@Hanauta:
now seriously
from what we have seen, he is beeing using a sword from when he was a child(before he lost his left arm, he used to use his left arm).
With Buggy yeah, yeah he did. That noted swordsman Buggy.
what does someone need to be considerd a swordman? a licence? or some kind of title?
When people are talking about swordsmen, they're obviously talking about people whose entire combat style is oriented around a sword. That are devoted to the ART of the sword, almost like sportsmen/women. It's their whole thing and focus.
This is obviously different from people who might happened to use swords sometimes.
what you think how mihawk and shanks where fighting? and why you think mihawk kept fighting shanks? cus he was not a swordman?
Why do people have to have the same fighting style to fight? Oh wait, they absolutely completely don't.
Mihawk's reasons for fighting Shanks also have no reason to be about swordsmanship.
about mihawk beeing the strongest swordsman, do you think mihawk fought all swordmen to achieve this title?
When there's a thing, a field, lots of people go out and challenge eachother. And they keep doing it. And their names become well known to anyone else interested in the field. And those top people will inevitably meet and square off. And eventually one will be supreme.
This is basic fucking logic.
1 more question, why shouldnt not be considerd a swordsman?
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@Eric:
We're in agreement over most of this but do you really think Zoro isnt going to surpass Mihawk? I agree that Shiliew is the best bet for Zoros final opponent given what we know, you really think Mihawk wont be before then?
It's been commonly thought that Shiryu is going to kill Mihawk (or defeat him) before Zoro gets to either of them.
Making Shiryu the new greatest swordsman.
This usually plays into the "Blackbeard's crew is gonna wipe out Shanks and his crew" idea.
I don't really know what Jozu's underdeveloped character has to do with it since Shiliew's is summed up with TOO BAD EVEN TO WORK IN A PRISON.
Shiryu obviously has a bigger future ahead of him. I mean he's only one of the few subordinates of the ultimate villain.
Meanwhile, the likely height of the WB crew's importance in the series passed us by without Jozu doing really anything more than grunting and fighting.
Oh look, that isn't comparable.
Slimey's death was only to show what happens to fruit after a user dies, leading the story into Ace's fruit. Youre implying its not only that buy the precursor to much of the end of OP?
What does this even have to do with our debate?
There's a million other ways to make Shiliew a worthy opponent for Zoro without pidgeonholing all characters with strong devil fruits into this "BB crew isnt strong enough, must cannibalize more characters." You know this and I don't know why you'd suggest otherwise.
So I said Jozu, a pretty expendable character, will be used like that, and suddenly it's "ALL CHARACTERS SHOVED INTO THE MAW OF BLACKBEARD".
I'll tell you what I know, and it's that giving characters fitting and scary devil fruit powers is a thing One Piece does.
As for the WB crew, there isn't any evidence to say they are even a faction anymore,
Yeah I guess they could have lost most smaller members, and been absorbed by Shank's crew or something. Even if they had all broken up down to the man though, they'd still like Luffy lol.
and regardless, Ace was the only commonground between any single person and Luffy.
So you're saying that a friendly pirate crew, who fought alongside Luffy, were made extremely aware of Luffy's actions with them, who let him lead their charge, and who protected him when he was getting saved from the battle…have no reason to be friendly with him.
That doesn't make any sense like at all at all.
Could a non-WB Jozu end up an enemy? It sure sounds a lot less convoluted than this non-chalant mass death you seem to imagine for the WB's.
Are you literate? Because it seems like you're constantly reading things I never said. Like the crazy squiggles on the screen are barely communicating through.
Really I think youre right about Zoro having to cut diamond inevitably, but why you're completely convinced that means Jozu will die and his fruit will go to Shiliew is confusing to me. Maybe I am missing information somewhere? Is it even confirmed that Shiliew is BB's only swordsman?
Ah great, because we didn't have enough stupid ass posts today questioning really obvious things, add "hey guyz is Shiryu the BB swordsman??" to the pile.