I just realized… Law cut the mountain... so doesn't that mean the gas can get in the entire facililty now?
Chapter 690: S.A.D
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Does the end imply that the Yonkou targeted by law is Big Mam?
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@Kaboom, I wish I could do that with my twitter account. Twitter is the one social media which I use purely for professional purposes, i.e. the eventual promotion and current tracking of my novella work.
Btw how many of the Yonkou have we actually seen? Shanks and Big Mam, I know that much. Did Blackbeard get Whitebeard's spot or is he considered a loose cannon? I find it hilarious how Americans would usually say mom but a fair few of them are calling her mam, which where I am from in the north east of England is actually the colloquial shortening of mother, even though people south of us use the word mum, as do some of the people north of us in Scotland also use mum.
Also I have a question regarding the shichibukai, how many of them are actually left? I'm not sure how many of them after the war lost their titles, or if the wg is just covering up the ones they lost. I know for a fact that Law has replaced one of them, but Blackbeard used to have Crocodile's spot and well he essentially told the wg to screw themselves after thieving Whitebeard's df.
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@Friend:
@Kaboom, I wish I could do that with my twitter account. Twitter is the one social media which I use purely for professional purposes, i.e. the eventual promotion and current tracking of my novella work.
Btw how many of the Yonkou have we actually seen? Shanks and Big Mam, I know that much. Did Blackbeard get Whitebeard's spot or is he considered a loose cannon? I find it hilarious how Americans would usually say mom but a fair few of them are calling her mam, which where I am from in the north east of England is actually the colloquial shortening of mother, even though people south of us use the word mum, as do some of the people north of us in Scotland also use mum.
Also I have a question regarding the shichibukai, how many of them are actually left? I'm not sure how many of them after the war lost their titles, or if the wg is just covering up the ones they lost. I know for a fact that Law has replaced one of them, but Blackbeard used to have Crocodile's spot and well he essentially told the wg to screw themselves after thieving Whitebeard's df.
Jinbe confirmed that Blackbeard has replaced Whitebeard as a Yonkou, but we haven't seen him or Kaido yet (Blackbeard since before the time-skip, Kaido never).
We know that there is at least five Shichibukais left, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma/PX-0, Hancock and Law. Buggy is probably one too now
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Hmm, despite being let down a bit by my expectations of Smoker, this was still a pretty good chapter. It's not like I can blame Oda for that anyway.
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Caribou gets saved again. Why do I get the feeling that he's going to try to screw this old woman over and regret it. I'm going to laugh my ass off if she beats him up herself.
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Caesar pleading with a massive imprint of a fist embedded into his face cracks me up. It's definitely in character for him to keep saying the same things over and over again in a different way. He'd fit in well on a forum. He might have one more sleazy trick up his sleeve before he gets defeated. His arrogance being based purely on the organization behind him sort of reminds me of Nezumi.
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We get a quick update on building B showing the situation with the gas is very near the make or break point. Interesting that we got Chopper and Mocha's location, but no update on them. I don't really take it that Zoro is lost, but rather that he just hasn't caught up yet since the other group is running too. After all, him and Tashigi are the only ones in sight of the gas, and Tashigi is giving the directions. I guess I'm not surprised that the kids don't remember what happened. That seems typical enough.
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Kinemon/Brook/Usopp were bound to find the other kids in their search, including the one who saw Momo transform. And since Kinemon asks anyone and everyone that he can find, it's no wonder that he heard the story. His actions are hopeless, yet understandable. I do wonder what he'll do when he's actually face to face with the gas, though. Jumping into it may be the same as giving up. I'm actually fairly curious how his actions will play out at this point. That baby dragon is finding some very roundabout ways to be important. One thing that's really lacking for me in this chapter is an update on the other kids that they found. I wish that was addressed in at least a panel. Well, I should probably save those complaints until I find out if they'll be addressed in the next chapter.
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Lol at Usopp blowing all Caesar's plans to hell by showing up on the wrong floor. He's still after the seastone cuffs that Robin asked him to get because Luffy asked her. I would have figured he'd find some by now. Surely the secret room has a pair? It seems to be the way that Caesar will be captured. I can't imagine Luffy asking his crew for something so simple and them not pulling through somehow. Usopp should be strong enough to deal with the fodder I'd think, but there might not even be time for that.
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I have mixed feelings on Smoker vs Vergo. It seemed like Smoker's fight from the beginning, so I was hoping he'd use it to retain his credibility. What actually happened left a little something to be desired, but it wasn't all that bad. He sacrificed the fight in order to use his ability to get Law's heart back (which is shown by the smoke being present next to Law's heart when he receives it). I appreciate that Vergo recognized that something was off about Smoker's strategy but failed to figure out why until it was too late. Smoker not being able to stand being in debt to a pirate makes sense. It also provides some tangible reasoning for why he let the Straw Hats get away in Arabasta after they all escaped from Crocodile's cage. He could have settled the debt by winning the fight himself and returning Law's heart that way, so that might be a sign that he wasn't very confident about winning. Additionally, this whole thing makes me look at his last conversation with Tashigi about facing Vergo alone differently.
Black jutte losing to black bamboo stick confirms for me what I expected to see from "haki levels" going forward. One person's haki will frequently be stronger and that's fine. Between armor haki and mantra (and even kingbition at times), they just account for two (or three) more aspects in which to balance a fight on top of everything else. The first half of the Grand Line acted as a giant demonstration that stronger haki doesn't mean victory. We saw prime examples of that in both Skypeia and Amazon Lily. It's just like being physically stronger or having a stronger DF doesn't determine a fight by itself. Having a plethora of factors that all weigh in will be why future fights can always remain interesting.
I have to admit that I'm starting to wonder if Smoker's heart is going to be addressed or not.
- I like Law's little hat trick. Nice touch there. Despite how quick it was, I actually like the way Law vs Vergo was handled once the playing field was leveled. Mostly because it fit the dialog very well. Law called them out on their overconfidence and how it'd be their undoing, and Vergo validated that statement first hand. Vergo attempted to block an attack that he should have dodged because of his overconfidence in his armor haki and paid the price for it. Whether it's enough to determine the outcome of the fight is immaterial to this chapter, because it was enough to prove a point. It really feels like we'll get some Law flashback involving Dofla and company in his upcoming arc. I also like how Law turned Dofla's own words back at him at the end of the chapter. Like "yeah, all that stuff you said is true, but you got old and it applies to the next generation now." Dofla even lost that trademark smirk! Additionally, I'm glad that the lack of big time confrontations over the past two years has been addressed. Systems were in place to keep things civil between the big shots while they built up strength, and now all of that is going to hell. The dawn of the new era that everyone was preparing for finally approaches.
The ability Law used looked to be the same one he was charging up against the pacifista on Sabaody before it cut away from him and Kid. It's probably different than the room ability that we're familiar with. We've also seen other examples that his powers extend beyond the limits of the room ability. There's the question as to whether or not he used haki with that attack, and I'd lean towards yes. We know he can use it, and I sort of assume it to be a background factor for the rest of the story when haki users are involved. It seems to me that the black affect will be used to signify a serious application of armor haki, but that not all applications of armor haki will use it. I'm certainly starting to question the case of Sengoku turning black during the war now. Most of us had just assumed that was his DF at the time, but it's hard to be so confident about that anymore.
Finally, I gotta give Vanessa props on this one. Smoker sacrificing himself to get Law's heart back. Law defeating Vergo. And Law calling out Dofla in the process. She called them all happening in this chapter with 100% accuracy. And I didn't want to believe it. D:
- The last two spreads were real jaw droppers for me. Especially the last one where Law cut the whole damn mountain in half. I can't help but wonder which half Usopp is on, since he was on the 2nd floor. And now the entire lab is outside. So 5 minutes left! Err, I mean, time's up. Has it really been 2 hours? Law cutting Vergo in half shouldn't be enough to finish him considering how Law's power works, but the gas should be enough to put a stop to the fight either way I'd think, and Vergo's definitely at a disadvantage at the moment. The big question now is how the gas will be dealt with. It seems like it has to be dealt with somehow because too many characters have been caught in it, including some with actual names. The idea of Franky showing up and blowing/sucking it all away has been a popular one for a long time, and I'm particularly fond of the idea of just blasting it off of the island. Then we'd have seen the origins of the giant cloud of death that randomly floats around the New World, to go along with all the other crazy stuff. But the new idea as of this chapter comes with all the SAD tanks being cut in half. The SAD could possibly react with the Shinokuni somehow, now that they'll be mixing together. Either way, it seems like something that should be addressed in the next chapter I'd think.
Baby 5 and Buffalo are still on their way, but they clearly should be no match for Luffy and Law at this point, not to mention all the others. So if I had to guess what will happen, it would have to start with Law and the Straw Hats leaving the island before they get there. The alternative seems fairly pointless. If it was just Smoker, Tashigi, and G-5, then Baby 5 and Buffalo could potentially rescue Vergo and Monet successfully and get away and thus serve a very important purpose. G-5 would have gassed people to rescue as an excuse to stay a little longer. Otherwise their arrival could be like Bon Kurei showing up at Little Garden way too late, but a purpose for that isn't very obvious. Brownbeard I guess could join Law's crew and be able to stay behind to rescue his guys with Warlord protection from the Marines or something, but who knows.
Always enjoy these. Wish they weren't so hard to find in these long chapter threads though.
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Law isn't that good of a character, at least yet. Still, he's better then Kidd in my book, because so far all Kidd amounted to was "Violence violence fight fight violence !"
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@No:
Law isn't that good of a character, at least yet. Still, he's better then Kidd in my book, because so far all Kidd amounted to was "Violence violence fight fight violence !"
That is one thing I sort of like about Kidd. Sure he isn't the deepest character we've seen, but I think there is a place in a world of piracy for someone like Kidd.
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Anybody else think this will be when Law betrays the Strawhats? Cutting the mountain in half seemed… careless.
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That is one thing I sort of like about Kidd. Sure he isn't the deepest character we've seen, but I think there is a place in a world of piracy for someone like Kidd.
Bloodily crucifying folks to put fear into others and spread the word of his brutality.He just doesn't seem to have the character to pull that off. He seems more like a poser trying desperately to look like a "badass" without actualy being one.
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Yeah, I thought I hadn't missed my counting with the shichibukai I just needed to check, since there are manga fans here who know details better than I do. That doesn't make me a lesser manga fan, but I have read a freakish amount of manga and I think that has came at a cost of not absorbing one series at a time. It kinda gnaws at me now and again for some reason, since being a true fan is very important to me.
Anyway that's one reason I love both One Piece and Hunter X Hunter. In other shounen, mainly Naruto and Bleach the so called "evil organisation" gets killed off one by one, but that doesn't really happen in OP or Hxh, and that's somehow exciting. For example Jinbei and Hancock are not gonna attack Luffy. Nor will Crocodile or Moria for that matter. I get the impression that Oda will fit the shichibukai and yonkou with appropriate opponents. We aren't going to find Luffy beating every one of them, because Oda is good with spreading importance between his characters, rather than making everyone rely on Luffy alone.
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@No:
He just doesn't seem to have the character to pull that off. He seems more like a poser trying desperately to look like a "badass" without actualy being one.
Point taken.
Unsure. I wouldn't count on an outright backstabbing from Law. He did mention to Doflamingo that he counts on the Strawhats obtaining Ceaser, so I don't see him backstabbing them in that fashion.
Maybe in a "Well this shit is now your problem, later!" but not in a outright backstabbing move. Cutting the whole damn mountain seemed overkill and careless, but we could write it off as he knew where they were by Haki. -
Also I don't think laws powers kill when he cuts… Just separates. So hitting a straw hat wouldn't hurt them.
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@No:
He just doesn't seem to have the character to pull that off. He seems more like a poser trying desperately to look like a "badass" without actualy being one.
Not really, just like Drake, he has been mentioned to have fought the big boys for 2 years in the NW now, that´s enough to be considered badass, in the end it all comes down to your views which is ok. Both Kidd and Law are not very deep characters and at this point, they are not supposed to be. Their main purpose in the story, especially Kidd, is to be a rival to Luffy for a certain amount of time until Luffy reaches level they can´t and won´t get to. While i see a direct confrontation between Luffy and Kidd, Law´s rivalry with Luffy probably is gonna be expressed by his betrayal, at least that´s my prediction.
@TheCook: I certainly see Law betraying Luffy in an outright way. The guy is always calculating his chances (not like Hawkins obviously), so if he sees an opportunity in which he can take care of Luffy in a situation where he can not expect any advantages from an alliance with Luffy, i definitely see him do it.
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If Law made a "Room" around the whole island, can't he now dispell the gas with a flick of his finger?
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@No:
He just doesn't seem to have the character to pull that off. He seems more like a poser trying desperately to look like a "badass" without actualy being one.
He is the id to Law's ego. I feel like his character has a place.
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@RPG:
looks like they might be the next generation of the four emperors and the pirate king looking at that last page. great chapter .translation i read sucked and couldn't grasp all what was said but these rookies are gonna be a pain in the ass for W.G to deal with
i like this….after the smoke clears.
luffy will be the pirate king.
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luffy will be the pirate king.
law, kidd, apoo (or drake) and hawkins will be the new emperors.LOL, this is kinda arbitrary.
I have a funny feeling that Drake is already working for Kaidō. All of the post-TS Supernovae we've seen so far, have been Shichibukai or independent. At least one of the remaining 'Novae is going to be allied with a Yonkō.
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Not really, just like Drake, he has been mentioned to have fought the big boys for 2 years in the NW now, that´s enough to be considered badass, in the end it all comes down to your views which is ok. Both Kidd and Law are not very deep characters and at this point, they are not supposed to be. Their main purpose in the story, especially Kidd, is to be a rival to Luffy for a certain amount of time until Luffy reaches level they can´t and won´t get to. While i see a direct confrontation between Luffy and Kidd, Law´s rivalry with Luffy probably is gonna be expressed by his betrayal, at least that´s my prediction.
@TheCook: I certainly see Law betraying Luffy in an outright way. The guy is always calculating his chances (not like Hawkins obviously), so if he sees an opportunity in which he can take care of Luffy in a situation where he can not expect any advantages from an alliance with Luffy, i definitely see him do it.
Well I was saying I don't see it happening very soon. Inderos was stating that the mountain slice was showing that Law might backstab the Strawhats, and I was just saying due to the way Law spoke of them in his call out to Doflamingo it didn't sound like he intended to back stab them this soon. Now once all this is done and Law has no use for the Strawhats assistance? Maybe.
But I'm still banking on him just ditching them when they are in a jam really.
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Excuse me folks… SWEET MOTHER OF MONKEY MILK LAW!
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Aside from the "action" and Law's upper-über-power Mihawk-like-slash, the most enjoyable thing bout this chapter was the fact that Law's plan seemed to unfold a little bit more:
We saw Kidd, Apoo, Hawkins, Luffy and Law against Dofla, CC and BigMom. Though it was a lil obvious I doubted that Kidd and Law would work together "again", but after all even Apoo and Kidd have left their "past" behind to cooperate. Yet I thought KiddApooHawkins and Lawffy have been two alliances on their own. But they're one BigShotAlliance!Now here are my speculations:
If the allies really manage to bring down Dofla I doubt he'll get his shichi title revoked like Croc. The upper WG-officer will avoid such a revoke. I wonder what the interests of this officer are.Furthermore I think that Law still could have Luffy's heart as a last trump card up the sleeve, because, you know, NO ONE can control Luffy. And if BigMom really is Lola's mom things will get even more complicated.
I always thought why should Law risk his life and save Luffy from Marineford? Why did he rushed there? If I had such powers I'd totally do the same and CC already warned Luffy that Law could backstab Luffy just like he did with CC.Oda really seems to have sth in store for us the next months/years and I am really excited how this all wraps up.
BTW: that umbrella sella granny and the granny who saved Caribou are not the same. I looked it up: they have different noses and the first one didn't have any "stains"(ger: Altersflecken) on her forehead. Maybe they're sisters, but not the same person.
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Well I was saying I don't see it happening very soon. Inderos was stating that the mountain slice was showing that Law might backstab the Strawhats, and I was just saying due to the way Law spoke of them in his call out to Doflamingo it didn't sound like he intended to back stab them this soon. Now once all this is done and Law has no use for the Strawhats assistance? Maybe.
But I'm still banking on him just ditching them when they are in a jam really.
Law can just use his room to warp to some sea-stone cuffs, kidnap Ceasar and flee. I think you're right, the betrayal is likely to be just leaving them in tight spot so that if they survive, he can just say, "Oh I knew you'd figure something out…" I'm not sure if it's going to happen now or not, but I'm confident Law will eventually betray the Strawhats.
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i like this….after the smoke clears.
luffy will be the pirate king.
law, kidd, apoo (or drake) and hawkins will be the new emperors.Urouge will be no emperor. IMO he currently is now the same on Blackbeard's ship like Coby was on Alvida's ship: the deck cleaner.
I just don't like Urouge.. @SA he grinned all the time no matter how much he got raped. And in the NW he sumhow forgot how to grin.
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@Rotten:
**Didnt think there would be people in denial about the Law-Vergo fight being over.
To them i say this: Vergo was essentially raped. Sure he may still be able to move his arms and legs but that would be pitiful. Even if he could put himself back together(doubtful), what can he do? Law's power trumps his strongest defense, he would just get anally raped again. He should just stay down like a good boy.** I have no doubt Smoker will throw some cuffs on him and haul his ass to Marine HQ.
Wait, does this mean Smoker will become the new head of G5? He deserves it
I very much doubt this.
Look @ Kinemon's example: when we 1st met him, he was literally talking out of his ass, with his face cut in 7 or 8 parts @ another location and his torso somewhere else. When his face was back together, his torso fought Brook without losing (or winning).
Don't confuse Vergo with Monet: Zoro put "the fear of god" in her but there's no way Law could do the same to Vergo, IMO.
Vergo is now cut in half but, unless Law cuts him in a manner where the parts can't attack, he's still a danger to Law.
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I think Vergo will use his CoO to predict where Law's slashes will hit his body and in the last moment focus all his CoA where the slash will hit and it will protect him. But that is if he got very good CoO and is able to predict fast enough because sofar everyone has said how awesome his CoA is and not his CoO.
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Urouge will be no emperor. IMO he currently is now the same on Blackbeard's ship like Coby was on Alvida's ship: the deck cleaner.
I just don't like Urouge.. @SA he grinned all the time no matter how much he got raped. And in the NW he sumhow forgot how to grin.
I just call him Unoobe now or Udouche.Nobody even mentioned Urouge.
Regardless, I don't want him to have joined Blackbeard, if only because he's too similar to Burgess and San Juan Wolf.
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Nobody even mentioned Urouge.
Regardless, I don't want him to have joined Blackbeard, if only because he's too similar to Burgess and San Juan Wolf.
Yeah, I know, I meant my last post in a funny way, cause I really don't like him or any hype bout him.
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I think Vergo will use his CoO to predict where Law's slashes will hit his body and in the last moment focus all his CoA where the slash will hit and it will protect him. But that is if he got very good CoO and is able to predict fast enough because sofar everyone has said how awesome his CoA is and not his CoO.
If he is that good in CoA I sumhow doubt he is as good in CoO. Rayleigh said that, dependent of sumone's talents/skills, he/she should try to focus on one of the 3 haki techniques to get really good at it. And he could have dodged Law's slash if he had any CoO-skills.
Yeah, another thing bothers me: Now that Law slashed the lab open, Shinokuni can get in any room of the lab now, I hope he considered that. If he can treat the gas just like he treats falling snowflakes and bullets (choose their locations) this shouldn't be a problem for him. -
@No:
Law isn't that good of a character, at least yet. Still, he's better then Kidd in my book, because so far all Kidd amounted to was "Violence violence fight fight violence !"
The problem is, you're looking at Kid by himself.
Kid & Killer duo are freaking awesome. The whole Killer being the voice of reason, and Kid trusting his judgement despite his own arrogance, is just so fun to watch. I thought the starting part of ch677 was one of the funniest and interesting portion of this entire arc.i like this….after the smoke clears.
luffy will be the pirate king.
law, kidd, apoo (or drake) and hawkins will be the new emperors.You realize there's no reason to limit to four.
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The problem is, you're looking at Kid by himself.
Kid & Killer duo are freaking awesome. The whole Killer being the voice of reason, and Kid trusting his judgement despite his own arrogance, is just so fun to watch. I thought the starting part of ch677 was one of the funniest and interesting portion of this entire arc.People could certainly use your skill of seeing character dynamics instead of just characters. It was interesting: I love Kid and Apoo's dynamic friction so much.
Also I love how, even though plants yada yada, Usopp still has the thinking-on-his-feet aptitude to search out Sea Stone Handcuffs like in this chapter. Though I'm not sure why I added that or what it has to do with character dynamics, haha. My brain can be all over the place.
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Almost all of my interest in Killer stems from that chapter alone.
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When Kidd, Luffy, and Law are all outside the slave auction that cemented them as characters for me. They seemed just as eager and confident and bullheaded as Luffy and I think really if Shabondy was the first time we were meeting a character like Luffy he would seem pretty one dimensional and a bit swagtastic too. I know it hasn't been explicitly shown but I feel like all of the SN especially Apoo, Law, Kid&Killer, and Drake have all had their own important adventures and character arcs too to get to where they are. The fact that Kidd was willing to kill anyone who laughed at his dream to be Pirate King is not an easy thing to do on the Grandline and he must have gotten into a lot of fights with a lot of people and when we finally see him in the NW we hear he's picking fights with Big Mam's pirates. He could just as easily say "i've been fighting people like you the whole damn way" just like Luffy and it would have just as much truth and impact behind it.
It's really ironic because when most people meet the SHs they underestimate them, and are kind of like "are you serious? YOU are trying to be the Pirate King" and people here have that same reaction to the SNs. They don't like their style or they don't take them seriously or they don't think they're developed but the SHs only come off that way because we know them so well. If we were with Bonney the only thing we'd know about Zoro is he was dumb enough to almost attack a Celestial Dragon. If we were with Law and Kidd the only thing we'd know about Luffy is that he's reckless and a bit silly/stupid. I don't think people take that into account but I feel like Oda has laid a lot groundwork for who these characters are and who they will develop into without giving a huge amount of backstory on them and it's easy to miss if you just automatically dismiss them because you don't like their designs.
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A very valid point, although I personally have never questioned the other rookies who weren't the Strawhats. I was particularly fond of Law and Eustass when they were first introduced and fought alongside Luffy. It gave me a "we are rivals but lets fuck shit up for the wg before we fight each other" kind of vibe.
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@The:
Even if the “New age” covers more people than just Law, the only one actively counteract Doffys designs, the orchestrator of the whole PH incident, and the one saying “Fuck you!” to Doflamingo, is Law.
So? It's the perfect way to make the point. If it weren't PH, it would have been something or someone else. What Law did was an inevitability. The old era ended and it's time for the new era to swing into action. He only did it in a cool way. Really your problem as far as I can see boils down to "Well the scene was important, but I don't like Law, did he have to be the one to do it?" Well, no, it could have been anyone. But Oda made Law's character specifically for this purpose (not just because he's cool).
@The:
My point was that events are oh so much more satisfying when its 100% applicable to the free will of Luffy and his crew- not when its just doing what someone else wants/says.
Arlong Park sucks. He only beat Arlong because Nami wanted him to ugh
"But that's okay because he cared about Nami!"
And he cares about Law. I realize that a broken down woman like Nami is much more likable than Law but same principle. Luffy helps who he wants. Really, this again boils down to "I don't like Luffy helping Law because I don't like Law". Fair enough but don't say he's being manipulated because he's not.
@The:
Yes, Luffy is now invested, which took its sweet time but is great. But the whole thing was set in motion because Law said “Hey Luffy. Do this thing for me?” “Okay, sure, I’m not really invested, but okay”. That’s just…so not the Luffy I love. The Luffy I love is the proactive one, the one who does decides on his own to do something. And its not comparable to a close companion asking Luffy to help with a completely despairing situation, its just “hey Luffy I got this intricate plan all figured out, and it was ready to go even without anyone showing up, but since you’re here, wanna help out?”
See above.
@The:
This doesn’t really describe Laws character in any interesting way, nor refute my points about him. ANY mangaka could have thought him up. Theres just so little to differentiate him from the masses. “Oooh, what are Laws goals, so mysterious” is not enough to make me care. Sorry, but it just isn’t.
No, he couldn't. If Kubo thought him up, he would be terrible because I'd know there would be nothing more to this character than meets the eye. I'm interested in Law because of the subtle impressions he gives me of being a much deeper character. I'm legitimately interested in the character and what he's going to do. That's not something that any mangaka can do with such an archetype which is so easy to devolve into pretentious cool boy. That takes some good writing skills.
@The:
So its sort of reverse psychology? Laws design and personality are so bland that it makes him interesting? Hot dog, Sengokus fanbase must be enormous then, and I guess that makes Mihawk the most exciting Shichibukai of the lot. No wait, his Antonio Banderas look is sorta creative, he can’t count.
Personally I never found his design or personality bland. He had this cool hippy look and a chill stoner like personality juxtaposed with the fact that he;s apparently some stone-cold serial killer. That was different.
@The:
This is the flimsiest excuse to “deepen” Law ever. Depth by character association.
“Crocodile is so interesting, he has Mr 2 in his staff” “Spandam is so interesting, he has Fukuro in his staff” Etc. Having weird shit in your crew is everyday life in One Piece.Baroque Works and CP9 were large organizations that hired whoever was strong regardless of appearance. Crocodile never even met the people he hired before his plan. Law's crew is smaller and more personal and the fact that he goes out of his way to take on a Polar Bear who he's comfortable enough with to let stay by his right shoulder and even rests on his sleeping body especially when he's supposed to be this malicious dude is interesting. Like how Kenpachi always has a small girl as his vice-captain is interesting. Didn't amount to much in the end, but it was interesting at the start.
@The:
Classic “Does what he feels in the moment” laid back “badass” character. But I actually preferred Law this way. He was never my favourite supernova, but back when he was just kind of a chill, clever stoner-looking dude at Sabaody I didn’t mind him. Back then, he always had this relaxed expression on his face. SUPER SERIOUS SMIRKING I HAVE A PLAN MASTERMIND LAW is a different story; almost a different character, even.
Again, all I'm getting is "I don't like him because fuck Bleach" execution be damned. And really, I don't see him much different from the start except we're delving into his character in detail now. Law always gave the impression of someone who likes to plan things out from the start though.
@The:
So Laws substance is: He’s mysterious, we don’t know his actual substance yet.
Well if we're going to be downright pedantic, his substance is he's mysterious but we don't know his actual substance but we've seen quite a bit of it it here and there and we liked what we saw. His character is subtle but it's there. We've seen more and more of him especially in this arc. Totally different from "He's so cool, he must be DEEP!".
@The:
If there was a panel of him dissecting the hearts out of living pirates? Sure. But all I see is Strength Feats and Plans. What did he do that was “Insane”
You mean other than planning to create a shitstorm in the New World and majorly piss off some very big players?
@The:
I care because when someone is established as a master planner, it makes them look shallow and bad when their plan easily falls apart and they aren’t called on it.
The plan itself is solid. Fixed goal, everything he does is working towards it. Cause and effect.
@The:
He made the chain switch specifically as a countermeasure to get captured. It’s a “Wow, Law is so smart!” moment that ultimately makes no sense, and thus undermines it.
He's that good? It's a minor thing, by no means a deal-breaker especially given how vague the details about it are.
@The:
Law had absolutely no idea Luffy- nor anyone else-was coming. His plan was to do it himself, from the beginning. Or are you saying his plan was “reach Punk Hazard. Twiddle thumbs and hope for the best”?
And by “destroy SAD” I am referring to the fact that he just fucked up the SAD production room pretty decicively.
Law could have implemented his plan whenever he wanted true but he decided to bide him time, wait for the right moment and in the mean time do his research on SAD and refine his plan. The fact that Luffy came was the opportune moment so he decided to implement his plan then and there. Had he tried doing it on his own, he'd have had to face Caeser and all his personnel by himself opposed to Luffy coming in and serving as a distraction to split his forces. Really, if Vergo hadn't shown up, he'd have walked off with SAD with absolutely no obstruction or risk towards himself. However because Vergo showed up, without Luffy and Smoker, he'd never have succeeded.
@The:
He cut them into pieces. Right in front of a lab entrance. And left them there, not hiding them in any way.
Because people are going to walk out in the freezing cold for no reason. The only reason those guys are there is probably because they followed him from inside the complex
@The:
@The:
And its long established that people cut by Law are very much alive, and can reassemble themselves.
Like Kinemon could? Oh wait…
But again, really these are all nitpicks. Are these the biggest flaws you can come up with? Nothing more substantial or fundamental or completely counter-productive to his goals? Like chasing some stupid highschoolers for no reason level?
@The:
Law: “Damn you Vergo! If you weren’t here, I had it all figured out how to get my heart back!
See above. He was biding his time.
@The:
Theres a million places It could’ve failed, not the least of which is the assumption of asking Caesar and Monet politely not to alert Doflamingo of his presence would work. Which it didn’t. And would have killed him if he hadn’t lucked out and Smoker had arrived.
Vergo arriving was as much BECAUSE Smoker and Luffy arrived than anything. Caeser called for reinforcements because how out of control the situation was getting.
But really, I'm not even arguing that the plan was flawless. I'm arguing that it MAKES SENSE. That there's a fixed defined goal and that everything Law does is working towards it.
@The:
Powers used to have a clearly defined base, and be restricted to uses of that core ability. Luffy stretches and that’s IT. He doesn’t summon rubber out of the ether or turn things rubbery upon a touch, he just stretches. Buggy JUST splits himself. Croc is JUST sand. And all have plenty of moves that yes, use this ONE power in creative ways.
With characters like Law and Hancock, its just a grab-bag clusterfuck of different things all in one fruit. Law can make stuff levitate, swap objects of different sizes, keep people alive without hearts, create electricity, teleport objects of a certain nature without swapping them for anything at all, swap minds, all because it falls under the vague notion of "Stuff you can do in an operation room". Theres nothing stopping Law from busting out his super technique "Pull The plug", where he instantly kills people by cutting their metaphysical life support. Because thats kinda doctor related.
Yep Luffy can do nothing but stretch. Just stretch. Oh and accelerate his blood flow greatly increasing his speed and stamina. And blow himself up into gigantic proportions. Buggy can't do anything but split himself. And fly so long as his feet follow. And turn himself into a car. Crocodile can't do anything but turn to sand. And suck the water out of you. And completely eradicate the ground under your feet.
Law's base ability is that he can cut up and move around anything in his room. But of course he's going to find new ways to use his devil fruit, new applications just like Luffy did. It's the smart thing for Devil Fruit users to do. But it all ties into his base ability. Almost everything you listed falls under he can make things move in his room how he wishes souls included. It's Buggy in reverse. That's all it is. He can take people's hearts and they'll still live. Just like how he can take people's head and they still live. The only thing that hasn't been explained and that doesn't fit in with his ability is his countershock but I'm willing to wait for an explanation for that one.
@The:
I’ll give you that Smoker put up a decent effort, but he landed no hits, and lost fair and square.
Law only landed his one hit. That wasn't the sort of fight where the combatants beat each other bloody. It was a "first one to hit wins" fight. Law would have just as easily lost had Smoker managed to pin him down with his jutte. It was a very close call at the end where Smoker only lost by one move. But the whole point of that fight was to show how both the characters were equally strong but Law only came out on top that one time mostly due to a sneak attack. If they fought again, Smoker wouldn't make the same mistake again.
@The:
An the way this chapter presents it, its pretty clear that Oda wants to impress the notion of “Fuck you Vergo! You only won because you had my heart!”
No, the way the chapter presents it is "Fuck you Vergo, you underestimated me!" Had Vergo not just charged recklessly and took Law's attack thinking it wouldn't do anything to him but simply fought smart and cautiously against a tired out, beat up Law, he'd have probably won. Yes, he got a cool pose in the end, everyone gets those when they win a fight. But it really was more to accentuate how shocking it was that Law just beat him just like that (which was quickly tied in to the theme at the end) not how awesome he is.
@The:
Oh come on now. Pearl had wackiness, as had Absalom the Nyanban bros, but you’re not gonna see me defend them as good characters…though at least they had something to set them apart.
Uh huh.
@The:
But surely you must get what I mean about OP characters? Law has none of the entertainment value of someone like Garp,
I think the shit he does is cool and entertaining. His devil fruit alone has a lot of entertainment value.
@The:
no memorable design like Magellan,
I'm sorry he doesn't have horns on his head and goofy expressions or something exaggerated like that but his hat and cool stoner look is pretty memorable to me.
@The:
he has none of the heart of someone like, Bon, Bellemere, Gan Fall, Cobra, Kureha, Genzo, etc.
Hell, lets take Noland. Is he wacky? Nah. Super quirky personality? Nah. Extravagant design? Apart from his nose and the acorn, nah. But god damn if he isn’t a fucking excellent character, because I actually care about him. Law, despite his crew name, has no Heart to his character. And when you also lack design and personality, then theres not much left.Neither did Robin when we first met her. We only got hints of it like when we found out in Arabasta that she sank a bunch of warships when she was eight. Her character was mostly supported by the mystery and intrigue surrounding her. But we got that emotional heart in the end. Just like we'll get with Law when we come to his flashback. But until then, I'll enjoy that aforementioned mystery and intrigue surrounding his character until we get something juicier.
@The:
Law doesn’t stand for evil calculated moves on Odas part. He stands for reaching for a character template from the Trope drawer.
I give Oda much more credit than he made his character like this because it was easy.
@The:
If Luffy arrives at Elbaf, or some other island new interesting island, but suddenly X Drake is there and all conversations sing the tune of KAIDOKAIDOKAIDOKAIDO oh theres original characters and interesting history and story potential here but KAIDOKAIDOKAIDOKAIDO I might thump something.
I don’t mind “the big picture” being updated, but can’t the arcs be their own thing first? Drum would have been awful if the namedroppings of Blackbeard, Ace and Gol D Roger had taken center stage. These last few chapters were good because we got connected to the PH specific drama, but largely it has been shafted for just buildup.That's your opinion. I think the balance between drama and story has been pretty good in this arc. Yes, Luffy and the crew didn't become invested till pretty late in the game but that wasn't due to the failing on Oda's part, that was the point. To uncover the true horror of the island, for Luffy and Co. to start off all happy and hyper and then they and we become shocked at just how dark and insidious this place really is.
@The:
Doesn’t make his character and spotlight hogging here in the present any better.
What spotlight hogging? He's getting the amount of spotlight that the story needs. Again, Oda is not looking at popularity polls and overdosing us with Law because of that. He's doing it for a reason. Which is to build up his character for the impending Doflamingo arc. You can not like him sure but bitching about how he's getting too much screentime is silly. He's getting as much as he needs.
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I wonder if joker will show up. Vergo has lost his value and like bellamy will be left to die. However, Dofla seems arrogant and prideful, would he recall the ones on the way to PH? Smoker will arrest vergo and law kidnapp ceasar, that is inevitable, but I'm not too sure if Oda will end the arc in such way or if he will escalate, to start the first major confrontation. Dofla cant be shown weak, yet the above must happen. I think the only way to preserve Dofla status is a show of his power whether through confrontation with marines (if he is fond of vergo) or the alliance.
Oda already set big mam up as long term target, and there hasnt been major to-the-death battle since the war. I really think dofla will have to show up.
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Yeah, after Law's last speech is reasonable his Yonkou-target is BM: She was the only emperor who sat on her fat ass during the war. Even Kaidou did sth: he wanted to stop Shanks from interfering the war for whatever reason.
Either he didn't want Shanks to run into his doom (2 emperors down, only 2 emperors left - easy target for the other forces - ,
or he didn't want that WB gets help so he falls there
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I love what Law represents in this chapter, the new rookies rising up, haha :) I'm glad Luffy doesn't get to hog it all to himself since he had a gigantic moment declaring war on the World Government. And, when something happens to Law, Luffy will be the one to take the torch and get his own moment of upheaval of the old ways!
Also with TLC and Daz's debate right there it feels like I'm reading the Arlong Park of olde. And I mean that in the best way possible.
P.S.: I like those little admin anecdotes you give us once in a while, Urouge, about predictions and stuff from the site-runners like 'Nessa. They're neat.
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As for aftermath, there's also speculation that with Law around for a while, Chopper may split from SH temporarily to pursue finding cure for Mocha and the children. It would also set up for the "Fifth" chapter when he rejoins.
Wow man, a serious theory? This feels surreal somehow. :ninja:
I guess I'm just not sold on Chopper's ability to move around the ocean on his own. I mean, Luffy would help him get to wherever he wanted to go.
@400MillionBelis:
Or a certain supernova may appear…
I'd be fairly disappointed it Drake picked an island right away and then stayed in the same spot for 2 years.
IDK who that is, but all of this was predictable since before the fight even began. Except maybe the last part about Dofla.
Well, please forward me to you predicting all of that and I'll give you props too. And not only did she predict it all, but she also nailed the chapter in which it would happen.
And Vanessa is one of the admins on this site.
LOL yeah it seems that this secret room is a control room… I can't help but wonder if Usopp is gonna be of help in more ways than just getting some seastone cuffs. I mean Caeser was order his men in that room to open doors, so its possible to figure out how to open/close other doors & passage wasys...should be a map...and who know what else is in that old room of Vegapunks
I think I'd consider stuff like this more seriously if the entire mountain hadn't been cut in half. It is possible that he could open the escape door, though. And I suppose it's true that some random new Vegapunk plot element could be introduced.
:blink: That is one thing I've nto thought about! I got the impression that "secret room" was one of the highest spots in the lab. esp going by these pages that shows the room is very high judging by the lift Caesers men used to get down to confront Brownbeard. So can we assume that Usopp was higher than Law.
The secret room is 2nd floor of R block, Luffy vs Caeser is happenong on 1st (ground) floor of R block. When we look at the doors of that floor and compare their size to the average sized human… the henchmen again appear like ants compared to the door. It looks like Omio & Kashi would walk thorugh it without stooping. So I would guess thatt he first floor is somewhere 150 ft tall. I think Usopp is higher than Law.To be fair, Law's slash wasn't perfectly horizontal. The cut through the mountain was higher on the right side, and he was in the far left room. Oda drew it in such a way that he can put the secret room on either side of the cut without complaints.
Urouge will be no emperor. IMO he currently is now the same on Blackbeard's ship like Coby was on Alvida's ship: the deck cleaner.
I just don't like Urouge.. @SA he grinned all the time no matter how much he got raped. And in the NW he sumhow forgot how to grin.
I just call him Unoobe now or Udouche.Congratulations, I hate you now.
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Wow man, a serious theory? This feels surreal somehow. :ninja:
I guess I'm just not sold on Chopper's ability to move around the ocean on his own. I mean, Luffy would help him get to wherever he wanted to go.
Me neither, nor do I think nakama numbering titles are essential.
But if Chopper was going to leave and rejoin for that reason, this would be the perfect timing. We even have another doctor around. -
I put this here.. didn't come from me (credits towards Mulderman)
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but why did you put it here
need some context
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ONE PIECE 690 RAW
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lol forgot to put the reason there..
Anyways, it was already forshadowed that the Zoan Army belongs to Big Mom.
It's just shows that Oda already told us this.. but we didnt see it yet ;3. -
but why did you put it here
need some context
I think he wanted to prove that is was big mom who has an army of Zoan df users. ("the beasts of big mom's pirate crew " )
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I'm pretty sure the Japanese word there is used to depict strong people rather than animals. That's just an unfortunate translation under the circumstances.
Me neither, nor do I think nakama numbering titles are essential.
But if Chopper was going to leave and rejoin for that reason, this would be the perfect timing. We even have another doctor around.Well, I can agree with the potential opportunity. But there are still things about it that just don't… feel right? Like it being so early in the New World. I dunno. I can't refute it or anything, but I can't really buy into it either.
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lol forgot to put the reason there..
Anyways, it was already forshadowed that the Zoan Army belongs to Big Mom.
It's just shows that Oda already told us this.. but we didnt see it yet ;3.S'okay. It's like a super high chance that it belongs to Big Mam, regardless of that translation or not. I hope people aren't disappointed by that. There's a difference between setting things up and unpredictability, and Oda intermingles the two nicely. Even if it doesn't make much sense, there's people that are going to want it to be Kaido.
I mean it makes sense I suppose, but Oda usually has themes among crews. Big Mam's seems to be really Alice-in-Wonderland-esque, and in typical Oda fashion, he's probably going to want to show a warped version of that tribute.
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I got a feeling that Vergo is not finished yet, and Law will brutally cuts Vergo into countless smaller slices, that we cannot even see his original shape again…....
Too much violence? :/
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I got a feeling that Vergo is not finished yet, and Law will brutally cuts Vergo into countless smaller slices, that we cannot even see his original shape again…....
Too much violence? :/
If Oda wants violence to be portrayed, he'll find a way for it. Vergo ACTUALLY getting cut up seems even worse than a chunk of Whitebeard's head getting magma-tized, so I don't think he could show that "really" happening. Oda doesn't seem to mind "fake" violence, like a cyborg's head being caved in, or Crocodile having fists go through his body. So, if that was to happen to Vergo, it would need to happen through a ruse, which Law's cuts that don't kill you when separated provide. It's a little too violent for it to really happen, so as long as it happens under the guise of a Devil Fruit power, it'll be okay.
And then he could deliver the 100 bits of Vergo to Doflamingo like he delivered the 100 hearts to the government. Hahahaha.
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As for aftermath, there's also speculation that with Law around for a while, Chopper may split from SH temporarily to pursue finding cure for Mocha and the children. It would also set up for the "Fifth" chapter when he rejoins.
Yes, I have read that it is because Chopper was very incompetent in keeping safe a candy bag. I would fire him.
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i also believe vergo and monet are not yet done…they would be likely fetched by baby 5 and buffalo....though when the strawhats and law and smoshigi goes after them in dress rosa, im thinking who goes up against them will be changed.
maybe vergo fights zoro in dress rosa and monet fights kinemon.
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I'm thinking next chapter: Vergo's legs vs Law
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@$abZ:
I'm thinking next chapter: Vergo's legs vs Law
Naw man, it's Robins time to shine now. If she can't get a real fight then maybe a half.