But it seems to me the intent of the words meant the same thing so I don't see the problem
Since when did "Number 2" and "Vice Captain" mean the same? You might aswell say Zoro is Captain since people have mistakenly thought and called him Captain…
But it seems to me the intent of the words meant the same thing so I don't see the problem
Since when did "Number 2" and "Vice Captain" mean the same? You might aswell say Zoro is Captain since people have mistakenly thought and called him Captain…
Again, I responded to the post to show what Oda wrote. An implied statement that Zoro was second in command, since I don't think the Strawhats really care either way. Not to understand what Urouge thinks on the matter.
An implied statement using the word "number two" which is open entirely to interpretation, as the Japanese reader said.
A statement that walks in line with Urogue knowing he has the second biggest bounty.
Bounties being a terrible measure of such in-crew status things.
It sounds like you don't think character's in series have perspectives, certain limited knowledge etc.
That they all just know everything and act like direct mouthpieces for the author. That's insane.
Stop arguing against Aohige.
Again, I responded to the post to show what Oda wrote. An implied statement that Zoro was second in command, since I don't think the Strawhats really care either way. Not to understand what Urouge thinks on the matter.
Damn dude don't you get it yet? Monek King just told you Urogue probably called Zoro second cuz he had the 2nd highest bounty in the crew, how's this so hard to understand?
Who the hell is Urogue?
Damn dude don't you get it yet? Monek King just told you Urogue probably called Zoro second cuz he had the 2nd highest bounty in the crew, how's this so hard to understand?
My original post was to you, the manga said first mate, you were wrong. Wanna blame translations, go ahead. All it sounds like to me is just a bunch a people going crazy when someone dares to say Zoro is VC.
Are you guys saying Urouge don't know shit or that the translation didn't even say that to begin with. Choose a point and argue it please.
Are you guys saying Urouge don't know shit or that the translation didn't even say that to begin with. Choose a point and argue it please.
Both, because firstly as Monkey King said Urouge doesn't know anything about the inner workings and social structure of the Straw Hats and Urouge didn't actually say first mate.
Both, because firstly as Monkey King said Urouge doesn't know anything about the inner workings and social structure of the Straw Hats and Urouge didn't actually say first mate.
That doesn't make sense to me cause MK said was that Urouge really said was 'Zoro is second as in bounty' (which isn't opinion, it's fact)
Pick a point
1 Urouge implied 'first mate' but it doesn't matter cause he knows nothing
2 Urouge didn't imply 'first mate' so there's nothing to argue but his comment isn't up for debate since he was talking about bounty
My original post was to you, the manga said first mate, you were wrong.
NO. IT. DID. NOT.
Wanna blame translations, go ahead.
One more post like this and I'm sending the man an invitation to this thread.
Now either an angry Japanese guy could make a fool of you directly, or you can just stand down and stop being insanely stubborn for no good reason.
All it sounds like to me is just a bunch a people going crazy when someone dares to say Zoro is VC.
I don't even have a stance on this, I think Nami and Zoro both have some degree of special stature in the crew, and that we'll never have a real answer.
I'm just shutting down your incredibly blatantly wrong "evidence".
Are you guys saying Urouge don't know shit or that the translation didn't even say that to begin with. Choose a point and argue it please.
Urogue knows Zoro has the second highest bounty, and DOESNT know shit about who is what in the crew.
The translation said fucking number two said the Japanese speaker.
BOTH are two different points stabbing your terrible argument.
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That doesn't make sense to me cause MK said was that Urouge really said was 'Zoro is second as in bounty' (which isn't opinion, it's fact)
Pick a point
1 Urouge implied 'first mate' but it doesn't matter cause he knows nothing
2 Urouge didn't imply 'first mate' so there's nothing to argue but his comment isn't up for debate since he was talking about bounty
The point was Urogue wouldn't know first mate, so your interpretation of "number two" is impossible. And the interpretation of "number two bounty" is the only one that makes sense. Because as Aohige said "number two" is vague.
Oh man, not this shit again - -
The manga NEVER states that Zoro is a Vice-captain/First-mate of the SH crews.
and Urouge said Zoro is a No.2 of the group, which he referred to the amount of bounty.
by the way…back to the thread, I say no new nakama in this arc :ninja:
@Monkey:
NO. IT. DID. NOT.
One more post like this and I'm sending the man an invitation to this thread.
Now either an angry Japanese guy could make a fool of you directly, or you can just stand down and stop being insanely stubborn for no good reason.I don't even have a stance on this, I think Nami and Zoro both have some degree of special stature in the crew, and that we'll never have a real answer.
I'm just shutting down your incredibly blatantly wrong "evidence".Urogue knows Zoro has the second highest bounty, and DOESNT know shit about who is what in the crew.
The translation said fucking number two said the Japanese speaker.BOTH are two different points stabbing your terrible argument.
1 As always, chill out man. I don't spend my entire life arguing every little point down to its freakin roots.
2 If the Japanese speaker says he said 'second' then he very well probably said second, but I'm taking that as implied 'second in command' as opposed to bounty, sue me. If you can assume I can too buddy.
3 I don't think Oda used him as a 'mouth piece' but if you believe it was implied like I do. At least I know he's aware of it.
4 Since when was I using this as evidence. I was just letting someone know of what Oda put in the manga before this Japanese translation stuff came up. If I wanted to use evidence, I got other stuff, not this
2 If the Japanese speaker says he said 'second' then he very well probably said second, but I'm taking that as implied 'second in command' as opposed to bounty, sue me. If you can assume I can too buddy.
And my WHOLE point with the "things Urogue knows" is that your assumption is impossible. Did that just WHOOSH over your head?
3 I don't think Oda used him as a 'mouth piece' but if you believe it was implied like I do. At least I know he's aware of it.
How would Urogue knows who was first mate?
@Monkey:
How would Urogue knows who was first mate?
Now it's me not getting your point. Oda is Urogue. If Urogue makes a statement we must take it as a fact unless you believe it's dramatic irony. If we don't believe what we are seeing, then there is no story. Are you claiming that Oda is lying to us through a character?
Now it's me not getting your point. Oda is Urogue. If Urogue makes a statement we must take it as a fact unless you believe it's dramatic irony. If we don't believe what we are seeing, then there is no story. Are you claiming that Oda is lying to us through a character?
I'm sorry, but have you ever watched something called a movie?
Now it's me not getting your point. Oda is Urogue.
lolllllllll
Just lollllll
I'm not even going to respect this with a response.
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I'm sorry, but have you ever watched something called a movie?
Rashomon would fucking destroy this guys mind lol.
I'm sorry, but have you ever watched something called a movie?
Yes. The point here is what exactly?
@Monkey:
And my WHOLE point with the "things Urogue knows" is that your assumption is impossible. Did that just WHOOSH over your head?
I'll just say this to put an end to this debate. My point was that the words that came out of Urouge's mouth in that panel was implying 'second in command', he probably based that on bounty with his knowledge, BUT I'm not saying he mentioned bounty in that same panel. I guess were arguing what was meant by 'second'. But hey we'll have to agree to disagree.
@Monkey:
How would Urogue knows who was first mate?
I meant how Oda was aware of it not Urouge
@Monkey:
lolllllllll
Just lollllll
I'm not even going to respect this with a response.
Ok, I may be wrong, that's cool and all. I'm just wondering why Oda would bother to include that I guess. Why would Oda have Urogue say that?
I'm serious, if you've got an answer let me know. I don't want to look stupid here.
I'll just say this to put an end to this debate. My point was that the words that came out of Urouge's mouth in that panel was implying 'second in command',
No your assumption was.
he probably based that on bounty with his knowledge, BUT I'm not saying he mentioned bounty in that same panel. I guess were arguing what was meant by 'second'. But hey we'll have to agree to disagree.
Urogue knows nothing about the Strawhats outside of the news reports and bounties. It is impossible for him to know Zoro's stature in the crew.
I meant how Oda was aware of it not Urouge
Oh godddd, come onnnn. TWO people making this insane argument?
@Monkey:
Urogue knows nothing about the Strawhats outside of the news reports and bounties. It is impossible for him to know Zoro's stature in the crew.
He probably based it on bounty, whether it's right or not.
@Monkey:
Oh godddd, come onnnn. TWO people making this insane argument?
I'm not saying Oda 'spoke' through Urouge, I'm saying If the assumption of 'second in command' is believed, we know Oda has the topic in mind. But as you stated, you don't believe that's what was assumed. So all I can say to get everybody pissed off again lol is that despite the whole Urouge thing Zoro is VC when shit goes down.
@Monkey:
making this insane argument?
Well I mean…Oda could have simply not shown Urogue saying it. Isn't there supposed to be meaning in what the characters say?
by the way…back to the thread, I say no new nakama in this arc :ninja:
Why not? No one sticks out to you or has the potential to have the "prerequisites and requirements" to join the Strawhats? Do you think anyone after Jinbe will join and if so what position will they fill?
Well I mean…Oda could have simply not shown Urogue saying it. Isn't there supposed to be meaning in what the characters say?
Wouldn't Urouge have simply said first mate if it's what he meant?
Well…..you know .... i thought this thread discusses about the straw hat next nakama.
p/s: My suggestion: why don't create a new threat about Zoro being a vice captain or not?
Well I mean…Oda could have simply not shown Urogue saying it. Isn't there supposed to be meaning in what the characters say?
You're supposed to pretend like "Second" could refer to anything.
Assuming the rest isn't mistranslated , he basically says : "Only the second, but he has a Bounty of 120mil beri"
So it only makes sense that second has no meaning at all in the context, it's just said for shits.
Why not? No one sticks out to you or has the potential to have the "prerequisites and requirements" to join the Strawhats? Do you think anyone after Jinbe will join and if so what position will they fill?
Yeah, I have not seen anyone in this arc who has a potential to join the SHs - -
All I can see right now are "allies" … Chinjao, Bellamy, Rebecca, Bartolomeo, the dwarves, etc.
, he basically says : "Only the second, but he has a Bounty of 120mil beri"
That's whats shitting He said "Second one meaning that Luffy is the first one and on top of that he adds "doesn't seem the type to serve under someone" or something like that but Only the Japanese speakers knows what he really meant by that phrase
I still support Bellamy for the new crewmate. Unlike every other suggested memeber in the arc he doesn't have something to hold him to Dressrosa (Rebecca has the crown, Toy Soldier has Rebecca, Batrolomeo and Cavendish have their crews, etc).
I think this quote is good when discussing Vice-Captain/First Mate: 'I'll do whatever you cannot do! And you do whatever I cannot do! Zoro and Nami are basically co-VC. Zoro is better suited for areas like combat, while Nami is better with money distribution and whatnot. While anyone can take command in their particular area, Zoro and Nami generally have more command than anyone except for Luffy.
@Monkey:
I still support Bellamy for the new crewmate. Unlike every other suggested memeber in the arc he doesn't have something to hold him to Dressrosa (Rebecca has the crown, Toy Soldier has Rebecca, Batrolomeo and Cavendish have their crews, etc).
I think this quote is good when discussing Vice-Captain/First Mate: 'I'll do whatever you cannot do! And you do whatever I cannot do! Zoro and Nami are basically co-VC. Zoro is better suited for areas like combat, while Nami is better with money distribution and whatnot. While anyone can take command in their particular area, Zoro and Nami generally have more command than anyone except for Luffy.
Lol @ Nami being "good" at money distribution
Well…..you know .... i thought this thread discusses about the straw hat next nakama.
p/s: My suggestion: why don't create a new threat about Zoro being a vice captain or not?
Too much potential flame bait.
Also, we already have a General Strawhat thread.
Well…..you know .... i thought this thread discusses about the straw hat next nakama.
p/s: My suggestion: why don't create a new threat about Zoro being a vice captain or not?
That thread always goes off-topic.
I'd support Violet, Rebecca and Cavendish for new nakama but…
Rebecca : Unlikely (because of the toy soldier stuff)
Violet : Very very very unlikely (the objective of this girl still isn't clear)
Cavendish: No chance (has his own crew)
I'll continue to support Rebecca, but I think we won't have any new nakama in Dressrossa arc, only some allies.
@Monkey:
I still support Bellamy for the new crewmate. Unlike every other suggested memeber in the arc he doesn't have something to hold him to Dressrosa…
Sounds like a perfect candidate to join Law's crew, not the Strawhat crew, since Bellamy would have more in common with Law regarding their history with Doflamingo.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Jinbe will never actually join the crew? He's cool and all, but he just doesn't have that "Strawhat" feel to him, not to mention his ties with the fishmen.
He seems a good friend of Luffy's but I think he will remain as just an ally. Any thoughts?
P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jinbe doesn't even have a dream that he wishes to fulfill that can be fulfilled with the SH's. The only reason to join would be cause he likes helping out Luffy.
^ A Storm is Coming
Jinbe was asked to join the crew by Luffy and actually said yes, we haven't had an arc with him as the focus like with the other members yet, the dream will probably have something to do with peace between humans and fish people, Luffy's probably already surpassed him in strength, etc.
Would be very surprising if more than one person actually joined the crew this arc.
Would be very surprising if anyone joined this arc.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Jinbe will never actually join the crew? He's cool and all, but he just doesn't have that "Strawhat" feel to him, not to mention his ties with the fishmen.
He seems a good friend of Luffy's but I think he will remain as just an ally. Any thoughts?
P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jinbe doesn't even have a dream that he wishes to fulfill that can be fulfilled with the SH's. The only reason to join would be cause he likes helping out Luffy.
You're wrong in so many ways
^ A Storm is Coming
Sorry, don't mean to start anything, just being honest.
@Cyan:
Jinbe was asked to join the crew by Luffy and actually said yes, we haven't had an arc with him as the focus like with the other members yet, the dream will probably have something to do with peace between humans and fish people, Luffy's probably already surpassed him in strength, etc.
I acknowledge that he has already been asked by Luffy, and that he said he would join SH's once he was done with his business. What I'm saying though is that, all evidence to the contrary, that I have this feeling that Jinbe won't actually join the crew, not that I don't want him to or anything. Having Jinbe on his crew would be bada**!
Regarding current events however, I think the biggest candidate is Rebecca, though I know how unlikely that is due to her royal ties. I just hope she still looks cool after she takes off that helmet!
In the end though I just really want a new crew member! ;)
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Jinbe will never actually join the crew? He's cool and all, but he just doesn't have that "Strawhat" feel to him, not to mention his ties with the fishmen.
He seems a good friend of Luffy's but I think he will remain as just an ally. Any thoughts?
P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jinbe doesn't even have a dream that he wishes to fulfill that can be fulfilled with the SH's. The only reason to join would be cause he likes helping out Luffy.
Please refer to earlier in the thread. Jinbe is joining, and its been discussed at length, for a couple years now.
I'm sorry, since judging by your join date you're brand new and have no way of really knowing its a tired very thoroughly worn out topic, but it is.
Feel free to start with the first post in this thread from 2009,
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=21067
it should cover most of the bases. Bear in mind its been 4 years since then, so more has happened in the time since to cement him as guaranteed to join.
@RobbyBevard:
Please refer to earlier in the thread. Jinbe is joining, and its been discussed at length, for a couple years now.
I'm sorry, since judging by your join date you're brand new and have no way of really knowing its a tired very thoroughly worn out topic, but it is.
Feel free to start with the first post in this thread from 2009,
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=21067
it should cover most of the bases. Bear in mind its been 4 years since then, so more has happened in the time since to cement him as guaranteed to join.
Sorry about that, as you pointed out I'm new to the forums so I'll be more careful and get off the topic. Thanks for letting me know!
@Cyan:
Jinbe was asked to join the crew by Luffy and actually said yes, we haven't had an arc with him as the focus like with the other members yet, the dream will probably have something to do with peace between humans and fish people, Luffy's probably already surpassed him in strength, etc.
yes!!! that's what i thought! it will be really interesting! it will break Oda's traditional trend of having one joining at a time
@Steven:
The old one is a bloated corpse. Mentions of AGOG on the last few pages was as good a reason as any to start a fresh one.
Also, "nakamate" was starting to wear thin with some. I like "new-mate". No problem with it that I can see.
A poll will be added later on. Have at it!
I think you've forgotten to add the Poll. Now is a good time.
@Cyan:
Jinbe was asked to join the crew by Luffy and actually said yes, we haven't had an arc with him as the focus like with the other members yet, the dream will probably have something to do with peace between humans and fish people, Luffy's probably already surpassed him in strength, etc.
I'm sure Luffy surpassed him in strength right after the TS.
I believe that Jinbe will join the crew during the Big Mam arc.
How long does it usually take for the next nakama's dream to be stated in the manga? How about their tragic past?
Rebecca has lost her mother.
One Leg lost his leg(ha) and the kingdom he protected.
Dwarves lost …something rooted 800 years ago?
Violet lost something to the guy she hates(Trebol?).
No real dreams yet discussed.
How long does it usually take for the next nakama's dream to be stated in the manga? How about their tragic past?
Rebecca has lost her mother.
One Leg lost his leg(ha) and the kingdom he protected.
Dwarves lost …something rooted 800 years ago?
Violet lost something to the guy she hates(Trebol?).No real dreams yet discussed.
None of the hard science you're trying to use here is gonna help you pull this mystery out dude.
Believe me, when a new crewmate walks on screen, you KNOW. No need for complex algorhythms.
Trust your instincts.
How long does it usually take for the next nakama's dream to be stated in the manga? How about their tragic past?
Every dream has been said in their respective flashbacks so unless Rebecca gets another flashback (maybe with Ricky) it doesn't look like she has a big dream.
@Monkey:
Believe me, when a new crewmate walks on screen, you KNOW. No need for complex algorhythms.
Trust your instincts.
Jimbei didn't seem to produce that effect on many.
Jimbei didn't seem to produce that effect on many.
Jimbei is the "former boss character", he's the Magus of the party. He is engineered to be outside the normal circumstance.
If you want to read into that "ALL THE DAWRVES AND REBECCA'S BIKINI MIGHT STILL JOIN THEN :)"
Be my guest, but just enjoy being wrong.
@Monkey:
If you want to read into that "ALL THE DAWRVES AND REBECCA'S BIKINI MIGHT STILL JOIN THEN :)"
Be my guest, but just enjoy being wrong.
I rarely try predictions so I will just observe and see if we get someone after Jimbei.