! The fact that early spoilers were specifically referring to Dofla, make me think there is something in the movie that makes it more obvious.
One Piece Film Z (Wrap Canon From the Manga Not Yet in the Anime with Spoiler Tags)
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! How about a very strong Pirate that joined Shichibukai long time ago? And then left not too long after that? If the film isn't canon, Z was a admiral and left Marine, then we can have a Shichibukai like that, too.
! Sure, assuming they thought "hey, let's just add a small reference to hype a non-existent, unnamed character, it makes for great storytelling and is so much better than using an actual, canon Shichibukai".
! It's what TheCrystalShip just said. The first spoiler said it's DoFlamingo. They get into different details, but don't contradict each other. -
! With all this Dofness we've been getting, I have a feeling the arc is next for sure ^
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Why do people think Doflamigo has a DF??
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Why do people think Doflamigo has a DF??
What makes you assume that he doesn't? :swanson:
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Why do people think Doflamigo has a DF??
Because he has the ability to control people, and cut off limbs with invisible wires….
Its pretty obvious he's a DF user -
! I'm not so sure it was a straight-up-fight. Doflo is probably the king of fighting dirty in the OP world. I could see him doing something like using Z's wife as a human shield during their fight, and gaining an advantage that way.
! What makes you say that?The things he did to WB commander or the way he cut Oars' leg?Nothing seemed dirty to me there.
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Why do people think Doflamigo has a DF??
Because it's obvious. Not only he controls people with invisible strings (with which he can cut), but he also controls them with the utmost easy. Unless you really believe that Doflamingo's fingers are so strong they can easily hold Jozu in one place.
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Because it's obvious. Not only he controls people with invisible strings (with which he can cut), but he also controls them with the utmost easy. Unless you really believe that Doflamingo's fingers are so strong they can easily hold Jozu in one place.
That's not realy concrete evidence ya know :P
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@No:
That's not realy concrete evidence ya know :P
you can say "It's not canon" but…
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@No:
That's not realy concrete evidence ya know :P
It's either that, or Doflamingo has the world's strongest fingers if can keep fucking Jozu from moving.
Anyone with common sense would be able to understand that, No Maam. As for the crazies who can't, well, I don't give a shit about them.
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It's either that, or Doflamingo has the world's strongest fingers if can keep fucking Jozu from moving.
Anyone with common sense would be able to understand that, No Maam.
I preffer not to jump the gun on Oda, because that's worked so well in the past :ninja:
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@No:
I preffer not to jump the gun on Oda, because that's worked so well in the past :ninja:
! Well… Considering one of the spoilers said Doflamingo, and that same spoiler (or another) said the Shichibukai had a Devil Fruit, it's pretty damn obvious (unless you're stupid) Doflamingo has a Devil Fruit.
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Why do people think Doflamigo has a DF??
Spoiler from a recent chapter in the manga:
! Momonosuke had a weird vision of Doflamingo out of the blue, and I doubt it has anything to do with normal ventriloquism.
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You guys still haven't proved that Doflamigo has a DF. Ok let's say Sanji wasn't on Luffy crew, we've never seen him and his a shichibukia then we see him for the first time and he does "hell memories" but didn't actually say it, we all gonna see Sanji on fire and start saying he has a DF bcuz it's impossible for someone's body to be on fire without getting burnt, this is exactly what's going on, people saying its impossible for Doflamigo to stop Jozu with just his fingers. Note: am not saying Doflamigo has or does not have a DF, all am saying is we still don't know.
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You guys still haven't proved that Doflamigo has a DF. Ok let's say Sanji wasn't on Luffy crew, we've never seen him and his a shichibukia then we see him for the first time and he does "hell memories" but didn't actually say it, we all gonna see Sanji on fire and start saying he has a DF bcuz it's impossible for someone's body to be on fire without getting burnt, this is exactly what's going on, people saying its impossible for Doflamigo to stop Jozu with just his fingers. Note: am not saying Doflamigo has or does not have a DF, all am saying is we still don't know.
The thing is, producing fire from nowhere is not an unique ability. There's plenty of characters that are able to do it through different means.
- Luffy
- Sanji
- Boa Sandersonia
- Hannyabal
- Heat, the Kid Pirate
- Usopp
- Franky
- Cabaji
- Fossa, the Whitebeard Pirate
- Kinemon
Doflamingo's ability is unique, though. Devil Fruit powers are supposed to be unique. Even Monet's abilities work very differently from Kuzan/Aokiji's abilities, despite the fact that both of them use, essentially, the same element.
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new trailer aired in the end of ep 572:
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You guys still haven't proved that Doflamigo has a DF.
But you haven't proved otherwise either. The chances of him having a DF are much higher than him not having one. But we can argue all day about this and either of us could be wrong until Oda reveals the fact. And I think the answer is coming in the neat future. It's something I've been wondering about since the first time I saw him so many years ago.
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@Chibi:
new trailer aired in the end of ep 572:
hoho loos awsome, I bet Kizaru sayig to Z "Come at me bro!"
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@Chibi:
new trailer aired in the end of ep 572:
Looks great. Can't wait to see this movie.
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Man, I can't decide who's more badass - Aokiji or Kizaru. I won't count Akainu because, even though he's also badass, he's a douchebag.
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You shouldnt be naturally able to fuck people up like Dofla does. Based on your logic, several people in the WB arent DF users ( Whitey Bay for example ) because their powers werent OFFICIAL. Same for the supernovas
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@Money:
You shouldnt be naturally able to fuck people up like Dofla does. Based on your logic, several people in the WB arent DF users ( Whitey Bay for example ) because their powers werent OFFICIAL. Same for the supernovas
The only alternative that would make sense is if
! ,like Ceaser Clown, there is a drug at work here that Doflamingo uses to screw with his opponent's mind, or it is some Vegapunk experiment of some kind. Even so, I'm leaning toward a Devil Fruit. We have seen so many abilities ranging from elemental to stealing shadows and raising the dead. The ability to control minds and/or bodies (or the "kokoro", aka the heart/mind, which controls everything in Asian spiritual views) is not so farfetched.
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It seems pretty clear cut to me.
! Doflamingo most likely has a Devil Fruit that lets him produce marionette strings to control people and he can additionally use them like razor wire. I believe this is the interpretation that the video games go with.
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Man, I can't decide who's more badass - Aokiji or Kizaru. I won't count Akainu because, even though he's also badass, he's a douchebag.
definitely kizaru
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in chapter 682 ago, Nami impersonated ninja.. is that some kind of a hint that she met a ninja before Strawhats arrived at PH?
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What???
Yeah, Nami met a ninja.
I've actually been thinking it would be cool if Ninjas were in this series, maybe in Wano.
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in chapter 682 ago, Nami impersonated ninja.. is that some kind of a hint that she met a ninja before Strawhats arrived at PH?
She had tea with Naruto and Sakura. Luffy then proceeded to eat all the rice crackers and beat the shit out of Naruto.
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What???
Yeah, Nami met a ninja.
I've actually been thinking it would be cool if Ninjas were in this series, maybe in Wano.
i mean, i heard that this movie is between FI and PH and i read some theory that said that this may/can be happen during the "white snake" thing when they leave the FI.
She had tea with Naruto and Sakura. Luffy then proceeded to eat all the rice crackers and beat the shit out of Naruto.
sound about right man..
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@Chibi:
new trailer aired in the end of ep 572:
Damn, Z blew Kizaru away.
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It could be canon. In the manga they arrive out of the water n the chapter ended. In the next chapter they are seen in a weird ocean THEN get the transmission, Film Z could have happen between these two chapters.
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She had tea with Naruto and Sakura. Luffy then proceeded to eat all the rice crackers and beat the shit out of Naruto.
Oh yeah, I remember that. Good times, good times.
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I tried to translate most of it, that's what I got.
It's more or less a sum of the first 30 minutes of the movie. Hope this is useful in some way.! Intro:
A group called "Neo Marine" led by Z breaks into a Marine's stronghold and snatches the so-called "Daina Rock".
Kizaru appears and says something like "It's been a long time, Zephyr-Sensei. Please put the Daina Rock down" just before attacking him.
Z says "I'm pretty sure I've already taught you not to rely too much on your light beams" and fights back.
The Rock that Z had stolen bursts into a island-wide explosion.
Kizaru does not get injured, while Z gets swallowed by the explosion and is drifted away.
! New setting, Rufy and friends are eating cherries from Franky's head. (wtf? ?)
Suddenly some volcanic ash falls from the sky and no sooner they noticed that something was strange than they find Z drifting in the sea.
Chopper examines Z and says that he just passed out but he's not suffering any serious injuries.
Chopper finds out that Z's right arm ("Smasher") is made out of sea stone, he thinks he might be an enemy but gives him medical aid anyway. After a while Z opens his eyes.
He familiarizes with them at first, but after Rufy calls himself a pirate he completely changes his attitude and damages the ship.
Rufy, Zoro and Sanji are about to attack him when the members of "Neo Marine" , that was searching for their missing leader, get into the fight.
There's a small fight between Vince (Binzu?) and Ain against Franky and Nami. Z grabs Rufy with his sea-stone arm. While Rufy says "I'll become the pirate king!" , Z leaves the ship and orders his subordinates
to shoot cannon balls to the Sunny. Sunny's "Coup de burst" saves them.
Z orders his men to go to a temple, in order to restore their youth.
Meanwhile, Marine Headquarters set up a metting to come up with a strategy to catch Z.
Admiral Akainu orders to a bunch of officers the complete annihilation of his former mentor.
Mugiwara's land on a near island to repair the ship. They split up. Robin, Usopp, Nami (and Chopper?) go to a bar to gather information about Z. Rufy,Sanji,Zoro e Brook go to a hot spring to have some rest, while Franky stays with the Sunny wanting ro reinforce its equipment.
In the hot spring, Rufy and friends are having fun, when suddenly an adult male voice coming from behind interrupts them. It's former-admiral Aokiji.
They're kind of annoyed by his presence, but Aokiji surprises them by saying that he has no intention to fight them.
They leave the spring, and they see Aokiji's artificial leg made of ice. They ask him why he had to fight Akainu? but he just answers "That's not a nice question to ask.."
! In the bar Nami hears some marines talking about the incident provoked by Z in that island. They leave the bar and run into Rufy that is being followed by some marines. He uses the Haki of the Conqueror. Only one official does not faint and he gives them more information about the ongoing war between Z and the Marine.! I see so Akainu did quite a number on one of his legs. Damn, I feel pretty bad for Aokiji. :(
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Hm seems like only the first 30mins are translated. Anybody find the rest. Also why no mention of ShiroKuma?
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@Money:
It could be canon. In the manga they arrive out of the water n the chapter ended. In the next chapter they are seen in a weird ocean THEN get the transmission, Film Z could have happen between these two chapters.
I can see the fish they catch is still there. If the Film is canon, it's impossible to happen between these 2 chapters..
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I can see the fish they catch is still there. If the Film is canon, it's impossible to happen between these 2 chapters..
it should happens between "Smoker discover Luffy doesn't go for Raijin Island" and "Robin, Zoro and Usopp chosen for go with Luffy"
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I went to the preview of film Z.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nlvjp1.jpg! @BlackLegEd:
! > why no mention of ShiroKuma?
! Several Shirokumas(PX-Z) were annihilated by General Franky and franky radical beam. In honest, I couldn't see the difference between PX and Px-Z except their appearances. -
I went to the preview of film Z.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nlvjp1.jpg! Several Shirokumas(PX-Z) were annihilated by General Franky and franky radical beam. In honest, I couldn't see the difference between PX and Px-Z except their appearances.
Lucky!!! how was it?
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I went to the preview of film Z.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nlvjp1.jpg! Several Shirokumas(PX-Z) were annihilated by General Franky and franky radical beam. In honest, I couldn't see the difference between PX and Px-Z except their appearances.
Are you the same person that posted the information about the Film in 2ch?
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Are you the same person that posted the information about the Film in 2ch?
Yeah, I posted it in 2ch. The movie was more exciting than Strong World.
I tries to translate the latter half of the spoiler.
! Aokiji meets straw hat pirates, and tells them about the background
of Z and what the End Point is. According to Aokiji, Z plans to end
the great pirate era by blasting the three End Points (huge magma reservoir)
in New World.
! The existence of End Points is known to people as fake.
Only high-ranking officials of World Government and Marine
know it is true.
! Garp tells Coby and Helmeppo about Z.
! Z's real name is Admiral "Black Arm" Zephr. His wife and child
were killed by a pirate. This made him add to hatred to pirates.
Afterward, very strong pirate (devil fruit user) cut his arm off
and annihilated his military units except Ein and Bins.
! When the pirate joined Shichibukai, Z was displeased at Government and
left Marine. Coby trembles at the power of the pirate who cut off arm of
admiral.
! Luffy confronts Z in the desert of the island, but he is
neutralized by a bullet of sea stone.
! Z picks the straw hat up and proposes to destoroy the straw hat
and great pirate era. Luffy naturally gets angry, but he is
knocked out by the strong attack such as smasher tornado.
Z destroys the End Point of this island.
! Aokiji meets the straw hat pirates and gives them the eternal
pose of the Period Island (last island).
! The straw hat pirates venture into the Period island changing
their costumes. Franky backs up. Luffy runs towrads Z in a bee-line.
Zoro and Sanji begin to fight against Ein and Binz.
! Luffy arrives at Z. Final battle begins. Luffy succeeds to destroy
smasher by indenting sea stone.(smasher consists of sea stone). Z's
sunglasses are falling from his face. Z begins to show a vivid face.
! Aokiji secretly watches the fight and says "Zephr-sensei is coming
back…"
! A fierce fight continues, but finally Z tumbles down running out of
physical strength because of his age.
! Luffy barely wins the fight, but Kizaru and about six vice-admirals,
who intend to exterminate Luffy and Z, conftont them.
Z volunteeers to prevent the enemies. Aokiji lets gigantic ice block
appear between Z and Luffy.
! Z thanks to Aokiji "Kuzan...you makes my place to die" and rushes
toward the Marines.
! Kizaru says "Farewell, Zephr-sensei", and mercilessly shoots Yasakani
no Magatama to Z. Z rushes to Kizaru shouting "Borsalinooooo!!".
Vice-admiral Doberman is crying quietly. Z suffers the damage of
Yasaakani no Magatama, but he keeps his feet.
! "I'll give you the last lesson!!"
! Straw hat pirates leave the island showing mixed feelings.
! Aokiji encourages Ein and Bins who are crying in front of the grave of Z.
! 【Last scene】 The name of Z derives from the "hero" that Z played in his
childhood.
! I'm sorry for my poor English. -
@sandman: Thanks for translating the spoiler. Oh, and don't worry, your English was good enough…
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What about the Nami/Chopper thing ?
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Yeah, I posted it in 2ch. The movie was more exciting than Strong World.
I tries to translate the latter half of the spoiler.
! Aokiji meets straw hat pirates, and tells them about the background
of Z and what the End Point is. According to Aokiji, Z plans to end
the great pirate era by blasting the three End Points (huge magma reservoir)
in New World.
! The existence of End Points is known to people as fake.
Only high-ranking officials of World Government and Marine
know it is true.
! Garp tells Coby and Helmeppo about Z.
! Z's real name is Admiral "Black Arm" Zephr. His wife and child
were killed by a pirate. This made him add to hatred to pirates.
Afterward, very strong pirate (devil fruit user) cut his arm off
and annihilated his military units except Ein and Bins.
! When the pirate joined Shichibukai, Z was displeased at Government and
left Marine. Coby trembles at the power of the pirate who cut off arm of
admiral.
! Luffy confronts Z in the desert of the island, but he is
neutralized by a bullet of sea stone.
! Z picks the straw hat up and proposes to destoroy the straw hat
and great pirate era. Luffy naturally gets angry, but he was
knocked out by the strong attack such as smasher tornado.
Z destroys the End Point of this island.
! Aokiji meets the straw hat pirates and gives them the eternal
pose of the Period Island (last island).
! The straw hat pirates venture into the Period island changing
their costumes. Franky backs up. Luffy runs towrads Z in a bee-line.
Zoro and Sanji begin to fight agains Ein and Binz.
! Luffy arrived at Z. Final battle begins. Luffy succeeds to destruct
smasher by indenting sea stone.(smasher consists of sea stone). Z's
sunglasses are falling from his face. Z begins to show a vivid face.
! Aokiji secretly watches the fight and says "Zephr-sensei is coming
back…"
! A fierce fight continues, but finally Z tumbles down running out of
physical strength because of his age.
! Luffy barely wins the fight, but Kizaru and about six vice-admirals,
who intend to exterminate Luffy and Z, conftont them.
Z volunteeers to prevent the enemies. Aokiji lets gigantic ice block
appear between Z and Luffy.
! Z thanks to Aokiji "Kuzan...you makes my place to die" and rushes
toward the Marines.
! Kizaru says "Farewell, Zephr-sensei", and mercilessly shoots Yasakani
no Magatama to Z. Z rushes to Kizaru shouting "Borsalinooooo!!".
Vice-admiral Doberman is crying quietly. Z suffers the damage of
Yasaakani no Magatama, but he keeps his feet.
! "I'll give you the last lesson!!"
! Straw hat pirates leave the island showing mixed feelings.
! Aokiji encourages Ein and Bins who are crying in front of the grave of Z.
! 【Last scene】 The name of Z derives from the "hero" that Z played in his
childhood.
! I'm sorry for my poor English.! So Doflamingo's name is never mentioned in the talk about the pirate who cut Z's arm off ?
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Yeah, I posted it in 2ch. The movie was more exciting than Strong World.
I tries to translate the latter half of the spoiler.
! Aokiji meets straw hat pirates, and tells them about the background
of Z and what the End Point is. According to Aokiji, Z plans to end
the great pirate era by blasting the three End Points (huge magma reservoir)
in New World.
! The existence of End Points is known to people as fake.
Only high-ranking officials of World Government and Marine
know it is true.
! Garp tells Coby and Helmeppo about Z.
! Z's real name is Admiral "Black Arm" Zephr. His wife and child
were killed by a pirate. This made him add to hatred to pirates.
Afterward, very strong pirate (devil fruit user) cut his arm off
and annihilated his military units except Ein and Bins.
! When the pirate joined Shichibukai, Z was displeased at Government and
left Marine. Coby trembles at the power of the pirate who cut off arm of
admiral.
! Luffy confronts Z in the desert of the island, but he is
neutralized by a bullet of sea stone.
! Z picks the straw hat up and proposes to destoroy the straw hat
and great pirate era. Luffy naturally gets angry, but he is
knocked out by the strong attack such as smasher tornado.
Z destroys the End Point of this island.
! Aokiji meets the straw hat pirates and gives them the eternal
pose of the Period Island (last island).
! The straw hat pirates venture into the Period island changing
their costumes. Franky backs up. Luffy runs towrads Z in a bee-line.
Zoro and Sanji begin to fight against Ein and Binz.
! Luffy arrives at Z. Final battle begins. Luffy succeeds to destroy
smasher by indenting sea stone.(smasher consists of sea stone). Z's
sunglasses are falling from his face. Z begins to show a vivid face.
! Aokiji secretly watches the fight and says "Zephr-sensei is coming
back…"
! A fierce fight continues, but finally Z tumbles down running out of
physical strength because of his age.
! Luffy barely wins the fight, but Kizaru and about six vice-admirals,
who intend to exterminate Luffy and Z, conftont them.
Z volunteeers to prevent the enemies. Aokiji lets gigantic ice block
appear between Z and Luffy.
! Z thanks to Aokiji "Kuzan...you makes my place to die" and rushes
toward the Marines.
! Kizaru says "Farewell, Zephr-sensei", and mercilessly shoots Yasakani
no Magatama to Z. Z rushes to Kizaru shouting "Borsalinooooo!!".
Vice-admiral Doberman is crying quietly. Z suffers the damage of
Yasaakani no Magatama, but he keeps his feet.
! "I'll give you the last lesson!!"
! Straw hat pirates leave the island showing mixed feelings.
! Aokiji encourages Ein and Bins who are crying in front of the grave of Z.
! 【Last scene】 The name of Z derives from the "hero" that Z played in his
childhood.
! I'm sorry for my poor English.!
DUDE. I just had a major nerdgasm reading all that. Hell fucking yeah this movie is sounding like it's going to be epic.
Thanks a million.
EDIT: Wasn't the gif a parody of you-know? Anyway, didn't think it was NSFW. Sorry about that.
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! Holy Crap, if Z had better aim and shot him in the head or heart, he would be dead now? Thats..wow.. this old man is a bad ass.
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holy shit, this movie sound so fucking awesome!! Can't wait to pirate this movie!!!
! I wonder if Aokiji will become the new captain of Neo Marines
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@No:
What about the Nami/Chopper thing ?
! Nami, Chopper and Robin were very cute.
! Nami, Chopper, Robin, and Brook are rejuvenated 12 years by the skill of modo-modo fruit. Each time Ein touches the enemy, the age of the enemy goes back 12 years. When the rejuvenated ages go over the real age, the enemy disappears from the world.
! When Zoro stuns Ein, they go back to the real age in peace.! So Doflamingo's name is never mentioned in the talk about the pirate who cut Z's arm off ?
Yeah. His name is never mentioned in the movie.
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Yeah, I posted it in 2ch. The movie was more exciting than Strong World.
I tries to translate the latter half of the spoiler.
! Aokiji meets straw hat pirates, and tells them about the background
of Z and what the End Point is. According to Aokiji, Z plans to end
the great pirate era by blasting the three End Points (huge magma reservoir)
in New World.
! The existence of End Points is known to people as fake.
Only high-ranking officials of World Government and Marine
know it is true.
! Garp tells Coby and Helmeppo about Z.
! Z's real name is Admiral "Black Arm" Zephr. His wife and child
were killed by a pirate. This made him add to hatred to pirates.
Afterward, very strong pirate (devil fruit user) cut his arm off
and annihilated his military units except Ein and Bins.
! When the pirate joined Shichibukai, Z was displeased at Government and
left Marine. Coby trembles at the power of the pirate who cut off arm of
admiral.
! Luffy confronts Z in the desert of the island, but he is
neutralized by a bullet of sea stone.
! Z picks the straw hat up and proposes to destoroy the straw hat
and great pirate era. Luffy naturally gets angry, but he is
knocked out by the strong attack such as smasher tornado.
Z destroys the End Point of this island.
! Aokiji meets the straw hat pirates and gives them the eternal
pose of the Period Island (last island).
! The straw hat pirates venture into the Period island changing
their costumes. Franky backs up. Luffy runs towrads Z in a bee-line.
Zoro and Sanji begin to fight against Ein and Binz.
! Luffy arrives at Z. Final battle begins. Luffy succeeds to destroy
smasher by indenting sea stone.(smasher consists of sea stone). Z's
sunglasses are falling from his face. Z begins to show a vivid face.
! Aokiji secretly watches the fight and says "Zephr-sensei is coming
back…"
! A fierce fight continues, but finally Z tumbles down running out of
physical strength because of his age.
! Luffy barely wins the fight, but Kizaru and about six vice-admirals,
who intend to exterminate Luffy and Z, conftont them.
Z volunteeers to prevent the enemies. Aokiji lets gigantic ice block
appear between Z and Luffy.
! Z thanks to Aokiji "Kuzan...you makes my place to die" and rushes
toward the Marines.
! Kizaru says "Farewell, Zephr-sensei", and mercilessly shoots Yasakani
no Magatama to Z. Z rushes to Kizaru shouting "Borsalinooooo!!".
Vice-admiral Doberman is crying quietly. Z suffers the damage of
Yasaakani no Magatama, but he keeps his feet.
! "I'll give you the last lesson!!"
! Straw hat pirates leave the island showing mixed feelings.
! Aokiji encourages Ein and Bins who are crying in front of the grave of Z.
! 【Last scene】 The name of Z derives from the "hero" that Z played in his
childhood.
! I'm sorry for my poor English.Many thanks!
! Dammit this is exciting. I'm more hyped than for Strong World. So many canon characters~~
! By the way, Doberman's in it? Will his eye be blank like in the manga or will they censor it here as well? -
! Nami, Chopper and Robin were very cute.
! Nami, Chopper, Robin, and Brook are rejuvenated 12 years by the skill of modo-modo fruit. Each time Ein touches the enemy, the age of the enemy goes back 12 years. When the rejuvenated ages go over the real age, the enemy disappears from the world.
! When Zoro stuns Ein, they go back to the real age in peace.How long does this last ?
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Many thanks!
! Dammit this is exciting. I'm more hyped than for Strong World. So many canon characters~~
! By the way, Doberman's in it? Will his eye be blank like in the manga or will they censor it here as well?That's a pretty minor thing to ask about you know :P