Was it ever stated that clima-tact lightning is just the same as natural lightning ?
Chopper's forms
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Why does Gold Roger's crew look like a bunch of generic thugs for pirates
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Because pirates in all ages are generally a bunch of generic thugs who steal, murder and rape to acquire riches
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why didn't whitebeard use haushoko in the marineford war?considering the number of marines,it's not like it was not needed.was it because the marine of hq are so strong that it wouldn't affect them?that's flawed because many marine fell unconscious when luffy used it unknowingly.personally,i think it because oda didn't wanted to show it,and can be considered a plot hole.
that which cannot be stopped:inherited will,a man's dream,and the flow of time.as long as man continues to seek out the answer to freedom,these things shall never be stopped.-PK Gol D. Roger
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why didn't whitebeard use haushoko in the marineford war?considering the number of marines,it's not like it was not needed.was it because the marine of hq are so strong that it wouldn't affect them?that's flawed because many marine fell unconscious when luffy used it unknowingly.personally,i think it because oda didn't wanted to show it,and can be considered a plot hole.
I think it has got to do with the fact that he was sick and could not use Haki as he wanted anymore, him not being able to hit the Admirals and the situation with Squardo showcase that pretty well.
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I think it has got to do with the fact that he was sick and could not use Haki as he wanted anymore, him not being able to hit the Admirals and the situation with Squardo showcase that pretty well.
that could be the case,but i find it hard to believe.i don't think haushoko depends on physical well-being,given that ace,luffy and possibly shanks used it when they all were injured.
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that could be the case,but i find it hard to believe.i don't think haushoko depends on physical well-being,given that ace,luffy and possibly shanks used it when they all were injured.
Ah butt being injured is different. While they may have been injured, thier hearts and lungs were still in good condition. We saw with Whitebeard that it wasn't so with him. He was using oxygen tubes before the war, that suggests he wasn't getting the propper ammount of oxygen on his own. Plus we saw him grab his chest (above the heart) at one point in pain.
I am not saying that is what happened, (though its possible). I am saying that having a lack of oxygen and a weak heart causes problem totally different than physical injuries. After all while Shank's may have lost an arm and was loosing blood when he chased off the Lord of the Coast, his brain was still getting the vital oxygen and his heart able to pump.
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luffy was barely alive,badly poisoned by magellan in impel down yet he still was able to use some extent of haushoko.i think i can safely assume his body wasn't getting oxygen properly either,with all his organs being poisoned and almost frozen.seriously,he was screwed.and whitebeard could have used haushoko at the beginning,when he first arrived and was relatively in a better physical condition,when all of their allies were trying to gain entry to the plaza.that's when they needed it the most.i can't think of any good reason why he didn't use coc.
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luffy was barely alive,badly poisoned by magellan in impel down yet he still was able to use some extent of haushoko.i think i can safely assume his body wasn't getting oxygen properly either,with all his organs being poisoned and almost frozen.seriously,he was screwed.and whitebeard could have used haushoko at the beginning,when he first arrived and was relatively in a better physical condition,when all of their allies were trying to gain entry to the plaza.that's when they needed it the most.i can't think of any good reason why he didn't use coc.
He had I-forgot-I-can-use-this-ability-disease.
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My opinion is that WB wasn't very proficient in using his CoC, or that he thought his CoC wasn't strong enough.
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We can theorize all we want, but it comes down to reality= writer's choice of making a big fight with a lot of opposition or have a character dominate the fight and get rid of a lot of opposition. A writer usually looks at the plot, what he wants to happen then decide what will go that way while still giving the max of visual impact.
Esp when he could have planned for Whitebeard to die before the war was written. Its been said that Oda knew when he introduced Ace that he was going to kill him off, so maybe Whitebeard was in same boat.
If Whitebeard did use that haki, he could have taken out a lot of marines. Then what? Oda already planned to kill Ace, havign more marines (even fi they were cannon-fodder) would make a bigger visual impact, than having half that number. -
We can theorize all we want, but it comes down to reality= writer's choice of making a big fight with a lot of opposition or have a character dominate the fight and get rid of a lot of opposition. A writer usually looks at the plot, what he wants to happen then decide what will go that way while still giving the max of visual impact.
Esp when he could have planned for Whitebeard to die before the war was written. Its been said that Oda knew when he introduced Ace that he was going to kill him off, so maybe Whitebeard was in same boat.
If Whitebeard did use that haki, he could have taken out a lot of marines. Then what? Oda already planned to kill Ace, havign more marines (even fi they were cannon-fodder) would make a bigger visual impact, than having half that number.i agree with you,but story wise it doesen't make sense.of course whitebeard using coc would change the dynamic of the war.but i consider it very weird and a plot hole.
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i agree with you,but story wise it doesen't make sense.of course whitebeard using coc would change the dynamic of the war.but i consider it very weird and a plot hole.
One thing that made me think of the 'Writer's Choice' is a recent episode of Mythbusters that took on the end scene of Jack & Rose in Titanic. They were able to prove that Jack could have survived if he climbed up on the headboard Rose was on. James & Adam took one of the period lifejackets they used and tied under the board and both were able to get on.
When they told Cameron of the findings, he told them they've forgottent he most important thing …the story called for Jack to die. Oda said when he first introduced that Ace would die. If Whitebeard was at full strenght, that make Ace's death even more difficult to acchieve.
Personally I wanted Whitebeard to glare and and have many marines fall, but I accept the stroy called for both Whitebeard and Ace to die.
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One thing that made me think of the 'Writer's Choice' is a recent episode of Mythbusters that took on the end scene of Jack & Rose in Titanic. They were able to prove that Jack could have survived if he climbed up on the headboard Rose was on. James & Adam took one of the period lifejackets they used and tied under the board and both were able to get on.
When they told Cameron of the findings, he told them they've forgottent he most important thing …the story called for Jack to die. Oda said when he first introduced that Ace would die. If Whitebeard was at full strenght, that make Ace's death even more difficult to acchieve.
Personally I wanted Whitebeard to glare and and have many marines fall, but I accept the stroy called for both Whitebeard and Ace to die.
Difficult, but not impossible. It's weird that it was said during the war that WB had CoC but he didn't use it at all. He didn't even try to use it. I'd say Oda could always make something up. At least a few panels where he tries but failed or where he would think that it wouldn't work or something. Nope, none.
Now Cameron could've said that in his defence, but most of us would say that it's an awful excuse. If were him, I would say that in a situation like that not all people could think well. I think that's a better explanation.
So, saying that WB didn't use CoC just because that would make Ace still alive right now is not acceptable for many of us.
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I believe it was implied that White Beard was about to use CoC right before Luffy did but because of his health he couldn't concentrate and unleash it. We do know from Satori that to use CoO one does need to concentrate so its not unheard of in at least one form of Haki.
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Difficult, but not impossible. It's weird that it was said during the war that WB had CoC but he didn't use it at all. He didn't even try to use it. I'd say Oda could always make something up. At least a few panels where he tries but failed or where he would think that it wouldn't work or something. Nope, none.
Now Cameron could've said that in his defence, but most of us would say that it's an awful excuse. If were him, I would say that in a situation like that not all people could think well. I think that's a better explanation.
So, saying that WB didn't use CoC just because that would make Ace still alive right now is not acceptable for many of us.
i agree.
but still,we can consider that due to old age,and whitebeard not being very proficient with coc and/or having a comparatively weak coc,he didn't use coc.but it is still unclear.we still don't know much about haki,so there could be a genuine reason.or oda messed up and is now thinking of some cover up(which will be presented to us as a genuine reason.) -
Interesting, in the RAW WB said "ムダだ それをおれが 止められねェ とでも．．． ゴフ" Personally, it's hard for me to understand fully what he meant, because of the particles "to de mo" (especially the 'to'). The line is open for interpretations.
The first interpretation, it goes in the line of "It's no use, even if I can't stop that… Guh!" (Japanese masters please correct me). It implies: 1) He thought he couldn't do anything to stop Ace's execution, but... 2) He believed someone else should be able to.
OR, it could also mean "It's no use, even if you say I can't stop it... Guh!" Which means he had full confidence that he could do it regardless what the opposite party said. This can mean he was going to do something, perhaps his gura gura power but it could also be his CoC, but then his body failed him.
Either way, he could've had used his CoC earlier to ease his crew and allies like Luffy did with fishmen pirates.
But let's wait until we are given more information.
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why didn't whitebeard use haushoko in the marineford war?considering the number of marines,it's not like it was not needed.was it because the marine of hq are so strong that it wouldn't affect them?that's flawed because many marine fell unconscious when luffy used it unknowingly.personally,i think it because oda didn't wanted to show it,and can be considered a plot hole.
Because it would be useless. At the start of the war the marines had many top tiers who surely wouldn't have fallen.(CC,Admirals,Garp,Vice-Admirals) and it would have been an invitation for the other part to do so. And with the fact of being in enemy territory with a exellent strategist at the other side it isn't the moment for taking such chance.After that he only battled top tiers opponents. The only moment it would have been useful was when was was about to be executed and he suddenly felt bad.
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two things 1) Who is the supreme king/ conquerer? or is it king in name only. 2) What do you think, FI like after the war? and how do you think the SN made it through?
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Because it would be useless. At the start of the war the marines had many top tiers who surely wouldn't have fallen.(CC,Admirals,Garp,Vice-Admirals) and it would have been an invitation for the other part to do so. And with the fact of being in enemy territory with a exellent strategist at the other side it isn't the moment for taking such chance.After that he only battled top tiers opponents. The only moment it would have been useful was when was was about to be executed and he suddenly felt bad.
There's nothing useless in war if it could reduce the enemy's number even if it's just a little. I suppose even if the marines were mostly elites, there were still some who were affected by CoC (as shown when Luffy used it). They could be cannon engineers, other support personnel, and even some combatants. If from the 100.000 marines WB could take out even less than 10.000, that would still be helpful.
Even if the marines used CoC (which I see no reason why they should suddenly be inspired to use it if they didn't think of it in the first place), that would make the war more interesting for us readers (well, it would make the story dull when Luffy uses it). We weren't shown anybody but Luffy used CoC though, and when he did people were shown to be shocked. This might indicate that even though few people in the war may have had possessed it, they weren't really proficient in it as to use it properly in the war, or even to use it at all. CoC isn't as common as any other haki (which is quite rare already), so it's possible that to be proficient in it is also very hard and rare, unless one has a teacher that's a master of CoC like Luffy.
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Because it would be useless. At the start of the war the marines had many top tiers who surely wouldn't have fallen.(CC,Admirals,Garp,Vice-Admirals) and it would have been an invitation for the other part to do so. And with the fact of being in enemy territory with a exellent strategist at the other side it isn't the moment for taking such chance.After that he only battled top tiers opponents. The only moment it would have been useful was when was was about to be executed and he suddenly felt bad.
are you forgetting the large amount of allies whitebeard had?the war was not fought just among the top-tiers.how can you say that the marines just had top-tiers?can you not see the large number of other marines?if he used coc on the large no. of lesser ranked marines,his allies would have moved easily forward.also,how in the world can you say that the marines have coc?i very much doubt that.all the people were shocked at seeing coc.who would it be that has coc in the marines?strategically,the best time to use coc would be anytime.even assuming marines had coc,i doubt that it would be of equal or greater strenght than the strongest man in the world(whitebeard). thus,the fact of the marines having a brilliant strategist does not matter.
and finally,even if whitebeard planned to use haki was at the time of execution(which sounds incredibly stupid to me),saying he couldn't because of bad health doesn't sounds convincing to me.as i have said before,luffy used coc in impel down when he was badly poisoned,frozen and having only a little bit of consciuosness.are you saying he was better off at the time than whitebeard in the war?
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Talking about Whitebeard, why didn't he attack Impel Down? Fighting Magellan + Marine reinforcements seems much easier that fighting a gazillion of marines + Pacifistas + Admirals + Shichibukai.
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Talking about Whitebeard, why didn't he attack Impel Down? Fighting Magellan + Marine reinforcements seems much easier that fighting a gazillion of marines + Pacifistas + Admirals + Shichibukai.
Just a few guesses:
1) He didn't know that Ace got captured until it was broadcasted, which was a few days before the war (I think there was a 5 day gap?). Luffy was at Amazone Lily, and he was pressed for time. Assuming that Whitebeard was in the New World back then, he had to prepare a force that could deal with the penetration of Impel Down, Magellan and any reinforcements. Marineford isn't far away after all, so he would (at least) have the Admirals on his ass, even if he managed to free Ace. Sounds like a shitty plan to me. Instead he decided to take another day to gather all his allies we have seen at the war, which are all New World veterans. So apart from preparing his own fleet, which consisted of 16 divisons, 43 (!!!) other ships needed to be coated and made combat-ready. They needed to take the Fishmen Island route after all.
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The gates of justice are inpenetrable, similar to the special encircling walls at Marineford, maybe even stronger. Even Whitebeards quakes wouldn't harm them.3)
He is fucking Whitebeard. He doesn't take the backdoor.I'm going with 3.
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One piece geography is sometimes fucked up, but if he managed to reach Marineford, he should be able to reach Impel Down (using coating for example). Just the Whitebeard crew should be enough to quickly defeat Magellan, rescue Ace and escape, before the admirals react. I think news of Ace's execution were in the newspaper a week before that, and he is not so stupid to not be able to figure out that Ace is in Impel Down.
I suggest another theory:
- Sabo made him attack Marineford.
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Isn't Impel Down located in the Calm Belt? Even Whitebeard doesn't have the ship technology that the Marines use to navigate through it. Plus, they didn't know about Level 6, which means they would most likely waste a lot of time searching for Ace in the wrong level.
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Isn't Impel Down located in the Calm Belt? Even Whitebeard doesn't have the ship technology that the Marines use to navigate through it. Plus, they didn't know about Level 6, which means they would most likely waste a lot of time searching for Ace in the wrong level.
Pretty sure that Whitebeard can just straight-up kill Sea Kings, like Rayleigh. From a writing standpoint, having the battle happen at the big bad headquarters, just makes "more sense". From an in-universe standpoint, you could say that a battle at ID would have forced both armies into close-quarters combat and freed all of the prisoners, making a mess of things.
Also, did Krieg and his crew go over Reverse Mountain, or… What?
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Plus Whitebeard didn't know he doesn't know about Level 6. Like the TheCrystalShip said, if Rayleigh can swim through the Calm Belt, why can't Whitebeard's ship pass?
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Swimming alone with having a fleet sails with you is a whole different thing. WB could use his gura gura inside water of course, but then what, the fleet would be affected too. A little mistake and the coating of the ships would be broken.
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Swimming alone with having a fleet sails with you is a whole different thing. WB could use his gura gura inside water of course, but then what, the fleet would be affected too. A little mistake and the coating of the ships would be broken.
Маybe using a small ship with just Whitebeard + 14 commanders will be enough. Like a gorilla operation, not a war.
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Sengoku threw the gauntlet with the public execution - he openly challenged Whitebeard.
There is no way that the strongest man in the world would "chicken out" and simply invade Impel Down.
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i think because of the waves that connect the 3 WG establishments???? that only the WG ships can navigate freely…so if whitebeard and just his crew tried to free ace....they would get ambushed by the other forces from impel down and marineford...which could be using WG ships that can travel and reach faster than whitebeard and his crew can escape...whether or not they succeeded in saving ace there...
i think the admirals can reach it faster since logias can fly if i remember right.
so maybe whitebeard thought he would just take a gamble and face the whole army head on with his own full army.
and maybe because of some rivalry that needed to be settled....maybe its not saving ace as a whole...also pride and respect for rivals (sengoku and whiteberd) a defining win over the other side perhaps?
and yeah, i agree with Jabra, he is whitebeard so he wont take the backdoor.
he even died standing and without turning his back from the enemy,...he doesnt want to put a blemish on his reputation and his jolly roger----literally and figuratively.
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There's nothing useless in war if it could reduce the enemy's number even if it's just a little. I suppose even if the marines were mostly elites, there were still some who were affected by CoC (as shown when Luffy used it). They could be cannon engineers, other support personnel, and even some combatants. If from the 100.000 marines WB could take out even less than 10.000, that would still be helpful.
Even if the marines used CoC (which I see no reason why they should suddenly be inspired to use it if they didn't think of it in the first place), that would make the war more interesting for us readers (well, it would make the story dull when Luffy uses it). We weren't shown anybody but Luffy used CoC though, and when he did people were shown to be shocked. This might indicate that even though few people in the war may have had possessed it, they weren't really proficient in it as to use it properly in the war, or even to use it at all. CoC isn't as common as any other haki (which is quite rare already), so it's possible that to be proficient in it is also very hard and rare, unless one has a teacher that's a master of CoC like Luffy.
I'm pretty sure the post of fleet admiral and the title of hero of the marines are 2 good reasons to have it. Marines don't use it because they are here to entertain the world and show them the power of the entire marine force. And in the middle of the middle of the battle Whitebeard was rather busy and both army were mixed making it harder to avoid his allies.
P.S:I'm sure this question deserve a thread.
For Imperel down in my opinion Whitebeard was
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2-couldn't pass the gates
3-couldn't navigate in the calm belt
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If Rayleigh could navigate in the Clam Belt while swimming, I can't see why Whitebeard can't do it.
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If Rayleigh could navigate in the Clam Belt while swimming, I can't see why Whitebeard can't do it.
because he is sick and got a weak heart and rayleigh isnt?
and because he is a hammer?
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because he is sick and got a weak heart and rayleigh isnt?
and because he is a hammer?
I didn't mean swimming. The Whitebeard crew must have an excellent navigator.
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Just a few guesses:
1) He didn't know that Ace got captured until it was broadcasted, which was a few days before the war (I think there was a 5 day gap?). Luffy was at Amazone Lily, and he was pressed for time. Assuming that Whitebeard was in the New World back then, he had to prepare a force that could deal with the penetration of Impel Down, Magellan and any reinforcements. Marineford isn't far away after all, so he would (at least) have the Admirals on his ass, even if he managed to free Ace. Sounds like a shitty plan to me. Instead he decided to take another day to gather all his allies we have seen at the war, which are all New World veterans. So apart from preparing his own fleet, which consisted of 16 divisons, 43 (!!!) other ships needed to be coated and made combat-ready. They needed to take the Fishmen Island route after all.
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The gates of justice are inpenetrable, similar to the special encircling walls at Marineford, maybe even stronger. Even Whitebeards quakes wouldn't harm them.3)
He is fucking Whitebeard. He doesn't take the backdoor.I'm going with 3.
i agree with 3.after all,how could he let the marines get away for hurting his nakama!
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I didn't mean swimming. The Whitebeard crew must have an excellent navigator.
That's not the point. There are no wind and sea currents in the Calm Belt, which means sailing through it (on the surface or underwater) is impossible unless the ship is motorized (exclusive to Marine Battleships) or has paddles (the main Moby Dick didn't have those).
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I never said they have to use the Moby Dick.
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whether whitebeard uses a submarine or a coated small ship or coated moby dick….he would still have problems navigating the currents that flow in WG territory (only nami was able to do so)
and i think they would get ambushed easier if ever. and it will be harder for them to escape because of the said currents.
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quick question:
Has it ever been confirmed that Luffy's blackening is related to vulcanization? (just curious)Nope. Pretty much the opposite, actually. The most recent chapters prove that blackening isn't exclusive to Luffy.
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boats need water current.Calm belt doesn't have any. Anyway he can't pass the gate and probably didn't have enough time.
That black ship that came up last in the war was a paddleboat. It didnt' need water currents just like the Marine ships that crossed the calm belts didn't need it, they had paddles to move them.
I would say that its 'they didn't have enough time' … but I agree with the person who sayd "he's fuckign Whitebeard" he's not going the gureilla way of sending a small strikeforce, he hit the marines head on
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quick question:
Has it ever been confirmed that Luffy's blackening is related to vulcanization? (just curious)Related only in aesthetics. But since Luffy is the only on rubber man, he is the only one who can conveniently call his blackening haki vulcanization.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Nope. Pretty much the opposite, actually. The most recent chapters prove that blackening isn't exclusive to Luffy.
I was thinking as such but wasn't sure (haven't been doing much browsing on AP lately :sad:). What I was really wondering was whether Luffy (or anyone in OP) has even mentioned it as vulcanization
Related only in aesthetics. But since Luffy is the only on rubber man, he is the only one who can conveniently call his blackening haki vulcanization.
but has he called it vulcanization? or was this just a conclusion/consensus reached by AP?
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why didn't whitebeard use haushoko in the marineford war?considering the number of marines,it's not like it was not needed.was it because the marine of hq are so strong that it wouldn't affect them?that's flawed because many marine fell unconscious when luffy used it unknowingly.personally,i think it because oda didn't wanted to show it,and can be considered a plot hole.
Haoushoku doesn't seem to be a controlled, targeted blast generally. And as Shanks showed us, there are plenty of members of WB's crew who can't withstand it. That scene with Shanks also has Marco implying that going below deck would prevent it from working, which implies there is a limited range, or possibly that it can't go through walls or that people have to be within sight for it to work.
If he were to use it, especially if he did it while closer to his forces than the enemy's, there's a good chance his crew would be weakened just as much, if not more, than the enemy's.
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Haoushoku doesn't seem to be a controlled, targeted blast generally. And as Shanks showed us, there are plenty of members of WB's crew who can't withstand it. That scene with Shanks also has Marco implying that going below deck would prevent it from working, which implies there is a limited range, or possibly that it can't go through walls or that people have to be within sight for it to work.
If he were to use it, especially if he did it while closer to his forces than the enemy's, there's a good chance his crew would be weakened just as much, if not more, than the enemy's.
It CAN be applied only to certain people, actually.
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I was thinking as such but wasn't sure (haven't been doing much browsing on AP lately :sad:). What I was really wondering was whether Luffy (or anyone in OP) has even mentioned it as vulcanization
but has he called it vulcanization? or was this just a conclusion/consensus reached by AP?
Luffy actually used that word. It was a fan suggestion for years and it actually happened.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Luffy actually used that word. It was a fan suggestion for years and it actually happened.
Well, I dont think its actually special to Luffy, considering Smoker just did the same exact thing 2 chapters ago.
