I still maintain that the Hallelujah (Holy Guacamole) Land arc in Bo-bobo is one of my favorite arcs of any manga.
The "Shueisha" Thread
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We allegedly don't get to see responses till chapter 8, but editorial and authors can know as soon as days after publication, and you do sometimes see it reflected, like AssClass' early positive placement in the TOC, or in the failures of Chagecha, Hand's, Corrector/Contractor M&Y (Which of these is right? Did we ever agree?), and Jumbor Barutonica.
As for my defence of Edison in Love… Yeah, I'd call it better than Chagecha... Well, so far in, but it's more that short-form gag tells its jokes fast, so even when it's bad (and out of those first four chapters, the first two were pretty horrific, I do admit) it's over and done with so quick that you don't get too hurt.
Also I'm SUPER easy to charm, and Chagecha's protagonist is a rare case of a completely charmless man. Well, that and I'm in line with the fan-translator of the work, everyone's favourite muscle-lover Strangerataru, in that the tone was actually a fair bit more serious than Bobobo (or more accurately a different sort of silly), and that defiance of expectation killed it for a lot of people.
Side-note, any of y'all seen any of Fuwari Don Patch? It looks pretty nice.
Anyway, in short: I'm fickle, and prone to the whims of a pretty tasteless personality.
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@No:
How would he know it was unpopular when the first ratings would only come when chapter 8 would get made ? Did people in Japan whine so much on the internet it made him sick of/annoyed at the whole readership and he just went "Fuck it !".
We the readers don't see it reflected for two month, doesn't mean the editorial doesn't have the poll results.
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i am happy to see Souma getting good response….....though the story is straight-forward and predictable,the premise of the manga is refreshing.....only thing troubling is I don't understand most(if any)of the cuisines..
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Wonder how this will turn out http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-17/shueisha-to-print-jump-vs-special-issue-of-shonen-jump
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A lot like Jump NEXT, SQ.II, Akamaru Jump and so normally work out, but with more kicks to the face, I imagine. Buncha one-shots by creators at varying points in their careers, and some of them'll get serialised. I'm cautiously optimistic about this. Between Kuroko, the NPG and Soma, battles aren't getting a look-in as the new pillars of Jump. Toriko stands alone in that regard, and that feels odd, no matter how indifferent I am to most fight-heavy titles. So… Look, I want it to bring a couple of fresh new talents in to Jump, adding some nice adrenaline-fueled battle manga to the mag again, but... Man, a lot of the battle manga we've had in the last... ooh, decade? 8 years? Yeah, 8 years sounds fairer. a lot of the battle manga we've had in the last 8 years have been horrendous. It'll take a special few turning up in VS to really change that, and I wouldn't want to call the odds of that happening.
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Wonder how this will turn out http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-17/shueisha-to-print-jump-vs-special-issue-of-shonen-jump
I'm not sure I understand.
Is it a crossover special, like the one Murata drew a few years ago? with various battle manga characters fighting and such?
or is it going to be full of one-shots, hoping to become the next Big Thing?
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I'm not sure I understand.
Is it a crossover special, like the one Murata drew a few years ago? with various battle manga characters fighting and such?
or is it going to be full of one-shots, hoping to become the next Big Thing?
Why not? In 1-3 years, Bleach and Naruto will be done so why not look for another "Battle/adventure" based serie?
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Why not? In 1-3 years, Bleach and Naruto will be done so why not look for another "Battle/adventure" based serie?
I hear that Bleach will continue for at least 5 more years.
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Yeah but we get a million stories of hearsay like that when it comes to Kubo, so I wouldn't believe it. More than anything because no weekly creator worth their salt would know how long a story'll take once we get past a few weeks. Only things we really know are that Bleach is on its announced final arc, and that Masashi Kishimoto made some comment that Naruto'll go on a little longer than he thought.
To answer big Bad Lith, there's no word on whether there'll be any special chapters for current series, but it'd be a nice touch. Other than that possibility, yeah, it'll be one-shots and stuff, like Jump NEXT, but themed.
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Arakawa, towards the end of Full Metal Alchemist, adjusted her pacing to end to coincide with the anime. She missed her mark by like a month I think, and made up for it with extra pages and anime seemed to be willing to extend. So she fairly accurately predicted a year in advance.
Then again.
Unlike Kubo, Arakawa is a BEAST of a manga goddess.
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A lot like Jump NEXT, SQ.II, Akamaru Jump and so normally work out, but with more kicks to the face, I imagine. Buncha one-shots by creators at varying points in their careers, and some of them'll get serialised. I'm cautiously optimistic about this. Between Kuroko, the NPG and Soma, battles aren't getting a look-in as the new pillars of Jump. Toriko stands alone in that regard, and that feels odd, no matter how indifferent I am to most fight-heavy titles. So… Look, I want it to bring a couple of fresh new talents in to Jump, adding some nice adrenaline-fueled battle manga to the mag again, but... Man, a lot of the battle manga we've had in the last... ooh, decade? 8 years? Yeah, 8 years sounds fairer. a lot of the battle manga we've had in the last 8 years have been horrendous. It'll take a special few turning up in VS to really change that, and I wouldn't want to call the odds of that happening.
Honestly I still think the problem is that JUmp has been oversaturated with them, so mangaka either don't push battle manga in jump, don't have time to really make something unique and memorable, or just aren't that good in the first place. Series like Soma and AC have done well because they have a unique appeal and don't really have much overlap with other series, so for people who really enjoy that type of series, they don't really need to compete as much as a new battle manga competing against all the others, especially when others include titans like One Piece and Naruto
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Hopefully Horikoshi will give another shot and write something for a new serialization.
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Err you're right…Horikoshi + an established author to start a new serie.
*Christ...I just realized that guy is almost the same age as me. Damn he started out in the manga biz really young. It's not too late Horikoshi...find a writer and just do your thing.
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Err you're right…Horikoshi + an established author to start a new serie.
*Christ...I just realized that guy is almost the same age as me. Damn he started out in the manga biz really young. It's not too late Horikoshi...find a writer and just do your thing.
Almost all manga artists do (and american comics as well). Its either something you have the passion to be doing in middle and high school, or you don't have the drive in you to do it. It's generally not something you figure out later. (That's something Bakuman didn't really exagerate… you have to start young!)
Oda started One Piece when he was 22, but he'd already been doing one shots and assistant work for several years before that. His first published work was when he was 17. Kishimoto was exactly the same age when Naruto began.
(And note that age puts them both at around 10 years old when Dragonball started.)Kubo is a little bit younger than both of them and wasn't inspired till he was 17 and read Saint Seiya, and well... that lack of youthful passion shows in his overall storytelling.
But starting in manga and comics at 17 is standard more than abnormal.
The interesting thing is it took 7-12 years for the generation that grew up on Dragonball to start getting published... and OP is 16 years old now. We're pretty much due to get the generation that grew up on One Piece and Naruto now. (Of course, Dragonball had been over for 2 years after a ten year run when OP came out.)
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Hmm maybe I'm just used to seeing a lot of older guys working on comics in the West. Yeeaah they all probably started much earlier, but its their aged wizened expressions that I have grown accustomed to.
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I was just saying in another thread about the whole age thing. western comics they're all usually old and balding in the mainstream because they have to prove themselves first, whilst the Japanese mainstream IS where the newcomers prove themselves. That's kinda amazing when you think about it, huh
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It is quite remarkable since most of the doujin guys that I personally know are slightly older than me so I suspected it was guys around mid 20s that mostly consist the industry. I didn't think it was late teenagers..haha, I feel like an old phogey now.
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Ah, well turning 23 this year I can at least pretend I'm not that much older than newcomers in the manga industry ahaha
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Honestly, I don't think its surprising that we get a big 3, with 3 big battle manga tending to dominate the rankings and do far better than other battle manga in the magazine when you consider that rankings are based on people listing their three favorite manga. Obviously we get other series that do very well and there are going to be people who like some of the big battle manga, but not all of them, which is why the rankings are a bit more complex. While Bleach's fall in the rankings was probably heavily influenced by mistakes Kubo is made, I get the feeling that its overlap with Toriko's jump in popularity in the rankings is far from coincidental. I haven;t followed the rankings forever so I could be wrong, but I feel like you rarely ever get a top 5 comprised solely of battle manga and I get the feeling that's because a few big ones block others even with established series. This would be particularly true when you have titans like One Piece and Naruto in at the same time when the two are also some of the most successful series Jump EVER had, and also some of the longest running for that matter. I get the feeling we'll see things shaken up a bit when Naruto ends since it should open up a spot on a ton of the rankings left in.
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I think Jump is doing perfectly fine even without a lot of battle manga.
Right now, based on sales we have :
- One Piece (~3M)
- Naruto, HxH (~1M)
- Kuroko's Basket, Assassination Classroom, Bleach (>600k)
- Gintama, Toriko (~500k)
- Beelzebub, Sket Dance (>200k)
- manga on the rise like PSI, HQ and Nisekoi (already >150k I think)
- a promising manga like Shokugeki no Soma.
Of those above I can only see Naruto ending soon. Maybe Kuroko too if the manga ends after the Winter Cup which I doubt.
I think it's quite an impressive number of successful and diverse manga running at the same time in the magazine.
As for battle manga, Shueisha also has DGrayMan, JojoLion and Blue Exorcist running in SQ and I don't think it means much if their popular battle manga comes from the weekly or from their monthly mag.
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Weird. I totally just brought this up on a blog recently.
What I think is, is that right now Jump is basically at its battle manga capacity. I don't really think there has to be a capacity or anything, but I think Jump has unintetionally bred their audience that way now. They have always been firm about how boys are their target audience, but now, their target audience has basically never lived in a world where there wasn't One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto, and by the time they could even read, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto weren't already established and not even close to getting cancelled.
I just think whoever is sending in ranking surveys now, are probably these kids, and they probably aren't interested in more battle manga, or they just haven't realized or can put up with that battle manga may take longer to build up their world. Either way, I do think this is the issue, and once we do see the end to one of the big battle series, we may finally see another battle hit.And does anyone else feel that if all traces of just One Piece were erased, and everything else was the same, that it would actually not get cancelled if it started from chapter 1 next week?
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@Maxy:
Ah, well turning 23 this year I can at least pretend I'm not that much older than newcomers in the manga industry ahaha
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…. How the hell old is everyone here, anyway?Almost four-zero.
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Weird. I totally just brought this up on a blog recently.
What I think is, is that right now Jump is basically at its battle manga capacity. I don't really think there has to be a capacity or anything, but I think Jump has unintetionally bred their audience that way now. They have always been firm about how boys are their target audience, but now, their target audience has basically never lived in a world where there wasn't One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto, and by the time they could even read, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto weren't already established and not even close to getting cancelled.
I just think whoever is sending in ranking surveys now, are probably these kids, and they probably aren't interested in more battle manga, or they just haven't realized or can put up with that battle manga may take longer to build up their world. Either way, I do think this is the issue, and once we do see the end to one of the big battle series, we may finally see another battle hit.And does anyone else feel that if all traces of just One Piece were erased, and everything else was the same, that it would actually not get cancelled if it started from chapter 1 next week?
I totally think it could canned fast. I would totally bet money on it. Like a good five bucks.THe problem with this logic is that part of the reason the entry barriers are so high right now is the existence of One Piece as a mega hit that dominates the polls. UNless you're suggesting that instead some hypothetical equivalent series was in its place
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THe problem with this logic is that part of the reason the entry barriers are so high right now is the existence of One Piece as a mega hit that dominates the polls. UNless you're suggesting that instead some hypothetical equivalent series was in its place
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If One Piece were serialised as it was then, now? Hard to imagine, seeing as the climate is One Piece-driven nowadays, but… Yeah, it wouldn't do as well as a new series now, as the state of Jump is a completely different beast than it was in those recovering days of the late 90s. It'd still be a success, I'd reckon, in this confusing hypothetical world, but probably not ever reach the 3 million mark on each volume like it does now.
As for the being at capacity with battle manga... Yeah, it is, but the thing is that a few of them are near climax, and it makes sense to try and have another series ready before then to take up the slack in popularity and sales. To wait for, say, Naruto, Bleach or Medaka Box to end and then replace with a series that only might do as well probably doesn't sit well as a concept with shueisha.
... Although... Medaka Box isn't really a battle manga, as much as an overly wordy deconstruction of battle manga, but it's close enough as an example.
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Yeah. One Piece was against popular series for the time, but none of them were anywhere near as popular as Naruto or One Piece is now, so the comparison isn't really fair. Even during the Dragonball and Slam Dunk days it wouldn't have been so bad because the two big manga weren't both battle series and thus a competing battle series would really have only one huge series as direct audience overlap
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One Piece snagged the tops in polls as soon as the first few chapters were out, despite having strong series already running in Jump such as Rurouni Kenshin and Houshin Engi.
You don't know what you're talking about.Yeah. I totally don't know how One Piece did then. And I know that…..some of users were around then and fallowing it......But
That wasn't the point.
I was just saying that I feel those first chapters wouldn't cut it with the generation reading Jump now.
I am sure everyone who sent in those surveys for One Piece when it first came out are still enjoying the series today, but realistically, they probably never send them in anymore, and I think it is even safe to assume that a good chuck of them don't even read it in Jump anymore.Totally don't want to use the word, because I always find it can only be used negatively, but are there like "manchild" guys in Japan? Like people in their thirties who just read shonen magazines everyweek and send in the surveys and everything? And I know there have to be some, but I was wondering just if it is you know, like common occurance. Like how everyone always had a kid that smelt like poop in kindergarten.
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This entire idea that "one or two big series hinders any new series from being successful" is totally bogus.
There have always been at least 4-5 battle focused manga running at a time, and if the manga is actually GOOD like One Piece was, it would stay.This is a poor shitty excuse made by shitty manga writers and their devoted fans.
@your man-child attempt
A large number of readership for Jump are grown adults. They don't normally send in polls, but few may.
Weekly Shounen Jump is the single largest publication in Japan, a nation suffering from decreasing number of children. So go ahead, call us all manchildren if that makes you happy.
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If One Piece were serialised as it was then, now? Hard to imagine, seeing as the climate is One Piece-driven nowadays, but… Yeah, it wouldn't do as well as a new series now, as the state of Jump is a completely different beast than it was in those recovering days of the late 90s. It'd still be a success, I'd reckon, in this confusing hypothetical world, but probably not ever reach the 3 million mark on each volume like it does now.
I will explain to you exactly why this mindset is bullshit.
If he claims "One Piece first chapters were shit, so it wouldn't fly today", that's basically saying that because it DID fly back in 1997 and snagged the top spots as soon as publication started, Rurouni Kenshin, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, Houshin Engi, etc… all must be even SHITTIER.
We all know that's not the case.
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Honestly did some looking, and I find it telling that the only big established series from authors who started any serialization in the last 5 years were Sket Dance, Kuroko, and NIsekoi (since its early in the year I went from 2007, if I went from 2008 it'd only be Kuroko). ANd lets note none of those are battle manga. So I think its fair to say things are really tough for New Talent in Jump, and its very telling that no established battle manga currently running in jump has been written by a rookie
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How did Houshin Engi go out? with a bang or did it fade out? the last arc was a little rushed (Unfinished tournaments that say "It will be 7 battles long!" then going to 4 and taking down the last 3 in a flash is a rushed tournament/Also, very little use of the 7 ultimate magic weapons)
Just went to Starman's, during the end it stayed around the mid, on the 98 got very low, I'd say that it got ratings like Medaka does now, keeping around the mid, sometimes in the bottom 5.
I need to organize myself better to try and do my project.
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Well that's, more than anything else, because a rookie rarely knows what they're doing. I mean it took Naoshi several one-shots and a hotly anticipated but ultimately failed serialisation before he managed to pull off a success. I wouldn't even call him a rookie or a new talent at that point.
It also depends on what you call a success. I mean Beelzebub's pretty notable as a success. And that's a battle comedy (always note: genres are rarely anything other than hybrid nowadays)
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This entire idea that "one or two big series hinders any new series from being successful" is totally bogus.
There have always been at least 4-5 battle focused manga running at a time, and if the manga is actually GOOD like One Piece was, it would stay.This is a poor shitty excuse made by shitty manga writers and their devoted fans.
The thing is that it isn't just the number of battle manga, its the sheer popularity of the current ones. One Piece and Naruto are pretty much in a league of their own in terms of popularity right now, and the only other battle manga that I feel could really rival them was Dragonball. Realistically, even though you can have 4-5 battle manga running at a time, 3 hugely popular ones is ALL that it would take to pretty much swamp out any others because you can only vote for three at a time. And new series have the distinct disadvantage of not having had long runs and long build-up to do really huge things early on. THey haven't had the time to build up the same kind of emotional investment. Furthermore, it isn't the same kids who were growing up back then. Times change. I'm not trying to say that all the new series could be amazing, or that most of them aren't shit or whatever. I'm saying that the environment is harder than ever for new talent to flourish. It speaks volumes that we have no established battle manga by newer mangaka right now
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Well that's, more than anything else, because a rookie rarely knows what they're doing. I mean it took Naoshi several one-shots and a hotly anticipated but ultimately failed serialisation before he managed to pull off a success. I wouldn't even call him a rookie or a new talent at that point.
It also depends on what you call a success. I mean Beelzebub's pretty notable as a success. And that's a battle comedy (always note: genres are rarely anything other than hybrid nowadays)
Beelzebub's success is pretty minor compared to a lot of the other series in jump, and it rarely gets near the top of the polls
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The thing is that it isn't just the number of battle manga, its the sheer popularity of the current ones. One Piece and Naruto are pretty much in a league of their own in terms of popularity right now, and the only other battle manga that I feel could really rival them was Dragonball. Realistically, even though you can have 4-5 battle manga running at a time, 3 hugely popular ones is ALL that it would take to pretty much swamp out any others because you can only vote for three at a time. And new series have the distinct disadvantage of not having had long runs and long build-up to do really huge things early on. THey haven't had the time to build up the same kind of emotional investment. Furthermore, it isn't the same kids who were growing up back then. Times change. I'm not trying to say that all the new series could be amazing, or that most of them aren't shit or whatever. I'm saying that the environment is harder than ever for new talent to flourish. It speaks volumes that we have no established battle manga by newer mangaka right now
Gah! Can't keep up! Totally was writing basically exactly this and then refreshed the page to see if I there was new posts before I posted mine. You said it pretty much perfectly!
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Honestly did some looking, and I find it telling that the only big established series from authors who started any serialization in the last 5 years were Sket Dance, Kuroko, and NIsekoi (since its early in the year I went from 2007, if I went from 2008 it'd only be Kuroko). ANd lets note none of those are battle manga. So I think its fair to say things are really tough for New Talent in Jump, and its very telling that no established battle manga currently running in jump has been written by a rookie
Yeah, and which battle manga out of the rookies in the past ten years were even worth anything to bat an eye?
One I can even think of is Ultra Red, and that did get four volumes of serialization before it was voted out.
Busou Renkin went on for a good run, unfortunately getting canned in the end, but managed a proper closure.
Hell, Nurarihyon no Mago, despite being pretty mediocre, went on for a long run.
Reborn? Gray-man? Etc.So I don't buy this "OH no matter how good the manga is it's not given a fair chance because of One Piece and Naruto!" bullshit.
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ALso I realize that and that most mangaka aren't successful on their first series. Hence why I made it about how long since they started. My point was more along the lines of the fact that Jump doesn't seem to have much successful new talent, and I find it hard to believe that this generation of mangaka is just so much inferior to past ones. ALthough I do admit that I probably should have made it more like ten years
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Yeah, and which battle manga out of the rookies in the past ten years were even worth anything to bat an eye?
One I can even think of is Ultra Red, and that did get four volumes of serialization before it was voted out.
Busou Renkin went on for a good run, unfortunately getting canned in the end, but managed a proper closure.
Hell, Nurarihyon no Mago, despite being pretty mediocre, went on for a long run.
Reborn? Gray-man? Etc.So I don't buy this "OH no matter how good the manga is it's not given a fair chance because of One Piece and Naruto!" bullshit.
They are. They just plain suck.Wouldn't a more fair assessment be: Half of those series might have reached their stride were they not cancelled, and half of those series didn't have a shot in hell
I mean, if we judge Medaka Box by its first eight chapters, it was pretty stupid and we might be inclined to say "It's mostly dreck," but then it blossomed into a very entertaining, sometimes even moving insane-athon.
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Wouldn't a more fair assessment be: Half of those series might have reached their stride were they not cancelled, and half of those series didn't have a shot in hell
I mean, if we judge Medaka Box by its first eight chapters, it was pretty stupid and we might be inclined to say "It's mostly dreck," but then it blossomed into a very entertaining, sometimes even moving insane-athon.
I personally think Medaka box is complete garbage, and the fact that it's staying alive this long is a testimony that any series are given a chance. In general, battle manga came and went, and perhaps overstayed its welcome. Most manga should be written to end a lot earlier than 20+ volumes.
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I personally think Medaka box is complete garbage, and the fact that it's staying alive this long is a testimony that any series are given a chance. In general, battle manga came and went, and perhaps overstayed its welcome. Most manga should be written to end a lot earlier than 20+ volumes, many of the "classic" manga were actually a lot shorter than some of the dragged-out nothing-going-on shit we get today.
I disagree, I think 20 volumes is an arbitrary goalpost. It all depends on the execution, even a premise that seems thin at the outset might get a surprising amount of mileage. And of course a cast of likeable characters might need more screentime to truly shine.
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I personally think Medaka box is complete garbage, and the fact that it's staying alive this long is a testimony that any series are given a chance. In general, battle manga came and went, and perhaps overstayed its welcome. Most manga should be written to end a lot earlier than 20+ volumes, many of the "classic" manga were actually a lot shorter than some of the dragged-out nothing-going-on shit we get today.
Have you considered that the fact the the current crop of battle manga has been going on so long might differentiate it from previous generations. You keep going on about how it was always like this, but my point is that while that's true to an extent, there are some differences that may or may not be making a huge impact.
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ALso I realize that and that most mangaka aren't successful on their first series. Hence why I made it about how long since they started. My point was more along the lines of the fact that Jump doesn't seem to have much successful new talent, and I find it hard to believe that this generation of mangaka is just so much inferior to past ones. ALthough I do admit that I probably should have made it more like ten years
I've repeated this over and over and over in this thread, but I guess I will repeat it again.
They are not finding less talents these days anymore than in the past. The number of cancellations have always been about the same, even if you go back 20 years.
It's always been around 10 titles spring up and getting canned every year, this has NOT INCREASED.In fact, 2012 was one of the most fruitful year Jump has ever seen in new talents sticking around.
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My point wasn't about the number of new titles, it was about the number of new mangaka who are sticking around. And also that most of them aren't sticking around with battle manga anyways
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What about series like Double Arts that were awesome
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What exactly do you consider "new"?
Most of the serializations that's sticking around are new artists, except Matsui.
Few of them had a short failed serialization before, will that disqualify them as "new" to you?I see no difference in the people sticking around as five, ten, or even fifteen years ago.
I really do think you people are just new to Jump in general, and assuming things are completely different about everything than when you weren't around.
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On that note I never argued that the amount of new series or canned series has changed, because honestly to my understanding Jump has a system such that they pretty much always can and start the same number. It's a matter of how long individual series last on average before getting canned. And of newer series that are successful now, how many just slid by on the skin of their teeth during the first few chapters? I mean, I distinctly remember hearing Sket Dance had to claw its way out of the bottom rankings for example
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I will explain to you exactly why this mindset is bullshit.
If he claims "One Piece first chapters were shit, so it wouldn't fly today", that's basically saying that because it DID fly back in 1997 and snagged the top spots as soon as publication started, Rurouni Kenshin, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, Houshin Engi, etc… all must be even SHITTIER.
We all know that's not the case.Hhhmmmm…
I don't expect you to be a mindreader or anything, but I had hoped people could see that time, in this situation, is simply being used as a marker for framing. My discussion isn't about the "time" it came out in at all. It is about the "condition" that Jump was in when it came out.
As already previously stated, Jump is currently at its peak success with the number of units its combined series can sell surpassing 8 million. 5.5 million of those comes from battle manga alone.
To my knowledge, that certainly isn't how Jump was when One Piece started, or even ever.
I don't understand why it is hard to understand the concept of oversaturation.
People boast all the time that they could eat "chocolate" or something for the rest of their life, and guess what, after a day, they are sick of it.
Once people have something they like, and have integrated it appropriate to their lifestyle, be it weekly through jump, or just through a couple volumes a year, people don't need change.
Not that people don't like change, it is just, when you are good with what you have, people don't tend to go out of their way for extra. It is a lot easier for someone else to be their filter for them. Ex. "You gotta read this manga or I seriously can't be your fried!"And besides that. I am also trying to point out the difference not just in the number of units sold, but the length of the current series themselves. There are currently 3 battle series past the 50 volume mark. People have literally grown never known a world without some of these series. It is a completely different climate.
Aaron also been doing a good job about clarifying that THIS IS JUST ABOUT BATTLE MANGA. That is what this question is in regards to.
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But you, BOTH OF YOU are completely ignoring battle manga that came and went in the past 10 years.
I lived through Jump eras you speak of, instead of you just reading about it.
Battle manga always came and went at the speed of light. Fucking always.
Out of countless cancellations, some stick. One Piece stuck from the start, and no, it wasn't shitty like you claim.You know how many volumes of Reborn there is? 40 volumes.
You know how many volumes of Fist of the North Star or Saint Seiya? Far less.
In fact, what if I told you Nurarihyon no Mago went as long as the above two? Despite being mediocre and getting canned?Not given a fair chance my fucking ass.
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Yeah. I can't see any reasonable explanation for all of the series arising that have gained popularity being non-battle manga when they're clearly still the most popular type based on the success of the big ones. I'm not saying it would be impossible for a new battle manga to emerge right now, simply that it would be far more difficult than in the past because of the lenght and popularity of the current huge battle manga. Oversaturation is a real thing, and its pretty easy to see how it can be applied to jump
