16 chars of everybody needs one of these.
!
@Strelоk:
And you have to insult people you don't know in addition to shit-posting and derailing the thread?
Wait, how are you even here?
16 chars of everybody needs one of these.
!
@Strelоk:
And you have to insult people you don't know in addition to shit-posting and derailing the thread?
Wait, how are you even here?
@Strelоk:
And you have to insult people you don't know in addition to shit-posting and derailing the thread?
Yes, sometimes the guy who generally posts nothing but incredibility condescending abrasive tirades at people and often finishes his posts with stuff like "You're an idiot" needs a reality check.
@Monkey:
GRR IM TOUGH GUY DAN DANGEROUS. NOTHIN GETS BY ME AND MY NUMBSKULLED BOXING GLOVES.
WORDS HAVE MORE NUANCED MEANING OUTSIDE OF THE DICTIONARY??? NOT IN MY TOWN. UNGH! UNH! SMASHES NUANCE WITH GLOVES
THAT JUST PLAIN CONFUSED MY DUMB HEAD. NO WAY JOSE, HAD TO BE SMASHED!
DIFFERING INTERNAL SERIES RULES?? HELL NO, IM GONNA BOX THAT AWAY TOO, IT HURTS MY HEAD TOO MUCH. I DONT BELIEVE IN NUANCE! ODA CANT POSSIBLY DEMARCATE FLASHBACKS AS HAVING DIFFERENT RULES! NUANCE SUCKS!!! UNGH!! UNH!!! SMASHES EVEN MORE NUANCE
ME MAKE SERIES CLEAR FOR OTHER IDIOTS. YEAH!
The. Irony.
@Monkey:
Is a boat.
You don't get this story.
@krule274:
16 chars of everybody needs one of these.
Good advice.
@Dan:
1, We count them because it's the same fucking story, by the same author, in the same world, with real characters, that are not separate from the story, at all. This is arbitrary nonsense you're spouting. If he kills a character he kills a character. Period. .
I must agree with you here. Facts are facts. I´ve read posts saying that in X SBS ODA said he didn´t like to kill off characters, however there is a huge breach between liking and doing. I´m not saying that the fisrt one will not affect the seccond one, but there are many things people do in life whether they like it or not and for several other reasons, if you get my drift…
@Dan:
3, Keeping Pell alive was not a bad dramatic choice in my opinion. The dramatic value is that he was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good, and then he did willingly make that sacrifice. That he lived is happenstance after the fact. He didn't know he would live and it doesn't cheapen his heroic and noble actions. That's how i see these situations. Death isn't required to seal the deal.
I cannot say it was good or bad without being biased, I suppose its one of those things that depends on the beholders eye. The fact is that Mr falcon is alive and kicking. Personally I felt a bit relieved but somewhat annoyed by Oda´s choice here. I just had to go with him being a zoan guardian and their massive endurance and recovery rate and move on with my life. Honestly I felt pagayas survival much more odd and unbelievable as he didn´t have anything up for him, God knows that under normal circumstances a rock at the nape of the neck is all you need to kill someone like him, but I guess the difference in altitude makes electricity unable to kill anyone… who knows.
It's obvious. Doffy is the biggest dwarf there's ever been and that's why he's king
@krule274:
Wait, how are you even here?
Why shouldn't I be here?
@Strelоk:
Why shouldn't I be here?
Sorry, I'm losing my head. I must have gotten you confused with the other Strelok.
@Strelоk:
And you have to insult people you don't know in addition to shit-posting and derailing the thread?
Dan does make a point though? Why is it when people making points someone else goes at there throat?
@krule274:
Sorry, I'm losing my head. I must have gotten you confused with the other Strelok.
There is only one Strelok.
@Dan:
Yes, sometimes the guy who generally posts nothing but incredibility condescending abrasive tirades at people and often finishes his posts with stuff like "You're an idiot" needs a reality check.
Tell me Dan, how long do you think I've been doing this lol. Then try and explain the needed check.
The. Irony.
No seriously, do explain.
You're smashing through any attempts to explain how Oda's mind might work in his choices. Just smashing on through like a crazed ape in the jungle, trampling over any explanations of why say…flashbacks are something Oda considers as different from the present...or that the fact that Whitebeard and Ace died in a very particular point of the series to the extent that it was Oda saying "Alright HERE I'll give a little"
You don't get this story.
Strong emotional attachment to a faithful ship doesn't mean it's a death in the sense of Ace lol. Nor does it suggest Oda is really loosey goosey with the killing thing.
Oda's really bad about killing off characters so any attempts at suspense that involve anyone being in danger generally amount to zero. There's barely ever any genuine tension and makes it really hard to care in general.
He pretty much sucks at that aspect.
I just found out there is a disease which causes the person to have no sense of direction… maybe Zoro suffers from it :ninja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographical_disorientation
@Monkey:
So you're a literalist! How long have you had this problem?.
Well you see MK, facts are facts.
@Monkey:
Or maybe you aren't very left brained after all.
Say pal, let's do some numbers. How many characters with names have there been in One Piece? And have been faced with what normally would be death, or even seemed like it? Out of that amount…how many does three stand against?
Wow! That certainly is lopsided!
Now, one more thing for you to consider!
If we had two people, one trying to establish a trend of Oda treating killing characters like the plague, and one trying to say he'll totally off some people right around now no problem.
Which one would actually be grasping at straws..
Oh no, but hey it doesn´t matter if its one or a million my point was that death is there. Btw I´m not speaking about trends, what I said is that ODA kills regardless of the name or temporary basis (flashback or not) he kills. Another thing, When there´s a war and 3 soldiers die out of a million, do you go to their families to say "how many does three stand against". Life is life whether in manga or not, this is not a mathematical approach to say Ohh this number is so minute that we can overlook it. (I didn´t mean to bold this but the bolding option is not working right in my laptop who knows why). @Monkey:
Whoop, back to being super left brained we go.
Hey if you're so hot for numbers tell me about probablity.
Also thanks for concocting a False Dichotomy absolutely out of the blue.
What a wacky world you must live in where trends and probability don't exist. And a guy who only really lay the axe down in one incredibly decisive point, is the exact same as a guy who kills off every single character he can lol.
What the fuck are you talking about. Oda killed a couple people and suddenly this puts him on the same category as Yoshiyuki "Ideon" Tomino? The hell?
Nothing you're saying makes any sense. ?.
Who is putting Oda in what category? I´m not categorizing him at all. Lol at the probability and trend approach, but I guess you felt I was categorizing him? can you explain to me how was I doing this?
@Monkey:
Nobody said death doesn't exist you dingus.
well its the way you Word it
@Monkey:
I feel you inability to parse that as non-literal and subsequent confusion at extremely obvious patterns and nature of authorship to be a sign of a highly detrimental learning disability or five. .
Different views perhaps, I think we have different perception of life whether in manga or out of it. You seem too number centered in this topic, which even if it might be cold it might prove worthy. I on the other hand take it as important regardless of character rol. Now, this long and complicated wordings to say something you could express in a shorter fashion just reinforced my view that I had over the last posts that I´ve read from you. I´ll keep that thinking to myself as I would like to keep this post as civilized as possible
@Monkey:
What does this even mean.
This doesn't mean anything either..
I ment to say it was a peaceful sea. Hahahaha lol at pacific.
@Monkey:
Hey neat, I also never said we'd never ever have another death.
So seriously, how long have you been following this series, and why did you speedread it.
Is this your answer to my questions?. God you answered everything except what I asked. Lets see if I can answer yours a bit better. I´ve been following this series since 2006 and I´m awful at speedreading especially online I get teary eyed.
@Monkey:
You're an idiot.
And here I was thinking we were having a civilized discussion, Please and thank you I would feel so much better if you keep this to yourself. You don´t do any good in the internet with this approach
@Dan:
Kaido won't be one of those guys i'm certain.
Top left, above Hawkins. That's probably Kaido.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/147354/one-piece_ch693_by_mangarule/2
That is "Jesus Burgess"
How to get into a fight on the internet in one step:
Step 1- State your opinion….
How to get into a fight on the internet:
Step 1- State your opinion….
How to get into a 1 vs 20 fight on the internet:
Step 1- Try to support your opinion after it was ridiculed.
luchar~
Step 2 - Don't post
If you don't post, then you'll be bringing peace. That's the opposite of how you get in a fight on the internet.
que es el opuesto~
@Monkey:
Tell me Dan, how long do you think I've been doing this lol. Then try and explain the needed check.
Don't know, don't particularly care, don't think it matters, don't see your point.
@Monkey:
No seriously, do explain.
You're smashing through any attempts to explain how Oda's mind might work in his choices. Just smashing on through like a crazed ape in the jungle, trampling over any explanations of why say…flashbacks are something Oda considers as different from the present...or that the fact that Whitebeard and Ace died in a very particular point of the series to the extent that it was Oda saying "Alright HERE I'll give a little"
I'll explain the irony, which was basically the cause of my fed up outburst, and my position.
The irony is in someone who goes around acting like you, consonantly insulting and belittling people like he's John Wayne back from the dead with a PhD in badassery calling anyone else a tough guy.
By the way i had no clue why you would be pushing that persona on me. Couldn't be further from the truth. But i guess it's the user name and avatar? I'm an MMA fan and i think double initials are neat. That's all. The other day i'm a weaboo, now i'm a keyboard warrior, and of course i'm always an idiot… how much do you think you know the people you talk to on the internet?
And my opinion is already explained, but again. I do not feel there is a significance in the difference between killing characters in flashback and real time. Others may but so far i have found the reasoning unconvincing. There IS a distinction and a pattern there, but whatever the details may be i don't care. Like i said, i do not find them significant. Oda is still killing important, fleshed out characters, in brutally emotional ways within in the same story, with relevance to the current characters and current plot. The structure of flashbacks does not in any way meaningfully insulate and/or invalidate these examples, as i see it. This proves to me he doesn't have this 'hang up' about killing
And i certainly don't think him killing Ace and Whitebeard was an 'okay, i'll give' moment. The progression of the plot called for their deaths. That's all. If important, named characters only die in the present in order to facilitate the plot (as they do in flashbacks as well), i have no problem with that. It's a hell of a lot better than the Star Terk writers trotting out the Red Shirt of the week, for example.
@Monkey:
Strong emotional attachment to a faithful ship doesn't mean it's a death in the sense of Ace lol. Nor does it suggest Oda is really loosey goosey with the killing thing.
Come on man. Merry wasn't just as ship. She had a 'soul', and her 'death' was, and was intended to be, just as significant and meaningful as any other character's death would be.
Oda will likely not go loosey goosey with killing people (though people do change styles and in general over the years, i'm certainly not expecting it though). More than likely death and killing will be limited to circumstances of plot facilitation and fodder getting off paneled or very ambiguously killed during on panel action
If you don't post, then you'll be bringing peace. That's the opposite of how you get in a fight on the internet.
que es el opuesto~
No, you are wrong!
@Strelоk:
No, you are wrong!
Nope Nope. If I decided not to post to your post, then peace would have been developed. But i couldn't resist not responding back. I'm indeed correct
Digo la verdad~
How to stop a fight on the internet and bring peace back:
Step 1: Cookies! http://www.zwedenweb.com/site/assets/files/1342/chocolate_chip_cookies.jpg
HOORAY!!!
paz~
Nope Nope. If I decided not to post to your post, then peace would have been developed. But i couldn't resist not responding back. I'm indeed correct
Digo la verdad~
I was just proving you, no need to thank me.
How to get into a 1 vs 20 fight on the internet:
Step 1- Try to support your opinion after it was ridiculed.
luchar~
Thanks for the post I laughed so hard wwhile Reading this P.S: Gotta go but I´ll be back son to answer all your posts MK
Well you see MK, facts are facts.
The fact is you are direly incapable of parsing what people are actually saying, which even that Ace dude had no problem with. And he thinks Oda is going to burn a woman to death!
Oh no, but hey it doesn´t matter if its one or a million
Except that actually what people are talking about. Me, the Ace dude, everyone else.That's the discussion. That's what its been. That's the debate. That's the thing in question.You and maybe Dumb Dangerously are the only ones autistic enough to be confused about this.
Btw I´m not speaking about trends, what I said is that ODA kills regardless of the name or temporary basis (flashback or not) he kills.
And so in ignoring all nuance and Oda-behavior, you have nothing to add to this conversation whatsoever on how likely it is that Oda will kill off Rebecca and Toyman.
Another thing, When there´s a war and 3 soldiers die out of a million, do you go to their families to say "how many does three stand against". Life is life whether in manga or not,
0__0
Are you alright?
this is not a mathematical approach to say Ohh this number is so minute that we can overlook it. (I didn´t mean to bold this but the bolding option is not working right in my laptop who knows why).
Are you…are you really offended that I'm being callous about dead fake people.
**Different views perhaps, I think we have different values of life whether in manga or out of it.
Are you ok? O__O
**Is this your answer to my questions?. God you answered everything except what I asked. Lets see if I can answer yours a bit better. I´ve been following this series since 2006 and I´m awful at speedreading especially online I get teary eyed.
If I'm avoiding your question, it might be because you're not actually even having the same discussion as we were.
But nevermidn that because
"Life is life whether in manga or not,"O___O****
@Strelоk:
No, you are wrong!
I don't understand. How is not posting going to get you into a fight?
I don't understand. How is not posting going to get you into a fight?
If I asked you, for instance, what is your favorite color... and you never responded, well I'd imagine that your neglect to answer the question will cause a fight!
están luchando~
hmm
Doflaminggo so cleverly…
he tell sakazuki about that
That is "Jesus Burgess"
No, I don't think so, at all. Seing how we see 3 out of 4 emperors on this, it is most likely kaido, especially seing we dont see any of the yonkous crew mates on this, so yea. I think you are wrong.
If I asked you, for instance, what is your favorite color... and you never responded, well I'd imagine that your neglect to answer the question will cause a fight!
están luchando~
Lol, Ok, i guess that makes sense.
So . . .I hear there was a chapter released this week. Anyone want to talk about that? I heard we had major plot development and everything.
Lol, Ok, i guess that makes sense..
What is your favorite color by the way?
su color favorito~
What is your favorite color by the way?
su color favorito~
Purple <– before you call me gay, i wanted to clarify that i'm a girl.
mi color favorito es morado.
@Dan:
I'll explain the irony, which was basically the cause of my fed up outburst, and my position.
I already know why you're sperging out lol.
By the way i had no clue why you would be pushing that persona on me. Couldn't be further from the truth. But i guess it's the user name and avatar? I'm an MMA fan and i think double initials are neat. That's all. The other day i'm a weaboo, now i'm a keyboard warrior, and of course i'm always an idiot… how much do you think you know the people you talk to on the internet?
BartArt is a dapper dressed music prodigy that knows cool bars to chill in near the Reykjavik waterfront.
I do not feel there is a significance in the difference between killing characters in flashback and real time.
Do you know what we're talking about? We're discussing Oda. What patterns he follows in killing, when, why, etc.
He kills em' casual in flashbacks.
Usopp's mom, Zeff's crew, Bellemere, Hiruluk, Norland, Calgara, Tom, Brooke's entireeee crew, Fisher Tiger, Otohime. And probably some more people are gonna die in some Dressrosa related flashback someone will have.
Meanwhile, he does NOT in the non-black rimmed present stuff.
This is an existing pattern that is inarguable. Anyone trying to discuss how likely it is that Oda will kill people in the present, such as Rebecca and Toyman? Has to think and consider the present behavior of how Oda writes.
It's really really goddamned simple.
There IS a distinction and a pattern there, but whatever the details may be i don't care.
So you argument is I DONT CARE. lol.
Oda is still killing important, fleshed out characters, in brutally emotional ways within in the same story, with relevance to the current characters and current plot. The structure of flashbacks does not in any way meaningfully insulate and/or invalidate these examples, as i see it. This proves to me he doesn't have this 'hang up' about killing
Alright maybe I've been tossing around weeaboo and boxing idiot all willy nilly.
But one pattern does emerge about you over two different arguments.
You are one boneheaded motherfucker lol.
Which I guess is the point I was making with the boxing thing really.
And i certainly don't think him killing Ace and Whitebeard was an 'okay, i'll give' moment. The progression of the plot called for their deaths. That's all. If important, named characters only die in the present in order to facilitate the plot (as they do in flashbacks as well), i have no problem with that. It's a hell of a lot better than the Star Terk writers trotting out the Red Shirt of the week, for example.
So are you ignoring alllll those other characters who didn't die or what.
Come on man. Merry wasn't just as ship. She had a 'soul', and her 'death' was, and was intended to be, just as significant and meaningful as any other character's death would be.
Why am I even going to argue with a guy whose response to overwhelming evidence is "I don't care". Maybe I'm an asshole, but at least I'm not stupid stubborn. What a pointless person to debate with.
Purple <– before you call me gay, i wanted to clarify that i'm a girl.
mi color favorito es morado.
Men can like the color purple. Hell the most badass, most feared NFL team( the Baltimore Ravens) are purple!!
Purple is a Boss color!
I dare someone to tell Ray Lewis he looks gay.
My favorite color is Blue!
gracias por compartir~
no fights on this page yet? Well that means it's time for rainbows
edit: forget about this -_-
No fights on this page yet? Well that means it's time for rainbows!!!
http://www.photographers-resource.co.uk/images/Photography/landscapes/rainbows/Rainbow-diagram-ROYGBIV_svg.png
Better yet…
Rainbow Deserts!!!!!!
!
son deliciosos~!
At times like this I miss Greg being around to school people on Oda's patterns…
I don't understand. How is not posting going to get you into a fight?
I was just proving his point, like I said above.
Oda goes out of his way to avoid killing characters real time. Even unnamed fodder. Saboady has a few good examples. How is this even being argued?
Oda goes out of his way to avoid killing characters real time. Even unnamed fodder. Saboady has a few good examples. How is this even being argued?
Who understands? I don't get it either… That is probably the most established fact about OP there is...
@Dan:
He has to set up a room beforehand in order to teleport, yes? Perhaps he didn't? Though that would be quite an oversight. Also i can't remember if a range was ever put on his teleportation. Perhaps Dressrosa/safety is too far away?
Punk Hazard suggests he can make insanely large rooms and can move/separate anything within that field. He claims his limitation is stamina, but he's currently at max HP. The map (inaccurate) shows a tiny island and tiny bridge, so again I reference Punk Hazard.
Punk Hazard suggests he can make insanely large rooms and can move/separate anything within that field. He claims his limitation is stamina, but he's currently at max HP. The map (inaccurate) shows a tiny island and tiny bridge, so again I reference Punk Hazard.
Maybe the problem is that he has nowhere to run to? His room isn't exactly subtle, and retreating back to Dressrosa would give away where he is immediately to DD, assuming the latter can't use CoO haki to find him anyway. And DD can fly, presumably much faster than Law can move around without using his Room.
Ahd if he tries to just jump around with his room, he'll run out of power eventually.
Oda goes out of his way to avoid killing characters real time. Even unnamed fodder. Saboady has a few good examples. How is this even being argued?
People were sent to go chip people out of the coating of poisonous semi-nuclear winter body coverings like they were waking them up for football practice not but a volume ago lol. I really don't even know.
Punk Hazard suggests he can make insanely large rooms and can move/separate anything within that field. He claims his limitation is stamina, but he's currently at max HP. The map (inaccurate) shows a tiny island and tiny bridge, so again I reference Punk Hazard.
Well, proportion isn't Oda's forte (vide "150 km")… So, I can actually see him making this distance be too much for Law's room ability, even though the evidence we have from Punk Hazard suggests that it should be an easy distance for him.
Well law have 2 minutes left , kill ceaser so kaidou can slaughter fujitora and dd
Well law have 2 minutes left , kill ceaser so kaidou can slaughter fujitora and dd
And then they die…
Don't think that plan will work for them either.
no va a funcionar~
Sorry guys I don't understand why you keep saying Law can have multiple rooms
Sorry guys I don't understand why you keep saying Law can have multiple rooms
I don't think anyone said that.
So how will Law survive this situation? here's an idea:
Law kills Cesar, and then he gets surrounded by Marines and Doflamingo is arriving, he's just few hundred meters away from them. Law pulls out his sword and slices a dozen marine fodder, and while no ones watching he swaps hands of some marine he sliced with his own hands (readers don't actually get to see him doing this).
Fujitora takes out his sword and says: "Law don't be foolish and surrender."
On to which Law respond: Ok, I surrender myself into the hands of the authorities of the world government.
DoFlamingo screams in anger: "The hell you do, you're mine little traitor" and charges at him.
Doflamingo's attack gets blocked by Fujitora and he sends DD flying.
Fujitora says to his subordinates: "Put handcuffs on him and take away his weapon" which is what they do, while Law puts no resistance, only his hands move a little bit strangely, as if he has trouble controlling them.
In the background we see sliced marines trying to put back their bodies, and saying: "has anyone seen my hands, whose leg is this, I don't think these are mine kintama"
Then DoFlamingo returns, pissed off at everyone, and Law starts provoking him verbally even more. DoFlamingo starts arguing with Fujitora about giving him Law, while Law is pushing his buttons with verbal provocations, while marines in the background are still trying to assemble their bodies: "a: Has anyone seen my hands b:Are these your hands? a: lol no! I don't have tattoos."
Eventually this arguments between DD and Fujitora escalated into a fight, so we get to see a lot of destruction, Green bit sliced in half, large portion of island destroyed etc, but eventually Fujitora, tired and seriously injured, wins the fight.
At this point Law drops off his fake hands with kairoseki handcuffs, teleports his real hands back, teleports his sword into a hand, charges at Fujitora and cuts him in half.
Then he cuts everything else also.
Arc ends too fast?