Pretty silly how some of the news stations are spinning this, CNN in particular said Obama was angry while Romney was cool-headed.
He even said he'd want Romney in his goddamn living room.
I'm pretty sure Romney wasn't "cool-headed", I could literally see his smile twisting like some horror movie doll.
@Monkey:
now it's over, obama won I'd say, romney wasn't up to the game
Yup. Obama was still a bit uncharismatic at the start but he really got into it as it progressed. Romney I suspect came off as agressive and jerkish what with all his shoutings at Candy and Obama.
To be fair to Lehrer, Romney did tell the guy part way through that he'd cut the subsidy to PBS.
My guess for the media 'narrative': "Obama ties the race!" third debate: "The presidency hangs in the balance!!!one!"
@Monkey:
This wasn't an embassy that was attacked, it was a consulate. These are by virtue less secure as there's simply less there etc. They handle simpler things and not really STATE SECRET SUPER DIPLOMACY, like issuing visas and so forth.
Not true, consulates grant VISAs. Trust me. I got a VISA for Israel from their Atlanta consulate. Which is a suite in an office building. An honorary consulate does not grant VISAs. I don't know what the one in Benghazi was.
CNN said that 46% think Obama won as opposed to 39% for Romney. They also put a "SO BASICALLY A DRAW" next to that because their poll has a 4.5% margin of error. I facepalmed real hard.
@cooldud_21:
Not true, consulates grant VISAs.
That's literally what I posted lol. Granting VISA's is smaller fry by far than the actual nitty gritty policy work that they keep ambassadors around for.
Trust me. I got a VISA for Israel from their Atlanta consulate. Which is a suite in an office building. An honorary consulate does not grant VISAs. I don't know what the one in Benghazi was.
Who said anything about an "honorary" consulate?
I'm not some inexperienced white suburbanite chatting up obscure processes and buildings that don't effect me directly cooldud. I am extremely involved in all this sort of thing right now and hating every second of it.
Five bucks say the media is going to spin it that Obama was too agressive and Romney was calm and dignified which is the exact opposite of how they were last debate where Obama was too quiet and Romney was confident and out-going. Just watch it happen.
Here is how Obama should handle the next debate and he'd blow Romney out
@Monkey:
That's literally what I posted lol. Granting VISA's is smaller fry by far than the actual nitty gritty policy work that they keep ambassadors around for.
Who said anything about an "honorary" consulate?
I'm not some inexperienced white suburbanite chatting up obscure processes and buildings that don't effect me directly cooldud. I am extremely involved in all this sort of thing right now and hating every second of it.
My apologies, your phrasing in the post I quoted earlier was confusing. Nevertheless, American lives were on the line, and in a warzone. That place needed beefed up security, and the fact that this attack happened was egg on the face. The 'wait and watch' approach that the administration took in reporting facts to the public didn't help their case. Not taking anything away from the fact that Romney's response WAS offensive.
Well, speaking broadly in as unbiased a tone as I can:
Mitt Romney, Republican. Favors reducing the size and scale of government, supports tax cuts as a way to grow the economy. Is pro-life and against gay marriage, favors increasing fossil fuel development. Supports free market principles over more government intervention in the economy.
Barack Obama, Democrat. Favors government spending, both as a way to grow the economy and deal with income inequality. Is Pro-choice and for (?) gay marriage. Wants to reduce dependence on fossil fuels through government subsidies for alternative energy sources. Supports government action and regulation as a way to curb market excesses.
(not going to touch foreign policy, since candidate differences there are far less clear and easy to put into a 3-line blurb)
Hope that helps. The Candidates each have their own websites too, which while biased, can give you a good idea of what sort of ideals they support.
@Monkey:
Guess I'll do foreign policy.
Mm…
Harder than I thought.
I've come to see it as non-partisan as a topic (Kissinger agrees lol). Outside of the right/left spectrum anyway, it has its own internal squabbles.I guess ..well, remember Bush? Romney has been taking in a lot of foreign policy advisors from the Bush era.
Obama has been playing a much more cautious FP hand, but not a wishy washy one either considering the two dead guys from last year (Osama, Gaddafi).
Romney doesn't think Obama has been "strong" enough.
I know this is really late but thank you guys! Gives me a much better idea of what's going on
And I saw this and thought some of you might like it
Google Image search for "completely wrong". 
I… just feel like sharing the greatest thing ever with you guys.
I'm amazed at how quickly that turned into a meme. The turnaround time couldn't've been more than ten minutes.
Anyway, whoever took this photo deserves an award.
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Some great image macros out of this election, if nothing else.
I… just feel like sharing the greatest thing ever with you guys.
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Brilliance. Right here. We have it.
I was just saying today how employers pressuring employees is the scummiest thing too lol.
When you get da mahney, then you get da powah. Then when you get da powah, then you get da bindas full of wimmen.
Romnesia. That's just perfect.
…did Obama just do a Jeff Foxworthy routine?
Complicating things since 2009.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.csp
I think I know what this is, but is the SLT notably conservative or something? It might not be…...might...
so i registered to vote wednesday. =)
I can't wait to forget Romney.
Though Romney will inevitably lose to Obama on November 6th, that's not the bets part. The best part is that Romney will be no more, thrown in the dumpster of the forgotten.
I'm tired of the extensive media coverage of this guy, feels like I'm watching a blooper reel at times.
Though Romney will inevitably lose to Obama on November 6th, that's not the bets part. The best part is that Romney will be no more, thrown in the dumpster of the forgotten.
I'm tired of the extensive media coverage of this guy, feels like I'm watching a blooper reel at times.
Well it's the same thing as Sarah Palin really.
@Monkey:
I think I know what this is, but is the SLT notably conservative or something? It might not be…...might...
Not sure entirely on their political direction, but Utah is the state known for Mormonism.
Granted, one's religious beliefs should never influence one's opinion for a President (not all Mormons are going to like Romney), but the fact that the state that celebrates his religion is turning to him and saying that his opponent deserves the win? He clearly doesn't have many allies in this run.
Isn't Obama behind in almost every poll. I don't know the precedents on these things but everyone here is still sounding like Obama will wipe the floor with him. I mean. Romney could win…
and then what
@Monkey:
I think I know what this is, but is the SLT notably conservative or something? It might not be…...might...
They actually endorsed Obama in 2008 as well; it's just that Romney can't even get the endorsement of a Mormon paper in a state that McCain won by almost 30%. Utah may well be the most Republican state in the entire country.
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Isn't Obama behind in almost every poll. I don't know the precedents on these things but everyone here is still sounding like Obama will wipe the floor with him. I mean. Romney could win…
and then what
Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight blog keeps track of polls across the board and gives Obama about a 68% chance of winning the election. There are only two polls where Obama trails and one of them is Rasmussen, which always has a Republican bias, and the Gallup tracking poll, which is so far afield from the other polls that everybody is tossing it out as an outlier.
well i feel better about voting for Colbert now
I don't know if anyone cares, but how about the other candidates for the other parties? From what I gather, the American Independent Party is the Jesus Party, the Green Party is the Save-the-Planet Party, the Libertarian Party is the Small-Government Party, and the Peace-and-Freedom Party is the Socialist Party. I'm not sure how truthful the candidates and worthy they are compared to Mitt and Barack. The campaign messages for the other parties is the same: Don't follow the Democrats or Republicans.
I think I like the Greens the best, since environmental destruction is a pretty huge thing for me. In addition, it's pro-feminist, anti-war, and anti-big-business. I'm okay with a government that's big as long as power is actually fairly distributed and everyone gets a voice. But then again, I may be viewing it as a Utopian government that ultimately will become corrupt and self-serving, similarly to the Demos and Reps.
Isn't Obama behind in almost every poll. I don't know the precedents on these things but everyone here is still sounding like Obama will wipe the floor with him. I mean. Romney could win…
Obama is ahead by a pretty healthy margin almost everywhere, but its a better story if the race is really close, or if the underdog is ahead. Neither the people funding money into the party or the news stations benefit from three months of "And Obama is still ahead by 20-30%". So some news is reporting or biases their polls with heavy republican samples. Anywhere with actual reporting Obama's pretty far in the lead.
I don't know if anyone cares, but how about the other candidates for the other parties?
Third party is a nice idea but there's just no backing for it, in terms of money or voter count. It'll never happen, not without a HUGELY popular candidate dark horsing, and even then they historically can't get more than say, 7% of the vote and mostly just ruining the chances for the party they were closer to by stealing votes.
The ONLY way way voting for a third party will accomplish anything is if a very large number of third party supporters all decide its REALLY important to them to the point they move to a single state which gives them a large voting block (similar to Mormans in Utah) and at that point they could get a single small state to go in a third party direction, but no one has unified enough people to be cool with that idea to go through with the expense. But.. politics don't carry people as strongly as religion, so…
In the next decade or two the republican party as it is, is going to split or change radically, especially if they lose a couple elections in a row, but...
well i feel better about voting for Colbert now
What state are you in? Are you in a swing state? If so don't do this.
I don't know if anyone cares, but how about the other candidates for the other parties? From what I gather, the American Independent Party is the Jesus Party, the Green Party is the Save-the-Planet Party, the Libertarian Party is the Small-Government Party, and the Peace-and-Freedom Party is the Socialist Party. I'm not sure how truthful the candidates and worthy they are compared to Mitt and Barack. The campaign messages for the other parties is the same: Don't follow the Democrats or Republicans.
I think I like the Greens the best, since environmental destruction is a pretty huge thing for me. In addition, it's pro-feminist, anti-war, and anti-big-business. I'm okay with a government that's big as long as power is actually fairly distributed and everyone gets a voice. But then again, I may be viewing it as a Utopian government that ultimately will become corrupt and self-serving, similarly to the Demos and Reps.
They a little debate too that no one really noticed
also i'm in PA which isn't really a purpleish state. Dems on the east and west Reps in the middle but Obama probably has it.
They a little debate too that no one really noticed
also i'm in PA which isn't really a purpleish state. Dems on the east and west Reps in the middle but Obama probably has it.
Don't assume, PA isn't quite safe enough. It's not like CT for instance.
I live in Texas! Does my vote matter at all?
sarcasm
They a little debate too that no one really noticed
also i'm in PA which isn't really a purpleish state. Dems on the east and west Reps in the middle but Obama probably has it.
Jill Stein? Wasn't she arrested very recently?
Russia today russia today russia today
I'm aware of how bad Russia Today is, but it's just footage sown through their network . It's not their take on the issue at least.
lol, just saw a political ad from Linda McMahon showing a bunch of people proudly claiming "That's why I'm voting for Obama and McMahon!".
Welcome to Connecticut lol.
I think she was arrested for trying to get into the presidential debate
The latest polls are pretty scary… Obama's still ahead in the swing states but it seems like this will be a photo finish.
Nah I think pollsters close to the democrats are making those polls to not let their voters slack off, so they stay focused and mobilized untill d-day. It's a neat strategy.
I think Obama has this in his pocket unless something really unexpected happens, but seeing how Obama campaigned last election, I think he's a campaign-master, he never makes any mistakes; really I was awestruck of his last presidential campaign, he didn't make one mistake, turned the negative things into a positive and did that for the whole 2 years or so since his campaign started (democratic primaries 2008), in comparison Romney is small fry.
The only thing that keeps Romney floating, I think, is the ridiculous amounts of money he gets. I don't even know why these rich bankers think he got a chance.
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Nah I think pollsters close to the democrats are making those polls to not let their voters slack off, so they stay focused and mobilized untill d-day. It's a neat strategy.
I think Obama has this in his pocket unless something really unexpected happens, but seeing how Obama campaigned last election, I think he's a campaign-master, he never makes any mistakes; really I was awestruck of his last presidential campaign, he didn't make one mistake, turned the negative things into a positive and did that for the whole 2 years or so since his campaign started (democratic primaries 2008), in comparison Romney is small fry.
The only thing that keeps Romney floating, I think, is the ridiculous amounts of money he gets. I don't even know why these rich bankers think he got a chance.
It really is pathetic, isn't? MAYBE IF WE MAIL HIM MORE MILLIONS HE WILL BE WINNER GUY
Just… just stop. Accept fate. Or maybe they're divesting themselves of their cash in anticipation of Obama's rich people concentration camps
The foreign policy debate is today, and Romney is screwed. Romney's answer to the the Libya question last debate foreshadowed his Achilles heel.
This won't end well for him. This could get ugly.
How much money do we have to pay to get Zephos in there as debate moderator?
^
Although it's from Forbes, I don't really know the credibility of this report:
"Romney Family Investment Ties To Voting Machine Company That Could Decide The Election"
Two more weeks until elections are over. I'm both relieved and terrified.
I'm glad there is so much reassurance on this thread, but man, I have doubt. I already voted with the rest of my family, so my part is done.
This just needs to end…
If by some miracle Romney wins, he has no charisma anyway–nobody on the right is crazy about him, either--so he'd be able to do even less than a president is normally can
@RobbyBevard:
How much money do we have to pay to get Zephos in there as debate moderator?
I'm not even gonna see it because I have a night class I can't miss ;_____________;
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If by some miracle Romney wins, he has no charisma anyway–nobody on the right is crazy about him, either--so he'd be able to do even less than a president is normally can
Yeah everyone will hate him lol.
