I think what's allowed me to accept Oda not really killing people is he's very good at drawing people get really fucked up, it's like a tradeoff of sorts.
Yes we're robbed of levels of tension and drama, but the man can show an ass kicking like few others.
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Oda, please make Caribou go away… catch up with Jinbei or something?
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look at your avatar and your sig
I don't think you get the joke about me having Baron Samedi.
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Oda, please make Caribou go away… catch up with Jinbei or something?
I want to see more Caribou. Oda… please make Caribou stay! catch up with Jinbei later
mantener el mismo~
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Why is people assuming that Fujitora will just fight against Law because DD is still a Shishibukai and Law may no be one anymore (Brannew doesn't know anything about this matter), wasn't Fuji blind justice, I can see him taking the same actions that Tashigi chose back in Alabasta and end up helping Law in Green Bit as of now DD is a bigger tread than Law, and Luffy just got to the NW and haven't done anything significant for Akainu to go all out in him just yet
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@Monkey:
The fact is you are direly incapable of parsing what people are actually saying, which even that Ace dude had no problem with. And he thinks Oda is going to burn a woman to death!
Except that actually what people are talking about. Me, the Ace dude, everyone else.That's the discussion. That's what its been. That's the debate. That's the thing in question.You and maybe Dumb Dangerously are the only ones autistic enough to be confused about this.And so in ignoring all nuance and Oda-behavior, you have nothing to add to this conversation whatsoever on how likely it is that Oda will kill off Rebecca and Toyman.
If I'm avoiding your question, it might be because you're not actually even having the same discussion as we were.
But nevermidn that becauseRebecca and Toyman? I did see a post about them but I thought the discussion was about death in OP. Uhm why would ODA kill rebecca and Toy man of all characters, I can´t really see it at the moment. yeah you are right in that the point I was discussing has nothing to do with Rebecca and Toy mans death, it was about death in general. BTW I LOVE :wub::wub: " Life is life whether in Manga or not". PS. I´m alright man, no biggie. Though I do like to keep discussion in an up beat possitive manner.I strongly dislike it when people bring bad vibes. The point that I tried to bring forward before still stands, ODA is capable of Killing his characters whether he likes it or not.
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Ahahah, first time Robin's jaw drops. Too damn cute.
Im glad Oda finally stepped up the pace.
I did not get why her jaw drop actualy… any one can explain?
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Rebecca and Toyman? I did see a post about them but I thought the discussion was about death in OP. Uhm why would ODA kill rebecca and Toy man of all characters, I can´t really see it at the moment. yeah you are right in that the point I was discussing has nothing to do with Rebecca and Toy mans death, it was about death in general. BTW I LOVE :wub::wub: " Life is life whether in Manga or not". PS. I´m alright man, no biggie. Though I do like to keep discussion in an up beat possitive manner.I strongly dislike it when people bring bad vibes. The point that I tried to bring forward before still stands, ODA is capable of Killing his characters whether he likes it or not.
No, Oda has real wierd problems with killing characters in the present time. And he must have made a very distinct choice regarding Whitebeard and Ace that sets them so apart from virtually every single other character with the exception of like two.
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I did not get why her jaw drop actualy… any one can explain?
Because the tontata tribe are soooo trusting and naive
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@Monkey:
No, Oda has real wierd problems with killing characters in the present time. And he must have made a very distinct choice regarding Whitebeard and Ace that sets them so apart from virtually every single other character with the exception of like two.
I know he has problems with killing his beloved characters, he must love them so much or whatever the reason. But he´s shown to be capable of killing even if it was only once, twice or three times. I agree he would prefer not to kill them but if the story gets to a point where it would definetely get better with the death of someone he wont falter… Well ok he will shake a Little while drawing but will do it all the same.
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@Dan:
Jesus fucking christ Monkey King, do you have to try hard to act like such a really really amazingly haunty and miserable prick, or does it come naturally? Your posts read like they come from a caricature of an asshole written by someone who never learned what subtlety was.
hahahaha this is how these forums are man
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So how will Law survive this situation? here's an idea:
Law kills Cesar, and then he gets surrounded by Marines and Doflamingo is arriving, he's just few hundred meters away from them. Law pulls out his sword and slices a dozen marine fodder, and while no ones watching he swaps hands of some marine he sliced with his own hands (readers don't actually get to see him doing this).
Fujitora takes out his sword and says: "Law don't be foolish and surrender."
On to which Law respond: Ok, I surrender myself into the hands of the authorities of the world government.
DoFlamingo screams in anger: "The hell you do, you're mine little traitor" and charges at him.Doflamingo's attack gets blocked by Fujitora and he sends DD flying.
Fujitora says to his subordinates: "Put handcuffs on him and take away his weapon" which is what they do, while Law puts no resistance, only his hands move a little bit strangely, as if he has trouble controlling them.
In the background we see sliced marines trying to put back their bodies, and saying: "has anyone seen my hands, whose leg is this, I don't think these are mine kintama"Then DoFlamingo returns, pissed off at everyone, and Law starts provoking him verbally even more. DoFlamingo starts arguing with Fujitora about giving him Law, while Law is pushing his buttons with verbal provocations, while marines in the background are still trying to assemble their bodies: "a: Has anyone seen my hands b:Are these your hands? a: lol no! I don't have tattoos."
Eventually this arguments between DD and Fujitora escalated into a fight, so we get to see a lot of destruction, Green bit sliced in half, large portion of island destroyed etc, but eventually Fujitora, tired and seriously injured, wins the fight.
At this point Law drops off his fake hands with kairoseki handcuffs, teleports his real hands back, teleports his sword into a hand, charges at Fujitora and cuts him in half.Then he cuts everything else also.
Arc ends too fast?
looooooooooool, i dont think so
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Does smoker even know about smiles? I mean he only knows him as a underworld dealer. So maybe WG made a deal with him to catch luffy law and many Pirates( Colloseum) and cp0 is investigating what DD is actualy doing
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Funny how people speak about deaths, I know it's a manga but, honestly I couldn't care less about it in this. (still the best there is, regardless of characters being killed) (imo!)
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Robin is sexy as fuck.
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Funny how people speak about deaths, I know it's a manga but, honestly I couldn't care less about it in this. (still the best there is, regardless of characters being killed) (imo!)
Exactly!
One Piece is suppose to be about the adventure. Campy and fun! If you want a manga of death, then you will never get it in One Piece. Berserk will give you all the death and blood that you seek.
no se hizo de esa manera~
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If I have to read one more post about this character is going to die I'm going to go crazy, what the fuck is wrong with you people, can you really read this many chapters of the manga and not get the general gist of how death works in Oda's manga????
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Like others have said Oda avoids killing people in the main timeline because he doesn't want things to be too grim by the end of the arc (outside of Marineford where it was appropriate). It's why most deaths are in tragic flashbacks and in off-screen happenings (like Bart's telegraph's of dead pirates, Law's brutality and all of the shit Ceasar did). It sort of like plot armor for every character, but I've grown used to it besides being a major flaw.
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Exactly!
One Piece is suppose to be about the adventure. Campy and fun! If you want a manga of death, then you will never get it in One Piece. Berserk will give you all the death and blood that you seek.
no se hizo de esa manera~
People don't want gore, they want effective drama in a story that is most interesting because it combines deathly serious extremely heartstring pulling drama with incredible goofy campiness.
If you honestly don't think One Piece has a serious side to it where death has a home I'm dumbfounded.I mean seriously. Do you remember what mangas we compared it to on death earlier?
Let me run that by you again: Dragonball, HunterXHunter, Naruto, Bleach.
Shonen action series. Where death is a aplenty (mostly on villains but still).What you're saying is actually really terribly selling One Piece short lol. As if it has no drama or serious stakes at hand. ahahah, what the hell manga are YOU reading.
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If I have to read one more post about this character is going to die I'm going to go crazy, what the fuck is wrong with you people, can you really read this many chapters of the manga and not get the general gist of how death works in Oda's manga????
Unfortunately no. Want to know one of the stupid reasons as to why?
Many have stated "We're in the NEw World, so now things have to be more dangerous and darker than before. Fodder need to start dying. Oda must kill!"
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@William:
Like others have said Oda avoids killing people in the main timeline because he doesn't want things to be too grim by the end of the arc (outside of Marineford where it was appropriate). It's why most deaths are in tragic flashbacks and in off-screen happenings (like Bart's telegraph's of dead pirates, Law's brutality and all of the shit Ceasar did). It sort of like plot armor for every character, but I've grown used to it besides being a major flaw.
And that being said, yeah, by now I'm so used to it that I'm not complaining, just saying.
I've been reading this thing for like a decade lol. Those complains are water under the birdge. -
At times like this I miss Greg being around to school people on Oda's patterns…
Anyone who's read OP cover to cover and took middle school English can do it.
Zeph is doing a fine job.Sympathetic characters not named Whitebeard or Ace have never been definitively killed outside of flashbacks. The idea that a freedom fighter and his spunky gladiator lover would burn to death just because that happened in the story they were inspired by is lunacy. Might they find themselves trapped in a fire? Sure. That would be enough for the parallel. But in the end someone would rescue them or they'd walk out relatively unscathed, just like every poison/bomb/burn/shock/drowning/gunshot/petrification/blood loss victim in OP before them.
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@Monkey:
People don't want gore, they want effective drama in a story that is most interesting because it combines deathly serious extremely heartstring pulling drama with incredible goofy campiness.
If you honestly don't think One Piece has a serious side to it where death has a home I'm dumbfounded.I mean seriously. Do you remember what mangas we compared it to on death earlier?
Let me run that by you again: Dragonball, HunterXHunter, Naruto, Bleach.
Shonen action series. Where death is a aplenty (mostly on villains but still).What you're saying is actually really terribly selling One Piece short lol. As if it has no drama or serious stakes at hand. ahahah, what the hell manga are YOU reading.
One Piece rarely has those moments; at least when death is concerned. And, am I the only one who does get his heartstrings pulled when death isn't even a concern? Like that little dog from the BUggy arc got his home taken away, or when one of the giants from the Little Garden Arc was bombed? Or even when Moccha ate the candy?
That's it! Those moments are all I need from One Piece. Hell, if shit like the Rugrats and Hey Arnold can pull heartstrings in this way, why are we so demanding of One Piece to do so in terms of deaths?
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One Piece rarely has those moments; at least when death is concerned.
One Piece has the moments virtually every single arc.
Let's run down the ol' checklist of plotlines shall we?
-Town ran by power mad military garrison captain
-Town overrun by pirates
-Rich girl murder plot by her beloved butler and his secret pirate past
-Racial dictatorship over island maintained by corrupt military, dead mother shot in head in front of little girl forced to save town by herself in secret for eight years
-Whale smashing head against immovable wall in hopeless attempt to see long dead friends
-Town of bounty hunters murders pirates in their sleep
-Dueling friends fight sabotaged, too much pride to admit to wounds leads to horrible accident
-Evil king returns to take over country again after brief window of freedom, frankestein's monster reindeer man terrified of people
-Civil war threatens to rip open country, all concocted by trusted buccaneer who wants to become next leader to revive ancient death weapon
-Sky Israel at war with Sky Palestine, evil dictator god rules Sky Israel, two men died in vain trying to contact eachother one with people's laughter ringing in ears
-Secret Agents frame heroes in bid to obtain plans for ancient death weapon, main lead gives herself up to etenral imprisonment or death in order to defend only people to ever take her in for herself.
-Dead man comes back, all his friends dead, forced to remain in shadowy fog area if he wants to survive, fifty years this goes on roughly
-Untouchable Brahmin caste who freely murder and enslave people are crossed by heroes at threat of destruction from government
-Hero's brother to be executed, huge bloody battle starts over this
-Racially oppressed people stuck in gleaming undersea ghetto for all their existence threatened by extremists from their own communityThese ARE the plots to like almost all the arcs. These ARE the plots.
The fact that Oda delivers them with so much light in them anyway, and resolves them in classic shonen style, with great skill. Does not change that these are what they are.
The way you talk, every arc is the Davy Back Fight lol. Nope!And, am I the only one who does get his heartstrings pulled when death isn't even a concern?
No, just like nobody has said death needs to be there or needs to be involved for drama. But thanks for making up that Strawman Argument.
Like that little dog from the BUggy arc got his home taken away, or when one of the giants from the Little Garden Arc was bombed?
That giant (Dorry) was cut down by Brogy, and was assumed dead until the fight was over btw. The characters, namely Brogy would be acting less pissed off if they thought Brogy was alive lol.
That's it! Those moments are all I need from One Piece. Hell, if shit like the Rugrats and Hey Arnold can pull heartstrings in this way, why are we so demanding of One Piece to do so in terms of deaths?
lol this is what I mean. You're in denial about One Piece involving actual like serious plot lines that involve wars, and dictators, and Sky Israel/Palestine, and stepmoms being shot in the head lol.
You're comparing that dramatically to babies doing baby things, and a bunch of kids hanging out in a city? Where death outside of pets and grandparents would be way out of place….and WAS even something that happened lol? Unlike say, allll of those plotlines I just listed?Jesus christ lol, at least use something taking place in a similar environment or plot type. Like gee, any of One Piece's fellow shonen?
Usually it's the other way around with people denying One Piece has a goofy side. First time I EVER seen someone deny the serious side loll. -
Because death makes the story more believable, when you have death in the story you realize that every character is vulnerable, but when you don't have death it makes it feel like there isn't any danger. And in a story like One Piece, where the whole world is dangerous, we need more death.
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"Sky Israel at was with Sky Palestine, evil dictator god rules Sky Israel" I lol'd
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Because death makes the story more believable, when you have death in the story you realize that every character is vulnerable, but when you don't have death it makes it feel like there isn't any danger. And in a story like One Piece, where the whole world is dangerous, we need more death.
It's really more that something like what Pell did. Is extremely cheapened by him surviving. It's more that.
Or things like Mr.9 and Ms.Monday being alive. If you read that scene again it's actually pretty harrowing. Vivi is desperately trying to escape, because Mr.5 and Ms.Valentine found out who she is.
And they just wipe out 9 and Monday viciously, almost like this sort of Terminator thing where you get this awful feeling of "Fuck, this chick is ALONE now, and these two are cold as ice".
Which is then turned on by Vivi finding sanctuary with our heroes. Who whup 5 and Valentines like it's no problem.But apparently 9 and Monday were just knocked out lol.
Takes a little something out of that scene. Though it's easy to ignore since you only really find out they're alive like a million chapters later.Though in Oda's credit, he's equal oppertunity toward good and bad guys alike. Which is honestly actually better than the super lopsided thing you get in Naruto or Bleach where villains almost all die, but the heroes rarely rarely ever do. At least Oda is consistent!
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@Monkey:
It's really more that something like what Pell did. Is extremely cheapened by him surviving. It's more that.
Or things like Mr.9 and Ms.Monday being alive. If you read that scene again it's actually pretty harrowing. Vivi is desperately trying to escape, because Mr.5 and Ms.Valentine found out who she is.
And they just wipe out 9 and Monday viciously, almost like this sort of Terminator thing where you get this awful feeling of "Fuck, this chick is ALONE now, and these two are cold as ice".
Which is then turned on by Vivi finding sanctuary with our heroes. Who whup 5 and Valentines like it's no problem.But apparently 9 and Monday were just knocked out lol.
Takes a little something out of that scene. Though it's easy to ignore since you only really find out they're alive like a million chapters later.True, and i agree with your point about One Piece having really serious moments. And the Sky Israel and Sky Palestine, i can't believe I never noticed that! I'm about to go rewatch/read Skypea just because of that!
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"Sky Israel at was with Sky Palestine, evil dictator god rules Sky Israel" I lol'd
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Look man, we're on the same page here. I don't care if my posts don't show it, but we are in agreement. Your giant wall of text is basically what I wanted to say, but lord knows I don't have the patience to explain.
My main issue, is that, even when you include all of this evidence, there are readers that will tell you that there is still a lack of death in the series. It's as if… people want straightforward deaths. Out right "BOn Clay died in Impel Down/ Monet is dead" deaths.
One Piece doesn't really need any of that. The incorporation of death that it currently has is fine.
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True, and i agree with your point about One Piece having really serious moments. And the Sky Israel and Sky Palestine, i can't believe I never noticed that! I'm about to go rewatch/read Skypea just because of that!
It's really pretty simple. That case of "You're in our land!!", "Yeah, I know but we live here now we can't leave!", "But I'm still oppressed! And it's still our land!" etc that you see many places irl.
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My main issue, is that, even when you include all of this evidence, there are readers that will tell you that there is still a lack of death in the series. It's as if… people want blatant death. Out right "BOn Clay died in Impel Down/ Monet is dead" deaths.
You're acting like death is cheap. It can be, but it does have a lot of point.
The only reason I'm not calling for more like some of these people is…They: Are young and new to the series.
I: Have been reading for ten years and got used to it a long time ago.It's Oda's way, and for the most part he's still a pro at making drama work. Even with his strange hangup.
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I always connected it with Americans and Native Americans but it can actually be connected with Israel and Palestine as well
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I always connected it with Americans and Native Americans but it can actually be connected with Israel and Palestine as well
It works better with Israel/Palestine because the Shandians/Palestinians are politically separate from the Skypieans/Israelis. Rather than just living on Sky Island but in poor conditions under the Shandians like the Native Americans/Catholic North Irish/Black South Africans.
I'd like to compare it to Cyprus too, but it doesn't quite work since those sides are still on their Vearth, they're just on different halves.
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I really do think deep down Oda is incredibly Gene Roddenberryish in his mixture of heavy duty political/social themes into a pulpy cornball context.
I mean goddamn, he drew his goofy fish people henchman dressed up like the Fish-KKK burning the house of a family who literally mixed blood lol. And suicide bombers.
Fishman Island was a hella flawed arc, but there was super good and serious ideas going on it.
Moderate governments of scared populations being taken over by extremists and driven to war against the "other" is EXACTLY what caused all the genocides and wars in the Balkans in the 90's. Slobodan "Hody" Milosevic. -
Whoah can't believe I never notice any of these connections to real world 0_o
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Whoah can't believe I never notice any of these connections to real world 0_o
I dunno what country you live in, but for Americans? The image of hooded guys showing up at a house at night to burn it down and rough up or kill the inhabitants for some racial reason is a real "HOLLLLY SHIT ODA 0__0" thing to see lol. But he used it well.
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@Monkey:
I dunno what country you live in, but for Americans? The image of hooded guys showing up at a house at night to burn it down and rough up or kill the inhabitants for some racial reason is a real "HOLLLLY SHIT ODA 0__0" thing to see lol. But he used it well.
It's a deeply ingrained dark image from our history, especially (of course) for black americans.I live in USA but I'm from Iraq
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I live in USA but I'm from Iraq
I dunno when you moved here age-wise, we were taught and shown lots of that stuff in school. So I could see you missing it.
Famous homegrown terrorism and all that.Oda used a bit of Japanese discriminatory history in that arc too.
Remember when Hody's guys are making the civilian Fishmen step on pictures of Otohime?
Back awhile ago the Tokugawa Shogunate basically went about committing genocide on the small amount of Christians in Japan that had been converted by various European merchants and missionaries.
And part of the way they rooted them out was by making people step on a picture of Jesus and Mary (these were Catholic converts you understand). If they refused to step on it they were rounded up and processed from there. People who refused to convert were killed.So yeah, Oda's way too interesting a dude to sum up as just campy lol.
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@Monkey:
I dunno when you moved here age-wise, we were taught and shown lots of that stuff in school. So I could see you missing it.
Famous homegrown terrorism and all that.Oda used a bit of Japanese discriminatory history in that arc too.
Remember when Hody's guys are making the civilian Fishmen step on pictures of Otohime?
Back awhile ago the Tokugawa Shogunate basically went about committing genocide on the small amount of Christians in Japan that had been converted by various European merchants and missionaries.
And part of the way they rooted them out was by making people step on a picture of Jesus and Mary (these were Catholic converts you understand). If they refused to step on it they were rounded up and processed from there. People who refused to convert were killed.So yeah, Oda's way too interesting a dude to sum up as just campy lol.
I move here when I was like 5 and I'm 16 now but yea I understand the whole racial thing in Fishman island. But whats interesting is that the Fishmen in Fishman island reminded me a variety of races.
I never knew about that Japanese event where they stepped on the picture. Thats interesting
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Because death makes the story more believable, when you have death in the story you realize that every character is vulnerable, but when you don't have death it makes it feel like there isn't any danger. And in a story like One Piece, where the whole world is dangerous, we need more death.
Agreed.
I honestly thought that Ace and Whitebeards (and Oars Jr.) death marked a new turn for the series. I figured Oda was going to start making death an actual threat/possibility within the world of One Piece, thats most likely not the case though (Brownbeard, and I'm still convinced Monet and Vergo are going to show up any minute).I still think that the series could easily continue with no death though, after all, 711 chapters of hardly any death have done pretty well.
If Oda wants to stick to his style I'd be totally content with it. Even before Whitebeard and Aces deaths, where death in the series wasn't really even a possibility, I still was put on edge in the same way as I am in series where death is present.I just think that the series would mature to a whole new level if death became a greater part of the storyline.
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I move here when I was like 5 and I'm 16 now but yea I understand the whole racial thing in Fishman island. But whats interesting is that the Fishmen in Fishman island reminded me a variety of races.
Yeah, Oda made an interesting point about how the Fishmen themselves were a very mix and match people and didn't really have their own sense of discrimination because of it. Like how babies would randomly be different types of fish, or randomly fishmen/mermen.
I think he was pressing the point that horrible as it was, the prejudice in people like Arlong, Tiger and Hody… Was all a result of the prejudice aimed at Fishmen in the first place.
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Agreed.
I honestly thought that Ace and Whitebeards (and Oars Jr.) death marked a new turn for the series. I figured Oda was going to start making death an actual threat/possibility within the world of One Piece, thats most likely not the case though (Brownbeard, and I'm still convinced Monet and Vergo are going to show up any minute).I still think that the series could easily continue with no death though, after all, 711 chapters of hardly any death have done pretty well.
If Oda wants to stick to his style I'd be totally content with it. Even before Whitebeard and Aces deaths, where death in the series wasn't really even a possibility, I still was put on edge in the same way as I am in series where death is present.I just think that the series would mature to a whole new level if death became a greater part of the storyline.
Brownbeard sealed the deal for me. As much as I WANT Monet and Vergo to kick it, I recognize it as a low probability.
But still, it doesn't diminish the tension in One Piece for me. I do not want any of the Straw Hats dead, really. The tension in One Piece comes from "jesusss just how fucked up is this dude gonna get? Oda stop" especially when that applies to Luffy. Like, even though I know the Straw Hats were going to escape from the poisonous gas on Punk Hazard by a hair's breadth, I still felt the tension because the possibility of death still exists INSIDE the story, not looking at it from Oda's lens. I don't get caught up in author patterns while I'm reading the story, only after I have time to breathe it in. Hence, I usually read/watch/play/listen to a lot of things twice. First to completely lose myself, second to figure out what I experienced.
Oda could go either way with it and I'd be cool with it. Just like him using short arcs or long arcs, he does both well, so I put the opposing possibilities into each of his capable hands.
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Brownbeard sealed the deal for me. As much as I WANT Monet and Vergo to kick it, I recognize it as a low probability.
Yeaaaaah you would think getting point blank shotgunned in the face by an infamous ASSASSIN would get you killed. Nope, not in the OP world. (Heck, how do assassins get employment in the OP world at all? Killing people is a remarkably difficult endeavor. I mean, the famous cool brothers couldn't even kill a half-rate giant crocodile hybrid pirate when they took him by surprise and shot him in the face.)
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Yeaaaaah you would think getting point blank shotgunned in the face by an infamous ASSASSIN would get you killed. Nope, not in the OP world. (Heck, how do assassins get employment in the OP world at all? Killing people is a remarkably difficult endeavor. I mean, the famous cool brothers couldn't even kill a half-rate giant crocodile hybrid pirate when they took him by surprise and shot him in the face.)
Not to mention they are giants. Meaning that their guns are giant sized. A giant sized bullet to the face at point blank should equal death, but hey.
I like how Oda turns ex enemies into allies though, Brownbeard is a minor example. But who would've even though that Kuma was actually a good guy the whole time?
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@Monkey:
I really do think deep down Oda is incredibly Gene Roddenberryish in his mixture of heavy duty political/social themes into a pulpy cornball context.
I mean goddamn, he drew his goofy fish people henchman dressed up like the Fish-KKK burning the house of a family who literally mixed blood lol. And suicide bombers.
Fishman Island was a hella flawed arc, but there was super good and serious ideas going on it.
Moderate governments of scared populations being taken over by extremists and driven to war against the "other" is EXACTLY what caused all the genocides and wars in the Balkans in the 90's. Slobodan "Hody" Milosevic.Yeah, Fishman arc used countless bigotry images and reference from all over the world, since it was the main theme of the arc.
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Brownbeard's mustache deflected it and/or caught it and threw it back. Facial hair = power in One Piece and his will be the first sentient facial hair. (whoops, forgot about Kumadori! Second, even though the word sentient is pretty wrong here)
I dunno Brownbeard really should be dead but Oda injects his characters with machoism. Oda likes to show off even his minor characters as having their own strengths. So, Brownbeard surviving was cool in its own way for the purpose of him having a cute little story thread. It shows you how formidable Brownbeard, a no-name pirate (contrary to what the poor lad thinks) is if he can survive a giant bullet to the face.
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ORRRR it just showed how terribly overrated the Cool Brothers were as…you know...renown Assassins? Gee based on everything that has happened so far, the only way that has been shown to "KILL" people in OP is punching holes in them or...FLASHBACK-ing them. Even then, punching holes in people doesn't even work all the time either (heck, I think Luffy got holes punched/punctured through him on a number of occasions).
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That could be part of the case too. But Oda wanting to pull a Mr. 3 (insomuchas he wanted to have a insignificant character come back and get development) seems to be part of it too. Really I'd just prefer if one way or another, they never had the opportunity to shoot Brownbeard in the face. Those characters are just so weird with how Oda used them. Are we ever going to see their faces? Was the point of us, the audience, not seeing their faces just to show how super sneaky they were? They also came off way more incompetent than he probably intended. I don't understand. v:wassat:v
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Yeaaaaah you would think getting point blank shotgunned in the face by an infamous ASSASSIN would get you killed. Nope, not in the OP world. (Heck, how do assassins get employment in the OP world at all? Killing people is a remarkably difficult endeavor. I mean, the famous cool brothers couldn't even kill a half-rate giant crocodile hybrid pirate when they took him by surprise and shot him in the face.)
At least OP isn't as bad as Marvel …though Naruto has done so. Marvel= A place where people do get killed … then gets resurrected. (sometimes 'return to life' for the 3rd, 4th, x amount of times! )
Brownbeard's mustache deflected it and/or caught it and threw it back. Facial hair = power in One Piece and his will be the first sentient facial hair. (whoops, forgot about Kumadori! Second, even though the word sentient is pretty wrong here)
Kumadori doesn't count there… key word you used is facial hair. Kumadori doesnt' have facial hair …don't think he ever did... with hair on top head that long he doesn't have anything left to grow on the face :ninja:
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On the whole death thing, I prefer the way the manga currently is going with the minimal deaths. Death in One Piece is tragic - especially with how tied up we get in the characters. It means so much more with very few people dying than if every person who would realistically die, dying as well. It comes as a shock, a horror. The scenes with Ace and Whitebeard, the reactions of the people and the readers… there are still people who tear up at the mention of Ace, for goodness' sake, and that was over a year ago now!
But that's the thing - Oda's deaths make such an impact because they're so very rare. He doesn't need to kill off Brownbeard or Monet or others because doing so lessens the impact that death has. Death is supposed to be a shock, so when he does kill someone off it's suddenly very real. We'll no longer learn of that person doing new things in the world - it's final. There's no more touching base with them on 'what's the rest of the world doing' chapters, no more mentions in passing of their deeds. One Piece is a world that's very connected and to have one person cut out of that ongoing present is tragic and painful in a way that most other shonen manga don't present.
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I cried when Merry, Whitebeard and Ace died. T.T
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I like how Oda turns ex enemies into allies though, Brownbeard is a minor example. But who would've even though that Kuma was actually a good guy the whole time?
I actually expected this, especially after his words to Zoro and the honor in his agreement. After Mihawk was shown not to be a bad guy, I figured at least some of the Shichi would be sensible people.