The symbiotic relatioship between Naruto and Kurama should have been built up since the begining.
Also, Bleach being later this time because it had a lot more text than usual.
The symbiotic relatioship between Naruto and Kurama should have been built up since the begining.
Also, Bleach being later this time because it had a lot more text than usual.
Well my point on that is I think it would be much better if Naruto and the Kyuubi were at least on good terms instead of Naruto using the Kyuubi's chakra without him being willing for the rest of the series. The latter just seems kind of cruel and abusive even if the Kyuubi was originally evil.
Well, at the very least, they're on good terms because having Uchiha uberlords take over the world isn't in either of their interests.
So yeah, I'll give you that.
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/610/4
The Juubi in this page looks like Myukus from
Excuse me-
But that's just it. Naruto and Kyuubi were enemies from the begining, weren't they? Or at the very least, not friends. Kyuubi had attacked the Leaf Village and was the main reason why so many villagers hated/feared Naruto.
Although friending the fox was like Naruto earning the respect from the whole damn ninja world so quickly: betraying the ideas of what made Naruto the underdog appealing to the readers.
I'm fine with the concept of enemies turning into allies. It's been done all the time in storytelling, so its the execution that matters.
Of course. How many people can get into the King's Realm in the first place?! Only Division 0 and whoever makes the Oken. 0.00000001% of the universe.
Technically the order was to keep the healers inside, though it was being inside that limited the healing!
….Doesn't Naruto have like infinite Chakra right now? One clone is in Sage Mode, and the….original? Is in super Kyuubi sketchy flame mode.
And apparently Aizen and Urahara. Although, now why would a 3rd officer of the 2nd division pay a visit at the King's palace to begin with… I don't know. Then he became a Captain and then he left SS, so when did he found the time? Why was he left alive? Kubo needs to explain that.
And apparently Aizen and Urahara. Although, now why would a 3rd officer of the 2nd division pay a visit at the King's palace to begin with… I don't know. Then he became a Captain and then he left SS, so when did he found the time? Why was he left alive? Kubo needs to explain that.
There's this whole underlying theme of Urahara. He somehow manages to know about everything in the damn universe. Given the fact that he put the Hogyoku in Rukia, made Ichigo a Vizard, and even knows what the Spirit King is…...I dunno, I smell malice. A dark intention, perhaps.
For 48 volumes, the entire story was a chess match between Urahara and Aizen. Ichigo was their unwilling puppet.
And then Ichigo was the puppet of Ginjo and Soul society.
See what I mean about the guy having no free will?
@No:
At least the Beard guy is stopping the Kuwabara dude from acting all high and mighty.
And Hikifune hasn't done anything bad yet, aside from a little fist-of-love to thatoneguy's cranium. Yes I do not remember any of the Vizards name aside from Hachi.
Zangief is still far too jolly for me to stomach considering this situation, but so far he's the only one who might turn around for me.
Hikifune doesn't seem like an asshole- just annoying.
Whelp, I'm out of time for today, expect more thoughts tomorrow.
Kishimoto at his best yet again. I legitimately had no idea what was going on in the fight at certain points. Who moved? Where did they move? Where did the other ones come from suddenly? To sum the fight up – blah blah BOOM BOOM beam attack blah END.
See Metamario, sometimes all it takes to make a series better is to give a description like that. Half of my dislike of Bleach comes from a handful of chapters in deicide where we never seen Aizen or Urahara at full power i.e. bankai. What would have happened had Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin had chose to not intervene in the Gayicide arc?
@Friend:
See Metamario, sometimes all it takes to make a series better is to give a description like that. Half of my dislike of Bleach comes from a handful of chapters in deicide where we never seen Aizen or Urahara at full power i.e. bankai. What would have happened had Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin had chose to not intervene in the Gayicide arc?
I'm guessing…..Aizen would win? Then again, Gin would've still tried to kill him......although Aizen would survive either way. Yeah, Aizen would win, and bye bye Karakura Town.
And not showing Bankai was Kubo's way of being too lazy to think of an idea. Either that, or he didn't want to mess up the power scaling more than he already did. Then again, who needs Bankai? Aizen using Shikai would've been too easy in stopping Ichigo, since again....it's only Gin that knew the weakness!
Overall, it's the in-the-shadows puppetry game that ruins the whole conflict. What's more satsifying: Ichigo and his friends banding together to destroy the universe's greatest threat, or Urahara taking the glory of the victory and going "checkmate".
Really it's only Urahara and his puppet-I mean Ichigo that finishes the saga. It's a tad underwhelming, considering everyone else failed miserably at it.
Now that I think about it, Urahara did get his resolution in that the monstrous thing he created seems to be dealt with. As for what next, I will be really pissed off if Ishida has no place in the new arc given that they are his people- well sort of since he's basically on Ichigo's side- and his grandfather didn't hate the soul reapers. But not Ichigo beating the big bad by himself. It's going to come down to his quincy blood isn't it?
So i assume with how things are going that the soul key to the palace is just on top of the gate, you know they would never look there.
@The:
And then Ichigo was the puppet of Ginjo and Soul society.
See what I mean about the guy having no free will?Zangief is still far too jolly for me to stomach considering this situation, but so far he's the only one who might turn around for me.
I was complaing about that too, but at least he's not actively attacking people for being emotional like Massive Dick Who Looks More Like that Hair Guy From Shaman King then Kuwabara.
Alternatives include under the mat or in the pot/vase. Unless it's like a super heavy key like the one Superman has in All Star Superman.
@Venomous:
So i assume with how things are going that the soul key to the palace is just on top of the gate, you know they would never look there.
It's in a fake rock, right in front of the gate.
Oh and while writing up, I checked back to TBTP to see if I might have a faulty memory on the whole "no withdrawal from the Gotei 13"
NOPE
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-315.3-page-12.html
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Mini observation
http://theappliedlogic.blogspot.cz/2012/11/squad-0-or-excercise-in-pointlesness.html
Also planning to do a post on the whole "Maggots nest" thing.
@Friend:
Now that I think about it, Urahara did get his resolution in that the monstrous thing he created seems to be dealt with. As for what next, I will be really pissed off if Ishida has no place in the new arc given that they are his people- well sort of since he's basically on Ichigo's side- and his grandfather didn't hate the soul reapers. But not Ichigo beating the big bad by himself. It's going to come down to his quincy blood isn't it?
Yes. Ichigo's the mary-sue all purpose character, after all.
Seriously though, we all know Kubo will say this arc was about Ishida. Like the Fullbringer arc was about Chad!
@No:
Mini observation
http://theappliedlogic.blogspot.cz/2012/11/squad-0-or-excercise-in-pointlesness.html
Also planning to do a post on the whole "Maggots nest" thing.
Haha, nice.
Maggot's Nest…..I remember that from TBTP. Technically Urahara screwed the universe twice, not just the whole Aizen-hogyoku nonsense, but y'know....taking Mayuri out of jail.
They apparently are allowed to retire, though. Whoever the 3rd Captain was before Rose, did, as did the Lieutenant, who was Iba's mother. I guess they're still considered as active, despite being retired, though.
Yes. Ichigo's the
mary-sueall purpose character, after all.Seriously though, we all know Kubo will say this arc was about Ishida. Like the Fullbringer arc was about Chad!
Haha, nice.
Maggot's Nest…..I remember that from TBTP. Technically Urahara screwed the universe twice, not just the whole Aizen-hogyoku nonsense, but y'know....taking Mayuri out of jail.
No, I was thinking more about this
FUCKING PARADISE amirite ?
And yet with all this borderinline-schizophrenic paranoia, the Aizen thing still happened…..and boy did it ever.
@No:
No, I was thinking more about this
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FUCKING PARADISE amirite ?
Wait wait wait…...these people were locked up on mere suspicion? The Gotei thinks they can do wrong, but can't prove it? What's more, they don't accept leaving of your own whim?
.....I seriously missed that.
......Welp, I should add that to my SS rant, shouldn't I? And speaking of the "retired" members, Kubo needs to do another TBTP flashback. Look at that colorspread. What happened to Iba's mom? Sentaro's dad? Hanataro's brother? Omaeda's dad? Was the 6th Division all Kuchikis since the foundation?
Wait wait wait…...these people were locked up on mere suspicion?
A suspicion that gets no more concrete then "they could do something bad one day".
@No:
A suspicion that gets no more concrete then "they could do something bad one day".
Isn't it really ironic this came out of Urahara's mouth, then?
I mean…...making the Hogyoku set in motion a chain of events that resulted in murder, kidnapping, and attempted genocide.
Isn't it really ironic this came out of Urahara's mouth, then?
I mean…...making the Hogyoku set in motion a chain of events that resulted in murder, kidnapping, and attempted genocide.
Yes but the problem is: this is an eternity of imprisonment in a secret prison, without trial or appeal, no way of being released unless you're somehow needed, for a life that can span centuries or mileniae, while those close to you get lied to about your whereabouts and fate.
Again GOOD GUYS.
@No:
Yes but the problem is: this is an eternity of imprisonment in a secret prison, without trial or appeal, no way of being released unless you're somehow needed, for a life that can span centuries or mileniae, while those close to you get lied to about your whereabouts and fate.
Again GOOD GUYS.
Oh no, I'm not denying the reasoning is stupid and the result is completely unfair. Because….it i_s._
Whelp, that's why I like when you guys remind me of things I missed. I'll be sure to include this.
Oh no, I'm not denying the reasoning is stupid and the result is completely unfair. Because….it i_s._
Whelp, that's why I like when you guys remind me of things I missed. I'll be sure to include this.
I…...kinda wanted to.....
But you an as well :D
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Oh no, I'm not denying the reasoning is stupid and the result is completely unfair. Because….it i_s._
Whelp, that's why I like when you guys remind me of things I missed. I'll be sure to include this.
And to add to my previous post:
Not just of the common population, but of loyal soldiers, who willingly enlisted in your force and loyaly served you for CENTURIES.
Maiyuri came from the Maggost's Nest iirc…Was allowed to be let out, for reasons and was eventually a captain. I wonder what it was he was supposed to do that they felt he was dangerous. Must have been worse than experimentation on "living" people and genocide.
I just thought of something, if the soul kings domain is within the soul society, why the hell did they transport aizen and them to the fake karakura town within the soul society when thats where he needed to be to get in anyway? I cant remember but i know all he needed was to destroy the real town to create the oken, he could have easily sent someone else to do that in his absence (unless it had to be him, my memory on it is a bit fuzzy), correct me if im wrong though because that sounds completely dumb to trap him in the place he hopes to gain access to.
@Venomous:
I just thought of something, if the soul kings domain is within the soul society, why the hell did they transport aizen and them to the fake karakura town within the soul society when thats where he needed to be to get in anyway? I cant remember but i know all he needed was to destroy the real town to create the oken, he could have easily sent someone else to do that in his absence (unless it had to be him, my memory on it is a bit fuzzy), correct me if im wrong though because that sounds completely dumb to trap him in the place he hopes to gain access to.
I'm pretty sure he can easily and readily gain access to the Soul Society in the first place, so that isn't a huge issue. Their main reasoning behind the switch was to protect the people of karakura town, so that when the fighting took place, they were fighting over a dummy city without fear of hurting innocents, rather than fighting with severe limitations for fear of harming others. We all know how crazy the fights that took place there were, just imagine if the humans were actually there at the time, well.. they'd be dead.
And also they needed to pay souldollars for damages to the dummy town.
And also they needed to pay souldollars for damages to the dummy town.
Yes.
The captains had to PAY for dammages to the battlefield-barrier-thing made to stop an army of high level hollows and three former captains, armed with a magic wish grantic orb.
So basicly the 46 chambers expected them to take care of all that without the slightest bit of collateral dammage whatsoever.
Wow… Bleach is actually more interesting now than Naruto.
Somehow Madara and Obito are plugged into the Juubi, because the Juubi allowed it? What? I mean, we go from creating the most powerful creature in the Naruto-universe, and they can control it and use it to their liking immediately, because @%^# you.
I get it. Kishi needs to prove that the group will fail against Madara and Obito. Bee's attack won't work. I just don't like where this is going. Naruto loses, possibly dies (to be resurrected later by Karin who was watching from a distance or Tsunade does it), so... what stops Madara? Sasuke? Most likely, and his scroll that will allow him to take control over the war. Cool...
@No:
Yes.
The captains had to PAY for dammages to the battlefield-barrier-thing made to stop an army of high level hollows and three former captains, armed with a magic wish grantic orb.
So basicly the 46 chambers expected them to take care of all that without the slightest bit of collateral dammage whatsoever.
I thought all those dudes were killed by Aizen before hand. Where did they get the replacements?
I thought all those dudes were killed by Aizen before hand. Where did they get the replacements?
I assume from wherever the other 46 came from ?
I assume there's this Noble and elite class living inside of SS that aren't shinigami, who are bread for the sole purpose of taking over the 46 chambers.
Wow… Bleach is actually more interesting now than Naruto.
Somehow Madara and Obito are plugged into the Juubi, because the Juubi allowed it? What? I mean, we go from creating the most powerful creature in the Naruto-universe, and they can control it and use it to their liking immediately, because @%^# you.
I get it. Kishi needs to prove that the group will fail against Madara and Obito. Bee's attack won't work. I just don't like where this is going. Naruto loses, possibly dies (to be resurrected later by Karin who was watching from a distance or Tsunade does it), so... what stops Madara? Sasuke? Most likely, and his scroll that will allow him to take control over the war. Cool...
yeah basically .
I thought all those dudes were killed by Aizen before hand. Where did they get the replacements?
@No:
I assume from wherever the other 46 came from ?
I like to think it's what happens to wealthy/noble assholes who go to SS. Like SS in general (hey there's an afterlife! …but it's the shittiest form of medieval Japan), it sounds sounds good (afterlife, get to call the shots), but actually is terrible (dark room, apparently no guards, boards or w/e in front of your face, 45 other assholes you have to basically serve eternal jury duty with).
Just a question: I know Japan is a lot more open with swears and lewd jokes but do the characters honestly talk like that this often in the raws or is this just Mangastream having to much fun with this crap. Its starting to get old.
@Kaze: Sasuke's redemption must come from him sacrificing himself and failing and dying, or sacrificing himself but surviving and losing his eyesight (spamming his jutsu to halt him while Naruto heals).However Kishimoto will probs want Sasuke to survive without losing anything. Even so wouldn't that be better than Sasuke not bothering to attack Madara at all but still coming home a hero because the new hokage Naruto ends it? Also Kishimoto could still stick with what Naruto said about him and Sasuke killing each other the next time they fought.
Check this guy out…
Eighteen minutes? Well, skimmed it quickly, so I think I got it down. TL;DW Excited Naruto fan has got some complaints about the chapter.
Out of all the villians in naruto, obito has the most bs reason for being evil. Even kabuto's reason was legit
@No:
I…...kinda wanted to.....
But you an as well :D
No, if you want to, go ahead.
And I know I'm gonna be a broken record, but I did some math. Ishida has been out of the story for 31 chapters. Let's take out three to account for breaks in this arc, so that results in seven months if we go by an average of four chapters a month.
Again, there's nothing wrong with withdrawing a character from focus to build up suspense on the sidelines. But since this is a Quincy arc, I will keep complaining at Kubo_._
No, if you want to, go ahead.
And I know I'm gonna be a broken record, but I did some math. Ishida has been out of the story for 31 chapters. Let's take out three to account for breaks in this arc, so that results in seven months if we go by an average of four chapters a month.
Again, there's nothing wrong with withdrawing a character from focus to build up suspense on the sidelines. But since this is a Quincy arc, I will keep complaining at Kubo_._
No, not only can you mention it, you should mention it.
@Mark:
Check this guy out…
that guy is a freaking ""genius""!!!!
complain after complain just because the manga doesn't go toward the direction he wanted. most of it doesn't make sense at all..
One of the Zero squad members looks like a character from shaman king who's name I can't remember.
One of the Zero squad members looks like a character from shaman king who's name I can't remember.
Ryu of the wooden sword, perhaps?
I'll admit, I laughed at this week's Bleach.
What's more, I think that the Zero Division were SUPPOSED to come off as contemptuous, so I don't feel too bad about them being horrible people (and we can really only say that for a few of them, the others are just sketchy). In fact, I feel worse about the fact that Kurotsuchi has a rival now, because it makes it seem like we should root for him or something. Like the Arrancar fight.
I laughed when they trivialised Yamamoto's death, I have always detested the horrible old fucker. My only rooting is for Ishida which will most likely be misplaced. I want to see him fuck shit up with shingami, Ichigo and the quincies. Why can't Ishida be hax?
Ishida's too busy knitting to take part in the Quincy's war. That and/or Kubo doesn't remember anyone but Ichigo, Aizen, Byakuya, and Hitsugaya have legitimate fighting abilities.
Ishida's too busy knitting to take part in the Quincy's war. That and/or Kubo doesn't remember anyone but Ichigo, Aizen, Byakuya, and Hitsugaya have legitimate fighting abilities.
I disagree. Anything post Yammy makes me think Byakuya's brain cells have degenerated or Kubo honestly forgot how the man fights.
Byakuya manages to get cut by Tsukishima (a human who should logically be slower in combat!), doesn't even try to use Kido to restrain his movements, and has to literally grab his blades to punch a hole through him. When he did try such a strategy against Ichigo, Renji, or Zommari?
And with As Nodt, Byakuya stands there like a gaping fish when his Bankai is stolen. No Kido, no flash-step, no….Shikai! A weaker form but he'd have the advantage because Quincies don't get a how-to guide when they take Bankais!
But compare with Ichigo, Renji, and Zommari, where Byakuya's reflexes are much more sharper and he's quick to act.
But compare with Ichigo, Renji, and Zommari, where Byakuya's reflexes are much more sharper and he's quick to act.
At least he got a tangible deterioration in abilities, Kenpachi just got a sudden defeat.