to become PK.
So unless you suggest One Piece will End with raftel where luffy learns the void century and decides to do nothing against the WG Black beard does not seem like the Final Villan.
The revelations on Raftel are going to open up a dangerous shifting time where big things change and the world moves. Not a direct war against the WG. Things like the uncovering and revival of the ancient weapons are not necessarily good things, they are potentially bad as well.
The Raftel revelations destroy the old era, and a new era must be fought for.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.PS. I dont think A simple SH vs WH or a simple BB pirates vs SH would be the final battle… It would be much grand involving revolutionaries, aokiji, other kingdoms,WG and may be blackbeard pirates.. cause if SHs single handedly saves the world it would become much similar to naruto:ninja: hope ODA doesn't do that..
The fight with the BB crew would be the pinnacle and finale of such a war.
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@Eddar:
Agree. But not necessarily the final battle. I want to see Luffy vs Shanks or Luffy vs Coby in the end.
Shanks will be quite dead by that point, Coby? Why does everyone think Oda is setting up a Coby Luffy rivalry? I really don't get that.
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@Monkey:
She can already. It's just hard.
It was talked about as already existing.
No they didn't.
It's also not part of the Red Line, it's a coral reef suspended in the water in a bubble.
So is Reverse Mountain.
The world is already navigable, it's just hard.
Also that would destroy the Sea King breeding areas, that seems ecologically terrible for the world ecosystem rather than the happy thing you are trying to describe.
Not to mention it makes no sense. Fish don't just travel everywhere because there's water. There's reasons animals, plants, and sea life have specific homes and travel patterns.
Also I thought we were destroying Mariejois? What does Fishman Isle have to do with Reverse Mountain?Luffy also loves adventures and tough trials of piracy. So he loves the Grand Line and sees it as the most awesome thing, as many pirates do, this has been in so many words emphasized since Vol.8.
Also artificially altering the earth's nature that much would be terrible eco-terrorism.
Probably because it was a terrible forum.
Anything is right in the middle of a world map if you frame the map like that.
This is not a spoiler.
Luffy is going to destroy Shabondy WHY? Why is Luffy turning into a horrible evil person destroying populated islands.
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There is not a single reason BB being the final villain does not make sense.
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Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc.
No he really isn't.
When did Blackbeard state his dream was to become PK.
The revelations on Raftel are going to open up a dangerous shifting time where big things change and the world moves. Not a direct war against the WG. Things like the uncovering and revival of the ancient weapons are not necessarily good things, they are potentially bad as well.
The Raftel revelations destroy the old era, and a new era must be fought for.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.The fight with the BB crew would be the pinnacle and finale of such a war.
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Shanks will be quite dead by that point, Coby? Why does everyone think Oda is setting up a Coby Luffy rivalry? I really don't get that.
The thing about Blackbesrd wanting to become the Pirate King kinda make sense.
No, it wasn't stated or anything and I am not arguing that.
I just think that its probably true and it would make sense.
Ya know what I mean, right?
Hidden:
This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~
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One thing also left out of that Theory discussion is that Rayleigh decided to spend the rest of his Life on the spot of One Piece.
Saobody is so far off the coast of the Red Line that the Red Line was not visible from it. It isn't by any stretch of the imagination going to be destroyed in anything involving Mariejois.
He was sitting their drinking his life away rotting away.
Happy as a clam with his best girl Shakky.
Shabondy archipelago has to be of some great importance to him.
Or it's a city with good connections to the world that allows him to hide from the government easily.
It could also be the spot where Rayleigh started his Journey with Gol D. Roger.
There are so many special things about this place that just adds to the epicness that is what will be the ending of One Piece. Oda has given away too many clues. Oda always follows through with his foreshadowing also. He never puts fake clues out there.
Every person who has already said this has lost out.
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@Monkey:
Anything is right in the middle of a world map if you frame the map like that, thanks for presenting some rationality.
Woooh, you got me there. XD How can one be so wrong.
I don't see a reason for Coby to fight Luffy either, it's more like he has to be the one standing against the hardliners of his own organization, the Marines. It would be disastrous to see it being broken apart, bringing danger to all the normal countries and citizens around the world controlled by the WG.
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@NER:
The thing about Blackbesrd wanting to become the Pirate King kinda make sense.
No, it wasn't stated or anything and I am not arguing that.
I just think that its probably true and it would make sense.
Ya know what I mean, right?My problem with people saying that this is his ambition kind of plays into us asking what the real point of the Raftel revelations are.
If you get to Raftel and find all that information, then what?
Becoming Pirate King seems to involve a lot more than just getting to the end of the sea.
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1. Nami's wants to be able to navigate and map out the entire world
2. Sanji want's All Blue. A place where all the world fish can meet.
3. Brooke's entire crew died in the calm bealt, including himself.
4. Luffy is going to destroy Fishman Island, Fishman Island in Directly below Mariejois
5. This is also the place where all 4 oceans meet.
6. Fishman Island and the entire area of the Future All Blue is going to be saved using Noah's arc pulled by Sea Kings.
7. Blowing up the entire Area will destroy the Calm bealt, make the whole world navigable, and United all the worlds oceans and fish. It will destroy reverse mountain and such.
8. Luffy wants to be free to do as he pleases and go wherever he wants.
9. Destroying this spot will also eliminate the calm belt.
I wish I had access to the original theory one the www.onemanga.com forums. But sadly the owner ditched the site and didnt allow the moderators or anyone else to archive any of it or pay for the site themselves.
Map of One piece oceans. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/World_of_One_Piece Here is all the proof you need. Fishman Island and Mariejois are right on the middle of this map. There is also The huge hint from the Fishman Island Arc about the importance of Noah's Arc.I really hope this spoiler in a more complete form was posted somewhere before. If someone could find it, that would be awesome.
Can someone try to track down a complete spoiler from this information.?The original spoiler was much better than I can type out while about to pass out from being sleepy. Please do try to tear apart this theory. There are no holes in it. It was considered the true ending to One Piece when it was posted and it was stickied as a spoiler on the One Manga forums that no longer exist.
Edit: I Left out that an ancient weapon will be used to destroy the area and evacuate the citizens of the area as well. Fishman Island and many other places will need to be evacuated. That is what Noah is for. Luffy will destroy the barrier separating the oceans and destroy Mariejois, Shabondy Archipelago, and fishman Island.
Don't kid yourselves. You are all now in on the ending to One Piece. This is the true ending Oda has foreshadowed.
1. "Fan fiction(/predictions)" are not spoilers.
2. You can call them fake spoilers though, like the rest of us.
3. How do I know what you wrote is fan fiction?
4. Cause it makes me nauseous, which has always served me as a pretty reliable alarm signal.
5. Also your numbering is rather confusing.
6. Like is putting a number before almost every sentence a thing to make it seem like you have a large number of compelling arguments?
7. Testing this for myself right now.
8. I don't think it's working…insert snarky remark which reassures everyone that I know more than anyone
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@Monkey:
She can already. It's just hard.
It was talked about as already existing.
No they didn't.
It's also not part of the Red Line, it's a coral reef suspended in the water in a bubble.
So is Reverse Mountain.
The world is already navigable, it's just hard.
Also that would destroy the Sea King breeding areas, that seems ecologically terrible for the world ecosystem rather than the happy thing you are trying to describe.
Not to mention it makes no sense. Fish don't just travel everywhere because there's water. There's reasons animals, plants, and sea life have specific homes and travel patterns.
Also I thought we were destroying Mariejois? What does Fishman Isle have to do with Reverse Mountain?Luffy also loves adventures and tough trials of piracy. So he loves the Grand Line and sees it as the most awesome thing, as many pirates do, this has been in so many words emphasized since Vol.8.
Also artificially altering the earth's nature that much would be terrible eco-terrorism.
Probably because it was a terrible forum.
Anything is right in the middle of a world map if you frame the map like that.
This is not a spoiler.
Luffy is going to destroy Shabondy WHY? Why is Luffy turning into a horrible evil person destroying populated islands.
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There is not a single reason BB being the final villain does not make sense.
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Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc.
No he really isn't.
When did Blackbeard state his dream was to become PK.
The revelations on Raftel are going to open up a dangerous shifting time where big things change and the world moves. Not a direct war against the WG. Things like the uncovering and revival of the ancient weapons are not necessarily good things, they are potentially bad as well.
The Raftel revelations destroy the old era, and a new era must be fought for.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.The fight with the BB crew would be the pinnacle and finale of such a war.
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Shanks will be quite dead by that point, Coby? Why does everyone think Oda is setting up a Coby Luffy rivalry? I really don't get that.
I agree with your take on this theory but Teach most certainly declared his intention to be pirate king.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2547-12/one-piece/chapter-440.html He says as much to Ace when he attempts to recruit him on Banaro Island.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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I agree with your take on this theory but Teach most certainly declared his intention to be pirate king.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2547-12/one-piece/chapter-440.html He says as much to Ace when he attempts to recruit him on Banaro Island.
And what does he say before that.
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I agree with Blackbeard being the final pirate villain but he will not be the final war the Strawhats will be in…
Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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@Monkey:
And what does he say before that.
Eh…Ace be my nakama? I'm not sure what particular Marshall D. Teach quote you're pointing me toward.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Eh…Ace be my nakama? I'm not sure what particular Marshall D. Teach quote you're pointing me toward.
Conquer the world.
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I agree with Blackbeard being the final pirate villain but he will not be the final war the Strawhats will be in…
This is it, right here
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I agree with Blackbeard being the final pirate villain but he will not be the final war the Strawhats will be in…
On the contrary Blackbeard will be a MAJOR player in that war.
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I said that Kuma was 100% a revolutionary before the Shabondy Archipelago arc. You can't call things in the manga that definitely foreshadow something "fan fiction" or "fake spoilers". Oda also made is 100% obvious that DD was a Celestial Dragon. Blackbeard is nowhere near final villian material, let alone a villain to begin with. He has not done anything pure evil like wipe out Robin's entire race/island. If BB was final villian material in Luffy's eyes, Luffy would go ahead and take out Burgess right here and now. The BB battle will be the Climax of the manga, not the ending. BB will be Luffy's toughest opponent, but not the final villain.
And your posts above basically claim that Sanji has already achieved his dream and that Nami's dream is "just hard". You also completely ignore the fact that a bomb big enough to destroy the red line would have to destroy Fishman Island, Mariejois, and Shabondy Archipelago. They are all right on top of one another. You also ignore Noah's arc. It is big enough to evacuate the entire area. Whales and other fish cannot get from one ocean to another and cannot pass the red line or traverse reverse mountain.
What did you say to people who claimed DD was a CD way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who claimed Kuma was a revolutionary way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who said the Mermaid princess was an ancient weapon slightly before it was revealed?Silvers Rayleigh was a real person who coated ships in the New World or on their way to the New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh
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@Monkey:
Conquer the world.
I get your point, but that can be read as conquering the world being the means to fulfilling a dream to be pirate king as well.
I've just always inferred from BB's attitude toward dreams, and his stated goal of being pirate king, that it was in fact his dream as well.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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@Monkey:
On the contrary Blackbeard will be a MAJOR player in that war.
I guess, something like this: Blackbeard + allies vs WG + marines + shichibukia vs Strawhats + allies(an example)… But BB won't be the sole ole focus of the final war....
Big MoM ate - 2012
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I get your point, but that can be read as conquering the world being the means to fulfilling a dream to be pirate king as well.
I've just always inferred from BB's attitude toward dreams, and his stated goal of being pirate king, that it was in fact his dream as well.
His obsession with power means nothing to you?
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I said that Kuma was 100% a revolutionary before the Shabondy Archipelago arc. You can't call things in the manga that definitely foreshadow something "fan fiction" or "fake spoilers". Oda also made is 100% obvious that DD was a Celestial Dragon. Blackbeard is nowhere near final villian material, let alone a villain to begin with. He has not done anything pure evil like wipe out Robin's entire race/island. If BB was final villian material in Luffy's eyes, Luffy would go ahead and take out Burgess right here and now. The BB battle will be the Climax of the manga, not the ending. BB will be Luffy's toughest opponent, but not the final villain.
And your posts above basically claim that Sanji has already achieved his dream and that Nami's dream is "just hard". You also completely ignore the fact that a bomb big enough to destroy the red line would have to destroy Fishman Island, Mariejois, and Shabondy Archipelago. They are all right on top of one another. You also ignore Noah's arc. It is big enough to evacuate the entire area. Whales and other fish cannot get from one ocean to another and cannot pass the red line or traverse reverse mountain.
What did you say to people who claimed DD was a CD way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who claimed Kuma was a revolutionary way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who said the Mermaid princess was an ancient weapon slightly before it was revealed?All of those events had major foreshadowing. Your cobbled together theory does not.
Blackbeard has been set up as a dark version of Luffy for hundreds of chapters and shares his ambition. He is the final villain.
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I guess, something like this: Blackbeard + allies vs WG + marines + shichibukia vs Strawhats + allies(an example)… But BB won't be the sole ole focus of the final war....
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@Monkey:
His obsession with power means nothing to you?
He does have a thing for power doesn't he? Again it just seems like a means to an end. To be pirate king you have to be the most powerful, that definitely seems like Teach's kind of thinking to me.
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@Monkey:
Eventually it would have to focus and wind down with only some combatants left.
And this would be more like an actual war, rather than the single battle we keep calling a war for no good reason.How exactly will that work out you have strong opponents from each part and focusing the war on BB's crew and Luffy's crew like the other powers doesn't exist is kinda dumb, I mean you won't have a bunch of people you can actually fight Akainu and the three admirals in that war, do you
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I said that Kuma was 100% a revolutionary before the Shabondy Archipelago arc.
That was impossible to tell lol. Don't try and pull this on those of us who were reading weekly before that.
You can't call things in the manga that definitely foreshadow something "fan fiction" or "fake spoilers".
You are nowhere near good enough at this to assert anything of the sort kiddo.
Blackbeard is nowhere near final villian material,
And this is why lol.
Talk about blind.let alone a villain to begin with.
….what? Are you saying Blackbeard isn't a villain?
He has not done anything pure evil like wipe out Robin's entire race/island.
He's a power mad loose cannon with a sadistic machivellian crew.
He's also a single individual whose been routinely playing the role of main singular antagonist for awhile now, with constant contrast to Luffy.The WG is largely faceless, with five unnamed old men making scant appearances almost entirely on their own, with Oda suggesting that the ancient powers coverup is a grey issue and not a black issue like most simpletons choose to selectively ignore.
If BB was final villian material in Luffy's eyes, Luffy would go ahead and take out Burgess right here and now.
Why? Also we're still around the halfway point lol.
The BB battle will be the Climax of the manga, not the ending. BB will be Luffy's toughest opponent, but not the final villain.
You don't know what the word "climax" means.
And your posts above basically claim that Sanji has already achieved his dream
lol what
and that Nami's dream is "just hard".
Nami's dream is hard, what about it.
You also completely ignore the fact that a bomb big enough to destroy the red line
The Red Line is not being destroyed period.
Also lol at "a bomb".
would have to destroy Fishman Island, Mariejois, and Shabondy Archipelago.
If that one section of Red Line with Mariejois on top is destroyed, it makes sense that both FI and MJ would be effected.
It still makes no sense at all that Saobody would.They are all right on top of one another.
You're going to not post this comment ever again, unless you can find a single panel that shows the Red Line being visible from Saobody.
Thanks.
This is like saying Loguetown is right on top of Reverse Mountain.You also ignore Noah's arc. It is big enough to evacuate the entire area. Whales and other fish cannot get from one ocean to another and cannot pass the red line or traverse reverse mountain.
Whales can, Laboon's species however doesn't seem to be able to because of their size.
Fish definitely fucking can.
But see here's the thing. Who cares if sea creatures can't access 100% of the ocean…easily.
Is this a problem irl? Oh no! Continents! Poor Atlantic creatures can't get to the Pacific...easily!
BLOW UP PANAMAWhat did you say to people who claimed DD was a CD way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who claimed Kuma was a revolutionary way before it was revealed?
What did you say to people who said the Mermaid princess was an ancient weapon slightly before it was revealed?Are you saying that because one theory is true, all theories are true?
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He does have a thing for power doesn't he? Again it just seems like a means to an end. To be pirate king you have to be the most powerful, that definitely seems like Teach's kind of thinking to me.
And…that's it? He just wants to be Pirate King and that's it? Do you really think he's identical to Luffy in that regard?
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How exactly will that work out you have strong opponents from each part and focusing the war on BB's crew and Luffy's crew like the other powers doesn't exist is kinda dumb, I mean you won't have a bunch of people you can actually fight Akainu and the three admirals in that war, do you
So yeah you completely ignored the second sentence.
Go back and try again.
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@Monkey:
That was impossible to tell lol. Don't try and pull this on those of us who were reading weekly before that.
You are nowhere near good enough at this to assert anything of the sort kiddo.
And this is why lol.
Talk about blind.….what? Are you saying Blackbeard isn't a villain?
He's a power mad loose cannon with a sadistic machivellian crew.
He's also a single individual whose been routinely playing the role of main singular antagonist for awhile now, with constant contrast to Luffy.The WG is largely faceless, with five unnamed old men making scant appearances almost entirely on their own, with Oda suggesting that the ancient powers coverup is a grey issue and not a black issue like most simpletons choose to selectively ignore.
Why? Also we're still around the halfway point lol.
You don't know what the word "climax" means.
lol what
Nami's dream is hard, what about it.
The Red Line is not being destroyed period.
Also lol at "a bomb".
If that one section of Red Line with Mariejois on top is destroyed, it makes sense that both FI and MJ would be effected.
It still makes no sense at all that Saobody would.You're going to not post this comment ever again, unless you can find a single panel that shows the Red Line being visible from Saobody.
Thanks.
This is like saying Loguetown is right on top of Reverse Mountain.Whales can, Laboon's species however doesn't seem to be able to because of their size.
Fish definitely fucking can.
But see here's the thing. Who cares if sea creatures can't access 100% of the ocean...easily.
Is this a problem irl? Oh no! Continents! Poor Atlantic creatures can't get to the Pacific...easily!
BLOW UP PANAMAAre you saying that because one theory is true, all theories are true?
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And...that's it? He just wants to be Pirate King and that's it? Do you really think he's identical to Luffy in that regard?
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So yeah you completely ignored the second sentence.
Go back and try again.
I think that at the root of it, Teach does dream of being pirate king, yes. I would never say that's all it is though. There are far too many unanswered questions about him to even begin to fully map out his machinations.
Obvious things being his "unique" body structure, how he knew about the level 6 prisoners and such.
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All of those events had major foreshadowing. Your cobbled together theory does not.
Blackbeard has been set up as a dark version of Luffy for hundreds of chapters and shares his ambition. He is the final villain.
Bull crap. You are full of it. The Fishman Island arc heavily foreshadows the end of the manga. This is because the Mermaid Princess and Noah are both key pieces to the end. Luffy will Destroy Fishman Island, this theory is the only logical explanation of why he would destroy Fishman Island. Everyone trying to counter this theory never give an explanation as to why Fishman Island must be destroyed.
@Monkey:That was impossible to tell lol. Don't try and pull this on those of us who were reading weekly before that.
You are nowhere near good enough at this to assert anything of the sort kiddo.
And this is why lol.
Talk about blind.….what? Are you saying Blackbeard isn't a villain?
He's a power mad loose cannon with a sadistic machivellian crew.
He's also a single individual whose been routinely playing the role of main singular antagonist for awhile now, with constant contrast to Luffy.The WG is largely faceless, with five unnamed old men making scant appearances almost entirely on their own, with Oda suggesting that the ancient powers coverup is a grey issue and not a black issue like most simpletons choose to selectively ignore.
Why? Also we're still around the halfway point lol.
You don't know what the word "climax" means.
lol what
Nami's dream is hard, what about it.
The Red Line is not being destroyed period.
Also lol at "a bomb".
If that one section of Red Line with Mariejois on top is destroyed, it makes sense that both FI and MJ would be effected.
It still makes no sense at all that Saobody would.You're going to not post this comment ever again, unless you can find a single panel that shows the Red Line being visible from Saobody.
Thanks.
This is like saying Loguetown is right on top of Reverse Mountain.Whales can, Laboon's species however doesn't seem to be able to because of their size.
Fish definitely fucking can.
But see here's the thing. Who cares if sea creatures can't access 100% of the ocean...easily.
Is this a problem irl? Oh no! Continents! Poor Atlantic creatures can't get to the Pacific...easily!
BLOW UP PANAMAAre you saying that because one theory is true, all theories are true?
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And...that's it? He just wants to be Pirate King and that's it? Do you really think he's identical to Luffy in that regard?
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So yeah you completely ignored the second sentence.
Go back and try again.
Kiddo? I have been reading One Piece since 2006. And I guess I will now begin to look up all the evidence you demand, even though your claims are worse and have been wrong and disproved throughout the thread.
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_9 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_10 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_11 [http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12S](http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12)o now you are dead wrong once again. In the Last page he is pointing straight down to fishman Island and they are at Shabondy Archipelago. And the other pages also show that Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois. So can you can proceed to appologize and take back what you said because you are 100% wrong.
Silvers Rayleigh was a real person who coated ships in the New World or on their way to the New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh
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@Monkey:
So yeah you completely ignored the second sentence.
Go back and try again.
Even taking that sentence into account, I still find it a little weird (is not the word) but that's what a war is, so I'm fine with it
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Bull crap. You are full of it. The Fishman Island arc heavily foreshadows the end of the manga. This is because the Mermaid Princess and Noah are both key pieces to the end. Luffy will Destroy Fishman Island, this theory is the only logical explanation of why he would destroy Fishman Island. Everyone trying to counter this theory never give an explanation as to why Fishman Island must be destroyed.
Foreshadow what exactly? Luffy destroying Fishman Island means that is time for them to move to the surface (Probably water 7) and knowing how they still don't have so much trust on humans they will most likely oppose leaving Luffy with only one solution which is destroy Fishman Island once and for all
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Bull crap. You are full of it. The Fishman Island arc heavily foreshadows the end of the manga. This is because the Mermaid Princess and Noah are both key pieces to the end. Luffy will Destroy Fishman Island, this theory is the only logical explanation of why he would destroy Fishman Island. Everyone trying to counter this theory never give an explanation as to why Fishman Island must be destroyed.
You are full of it.
You are full of it.
You are full of it.
You are full of it.
You are full of it.
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Teach is an evil version of Luffy, desires an evil version of the freedom Luffy wants, has a crew with at least three evil counterparts of the Strawhats, is responsible for the most pivotal arc in the series pre-timeskip, outright declared war on the world, killed one of the last members of the "old guard" of pirates, will probably go after Luffy's idol (and succeed), and is named after the most famous pirate of all time.
He's perfect final villain material.
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Bull crap. You are full of it. The Fishman Island arc heavily foreshadows the end of the manga. This is because the Mermaid Princess and Noah are both key pieces to the end. Luffy will Destroy Fishman Island, this theory is the only logical explanation of why he would destroy Fishman Island. Everyone trying to counter this theory never give an explanation as to why Fishman Island must be destroyed.
Kiddo? I have been reading One Piece since 2006. And I guess I will now begin to look up all the evidence you demand, even though your claims are worse and have been wrong and disproved throughout the thread.
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_9 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_10 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_11 [http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12S](http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12)o now you are dead wrong once again. In the Last page he is pointing straight down to fishman Island and they are at Shabondy Archipelago. And the other pages also show that Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois. So can you can proceed to appologize and take back what you said because you are 100% wrong.
What you've managed to prove from your clearly extensive research is geographical proximity between 3 locations, not the set in stone ending of One Piece. Sorry to break it to you bro.
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Bull crap. You are full of it. The Fishman Island arc heavily foreshadows the end of the manga. This is because the Mermaid Princess and Noah are both key pieces to the end. Luffy will Destroy Fishman Island, this theory is the only logical explanation of why he would destroy Fishman Island. Everyone trying to counter this theory never give an explanation as to why Fishman Island must be destroyed.
Kiddo? I have been reading One Piece since 2006. And I guess I will now begin to look up all the evidence you demand, even though your claims are worse and have been wrong and disproved throughout the thread.
http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_9 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_10 http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_11 [http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12S](http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12)o now you are dead wrong once again. In the Last page he is pointing straight down to fishman Island and they are at Shabondy Archipelago. And the other pages also show that Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois. So can you can proceed to appologize and take back what you said because you are 100% wrong.
Of course he's pointing down, FI is underwater for God sake and he did that figuratively, not literally for FI direction not actual location.. what the hell man? what are you, cartoon? there is no way real person can be this dense.. do you think that he supposedly pointing 45 degree downward for FI to not directly under Sabaody Island?
and seriously, i don't remember anybody predicted that Dofla is a tenryubito and Kuma is a Revolutionary when volume 25 came out or before volume 50 for Dofla and volume 49 for Kuma..Oda literally drop so many hint for Dofla and for Kuma, it was 50-50.. we know nothing of him and he knew Luffy heritage and relationship with Dragon..
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Aohige read the theories and said they were highly probable. It was a theory put together by myself and My December on those other forums.
Of course he's pointing down, FI is underwater for God sake and he did that figuratively, not literally for FI direction not actual location.. what the hell man? what are you, cartoon? there is no way real person can be this dense..
and seriously, i don't remember anybody predicted that Dofla is a tenryubito and Kuma is a Revolutionary when volume 25 came out or before volume 50 for Dofla and volume 49 for Kuma..Oda literally drop so many hint for Dofla and for Kuma, it was 50-50.. we know nothing of him and he knew Luffy heritage and relationship with Dragon..
there is nothing to bring home about for people that were managed to get that right in the first place.HE also says the Fishman Island is Directly 10,000 meters down. All 3-4 pages show that you are being ignorant and ignoring cannon. All three locations are one on top of the other. It cannot be any clearer.
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Aohige read the theories and said they were highly probable. It was a theory put together by myself and My December on those other forums.
HE also says the Fishman Island is Directly 10,000 meters down. All 3-4 pages show that you are being ignorant and ignoring cannon. All three locations are one on top of the other. It cannot be any clearer.
i don't know but is "Fishman Island is Directly 10,000 meters down" the same with "Fishman Island is Directly 10,000 meters down right under Sabaody arc."?
or after this you might want to come out with Skypiea is floating right above Sabaody arc because Zoro mention that Skypeia is 10000 meter up in those pages..
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Links have been provided were BlackBeard says he wants to conquer the world and become a PK ,that is his ambition.
And The FINAL Battle will happen only after luffy reaches Raftel and becomes Pirate King,thereby destroying Black Beard's Dream.
Oda ,himself,has stated that destroying the dreams of person is equal to killing the person himself,
and tell me why luffy would be fighting a dead guy ??.:wassat:
And alsoenlight me on why has Oda, set Coby Luffy rivalry?Can't Blackbeard just kill Luffy and be crowned The New Pirate King? I mean, why are you treating it like a one time race of some sort? :wassat:
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Please click through pages 9-12. Their are images and everything. The translation is 100% accurate and Aohige and The woman who used to give us the Sunday spoilers, until she got in trouble, both said Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois and Shabondy Archipelago.
Silvers Rayleigh was a real person who coated ships in the New World or on their way to the New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh
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Kiddo? I have been reading One Piece since 2006.
And I've been reading from before that, no one's impressed here.
And I guess I will now begin to look up all the evidence you demand, even though your claims are worse and have been wrong and disproved throughout the thread.
I wonder where those mysterious posts proving me wrong are that you are insisting exist. [> So now you are dead wrong once again. In the Last page he is pointing straight down to fishman Island
lollll, a vague hand gesture is what you take as proof?
What, did you expect Hatchi to do a measured coordinate point?
If I say I live near New York City does that mean that if Manhattan exploded I would be exploded too?
Red Line at that point is a massive wall/mountain, if Oda meant for Saobody to be next to Red Line, he would draw Red Line in the background. At no point either in Vols 51 and 52, OR again in 61, does he ever do this.
End of discussion.and they are at Shabondy Archipelago. And the other pages also show that Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois. So can you can proceed to appologize and take back what you said because you are 100% wrong.
Wait wait wait lollllllll
Are you saying, based on Hatchi's casual gesture of "we are at the bottom of the sea".
That Fishman Island is literally directly below them….even though it's under the Red Line directly below Mariejois...at the same time??
Are you like completely spacially retarded or what.](http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24922_one-piece-chapter-496/page_12) -
Please click through pages 9-12. Their are images and everything. The translation is 100% accurate and Aohige and The woman who used to give us the Sunday spoilers, until she got in trouble, both said Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois and Shabondy Archipelago.
You do know that Marineford is much closer to Mariejois than Shabondy is, right?
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Please click through pages 9-12. Their are images and everything. The translation is 100% accurate and Aohige and The woman who used to give us the Sunday spoilers, until she got in trouble, both said Fishman Island is directly below Mariejois and Shabondy Archipelago.
So you're saying Aohige also believes a complete physical impossibility? Somehow I doubt this very much!
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@Monkey:
Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc.
No he really isn't.
There is not a single reason BB being the final villain does not make sense.
When did Blackbeard state his dream was to become PK.
The revelations on Raftel are going to open up a dangerous shifting time where big things change and the world moves. Not a direct war against the WG. Things like the uncovering and revival of the ancient weapons are not necessarily good things, they are potentially bad as well.
The Raftel revelations destroy the old era, and a new era must be fought for.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.The fight with the BB crew would be the pinnacle and finale of such a war.
Why does everyone think Oda is setting up a Coby Luffy rivalry?Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc states that black beard will be luffy's biggest obstacle to achieve his dream which is BECOMING A PIRATE KING not that he will be a final villan.
Links have been provided were BlackBeard says he wants to conquer the world and become a PK ,that is his ambition.
And the FINAL Battle will happen, only after luffy the revelations in Raftel, whoever it may be with(only Oda knows for sure).
Oda ,himself,has stated that Luffy destroys the dreams of a person that is equal to killing the person himself, so why would luffy be fighting black beard after destroying his dream??.:wassat:On another note: And also enlight me on why has Oda, set Coby Luffy rivalry?
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Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc states that black beard will be luffy's biggest obstacle to achieve his dream which is BECOMING A PIRATE KING not that he will be a final villan.
So I don't think you understand what symbolism is because as a narrative unit? Like if we got out the gear and measured it? It outweights the crap out of everything else.
Blackbeard being given symbolic contrast with Luffy is the number one thing pointing to his role as the final villain. And I mean final final.
Because symbolism plays into the POINT of the series. How Oda wants to make Luffy the hero who fits his quest, how Oda wants to comment on his ultimate message of the series, how Oda wants to wrap it altogether.
Blackbeard plays into ALL of that. It's why he pretty much HAS TO be the final villain.You can't brush that aside as marginally important, it's incredibly important. And no such thing at all has been established with the Gorusei or Akainu. Or friggin' Coby.
What do YOU think One Piece is about anyway? What's the main theme? Right now it looks like you're just looking at it all superficially, as a series of actions that lead to other actions. Would you say Blackbeard isn't directly plugged into the main point in his way?
Links have been provided were BlackBeard says he wants to conquer the world and become a PK ,that is his ambition.
And my whole point is that being Pirate King is about a lot more than reaching Raftel. And that as you just said, Blackbeard has ambitions far larger than prestige (he's never shown interest in that) and simply the same exact thing Luffy does.
Reminder, this is not my interpretation. Oda already established that Luffy has his own view of what being Pirate King means, the most free person in the sea.
So given that, what do you think Blackbeard wants out of Raftel. Do you really think it's just an adventure and freedom?And the FINAL Battle will happen, only after luffy the revelations in Raftel, whoever it may be with(only Oda knows for sure).
Final war. And it does not have to have just two players. It would most likely be many sided.
Oda ,himself,has stated that Luffy destroys the dreams of a person that is equal to killing the person himself, so why would luffy be fighting black beard after destroying his dream??
Oda is a fan of a series called "Dragonball" you may have heard of before.
In this series there is a major quest (several times over) to collect magical balls.
But once you complete the quest, even if you beat someone else to it? There's a chance that the reward can be stolen out from under you, with the wish being intercepted by someone else. This was attempted several times in Dragonball.Do you see what I'm getting at here?
And also enlight me on why has Oda, set Coby Luffy rivalry?
He hasn't.
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Metric assloads of obvious symbolism, narrative framing etc states that black beard will be luffy's biggest obstacle to achieve his dream which is BECOMING A PIRATE KING not that he will be a final villan.
Links have been provided were BlackBeard says he wants to conquer the world and become a PK ,that is his ambition.
And the FINAL Battle will happen, only after luffy the revelations in Raftel, whoever it may be with(only Oda knows for sure).
Oda ,himself,has stated that Luffy destroys the dreams of a person that is equal to killing the person himself, so why would luffy be fighting black beard after destroying his dream??.:wassat:On another note: And also enlight me on why has Oda, set Coby Luffy rivalry?
He is ignoring Cannon directly from the manga that has pictures and everything clearly illustrated. I agree with you that BB battle will be the Climax of the manga and not the ending of the manga. Apparently Monkey King doesnt know the difference between the climax and the ending because he tried claiming I was using it wrong. Unless he was trying to say i dont know what an orgasm is, then that would be very immature, dumb, and trying to insult me because he has nothing to back up his claims. In either case he is wrong.
@asm00200:Here: http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/24951_one-piece-chapter-522/page_10
Thanks for providing a link that proves they are right next to one another. It took Law no time at all to sail from Shabondy to Marineford. Your link just shows how close they all are to one another. I forgot about that panel, thanks it just further backs up what I have been saying and what Hachi was claiming in the earlier pages I posted.
Silvers Rayleigh was a real person who coated ships in the New World or on their way to the New World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh
