Chopper's forms

[desa]

@The:

Ah, I hadn't thought about it that way. But yes, of course Law wouldn't be able to keep Caesar if he was Doflamingo property. Thank you, that explanation works smoothly.

Of course, the bigger question is why Fujitora claims that he only heard "rumors" regarding Doffys status as Joker and Caesars insane experiments, considering Smoker and his crew are first hand witnesses to everyhting at Punk hazard (and first hand Doflamingo mauling victims). Seems pretty solid evidence against Doffy to me, they even have a tanker with his symbol on it full of Caesars test subjects. I guess we'll have to wait and see Doffys WG connections before we can judge how well it holds up, but the weird thing is that Smokers info about Green Bit got through, but appearantly nothing else.

Smoker was told to not told about joker. He pobably kept his word.

[Daz]

But the alliance and the Green Bit info got leaked anyway.

And wouldn't "allowing" Smoker to tell about Doflamingo make it even harder for him to maintain his Warlord status?

[desa]

Is there a proper release for chapter 718 yet? Or it's still some messy stuff?

[EvoWarrior5]

@desa:

Is there a proper release for chapter 718 yet? Or it's still some messy stuff?

I think we'll see a proper chapter thread the moment a real chapter is released.

[Shadowgreed]

@knceng:

I'm still curious about this guy… who is he? (the guy with the hat)

! http://i20.mangapanda.com/one-piece/631/one-piece-2454647.jpg

I always wondered who that guy was and at first I thought it was Rayleigh because Luffy told him about him but then I realized that it cannot be him

[knceng]

@Shadowgreed:

I always wondered who that guy was and at first I thought it was Rayleigh because Luffy told him about him but then I realized that it cannot be him

I always thought it's Shiki with new hair cut all this time, from his clothes at that pic and his pants in chapter 0 … until Maju mention Scopper Gaban. Seems Scooper have the matching haircut…

[Whackadoodle]

@The:

But the alliance and the Green Bit info got leaked anyway.

The only thing Law told Smoker not to tell the Marines was the bit about Joker (and Law's connection to him).

[Hudell]

@The:

But if Luffy and the others are Laws subordinates, Fujitora and the marines wouldn't have any reason to target them.

Also, considering Doflamingos goal is to reclaim Caesar, I doubt he'd just leave Green Bit. And all things considered, Laws decision made it all the harder to keep Caesar captured.

Except that Luffy is not just any criminal, he's a big enemy of the world government. I doubt they would let him roam free just because he's Law's subordinate.

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@The:

But if Luffy and the others are Laws subordinates, Fujitora and the marines wouldn't have any reason to target them.

Also, considering Doflamingos goal is to reclaim Caesar, I doubt he'd just leave Green Bit. And all things considered, Laws decision made it all the harder to keep Caesar captured.

Except that Luffy is not just any criminal, he's a big enemy of the world government. I doubt they would let him roam free just because he's Law's subordinate.

[Chemie]

Quick question:
Kinemon, has probably the mythical zoan tanuki
but it was not confirmed yet
Am I right ?

[Maju]

@Chemie:

Quick question:
Kinemon, has probably the mythical zoan tanuki
but it was not confirmed yet
Am I right ?

he never showed to be able to do any transformation,so no..probbaly he just has a fruit with powers that resembles the tanuki of japanese folklore

[Daz]

@Whackadoodle:

The only thing Law told Smoker not to tell the Marines was the bit about Joker (and Law's connection to him).

Theres still a buttload of other witnesses though, and the clearly labeled Doflamingo ship full of Caesar test subjects. How are those getting explained away? They're going to blame Brownbeard, epic child-napping mastermind of Punk Hazard experiments?

And the question still remains of WHY Smoker wasn't allowed to rat out Doflamingo, as it would only make it easier for Doflamingo to lose his status.

@Hudell:

Except that Luffy is not just any criminal, he's a big enemy of the world government. I doubt they would let him roam free just because he's Law's subordinate.

If their attitude towards Luffy would be the same either way, then Fujitoras question to Law is confusing and meaningless meaningless. It comes right after Fujitora granting a notoriously insane missing-for-four-years evil scientist amnesty because he's Doflamingos underling, so the context is pretty clear: If you're Luffys boss then all is good, if not then you're collaborating with criminals and you're all screwed.

[Thebomer93]

Why did the WG allow Kuma to protect the Thousand sunny for a whole 2 years.

[knceng]

@kuma:

Why did the WG allow Kuma to protect the Thousand sunny for a whole 2 years.

Kuma act on his own, has nothing to do with WG. Those 2 years it's just a cyborg who protect the ship following the last order given by Kuma.

[Thebomer93]

But still Kuma A WG ally I don't get why they just stood by for 2 years letting him protect a pirate ship.

[Daz]

Because Oda needed an explanation for the Sunnys survival during the time skip, as well as a segway for his "Kuma was NICE!" reveal. But yeah, it was rather clumsy. Not as weird as Kumas actions on Thriller Bark though.

[sggupta]

kuma was still a pirate,it's not like WG could control his every action.(the separation at sabondy)
and the protecting the SH's ship was an agreement between vegapunk and kuma,not directly involving the WG.it's not like they could do anything after he was reprogrammed.and seeing that he is considered a shichibukai but is actually a cyborg directly under the control of the WG,i wouldn't see any good for WG in destroying him(which is essentially what they would have to do).
in other words,i feel that kuma used/had leverage of cooperating with the WG in his days as a shichibukai,and his decision to become a government weapon for his actions on sabondy,including protecting the SH's ship.

[Daz]

You're acting like somehow the WG had no choice but to somehow completely forget that the Straw Hats ship was docked in plain sight at sabaody.
Or as if no amount of force or lightspeed admirals could have bypassed Kuma.

The WG was in no way "honor bound" to just leave the Sunny alone, and them not posting sentries in the surrounding area since A) the ship is obviously protected for a reason by the same guy who B) did very clearly NOT kill the straw hats at Sabaody previously. Considering Sentoumaru and Kizaru also directly witnessed Kuma talking suspiciously to Rayleigh, and Sentoumaru evena cknowledging that he expected Luffy to return, theres really no reason why the Sunny was allowed to remain there.

[King Cannon]

@The:

You're acting like somehow the WG had no choice but to somehow completely forget that the Straw Hats ship was docked in plain sight at sabaody.
Or as if no amount of force or lightspeed admirals could have bypassed Kuma.

The WG was in no way "honor bound" to just leave the Sunny alone, and them not posting sentries in the surrounding area since A) the ship is obviously protected for a reason by the same guy who B) did very clearly NOT kill the straw hats at Sabaody previously. Considering Sentoumaru and Kizaru also directly witnessed Kuma talking suspiciously to Rayleigh, and Sentoumaru evena cknowledging that he expected Luffy to return, theres really no reason why the Sunny was allowed to remain there.

It was just a ship, though. I doubt the WG would bother sending somebody stronger than Kuma just to apprehend a ship with no crew. They had bigger problems to deal with.

[TheCrystalShip]

@The:

Because Oda needed an explanation for the Sunnys survival during the time skip, as well as a segway for his "Kuma was NICE!" reveal. But yeah, it was rather clumsy. Not as weird as Kumas actions on Thriller Bark though.

Pretty sure we all knew that Kuma was nice by then.

[sggupta]

firstly,i don't think just a ship would be reason enough for the marines to call an admiral,especially considering how the new world,(or pretty much all the seas) were in chaos.
but that's just my opinion.
secondly,kuma would definitely not give up without a fight,and there isn't much chance that they would be able to destroy thousand sunny without considerably damaging him,which would be putting in danger a very sweet deal for the marines.
about the sentries,they may or may not have posted in the beginning,but i assume that slowly,marines started ignoring the sunny,and had more important things to take care of since the number of marines in sabondy had decreased.

@King:

It was just a ship, though. I doubt the WG would bother sending somebody stronger than Kuma just to apprehend a ship with no crew. They had bigger problems to deal with.

agreed

[Supernova122]

Presumably, Vegapunk can pull strings. Why he allowed Kuma to have a super time consuming mission programmed into him in exchange for becoming Kumabot, who knows. Maybe Vegapunk felt bad for taking away his humanity.

After that, there's the thing that it would be a real waste of resources to deploy someone powerful enough to take out Kuma to, um, take out Kuma and the Sunny, given Kuma would be a valuable WG asset later, and the Navy would suffer extreme losses. Oh, and it's a SHIP.

Furthermore, the Sunny was hidden, and it's location was only discovered one year after the SH dispersal. And then ther was a big fight and Duval and Hatchan were wounded, but Kuma continued to guard the ship.

[Thebomer93]

@King:

It was just a ship, though. I doubt the WG would bother sending somebody stronger than Kuma just to apprehend a ship with no crew. They had bigger problems to deal with.

A renegade Shichibukai protecting a pirate ship for 2 years there surely can't be many things worst than that.

[knceng]

@kuma:

A renegade Shichibukai protecting a pirate ship for 2 years there surely can't be many things worst than that.

who also one of the revolusion leader, Luffy's father nakama…

[King Cannon]

@kuma:

A renegade Shichibukai protecting a pirate ship for 2 years there surely can't be many things worst than that.

World falling into chaos with Whitebeard's death, Sengoku resigning, Admirals fighting for the top rank, Level 6 prisoners on the loose, rise of the Worst Generation, WG looking for Warlord replacements…

But forget all that! Let's focus on this ship that belonged to a crew that's been inactive for a while, with no signal of them being alive.

Also, the WG doesn't care that much about the Warlord's whereabouts. Mihawk hanging around with Shanks, Moriah in the Florian Triangle, Law in Punk Hazard (a forbidden place too)...

[Thebomer93]

@knceng:

who also one of the revolusion leader, Luffy's father nakama…

Am almost certain the WG don't or know anything about Kuma affliction with the revolutionary army.

[knceng]

@kuma:

Am almost certain the WG don't or know anything about Kuma affliction with the revolutionary army.

Which one is it? Know or don't know? :D

A renegade Shichibukai protecting a pirate ship for 2 years there surely can't be many things worst than that.

He's not just a random renegade Shichibukai who protecting a random pirate ship, he's protecting the pirate ship because he knew the ship's owner is the son of his comrade. So, it's not a worst thing…

[King Cannon]

The WG would never accept Kuma as a Warlord if they knew he belonged to the Revolutionaries.

[Thebomer93]

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[desa]

@The:

Theres still a buttload of other witnesses though, and the clearly labeled Doflamingo ship full of Caesar test subjects. How are those getting explained away? They're going to blame Brownbeard, epic child-napping mastermind of Punk Hazard experiments?

And the question still remains of WHY Smoker wasn't allowed to rat out Doflamingo, as it would only make it easier for Doflamingo to lose his status.

If their attitude towards Luffy would be the same either way, then Fujitoras question to Law is confusing and meaningless meaningless. It comes right after Fujitora granting a notoriously insane missing-for-four-years evil scientist amnesty because he's Doflamingos underling, so the context is pretty clear: If you're Luffys boss then all is good, if not then you're collaborating with criminals and you're all screwed.

1- Only those in the cage learned about Doflamingo being Joker
2- Attacking marine is nothing special from shichibukai and Smoker most likely didn't mention it since he can't tell why Dofla attacked him.
3-I don't think they already know what Ceasar was doing in Punk Hazard.
4-I suppose Law need Doflamingo to be roaming free in the see rather than in a cell.
5- Fujitora would probably confirm the info with Strawhats while Law would be stuck with Dofly.

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@The:

You're acting like somehow the WG had no choice but to somehow completely forget that the Straw Hats ship was docked in plain sight at sabaody.
Or as if no amount of force or lightspeed admirals could have bypassed Kuma.

The WG was in no way "honor bound" to just leave the Sunny alone, and them not posting sentries in the surrounding area since A) the ship is obviously protected for a reason by the same guy who B) did very clearly NOT kill the straw hats at Sabaody previously. Considering Sentoumaru and Kizaru also directly witnessed Kuma talking suspiciously to Rayleigh, and Sentoumaru evena cknowledging that he expected Luffy to return, theres really no reason why the Sunny was allowed to remain there.

Since it's a ship Strawhats can just buy an other if marines destroy it. So damaging Kuma to destroy the ship isn't worth it. The best would be to wait but the Strawhats never came back. And we can't tell what will happen to Kuma if they just destroy the ship.

[RKTGX95]

I've been wondering lately, what would be the first thing Luffy says to Doffy when he meets him face to face in this (DR) arc?

[Densuke]

@RKTGX95:

I've been wondering lately, what would be the first thing Luffy says to Doffy when he meets him face to face in this (DR) arc?

Something along the lines of "Where the delicious meat you promised?!
.. That or something about Ace's fruit.

[RKTGX95]

@Densuke:

Something along the lines of "Where the delicious meat you promised?!
.. That or something about Ace's fruit.

For some reason i Actually expect from Doffy to fulfill this request. He is royalty after all and such a villainous sophisticated person as he should be a great host. (could be a part of his charisma, "Pace")

[Spicy Chicken]

Is Aokiji losing some of his leg canon confirmed? It happened in film Z but I don't remember seeing it in the manga when he saved Smoker.

[desa]

Since Mangarule is out do we get any better scanalisation than mangastream this week?

[Densuke]

@RKTGX95:

For some reason i Actually expect from Doffy to fulfill this request. He is royalty after all and such a villainous sophisticated person as he should be a great host. (could be a part of his charisma, "Pace")

That's if Luffy even wins the tournament, or it doesn't get interrupted by the factory exploding underneath and all once Franky arrives.

@Spicy:

Is Aokiji losing some of his leg canon confirmed? It happened in film Z but I don't remember seeing it in the manga when he saved Smoker.

I think it was pretty much confirmed in Oda's sketches for Volume Z, was it not? That's how I see it at least.

@desa:

Since Mangarule is out do we get any better scanalisation than mangastream this week?

I very much doubt it. There's really no other group other than the three regulars (two now), at least none that are doing the recent chapters.

[Spicy Chicken]

@Densuke:

I think it was pretty much confirmed in Oda's sketches for Volume Z, was it not? That's how I see it at least.

Hmm I suppose. But he has designed several non-canon characters too for Toei. But, also in the film you can't see his ice leg while he's wearing clothes so I guess.

Might as well ask this too, is the Shichibukai who cut off Z's arm canon too?

[Light Bro]

I just got an idea that Doffy might have set a bomb to destroy the whole Colosseum! That's why no competitors is coming out; he's made an excuse to keep everyone there so Luffy won't slip out and he keeps bragging about the trap he set for him! I'm not sure if this is true but what do you guys think?

[Monkey King]

@Light:

I just got an idea that Doffy might have set a bomb to destroy the whole Colosseum! That's why no competitors is coming out; he's made an excuse to keep everyone there so Luffy won't slip out and he keeps bragging about the trap he set for him! I'm not sure if this is true but what do you guys think?

So you're saying he set a bomb so therefore people aren't coming out.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying he set a bomb on a building full of loyal civilians.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying he set a bomb on a major source of power and status on the island he has a whole wing of his crew managing.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying that a bomb on a building would only effect the losers.
Ok that makes no sense.

And finally you're saying he set a bomb on a building that apparently covers the SAD factory.
That makes no sense as well.

[Light Bro]

@Monkey:

So you're saying he set a bomb so therefore people aren't coming out.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying he set a bomb on a building full of loyal civilians.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying he set a bomb on a major source of power and status on the island he has a whole wing of his crew managing.
Ok that makes no sense.

Also you're saying that a bomb on a building would only effect the losers.
Ok that makes no sense.

And finally you're saying he set a bomb on a building that apparently covers the SAD factory.
That makes no sense as well.

Well I said he made an EXCUSE! Besides he only needs to keep competitors inside!

Also if he's willing to turn citizens into toys, why wouldn't he be willing to blow them up!

Well that's actually a good point! But he might he willing to do that to get rid off Luffy! And look more evil! :ninja:

I don't get your 4th point.

Yeah totally forgot that! But we don't know how strong is the factory made so it might stand an explosion.

Also ever heard of responding politely? :getlost: I know my theory isn't perfect but it's just a harmless suggestion! No need to be a dick about it.

[Monkey King]

@Light:

Well I said he made an EXCUSE! Besides he only needs to keep competitors inside!

An excuse to what? Make everyone run AWAY from the arena? Including Luffy?
And an excuse he made to Law? Not to Luffy? What?

Also if he's willing to turn citizens into toys, why wouldn't he be willing to blow them up!

Because they're still useful as toys, and are dead with a bomb. There's obviously some sort of super elaborate extortion game being played with the toy people. Dofla isn't randomly targeting people, for gods sake.

Well that's actually a good point! But he might he willing to do that to get rid off Luffy! And look more evil! :ninja:

He's a mafia boss, not a psychopath. Mafia don't do terrorist style things, they try to keep things subtle.

I don't get your 4th point.

Because you're not thinking any of this through.
The people who lost are the ones in jeopardy. Dofla specifically mentions Luffy LOSING as part of what will make him not leave.
So in other words the winner wouldn't be blown up somehow?

Yeah totally forgot that! But we don't know how strong is the factory made so it might stand an explosion.

And then instead of destroying it he would reveal it to the open public by destroying it's incredibly useful cover.
Again, he's a mafia boss. Nothing about this is something he would do.

[Light Bro]

I can see where this is going. And it's not a civilized exchange of ideas. Bye-bye!

[Monkey King]

Also if he wants to blow up Luffy why on earth would he care what the other losers do.

Sorry for pointing out nothing made sense about your idea I guess.

[Supernova122]

@Monkey:

He's a mafia boss, not a psychopath. Mafia don't do terrorist style things, they try to keep things subtle.

looks at Doflamingo

I know what you mean, but nothing about Doflamingo is really 'subtle', is it . . .

[Nycprodigy]

@RKTGX95:

I've been wondering lately, what would be the first thing Luffy says to Doffy when he meets him face to face in this (DR) arc?

"Oii it's you, flamingo bastard"

[Schabrak]

@desa:

Since Mangarule is out do we get any better scanalisation than mangastream this week?

CCC has released one, so just look at the MS version while reading his translation?
@Light:

I can see where this is going.

There is only one way to go with such wrongheaded theories that make zero sense.
@Supernova122:

I know what you mean, but nothing about Doflamingo is really 'subtle', is it . . .

His appearance is flamboyant, his secret dealings are all as subtle as possible, like him being the biggest weapons dealer of the world and nobody acting on it or knowing his identity.

[RKTGX95]

Starting to reread the DR arc up till now and i came to a little realization that i'm a bit late on:

In chapter 700 page 2, after the fake announcement of Doffy leaving shichi status there's a state of panic in an unknown country that the Donquixote family might stop the weapon trade with certain country and thus they'll lose their war. In page 4 you can see many Den Den Mushis ringing (and not being answered) so it can be easily concluded that Donquixote Doflamingo is quite heavily in the weapon business. But if he is in essentially more than royalty family (if not CD related), why would he need the weapon trade and its profits? The simple answer would be that he got to these royalty riches through that business and the underground broker business, but if you look at the cover story of chapter 701 you'll see a weapon factory. It's not just any weapon factory as you know, it is a weapon factory of Kaido (on his favorite island). Why would Kaido, a powerful yonko with territories and 500 Zoan DF army, need one? What i'm going with this is essentially the question of Is it possible that Kaido buys his DF's (SMILEs) from Doflamingo with the weapons he manufactures?

[EvoWarrior5]

@RKTGX95:

Starting to reread the DR arc up till now and i came to a little realization that i'm a bit late on:

In chapter 700 page 2, after the fake announcement of Doffy leaving shichi status there's a state of panic in an unknown country that the Donquixote family might stop the weapon trade with certain country and thus they'll lose their war. In page 4 you can see many Den Den Mushis ringing (and not being answered) so it can be easily concluded that Donquixote Doflamingo is quite heavily in the weapon business. But if he is in essentially more than royalty family (if not CD related), why would he need the weapon trade and its profits? The simple answer would be that he got to these royalty riches through that business and the underground broker business, but if you look at the cover story of chapter 701 you'll see a weapon factory. It's not just any weapon factory as you know, it is a weapon factory of Kaido (on his favorite island). Why would Kaido, a powerful yonko with territories and 500 Zoan DF army, need one? What i'm going with this is essentially the question of Is it possible that Kaido buys his DF's (SMILEs) from Doflamingo with the weapons he manufactures?

So you mean to say that Kaido trades a bunch of weapons in for artificial DFs, then Doflamingo provides them to the government for the countries that need the weapons for some war? Otherwise I don't get what you mean by "he got to royalty because of the weapons".
Also, we've seen that Kaido is also kinda cyborg-themed, seeing as how Scotch already is one. Of course his armies need weapons, too.
Also we don't really know much about why Doflamingo would need to trade in weapons, we might find out later.

[RKTGX95]

@EvoWarrior5:

So you mean to say that Kaido trades a bunch of weapons in for artificial DFs, then Doflamingo provides them to the government for the countries that need the weapons for some war? Otherwise I don't get what you mean by "he got to royalty because of the weapons".
Also, we've seen that Kaido is also kinda cyborg-themed, seeing as how Scotch already is one. Of course his armies need weapons, too.
Also we don't really know much about why Doflamingo would need to trade in weapons, we might find out later.

What i meant is that the simple way to look at things is that Doflamingo got his status and money by weapon trade and making fortunes. (though it's too simple for me).
I think that Doflamingo isn't interested in the weapons specifically, but it fits his theme of making chaos and havoc across the world. i.e. selling SMILEs to one of the yonkos to make him stronger (i guess) so that it will encourage more war and selling weapons to many other countries for even more chaos. Plus all of the underground stuff he was doing probably add to it too in a way. ( i have an entire theory on this basis that goes beyond, but it's for the theories thread)
It wasn't clearly stated, if at all, that kaido is cyborg themed. Sure Scotch is but that doesn't say much. (it's like saying the same about luffy from judging by only franky)
Moreover, even if they need weapons too, they force labor those workers so they probably make surplus and sell it to Doflamingo.

[EvoWarrior5]

@RKTGX95:

It wasn't clearly stated, if at all, that kaido is cyborg themed. Sure Scotch is but that doesn't say much. (it's like saying the same about luffy from judging by only franky)

It's not just Scotch, it's also the factory which you mentioned. I swear there was more which indicated a link to Kaido being cyborg-related, even aside from Scotch or that factory. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Well in the anime it was really visible how the place where Scotch lived was an entire hi-tech city. Not sure how much you saw of what was behind him in the manga though, so I can't tell whether it is actually true or if it's just anime bollocks.

[RKTGX95]

@EvoWarrior5:

It's not just Scotch, it's also the factory which you mentioned. I swear there was more which indicated a link to Kaido being cyborg-related, even aside from Scotch or that factory. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Well in the anime it was really visible how the place where Scotch lived was an entire hi-tech city. Not sure how much you saw of what was behind him in the manga though, so I can't tell whether it is actually true or if it's just anime bollocks.

It was stated that it is his favorite Island from all of his territories, doesn't necessarily mean that this is his theme. It could be that he chose that hi tech city especially for making weapons or maybe more. Just like big mom like FI's candy the most. Honestly, we don't know anything about kaido except for half a silhouette, adjective (of the beast) and that he is affiliated with Doflamingo and what he got from him.