Hate to break it to you gents , but….[http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/comic-con-whedon-says-no-hank-pym-in-avengers-2-and-different-ultron-origin
As far as the MCU is concerned , Hank Pym did NOT create Ultron.
In before this is just "Iron man 4" :ninja:](http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/comic-con-whedon-says-no-hank-pym-in-avengers-2-and-different-ultron-origin)
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Just read all the preview tidbits, I think I'm finally starting to get excited for Marvel phase 2.
I am so glad that blue and grey costume thing is (presumably) going to be a one scene deal for Cap. He just doesn't look right without striped stomach.
I'm also happy that the Marvel isn't just going to jump straight into a Thano's fight, now there should enough be time to build him up in the background as an actual threat.
Hate to break it to you gents , but….[http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/comic-con-whedon-says-no-hank-pym-in-avengers-2-and-different-ultron-origin
As far as the MCU is concerned , Hank Pym did NOT create Ultron.
In before this is just "Iron man 4" :ninja:](http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/comic-con-whedon-says-no-hank-pym-in-avengers-2-and-different-ultron-origin)
People should be used to Marvel altering things like origins and character relationships.
In Ultimate Spider-Man Kraven and Scorpion have no ties to Spider-Man unlike every other continuity.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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It's not like Pym is known for anything other than being a shitty scientist and an even worse husband anyway.
When the Ant-Man movie comes to DVD I'm going to replace every frame that Hank's in with that panel.
Well I have a good feeling things will pan out well for Phase 2. Now I'm just waiting for it to unfold.
Welp… Robo Jarvis going rogue and becoming Ultron is going to happen, since the Marvel cinematic universe just wants to suck the iron balls of Iron Man. Better brace yourselves for it now.
I don't mind Ultron being created by Tony. I ultimately want Hank somehow related to Ultron, and if that's done by having Ultron return as a villain in the Ant Man movie, leading to a complex relationship between Hank, Janet, and Ultron, I'm a happy camper.
Either way, if Tony is indeed the creator of Ultron, then it really confirms the feeling I've been having in my gut: That Tony might kick the bucket.
I think they are doing it this way to build even more expectation for Thanos, they have to introduce more Superheroes in order to make that movie EPIC.
About Ultron, I think it will be Hank creation, just wait and see, they are trying to be original when presentig the story, so even the hardcore fans don't know what's coming.
Ultron being the creation of a character we know and love (and possibly being Jarvis who we all know and love) is much better than introducing a non-entity who immediately gets to work on creating a genocidal super robot and in the process make him an irredeemable moron who needs to become a hero again…. even though we don't even know him as a hero yet.
Either way, if Tony is indeed the creator of Ultron, then it really confirms the feeling I've been having in my gut: That Tony might kick the bucket.
Mainly tears will be shed if that happens (if done right that is).
I don't mind Ultron being created by Tony. I ultimately want Hank somehow related to Ultron, and if that's done by having Ultron return as a villain in the Ant Man movie, leading to a complex relationship between Hank, Janet, and Ultron, I'm a happy camper.
Either way, if Tony is indeed the creator of Ultron, then it really confirms the feeling I've been having in my gut: That Tony might kick the bucket.
If it really happens like this, with Tony's eventual death than i'll accept it.
I just hate how Janet and Hank have been getting the shaft in the MCU as it seems. And now their arguably biggest story arc will be projected on Tony and Pepper.
Edgar Wright's Ant-Man wont be using the Pym in the medium we know either, he'll be an old retired hero who passes the torch to Scott Lang and they'll team up to take down some shady organization. So in short, No Wasp.
Hank's been getting the shaft since his career-defining moment, nothing really new here.
Okay, I'll admit I know pretty much nothing about Ant-Man/Hank. But everything I've heard about him, is pretty much how much of an ass he is to Janet.
Hank's career is basically this:
In the Ultimates, the team gets fed up with his shit and kicks him out. One of the few things in the Ultimate verse that I agree with.
People should be used to Marvel altering things like origins and character relationships.
In Ultimate Spider-Man Kraven and Scorpion have no ties to Spider-Man unlike every other continuity.
Really? Who are they arching then?
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I got a different reaction than how people would generally react when I look at this page.
. . . . . well that makes me all excited for the Ant-Man movie then.
Okay, I'll admit I know pretty much nothing about Ant-Man/Hank. But everything I've heard about him, is pretty much how much of an ass he is to Janet.
Truth be told, Hank Pym has been a very depressing character. His entire history in the past had been nothing but failures, situations where he failed to save people or situations that he made worse (ie Ultron). Hank was a mess, which led to his rock bottom:
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Cause you know what makes great character development? Making your character completely irredeemable.
It was horrible and unforgivable, and truth be told, Hank has never forgiven himself for this. There's nothing I can say that can make him smacking her okay, She tried to leave him. She ultimately stayed because he's was a mess and he was afraid to be alone. Every Ant Man fan hates that this ever happened, and every Avenger (rightly so) never let him live it down.
But if there's anything frustrating about all this…
Hank has never been able to live it down, in comics and reality. There are people who are shunning the Ant Man movie entire because of this. However, do you know how many times Peter has hit Mary Jane or treated her like shit? Jesus, he slapped her in his own fucking movie (Spider-Man 3). Peter never gets labeled as a wife beater. People just blame the countless story loops Peter goes through and how tragic his life is. "Oh poor Peter! He lives such a hard life."
And don't get me wrong, Spider-Man is my favorite male superhero. But Peter beat his wife. Hank beat his wife. Both apologized and have felt guilt for their actions, but they're both wife beaters. Yet Peter gets the free pass cause he's popular.
And don't get me started on Mr. Fantastic. To be fair, he gets far more shit than Peter and far less shit than Hank, but not only did he beat his wife, one of his beatings was 'justified' by the fact that his wife had gone crazy after miscarrying their child (for which she was slapped across the face and told to shut up). At least Hank and Peter's stories were meant to seem like downward spirals of their own emotion and mental health. Reed slapping Sue was treated like it was necessary.
I'm not saying to forgive or forget that the character once did this. I'm saying to give the character a chance and don't hate him immediately. Cause outside of that horrible story arc of depression he went through, Hank and Janet are a wonderful duo.
If I can't interest you with Hank, let me at least interest you with Janet, who is probably one of the most fun female characters of Marvel.
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Like, if I could define how awesome Janet is: Janet 'died' not to long ago in the comics. It was shitty and stupid, and everyone who likes Hank and/or Janet were furious. Basically, she was believed to be dead. And then this happens:
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She took care of her fucking self.
I like Hank, but I adore Janet. There's a reason Tony Stark is hungover the fact that he could never get with her. There's a reason Ultron hates the entire human race except her and considers her to be perfection, while question why an imperfection like Hank could obtain perfection.
I hope they don't go through Hank's downward spiral, because when Hank and Janet are at their best, they're a lot of fun.
But I swear to God, if Janet doesn't get in any of these movies, I'm gonna throw such a bitch fit.
Okay, nerd fest over.
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If we're going to use the Ultimates franchise against Ant Man, then Hank is a saint compared to Tony Stark.
You're the first Jan fan who used Bendis pages to prove how good she is.
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What has Ultimate Tony done that's worse than trying to murder your wife? You may be confused with 616 facist Tony.
You're the first Jan fan who used Bendis pages to prove how good she is.
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What has Ultimate Tony done that's worse than trying to murder your wife? You may be confused with 616 facist Tony.
It didn't kill her, but you're right on that part.
But this is the same universe that has Pietro and Wanda Maximoff committing incest, Tony and Black Widow having a sex tape made public, and Wasp being killed because the Blob suddenly became a cannibal. I'm not saying the Ultimate series is shit, but there is plenty wrong…
In general the oh he/she is dead oh wait turns out he isn't fake out is so utterly awful
Why even bother to try to justify stuff like that in-universe.
Might as well just say she had magic armor on and just be done with it
@wolfwoof:
In general the oh he/she is dead oh wait turns out he isn't fake out is so utterly awful
Why even bother to try to justify stuff like that in-universe.
Might as well just say she had magic armor on and just be done with it
It was stupid to bother doing, yes, but seeing Janet come back like that was admittedly fun. I'm defending the character, not the mess.
Oh, also, new poster!
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Yep. It's Tony. The mask looks identical to Iron Man's mask, aside from the obvious changes.
From what I understand, Ultimate Tony is the only morally decent member of the Ultimates. Everyone else is a jackass.
Truth be told, Hank Pym has been a very depressing character. His entire history in the past had been nothing but failures, situations where he failed to save people or situations that he made worse (ie Ultron). Hank was a mess, which led to his rock bottom:
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http://www.crapculture.ca/Images/Jellow677500.jpg[/hide]Cause you know what makes great character development? Making your character completely irredeemable.
It was horrible and unforgivable, and truth be told, Hank has never forgiven himself for this. There's nothing I can say that can make him smacking her okay, She tried to leave him. She ultimately stayed because he's was a mess and he was afraid to be alone. Every Ant Man fan hates that this ever happened, and every Avenger (rightly so) never let him live it down.
But if there's anything frustrating about all this…
Hank has never been able to live it down, in comics and reality. There are people who are shunning the Ant Man movie entire because of this. However, do you know how many times Peter has hit Mary Jane or treated her like shit? Jesus, he slapped her in his own fucking movie (Spider-Man 3). Peter never gets labeled as a wife beater. People just blame the countless story loops Peter goes through and how tragic his life is. "Oh poor Peter! He lives such a hard life."
And don't get me wrong, Spider-Man is my favorite male superhero. But Peter beat his wife. Hank beat his wife. Both apologized and have felt guilt for their actions, but they're both wife beaters. Yet Peter gets the free pass cause he's popular.
And don't get me started on Mr. Fantastic. To be fair, he gets far more shit than Peter and far less shit than Hank, but not only did he beat his wife, one of his beatings was 'justified' by the fact that his wife had gone crazy after miscarrying their child (for which she was slapped across the face and told to shut up). At least Hank and Peter's stories were meant to seem like downward spirals of their own emotion and mental health. Reed slapping Sue was treated like it was necessary.
I'm not saying to forgive or forget that the character once did this. I'm saying to give the character a chance and don't hate him immediately. Cause outside of that horrible story arc of depression he went through, Hank and Janet are a wonderful duo.
If I can't interest you with Hank, let me at least interest you with Janet, who is probably one of the most fun female characters of Marvel.
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[/hide]Like, if I could define how awesome Janet is: Janet 'died' not to long ago in the comics. It was shitty and stupid, and everyone who likes Hank and/or Janet were furious. Basically, she was believed to be dead. And then this happens:
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I like Hank, but I adore Janet. There's a reason Tony Stark is hungover the fact that he could never get with her. There's a reason Ultron hates the entire human race except her and considers her to be perfection, while question why an imperfection like Hank could obtain perfection.
I hope they don't go through Hank's downward spiral, because when Hank and Janet are at their best, they're a lot of fun.
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But I swear to God, if Janet doesn't get in any of these movies, I'm gonna throw such a bitch fit.
Okay, nerd fest over.
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If we're going to use the Ultimates franchise against Ant Man, then Hank is a saint compared to Tony Stark.
I can see your point. It's just never a good thing when one of the first things you hear about a hero is that he's abusive. And Janet does sound awesome. It also makes my feminist flag pop up when I hear stuff like that. The inner Feminist is a powerful, aggressive beast.
And I never liked Mr. Fantastic.
No one likes Reed, why do you think he became a supervillain.
Reed Richards character is meant for a simpler time
Where he could just invent straight up goofy stuff and then walk right into the one scenario in the world where it'd be useful
Trying to bring his ability to do virtually anything into a world where people ask why don't you cure aids is just set up for disapointment
@wolfwoof:
Reed Richards character is meant for a simpler time
Where he could just invent straight up goofy stuff and then walk right into the one scenario in the world where it'd be useful
Trying to bring his ability to do virtually anything into a world where people ask why don't you cure aids is just set up for disapointment
"No one's ever impressed with the raygun that only works on Galactus's scrotum, all they want is that 'better quality of life' junk. Hmpf. Ingrates."
Sue has become a psychic powerhouse. Johnny and Ben manage well enough on their own. Franklin is an Omega level mutant. The Fantastic Four already cycles through far more interesting characters. Other scientist characters manage things just as well as Reed without being as much of a massive douche. Even his greatest rival, who is an overpowering dictator and megalomaniac, is far more redeemable and interesting.
Why do we need Reed again?
I can see your point. It's just never a good thing when one of the first things you hear about a hero is that he's abusive. And Janet does sound awesome. It also makes my feminist flag pop up when I hear stuff like that. The inner Feminist is a powerful, aggressive beast.
Hank is no where as popular as the rest of the Avengers, so he mostly gets remembered for that. I just hope the movie chooses to take the two of them and have a good time. They can their conflicts and issues, but no where near the abusive and suicidal extremes that Hank reached, for the love of god…
So he's basically a sexist version of aquaman?
^ On the bright side Edgar wright is directing so I don't expect too much of a downer movie.
Aquaman has a stable relationship with his wife, so no.
Reed should take up smoking a pipe again. It really lends itself to being lecturing
You wouldn't want a non-pipe smoker to tell you about the hows or the whys
But once you've got that paternal pipe it's all clear for landing at lecture central
Prof. Impossible isn't even a satire of Reed at this point; he's an exact copy of him in every way possible.
@Cyan:
Aquaman has a stable relationship with his wife, so no.
I mean in the sense that he's utterly useless in superfriends (one-dimensional power)
Not really. Ant Man is hated for his actions against Janet, but he is considered a viable member of the team for his powers and scientific capability.
Aquaman is hated because people deem him useless, even though he is extremely powerful, has super strength that is a tier lower than Superman, has thick and hard to destroy skin, commands the creatures of the deep which can range from helpful dolphins to sharks bursting out of the ground to giant monsters you'd expect from HP Lovecraft. That's when he's out of water. If he summons water to him or brings you into water, god help you.
Hatred toward Ant Man as person is understandable.
Hatred towards Aquaman for being useless is now proof of ignorance to who is.
To say Ant Man's abilities are useless in the world of Marvel is ridiculous, when a teenage girl with the ability to talk to and move like a squirrel is capable of bringing Thanos, the biggest villain that this movie franchise is building up towards, to his knees without the help of any other hero.
Same girl defeated Wolverine, Deadpool, and Dr. Doom (who is legitimately terrified of her after his defeat).
I'm 90% sure that the aquaman hate comes purely from that one powerpuff girl commercial.
As insider said when you think about it he has superstrength, can survive water pressure that would crush a sub, swim faster then said sub, and is a telepath that can control almost all ocean life. The man controls 70% of the planet.
I want to like hank. I always liked size shifting as a power. I like the fact that he knows that giant man is really less useful then ant man. That said he has his hate.
@Cyan:
Prof. Impossible isn't even a satire of Reed at this point; he's an exact copy of him in every way possible.
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"Reed, what could be more important than making people's lives better?"\
"…ssssssssscience...?"
Not really. Ant Man is hated for his actions against Janet, but he is considered a viable member of the team for his powers and scientific capability.
Aquaman is hated because people deem him useless, even though he is extremely powerful, has super strength that is a tier lower than Superman, has thick and hard to destroy skin, commands the creatures of the deep which can range from helpful dolphins to sharks bursting out of the ground to giant monsters you'd expect from HP Lovecraft. That's when he's out of water. If he summons water to him or brings you into water, god help you.
Hatred toward Ant Man as person is understandable.
Hatred towards Aquaman for being useless is now proof of ignorance to who is.
To say Ant Man's abilities are useless in the world of Marvel is ridiculous, when a teenage girl with the ability to talk to and move like a squirrel is capable of bringing Thanos, the biggest villain that this movie franchise is building up towards, to his knees without the help of any other hero.
Same girl defeated Wolverine, Deadpool, and Dr. Doom (who is legitimately terrified of her after his defeat).
Oh no I don't imply to put down Aquaman's capabilities, it's more of a one-off joke where aquaman was widely considered useless during the superfriends era. I don't feel too strongly off the matter (not a huge comic follower) but in a certain sense it's kinda memorable since it really stuck out to me. Although I do have to admit my perception of him changed somewhat after watching the justice league cartoon
To be honest, one of the biggest douchebags in Marvel is Dr. Strange.
P.S. - The Fantastic Four are a horrible hero team. They gave Galactus back his one true weakness, for some reason or another–I think it was to protect Earth (lol)--and let him keep it safe in his giant-freaking flagship that no one can reach or breach.
It didn't kill her, but you're right on that part.
But this is the same universe that has Pietro and Wanda Maximoff committing incest, Tony and Black Widow having a sex tape made public, and Wasp being killed because the Blob suddenly became a cannibal. I'm not saying the Ultimate series is shit, but there is plenty wrong…
All of that is from Loeb's issues. Everybody tries to pretend that never happened.
@Cyan:
From what I understand, Ultimate Tony is the only morally decent member of the Ultimates. Everyone else is a jackass.
These days all the Ultimates are pretty straight-forward heroes. It's not nearly as much fun to read about as Mark Millar's Ultimates though. If you want to read about jackasses you have to read the Avengers, but the writers never realise that they're all being jackasses.
One thing i always did like about the FF is that their powers were limited
There's nothing more boring than a hero with a two page list of powers and abilities
Not really. Ant Man is hated for his actions against Janet, but he is considered a viable member of the team for his powers and scientific capability.
Aquaman is hated because people deem him useless, even though he is extremely powerful, has super strength that is a tier lower than Superman, has thick and hard to destroy skin, commands the creatures of the deep which can range from helpful dolphins to sharks bursting out of the ground to giant monsters you'd expect from HP Lovecraft. That's when he's out of water. If he summons water to him or brings you into water, god help you.
Hatred toward Ant Man as person is understandable.
Hatred towards Aquaman for being useless is now proof of ignorance to who is.
To say Ant Man's abilities are useless in the world of Marvel is ridiculous, when a teenage girl with the ability to talk to and move like a squirrel is capable of bringing Thanos, the biggest villain that this movie franchise is building up towards, to his knees without the help of any other hero.
Same girl defeated Wolverine, Deadpool, and Dr. Doom (who is legitimately terrified of her after his defeat).
Seriously, I don't get it. What is with the Aquaman hate? Is it just because at first glance he looks weak?
People assume Aquaman needs a large body of water to use his powers, therefore, they assume he's weak, because most fights don't occur near a large body of water. However, that's wrong. Aquaman can use (most of) his powers without a large body of water.
A switch from aquaman to seaman should up his popularity some
I blame this video. When it became popular he went from water themed superhero to the guy who can talk to fish.
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