One Piece 699: The Morning News
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Do we get early chapter?
Probably not, usually they would have said it on twitter already
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I wonder how big the disenchantement would be, if we have at Wednesday a quite lame chapter, with content of Chapters where noone would have expected something like "Wow! Omg!" :) lol You never know … Oda is unpredictable ...
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I don't think its extremly likely, but I don't think it's unlikely either that Kaidou would appear next chapter, sooner or later we're going to get a reactions from around the world chapter and Kaidou will probably appear at the end all like " That Doflamingo, first he loses Ceasar and now this! Unacceptable, I'll have to deal with Law myself now!" or something along those lines…
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I'm hoping 700 has more information on the new Marines. See what Akainu has been up to, and all that jazz. I wouldn't mind seeing Kaido either, that'd be nice.
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Seems like everyone wants to see Kaidou.
Do it Oda! Don't troll us! Don't slap my balls…
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Let's admit it, Punk Hazard was just a preambule: except for Sanji, no SH even sweated a drop. The big part is coming now…
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@Wrath:
I'm hoping 700 has more information on the new Marines. See what Akainu has been up to, and all that jazz. I wouldn't mind seeing Kaido either, that'd be nice.
yeah. exactly bro…after aokiji mentioning the state of marines and how he views it, im guessing we would see some focus on the marines this coming chapter.
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oooooooooooh yeah!!!!!! this could be it!!!
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I really hope we are going to see Big Moms tea party and something about marines maybe what aokiji was doing
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I really hope we are going to see Big Moms tea party and something about marines maybe what aokiji was doing
The tea party isn't for another 2 days so we probably won't see anything there.
If there is in fact a big reveal it's most likely going to be something with the Navy/Kuazan or Kaidou, maybe even the brokers or the Kid alliance.
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I think next chapter we will know Law plan and DD counter plan?
I mean DD is searching for them all over the place and they are just going to Dressora like nothing? there has to be a twist here
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I hope to see Kaidou next chapter, however, I don't like it to be presented the same way as Big Mom!
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What's the difference between the Nami of this arc and the Nami in the previous arcs (exclude AP arc)
To me she has stopped developing as a character completely. Both Nami and Robin after Enies Lobby are the same characters. There hasn't been anything for Nami being relevant other than a sex joke or hitting one of the SHs which is something she has done since the series started. I still liked her interactions at Archipelago, they weren't major but in this arc it was just annoying. Most scenes with Nami and the kids, my only thought was when that part will end so we can see something interesting in the other development. It was very boring.
I know this is a very long series, but I think Oda should start adding things for characters that aren't the most important, like Robin, Nami, Chopper and Brook. I generally don't care for Brook mostly because he is still the same character. After TS, the girls and Brook so far aren't really doing it for me, very little interest in the 3.
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I think it's easier to see Akainu/new Admirals than Kaidou himself. Oda introduced Big Mom not a long time ago. Probably the next episode will be divided in a couple of parts: the call between Law and DD and the Marine receiving the report about what happened in Punk Hazard. I hope Akainu to dispatch some new Admirals to hunt the new alliances.
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Luigi is rocking this video so hard.
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To be honest, I see post-timeskip Akainu and World Government, as well as the introduction of the 2 new Admirals, over Kaidou being revealed (even though I really want Kaidou to be revealed) in chapter 700.
Seems the most likely.
Basically:
Beginning of chapter = Law and DD conversation
Middle of chapter = Akainu, Kizaru, and the World Government reveal post-timeskip.
End of chapter = Reveal of the 2 new AdmiralsPossibly:
End of chapter = Kaidou and some of his crew reveal. (Could do shadow outline of the 2 new Admirals in the middle instead).
People are figuring out what Luffy/Law and Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins are up to, and, are making a move to intercept them.
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Please, just don't expect more than a shadow reading the paper news for what you guys are calling "Kaidou introducing".
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@Kyoji:
Please, just don't expect more than a shadow reading the paper news for what you guys are calling "Kaidou introducing".
We've already seen 1/4th of his face. I think it's time we see 1 more fourth of it; maybe with that grin we always see in outlines of him.
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All I want is a Jinbe update. I could see him and Big Mom expressing their views on the news.
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What if DD's Counterplan is capturing Bepo&Co and sth like an exchange for CC…
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I know this is a very long series, but I think Oda should start adding things for characters that aren't the most important, like Robin, Nami, Chopper and Brook. I generally don't care for Brook mostly because he is still the same character. After TS, the girls and Brook so far aren't really doing it for me, very little interest in the 3.
Don't include Chopper, who practically owned almost all of character development for this arc.
To me she has stopped developing as a character completely. Both Nami and Robin after Enies Lobby are the same characters. There hasn't been anything for Nami being relevant other than a sex joke or hitting one of the SHs which is something she has done since the series started. I still liked her interactions at Archipelago, they weren't major but in this arc it was just annoying. Most scenes with Nami and the kids, my only thought was when that part will end so we can see something interesting in the other development. It was very boring
You can't really ignore her interactions with the children. In fact, for this arc, we got to see Nami's maternal side develop (Something that we've never seen). It was also a nice touch when she responded to Tashigi's fondness by tying it in with her own memories of Bellemere.
I won't even mention the brand new tricks that she's been showing us all throughout this arc.
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Maybe we'll see his furry porn collection.
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All I want is a Jinbe update. I could see him and Big Mom expressing their views on the news.
Jinbe just leisurely coming on the ship saying " could come earlier than expected"
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Jinbe just leisurely coming on the ship saying " could come earlier than expected"
I don't think this will happen because it'd be the most awesome moment in the history storytelling and Oda surely wants to save such moments for later on. Although, it IS chapter 700.
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@The:
We've already seen 1/4th of his face. I think it's time we see 1 more fourth of it; maybe with that grin we always see in outlines of him.
I really dunno. We've seen Big Mom's silhouette not even 50 chapters ago and I can't imagine Oda revealing so many big guys that fast. Come on, he revealed one of the new Ouka Shichibukai, one of the Yonkous and now it's the perfect time to introduce the new Marines!
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Don't include Chopper, who practically owned almost all of character development for this arc.
You can't really ignore or interactions with the children. In fact, for this arc, we got to see Nami's maternal side develop (Something that we've never seen). It was also a nice touch when she responded to Tashigi's fondness by tying it in with her own memories of Bellemere.
I won't even mention the brand new tricks that she's been showing us all throughout this arc.
I'm not ignoring the interactions, it was just incredibly boring and unappealing to me. Her saving the kids so she has her mom's resemblance didn't really do it for me. After a while, every single child scene with Nami and the kids, I read it as quickly as possible until it went to a panel that didn't include them. That's not a good thing. Chopper did have a decent amount this time around, but I'd still like to see more from him.
I agree her tricks were nice, that is something that I definitely want to see more of. This really isn't enough since the timeskip for me though I'd imagine it could be differently for others. Nami has changed from one of my favorite characters to the recent arcs to someone I don't care much about recently, Robin I also really liked and for her it seems as if she doesn't exist anymore bar a scene here or there. I think now that there's 9 crewmembers, potentially Jinbei and all these other nakamas-for this adventure type of scenario, it's hurting development because how much screen time can each character get to start developing a decent amount.
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To me she has stopped developing as a character completely. Both Nami and Robin after Enies Lobby are the same characters. There hasn't been anything for Nami being relevant other than a sex joke or hitting one of the SHs which is something she has done since the series started. I still liked her interactions at Archipelago, they weren't major but in this arc it was just annoying. Most scenes with Nami and the kids, my only thought was when that part will end so we can see something interesting in the other development. It was very boring.
No offense, but I think that you're just complaining to be like everyone else. Nami had a lot of development this arc, regardless of if you liked it or not.
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@Tom:
I don't think this will happen because it'd be the most awesome moment in the history storytelling and Oda surely wants to save such moments for later on. Although, it IS chapter 700.
Of course it won´t happen, was just my wish
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So how are we going to celebrate chapter700?
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I'm not ignoring the interactions, it was just incredibly boring and unappealing to me. Her saving the kids so she has her mom's resemblance didn't really do it for me. After a while, every single child scene with Nami and the kids, I read it as quickly as possible until it went to a panel that didn't include them. That's not a good thing.
So your whole point really doesn't have anything to do with whether Nami has developed as a character since the time skip or not. It really has to do with whether you liked her development. Those are two different things brother.
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@Foxy:
No offense, but I think that you're just complaining to be like everyone else. Nami had a lot of development this arc, regardless of if you liked it or not.
What does this mean exactly? I'm stating something I don't believe in simply because the masses believe the same thing? Saving kids similar to her mom saving her as a kid =/= a lot of character development.
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So how are we going to celebrate chapter700?
Pop some Brut Reserva and bring in the hookers.
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What does this mean exactly? I'm stating something I don't believe in simply because the masses believe the same thing? Saving kids similar to her mom saving her as a kid =/= a lot of character development.
You stated that Nami didn't get any development. That was your initial statement. Now you are revealing that you didn't like her development. Do you not see something wrong here?
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So your whole point really doesn't have anything to do with whether Nami has developed as a character since the time skip or not. It really has to do with whether you liked her development.
The difference here is that 2 years into the show and her saving kids as her mom saved her doesn't exactly scream look at how much she's grown to me. Clearly my expectations are drastically different at least from that of yours and Foxy.
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The difference here is that 2 years into the show and her saving kids as her mom saved her doesn't exactly scream look at how much she's grown to me. Clearly my expectations are drastically different at least from that of yours and Foxy.
Expectations do not equate with facts. Had you initially said "I don't like her development" then there'd be no problem. But instead you stated "There was no development from her".
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The difference here is that 2 years into the show and her saving kids as her mom saved her doesn't exactly scream look at how much she's grown to me. Clearly my expectations are drastically different at least from that of yours and Foxy.
I fail to see the logic here. What does it take to show how much she's matured?
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Expectations do not equate with facts. Had you initially said "I don't like her development" then there'd be no problem. But instead you stated "There was no development from her".
I did. The whole debate started when I said Nami and Robin are mostly walking tits with 0 personality. Her saving the kids, had anyone else did the same thing it would have been a case of SHs doing good as they usually do. Yet Oda specifically made characters like Sanji and Chopper leave children behind in potential danger only so Nami could change her mind. This wouldn't have happened any other arc if it wasn't a case of Oda pushing for a mother and daughter link. At the end of the day she did something that they normally would have done anyways, save people. They happened to be kids, Oda made characters that would help them not do it so Nami could be the savior even though it didn't make sense.
@Foxy:
I fail to see the logic here. What does it take to show how much she's matured?
Her saving kids is the equivalent of her maturing? Did Zoro mature when he saved a random someone that had been shot at Archipelago when he nearly killed the Celestial Dragon? I don't see Strawhats saving people in need of help of character development, especially if it's a blatantly forced written scenario to make a link with Nami and her mom, when others could have done the same.
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Nami has definitely developed, her boobs are bigger aren't they?
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I did. The whole debate started when I said Nami and Robin are mostly walking tits with 0 personality. Her saving the kids, had anyone else did the same thing it would have been a case of SHs doing good as they usually do. Yet Oda specifically made characters like Sanji and Chopper leave children behind in potential danger only so Nami could change her mind. This wouldn't have happened any other arc if it wasn't a case of Oda pushing for a mother and daughter link. At the end of the day she did something that they normally would have done anyways, save people. They happened to be kids, Oda made characters that would help them not do it so Nami could be the savior even though it didn't make sense.
When Nami saved those kids, she stated her reason "I can't run away when kids are crying". Usually when the SH's save someone (As when Sanji saves Kinnemon) their obvious reasoning is saving people because they need help. However in Nami's case, her reasoning ties in more with her empathy towards children. Where did such a trait develop? Perhaps it was developed from her own experiences.
Overall… Nami is developing into her mother. That's the point! And it's a pretty touching add on to the story and unites the present Nami with the past Nami. We once again see a SH developing into their parent: Chopper developed in Hirulik, Robin develops into her mother, Sanji develops into his Zeff, and Luffy develops into Shanks.
It's an overlying theme
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I did. The whole debate started when I said Nami and Robin are mostly walking tits with 0 personality. Her saving the kids, had anyone else did the same thing it would have been a case of SHs doing good as they usually do. Yet Oda specifically made characters like Sanji and Chopper leave children behind in potential danger only so Nami could change her mind. This wouldn't have happened any other arc if it wasn't a case of Oda pushing for a mother and daughter link. At the end of the day she did something that they normally would have done anyways, save people. They happened to be kids, Oda made characters that would help them not do it so Nami could be the savior even though it didn't make sense.
Her saving kids is the equivalent of her maturing? Did Zoro mature when he saved a random someone that had been shot at Archipelago when he nearly killed the Celestial Dragon? I don't see Strawhats saving people in need of help of character development, especially if it's a blatantly forced written scenario to make a link with Nami and her mom, when others could have done the same.
Since you can write the story better than Oda, what would you have done for character development?
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OH! And be sure to include how you will manage to do character development for all 9 crew members too. THAT I want to hear.
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So today's subject is Nami's character development?
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I don't think it's fair to judge the crew by these micro interactions where they have to share panel time with 8 others as well as side characters. Not to mention a grand total of no more than 2 days has passed since the time skip started. Not exactly a lot of time to display depth in personality or profound development.
I view each character interaction and character decision as a small puzzle piece that continues to build the character throughout the entire manga. By the end of the series, each Straw Hat will have had plenty of development and plenty of time to shine.
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When does Reverie fit into the timeline?
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I'm not ignoring the interactions, it was just incredibly boring and unappealing to me. Her saving the kids so she has her mom's resemblance didn't really do it for me. After a while, every single child scene with Nami and the kids, I read it as quickly as possible until it went to a panel that didn't include them. That's not a good thing. Chopper did have a decent amount this time around, but I'd still like to see more from him.
I agree her tricks were nice, that is something that I definitely want to see more of. This really isn't enough since the timeskip for me though I'd imagine it could be differently for others. Nami has changed from one of my favorite characters to the recent arcs to someone I don't care much about recently, Robin I also really liked and for her it seems as if she doesn't exist anymore bar a scene here or there. I think now that there's 9 crewmembers, potentially Jinbei and all these other nakamas-for this adventure type of scenario, it's hurting development because how much screen time can each character get to start developing a decent amount.
just want to give my two sense in the matter. i think that the opinion you have is valid in so far as it being your opinion but i think along the same lines of foxy and and xperience when it comes to the factual nature of the matter. the way the story is built (from what i have gathered) is for a character to get a large amount of development when they join and leading up to that and during their "cementing" in the crew if you will. robin and nami are actually the best examples of this. probably around 1/4 of the series deals with arcs that center around or deal heavily with the decisions of nami and robin and the situations they are force into. the next kind of development we tend to see is short bursts of character change that might fill up half a chapter to two chapters (total page length not actual length throughout the arc). you could see this in nami befriending the children or sanji becoming mr. prince or choppers dialogue with moca. these are timed so that they do not interfere with the story progression and for the most part that whats these two arcs are since they are propelling us head first into the new world. that is why i suppose that you could see a lack of character development from a certain point of view buts thats just because oda is engaging in world and environment development. the fact that women even do anything besides heal and bitch in a shonen battle manga should amaze you as it does me. gotta give oda props there. enjoyed the disscusion hopw to have more here in the forums as i am rather green. hope you dont take this as a lecture :)
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When Nami saved those kids, she stated her reason "I can't run away when kids are crying". Usually when the SH's save someone (As when Sanji saves Kinnemon) their obvious reasoning is saving people because they need help. However in Nami's case, her reasoning ties in more with her empathy towards children. Where did such a trait develop? Perhaps it was developed from her own experiences.
Overall… Nami is developing into a her mother. That's the point! And it's a pretty touching add on to the story and unites the present Nami with the past Nami. We once again see a SH developing into their parent: Chopper developed in Hirulik, Robin develops into her mother, Sanji develops into his Zeff, and Luffy develops into Shanks.
Yes, I do see the resemblance instantly, however in this particular case it was incredibly forced which made the whole thing feel shallow to me. Others should have saved the kids too but they ran away (?) just so Nami could have her moment. Could have been written and executed differently, it could have been part of the reason why I didn't care for that plot point at all, as it didn't feel real to me.
@Foxy:
Since you can write the story better than Oda, what would you have done for character development?
Are you 12 years old or younger by some chance? This is a discussion and I explained why the scenario seemed forced. If you can't handle people criticizing certain parts of the series, it's best to ignore them or maybe create your own forum where only positive aspects of it are mentioned. What kind of a statement is this, if I can write better than Oda?.. I have high expectations of Oda and his characters because he is the best in this department in the anime genre.
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My first issue with what you're saying might be one of semantics, but since it's kind of the entire point of your argument, I'll bring it up anyway. I really don't see where Nami needs any 'development' at all. To me, character development is something that is used to establish a personality in the first place, to make someone more interesting than just a design and a power; it is something used to build up, to 'develop', a fresh, blank character.
Nami already has been developed, through a dedicated arc and then through bits and pieces throughout the rest of the series. She has an established character at this point, and I just really don't see any burning need for more. That's not to say that she can't have more, of course, or that it wouldn't be nice, but as others have already pointed out, she actually got some this arc, even if it wasn't to your liking.
So, if that's honestly your complaint, then I can't say I even really understand where you're coming from on a basic level. But parts of your argument make me think that when you say 'development', you really just mean sort of meaningful panel-time in general. On the one hand, I agree with your observation, to a point, that with more and more characters being introduced, it becomes harder for Oda to dedicate focus to any one of them. That's certainly a negative, I think, but there's really not all that much that can be done about that.
Where I disagree with you in that regard, though, is your singling out of Nami. Yes, she gets less focus than she used to, but so does everyone, for reasons you yourself stated. I do not at all believe, however, that she is getting less time relative to anyone else. Heck, as, again, others have pointed out, she was actually more involved in this arc than others, what with her involvement with the kids. I understand that that whole plot didn't much interest you, but you can't deny that it was there; and sure, Oda could have had pretty much any other character fulfill the role Nami did, but the point is he didn't.
When it comes down to it, I could probably argue that, as an offhand example, Zoro had less importance to this arc than Nami, and yet you don't see me, or anyone else I believe for that matter, accusing him of being reduced to a walking six-pack.
Frankly, I could go on, as I haven't even touched your opinions about Robin, Brook, and Chopper, but I think this post is probably long enough already. Basically, my point here is, and this isn't just you by any means, but I've noticed people tend to complain about Nami and Robin more than other characters, and I can't help but wonder if it has to do with a sort of knee-jerk reaction to fan-service and perceived sexism, since I legitimately believe that, looked at with an impartial eye, the female's characters have not suffered of late any more than the male's.
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Are you 12 years old or younger by some chance? This is a discussion and I explained why the scenario seemed forced. If you can't handle people criticizing certain parts of the series, it's best to ignore them or maybe create your own forum where only positive aspects of it are mentioned. What kind of a statement is this, if I can write better than Oda?.. I have high expectations of Oda and his characters because he is the best in this department in the anime genre.
I asked the question twice now and you keep dodging it. I am curious how you would handle character development, since you were criticizing Oda's handling of it (not that I have a problem with that).
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