ROBBY why is this thread re-opened? Look what you have unleashed: more "Jinbei should die" posts.
Well, the toxic waste needs to go SOMEWHERE.
But I didn't reopen it.
Blame Brennen or Urogue for that one.
ROBBY why is this thread re-opened? Look what you have unleashed: more "Jinbei should die" posts.
Well, the toxic waste needs to go SOMEWHERE.
But I didn't reopen it.
Blame Brennen or Urogue for that one.
I don't get the hate for Jinbe.
But then your just using your own opinion to try to trump my opinion. I happen to think using Fishman Island as a catalyst for a large scale war sounds like a good idea. Whether anyone else likes it or not I can discuss it without you coming in here to tell me otherwise. Now I suggest you get off your high horse and pack yourself a bowl.
Your opinion is dumb though. :/
I don't get the hate for Jinbe.
I believe there was a list but I'll write what I remember people saying
-Too fat to fit on Sunny doors
-Too strong
-Too high bounty
-Too boring
-Too death because hes going to die apparently
-Too Japanese
-Too similar figthing style to other already on the boat
-Too not Perona/Hancock/Shiraoshi
We shouldn't be talking about him anyway its a closed case, he accept to join at a later date, end of the discussion, people should move on to other characters but it seems like latelly the Jinbe haters are the ones who actually bring him up.
@Monkey:
Your opinion is dumb though. :/
How so?
Here is a recap of what I've said so far -
Jinbei will most likely join the crew.
It's still possible that he doesn't join the crew. He might get killed or end up getting sucked into some sort of event that keeps him away from the straw hats. Or he might return later in the story on a more temporary basis and not sail with them as a full time crew member.
I like Jinbei as a character but would rather not see him join the straw hats.
I think more characters should start dying at this point in the story. Things are obviously more serious, the stakes are raised.
So please enlighten me and explain which part of what I've said is unintelligent? You not liking my opinion doesn't make it 'dumb' or completely implausible. In fact I find that line of thinking to be a little inconsiderate and immature. I've clearly expressed that my own opinion is just that, an opinion. I never once said OH LOOK JINBEI IS LAK TOTALUR GONNA DIE 100% so quit being dicks about it please.
How so?
No no, don't mind me. Please derail the thread with endless ideas of how to kill off Jimbei.
@Monkey:
No no, don't mind me. Please derail the thread with endless ideas of how to kill off Jimbei.
I was fucking ASKED to give a theory on the subject. Then my opinion was ridiculed and insulted.
But no your right. I should stop. Obviously YOU'RE the one being the most constructive here popping in just to insult people's opinions with nothing to back it up.
In fact, their is barely anything else to discuss except for Jinbei in this thread. But… I'm derailing it by discussing the main fucking topic of it?
Let me ask you guys a question, aside from Jinbei definitely joining the crew what can even be brought up in here that won't immediately be insulted by the opinion police of AP?
Also the getting married thing. I doubt Kohza is going to want to go with her, and her father is sick. I guess he'll have passed by the time the Reverie happens and Vivi will appear as Queen.
.Wow Boa? Sometimes…sigh Nevermind
I don't think we'll see any actual crew material for a long while in this arc. If at all. Too many characters have ties to other groups or ill fitting personalities…Or no personalities to speak of coughrebeccacoughcough.
yeah that too and by the way wasn't the reverie this year? OP year of course
Let me ask you guys a question, aside from Jinbei definitely joining the crew what can even be brought up in here that won't immediately be insulted by the opinion police of AP?
Well one of the reasons this thread gets closed a lot is people come up with theories that are impossible or highly improbable. Wish lists for characters who stand no chance, thinking Oda will kill off characters just to open a spot on the crew. And the usual, oh hey there's a new female with a name. She will join. And so arguments break out.
It gets a bit insane. So usually if you can give good examples of a potential crewmate for characters in the current arc and the theories work or it's hinted canonly, those can kind of stick.
yeah that too and by the way wasn't the reverie this year? OP year of course
Yeah I think it's this year.
Sorry, but I've seen so much of this and I kinda sorta need to talk it out at least this time, Monkey King, were you only trying to piss that guy off? :I
I don't necessarily agree how Monkey King operates, but this conversation has been had a milllion times before so he probably doesn't feel it's worth discussing in depth yet again. Add to that the fact that studies have proven most people can not be convinced by facts and logic (and in fact, that such things just make people more defensive). But trust me when I say if Monkey King wanted to give a proper explanation, he could. It's just that guys like that never listen
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Right now you might be able to make a case for Kinemon or momo. Really, I'd be pretty convinced of either if it wasn't for the existance of the other
Jinbe replied with a "No thanks, but maybe later" type of response. Could have just been a polite way of declining, though I do think Jinbei isn't once to mince words like that. However, what you're saying is you absolutely know for a fact that he'll be coming back to ask to join at a later date. And well, pretty sure you don't know that. Who knows what could happen? The guy could get killed or he might end up just being busy doing other crap around Fishman Island and come back and help as a friend at the end or something.
Jinbe promised yes, so why did you decide to stick a 'maybe' in there? There's a reason why this debate is long dead.
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Jinbe promised yes, so why did you decide to stick a 'maybe' in there? There's a reason why this debate is long dead.
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I've already admitted that I was wrong about the quote. Other than that my stance hasn't changed. I never stated my opinion as fact. Don't really feel like repeating myself again and again but to correct a persons already corrected mistake is a little annoying so I just had to post. Anyways I'm done here, I have no further desire to tango with the opinion police.
Thanks to the people who at least participated in the discussion in a reasonable manner even if we disagreed.
I've already admitted that I was wrong about the quote. Other than that my stance hasn't changed. I never stated my opinion as fact. Don't really feel like repeating myself again and again but to correct a persons already corrected mistake is a little annoying so I just had to post. Anyways I'm done here, I have no further desire to tango with the opinion police.
To summarize why you're eating so much flak over your opinion:
Deaths in OP isn't a light subject at all; especially so when you're taking a character with massive plot and relationship development like Jinbe (who pretty much already got accepted into the crew) and killing him off.
Why? Because 'drama' and 'more people need to die because the series is getting darker'.
This isn't Harry Potter, dude. You gave piss-poor reasoning to explain why the biggest chance of a new nakama will die, so OP karma is shitting on you, more or less.
Jinbei's character is unique in that his death holds a greater emotional impact than most others and he's not technically apart of the crew so he's still fair game. Oda could pull it off in a satisfying way, characters die in great stories all of the time and you guys act like more than 2 important characters dying in a series as long and as violent as this is absolute blasphemy. You act as if Jinbei dying would somehow ruin everything that came before in regards to his character. Anyways when a person repeatedly explains that they realize this likely won't happen should they really be flamed for saying such a thing?
Oh god what am I doing! I said I was done here so just PM me or stop drawing me back in here. :)
Jinbei's character is unique in that his death holds a greater emotional impact than most others and he's not technically apart of the crew so he's still fair game. Oda could pull it off in a satisfying way, characters die in great stories all of the time and you guys act like more than 2 important characters dying in a series as long as this is absolute blasphemy. You act as if Jinbei dying would somehow ruin everything that came before in regards to his character.
Anyways when a person repeatedly explains that they realize this likely won't happen should they really be flamed for saying such a thing?
I could take the whole 'emotional investment' argument and use it for Jinbe joining the crew too, so I'm gonna stop you right there.
Jinbe dying wouldn't ruin the whole story, but it'd ruin his dream, his character development and relationship with Luffy (which, y'know, saved Luffy's life), the whole Fishman-Human conflict; so yeah, would f*ck over quite a lot of important story points? We're acting like killing more than two iconic characters off is too much? Since when? The whole dirt with the Jinbe argument is that it wouldn't make any sense from a literary point of view.
You're getting flamed less for your opinion and more for playing victim while ignoring most of what's being said to you.
Death in this series is a huge depate in and of it's self. Jinbe has inherited ideals from his mentors and in all likelihood he will see them through. Even when he kept trying to die he couldn't, hahaha. Oda does not kill characters so easily. Even after the war many knew just because Ace and Newgate died within just chapters of each other it meant nothing as far as the rest of the story was concerned. Characters die in the present when their place in the story is fullfilled and/or their dreams come true. There is too much going on with Jinbe and the One Piece world at large for him to be done before the series is over. That's why him dying is unthinkable in the minds of many.
I was hoping Hack's insight on fishman and human relations would have sparked more interest. The whole going by Jinbe's example and fighting to understand each other really intruigues me. Granted Hack probably didnt mean that that was literally Jinbe's example but it fits somewhat.
I could take the whole 'emotional investment' argument and use it for Jinbe joining the crew too, so I'm gonna stop you right there.
Jinbe dying wouldn't ruin the whole story, but it'd ruin his dream, his character development and relationship with Luffy (which, y'know, saved Luffy's life), the whole Fishman-Human conflict; so yeah, would f*ck over quite a lot of important story points? We're acting like killing more than two iconic characters off is too much? Since when? The whole dirt with the Jinbe argument is that it wouldn't make any sense from a literary point of view.
You're getting flamed less for your opinion and more for playing victim while ignoring most of what's being said to you.
i second this post
Well obviously Jinbei would have to be in a position where dying would be acceptable. He'd have to fulfill something, it would have to be done tastefully and in a satisfying way. Never did I say Jinbei was gonna run off and die all nonchalant like. Did you think I was saying he wouldn't even get an important arc or purpose for dying? Remember guys we still have the second half of an extremely long manga to play out. An important character's death in a story can be done 100 different ways to achieve many different effects. I shouldn't have to come up with the absolute perfect scenario myself to make such an obvious claim. I just happen to have the opinion that he needn't officially join the Straw Hat crew in order to find a place to rest his bones so to speak. And if he were to die guess what, Oda would fucking pull it off well. And the story would go on just fine.
Oh and playing victim and sticking up for myself are two very different things. But I like how you worded it that way on purpose buddy!
Well obviously Jinbei would have to be in a position where dying would be acceptable.
That's where your obsessive theory falls flat. Right out of the gate.
Zero evidence or indication such. All evidence and dialogue indicating the opposite.
Last 2 posts just covered this.
@NakedLunch:
He'd have to fulfill something, it would have to be done tastefully and in a satisfying way. Never did I say Jinbei was gonna run off and die all nonchalant like. Did you think I was saying he wouldn't even get an important arc or purpose for dying? Remember guys we still have the second half of an extremely long manga to play out. An important character's death in a story can be done 100 different ways to achieve many different effects. I shouldn't have to come up with the absolute perfect scenario myself to make such an obvious claim. I just happen to have the opinion that he needn't officially join the Straw Hat crew in order to find a place to rest his bones so to speak. And if he were to die guess what, Oda would fucking pull it off well. And the story would go on just fine.
The "Oda is Godlike therefore he can take whatever nonsense I can come up with and make it work" argument, again?
If I had like $5 for every time that's been used in OP discussion…
@NakedLunch:
Oh and playing victim and sticking up for myself are two very different things. But I like how you worded it that way on purpose buddy!
Yeah you're defending yourself.
Unfortunately while doing so - you're giving off a ridiculous vibe of butthurt, ignoring relevant points, and coming up with complete baseless speculations every post as your supporting 'evidence'.
Dig that grave deeper, son.
And now you're replying with insults as well. How are you any less butthurt resorting to such a thing and being too stubborn to admit that your own logic is completely black and white and couldn't possibly be wrong? Difference between me and you is that the whole time I've admitted what I'm saying isn't likely to happen. What you're saying is that it wont happen. You know what, I don't believe I've resorted to a personal insult in this thread as of yet but that post of yours was just pathetic. Laughable really. Don't quit your day job.
And now you're replying with insults as well. How are you any less butthurt resorting to such a thing and being too stubborn to admit that your own logic is completely black and white and couldn't possibly be wrong?
Difference between me and you is that the whole time I've admitted what I'm saying isn't likely to happen. What you're saying is that it wont happen. You know what, I don't believe I've resorted to a personal insult in this thread as of yet but that post of yours was just pathetic. Laughable really. Don't quit your day job.
That's because it's logic, there's no 'likely' to it.
You're attempting to pass off possibilities as black and white.
Quit my day job? What's that have anything to do with you acting stuck up and petulant in every post?
In summary: You acknowledged that your points fail both in a literary and thematic point of view….then plow on with nonsense theories and what ifs anyway, and then after when you get called out on this particular crap - by multiple people - you act butthurt over it to everyone.
You asked for an explanation. You got several; you read several, but you largely disregarded them anyway in favor of your fantasy what ifs.
Does the above description sound like a smart or reasonable person to you?
I said that it wasn't likely to happen but it could happen in an enjoyable way. But ooooh I'm so sorry that's such a thing to say. I must be very butthurt about it.
So far in this thread you've initiated in personal attacks, corrected a mistake that I already admitted to, and you've acted like an uptight stuck up snob which suggests that you couldn't possibly be wrong. 'Keep digging your own grave, son.'
Does the above description sound like a smart and reasonable person to you? If you can't see the hypocrisy in that then you've only proven that I'm right about you.
This thread sure brings out the best AP Forums has to offer. Doesn't it?
I said that it wasn't likely to happen but it could happen in an enjoyable way. But ooooh I'm so sorry that's such a thing to say. I must be very butthurt about it.
So far in this thread you've initiated in personal attacks, corrected a mistake that I already admitted to, and you've acted like an uptight stuck up snob which suggest that you couldn't possibly be wrong. 'Keep digging your own grave, son.'
Does the above description sound like a smart and reasonable person to you?
I thought we were supposed to grow out of mimicry as a form of mockery in the third grade, but that's me.
So yeah, you'd have to be pretty butthurt to wanna sink that low.
After I told you neutrally in the beginning exactly what it was that you were doing that was annoying the piss out of other people, hey…guess what you run off and do?
I guess you kinda have to stick up for yourself anyway, because nobody else is likely to at this point.
You initiated a personal attack whilst I was trying to respectfully have a discussion with you. Probably in order to make yourself sound right. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is. Honestly you make me laugh a bit, keep it up smart one.
You initiated a personal attack whilst I was trying to respectfully have a discussion with you.
Not during. After, where you started repeating everything that I informed you was annoying other people in the first place.
6 feet under and counting…
Not during. After, where you started repeating everything that I informed you was annoying other people in the first place.
6 feet under and counting…
Not even worth it anymore, obviously you ran out of stuck up and annoying things to say. Good bye. :happy:
Oh god, this thread is WAAAAYYYYY too crazy for me to even considering joining in the actual discussion. But I'll throw in my two cents and see how far they go:
Jinbei- He will join sometime around Big Mom or right after, but since we don't know when that's gonna happen in and of itself, it allows him some breathing room before joining. He'd also most likely be the helmsman, since both Franky and Sanji have better stuff to do than steer the ship ineptly. And he could have a bed in the Sunny's water tank!
Momonosuke- I'm personally of the opinion that he'll eat the Mera Mera , and join for several reasons:
1. While Kinemon loves his son dearly, the rest of Wano would most likely kill a dragon on sight.
2. If he eats the Mera Mera, then to protect Ace's fruit Luffy asks Momo to join. Because if Momo gets killed after eating the Mera Mera, then it'll just be respawned somewhere, some one else will eat it, and they'd desecrate Ace's memory (In Luffy's mind, by the way).
3. Momo probably will and has grown attached to the Straw Hats, so he wouldn't want to leave them.
4. Momo would probably end up being the cabin boy/apprentice pirate, drawing further similarities from Luffy and Shanks Pirates to Momo and Straw Hat Pirates.
Monet- I'd LIKE her to join, and she's certainly alive, (characters have survived WAY worse than what she has) but unless she shows up (say, as the intruder on the Sunny hint) I'm guessing she won't join.
Those are my thoughts, although remember that a) Jinbei is basically agreed on by everyone, b) A good sized part of Momo joining involves eating the Mera Mera, so if he doesn't then his case is much weaker, and c) Monet is only a wish, so if she doesn't join then I'm not mad.
Can he eat an experimental DF and still eat a regular DF too?
I have a wild idea to put forth.
That there might not actually be any more crewmates joining aside from Jimbei.
And that there will be as many Strawhats as there are Blackbeards. So ten of them, and counting Jimbei ten of the Strawhats.
Unless BB adds other people, and I don't think he will (aside from maybe grunts). So yeah. What makes people so sure there's going to be any more Strawhats?
Numbered chapters.
@Monkey:
I have a wild idea to put forth.
That there might not actually be any more crewmates joining aside from Jimbei.
And that there will be as many Strawhats as there are Blackbeards. So ten of them, and counting Jimbei ten of the Strawhats.
Unless BB adds other people, and I don't think he will (aside from maybe grunts). So yeah. What makes people so sure there's going to be any more Strawhats?
Because Luffy said that he wanted ten crewmates, and Oda said that he wanted the crew to be as big as a football team.
11 is the safest bet.
@Monkey:
I have a wild idea to put forth.
That there might not actually be any more crewmates joining aside from Jimbei.
And that there will be as many Strawhats as there are Blackbeards. So ten of them, and counting Jimbei ten of the Strawhats.
Unless BB adds other people, and I don't think he will (aside from maybe grunts). So yeah. What makes people so sure there's going to be any more Strawhats?
you're a real nutcase you know that? CRAZY!!!!
Can he eat an experimental DF and still eat a regular DF too?
I'd assume so, although I wouldn't bet my life on it.
My reasoning is this: SMILES, being artificial, can be eaten if you've eaten a devil fruit before, and vice versa, but for story's sake I'd say that a person couldn't eat more than one SMILE. (Although imagine Kaido having eaten dozens of different SMILES, he'd be pretty awesome.)
This is all off the assumption that the fruit Momo ate is an artificial one, and it's considered a failure because turning into a wimpy little dragon is rather useless for a New World fighter under Kaido.
Jinbe will probably die. And then a couple chapters later he'll get back up and join the crew.
Also, I was the one who reopened this thread, so don't blame robby. I don't know what it is about this thread that makes people feel like they HAVE to post in it.
Because Luffy said that he wanted ten crewmates, and Oda said that he wanted the crew to be as big as a football team.
11 is the safest bet.
Even in that case I'd bet the eleventh would have to be some big whammy of a person. And not just some random person like Momonosuke. Probably some special case near the end.
Yeah. Probably a last minute, penultimate arc, character will join if he's the last guy.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is this thread is most likely pointless until we're on like Volume 130 lol.
@Monkey:
Even in that case I'd bet the eleventh would have to be some big whammy of a person. And not just some random person like Momonosuke. Probably some special case near the end.
Or just a girl; judging from the rampant predictions, any-run-of-the-mill gal would do.
Or just a girl; judging from the rampant predictions, any-run-of-the-mill gal would do.
Rather a female Fishmen that has a logia fruit. Jinbe crosses paths with Ivankov, bam, he's a lady. Meets up with the Strawhats after Luffy gets the Mera Mera fruit and offers it to Jinbe. He agrees for some weird reason. Now we get 3 things in one person…
May have to throw that in dumb predictions. That was especially bad. I'll show myself out.:ninja:
Rather a female Fishmen that has a logia fruit. Jinbe crosses paths with Ivankov, bam, he's a lady. Meets up with the Strawhats after Luffy gets the Mera Mera fruit and offers it to Jinbe. He agrees for some weird reason. Now we get 3 things in one person…
May have to throw that in dumb predictions. That was especially bad. I'll show myself out.:ninja:
This is better than most of the shit that has been posted in this thread.
Personally I'd rather see the last nakama come sooner rather than later. Otherwise it'd probably wind-up being some shell of a character with no growth potential or character development.
And by sooner I mean that we see the character in the near future, not necessarily that they become Straw Hats in the near future.
I assume we would have a character that was developed in the past but was put off for later as that "BIG POWERFUL" character that joins near the end (that way it wouldn't be necessary to develop him as much since he already had luffy/crew interaction)….oh wait.
@Aedai:
Oh god, this thread is WAAAAYYYYY too crazy for me to even considering joining in the actual discussion. But I'll throw in my two cents and see how far they go:
Jinbei- He will join sometime around Big Mom or right after, but since we don't know when that's gonna happen in and of itself, it allows him some breathing room before joining. He'd also most likely be the helmsman, since both Franky and Sanji have better stuff to do than steer the ship ineptly. And he could have a bed in the Sunny's water tank!
Momonosuke- I'm personally of the opinion that he'll eat the Mera Mera , and join for several reasons:
1. While Kinemon loves his son dearly, the rest of Wano would most likely kill a dragon on sight.
2. If he eats the Mera Mera, then to protect Ace's fruit Luffy asks Momo to join. Because if Momo gets killed after eating the Mera Mera, then it'll just be respawned somewhere, some one else will eat it, and they'd desecrate Ace's memory (In Luffy's mind, by the way).
3. Momo probably will and has grown attached to the Straw Hats, so he wouldn't want to leave them.
4. Momo would probably end up being the cabin boy/apprentice pirate, drawing further similarities from Luffy and Shanks Pirates to Momo and Straw Hat Pirates.Monet- I'd LIKE her to join, and she's certainly alive, (characters have survived WAY worse than what she has) but unless she shows up (say, as the intruder on the Sunny hint) I'm guessing she won't join.
Those are my thoughts, although remember that a) Jinbei is basically agreed on by everyone, b) A good sized part of Momo joining involves eating the Mera Mera, so if he doesn't then his case is much weaker, and c) Monet is only a wish, so if she doesn't join then I'm not mad.
Though you're probably joking the intruder on the Sunny has a child's voice so she can be ruled out
Monet supporters are baffling sometimes. It's like they blanked out that she knowingly helped poison children and tried to kill everyone. Chopper and Nami would not be okay with her joining them. And Luffy only had a super brief run in with her with no real personal connection and nobody gave her an afterthought after CC was taken down. It's not like with Robin or Franky who were enemies and then actively helped the crew. Also they didn't harm children.
Yeah monet nakama fans have really selective hearing…it is quite remarkable and downright idiotic when you think about it.