Remind me not to ever read Toriko's spoilers anymore.
This scene would be that much more shocking if I hadn't been expecting and anticipating it since yesterday.Normally,reading a few spoilers doesn't ruin much for Toriko,but this time,oh God.
Remind me not to ever read Toriko's spoilers anymore.
This scene would be that much more shocking if I hadn't been expecting and anticipating it since yesterday.Normally,reading a few spoilers doesn't ruin much for Toriko,but this time,oh God.
@Thousand:
Yaawwwn, not very impressed by the "shocking" image at all. I was expecting something way more graphic and mind-blowing. Instead, with all that fruit, it just looks goofy. "But it's more powerful because it's left to your imagination!" bla bla. I've heard the argument and I agree with it somewhat that it's true in certain scenes but here, the fruit salad could have at least had a little more blood (or any). I kept hearing people going about a truly mind-boggling, shocking, breath-taking scene and all I could think was "That's it?". Weeeeeeak. I've seen worse in other manga. Hell I've seen worse in the same manga like that guy who was completely deskinned and we saw his rib-cage in the shadow. Got way more of a reaction from me. It also doesn't help that Teppei is a pretty bland character that I don't really care about.
Really guys, it's just his head in a salad bowl, no big deal. Call me jaded or heartless but I just don't care. Maybe if we actually got to know Teppei as a character…?
This entire arc has been another massive disappointment of wasted potential.
Well, seeing as ur the first one to say that among lots of other people liking it. I guess we must assume ur taste is different than the majority, and we'll leave it at that.
Although I don't agree about the salad bowl needing any blood. It was supposed to be a dish, and a regal one judging by the overall surroundings (with the wine and stuff). So I think Shima did the right thing keeping it clean from any blood and other gorish elements
holy shit !
THIS. Oh my god, Jirou is gonna rape that man. Thanks god i don't read spoilers, this scene's execution was perfect.
Dayum that was well done.
The oppulence of this scene points in the direction of Joa's group, who, as you recall, are all extremely rich and arrogant. One of them, Mokkoi, had no problem with sacrificing tons of hunters to Ice Hell in order to get a bowl of soup. I'm certain of course that Joa is just manipulating them, but who knows to what ends?
Also, this death makes me wonder of there will be a race for Acacia'a Appetizer soon?
One of the most shocking and unexpected scenes i ever seen in a longg time!
All I could think of was "why leave the hair?" but the head is just there for decoration, or to eat the brain, after cracking it open.
It is grimm, but now how we will know how he died? unless the basket is already at Jiro's house.
I feel bad for Teppei.
Not really because he seems to be dead, though thats a bummer, but more because I feel the author screwed him over. I mean, we've barely seen the guy since Ice hell, and suddenly "Oh, suddenly Teppei is in this arc? Hi Teppei! Oh, he got killed? Bye Teppei!".
It feels very Jiraya-esque to me, though Jiraya did have way more paneltime, and a long pre-retirenment fight where he gave his all. With Teppei…the imagery is effective to be sure, but I don't really connect emotionally to it beyond that, because I never connected that much with Teppei, and certainly not during his appearantly last appearance in the story.
I guess just because the reader have no real connection to teppei, unlike with the four kings, he can get killed off like this. Hype up future baddies.
@The:
I feel bad for Teppei.
Not really because he seems to be dead, though thats a bummer, but more because I feel the author screwed him over. I mean, we've barely seen the guy since Ice hell, and suddenly "Oh, suddenly Teppei is in this arc? Hi Teppei! Oh, he got killed? Bye Teppei!".
It feels very Jiraya-esque to me, though Jiraya did have way more paneltime, and a long pre-retirenment fight where he gave his all. With Teppei…the imagery is effective to be sure, but I don't really connect emotionally to it beyond that, because I never connected that much with Teppei, and certainly not during his appearantly last appearance in the story.
I think he popped up sometime after Ice Hell, but he definitely wasn't an underwhelming character. As so,done earlier said he was like an Ace(card) just a cool guy with a lot of potential.
Soooo I was eating breakfast while reading this and when i got to the last page…. I stopped eating breakfast. I think I just proved the impact of that scene
@The:
I feel bad for Teppei.
Not really because he seems to be dead, though thats a bummer, but more because I feel the author screwed him over. I mean, we've barely seen the guy since Ice hell, and suddenly "Oh, suddenly Teppei is in this arc? Hi Teppei! Oh, he got killed? Bye Teppei!".
It feels very Jiraya-esque to me, though Jiraya did have way more paneltime, and a long pre-retirenment fight where he gave his all. With Teppei…the imagery is effective to be sure, but I don't really connect emotionally to it beyond that, because I never connected that much with Teppei, and certainly not during his appearantly last appearance in the story.
I have to agree with this.
I don't know about the rest of you guys but my shock is more of the page itself and not of the character.
I mean I don't even really care about Teppei really so im not really sad about any of this.
Well Toriko characters weren't really ever that interesting, this series isn't really about that so I guess its "okay".
Uhhh… two of the most powerful human in existince are not gonna be happy about this.
Choice of Teppei was perfect though.
He's one of the power houses in the series, likely slightly above the 4 kings but not at the level of the top tiers.
And he was one of those not-really-important side character that still made an impression of a cool fella, and in good terms with the protagonists. He was exactly the best character to be sacrificed at this stage.
One of the first times I've ever had a visceral physical reaction to a manga. And I don't even particularly like Toriko.
Just one of the most huge tonal shifts within the context of one chapter and the context of an entire series that I've seen.
@Thousand:
Yaawwwn, not very impressed by the "shocking" image at all. I was expecting something way more graphic and mind-blowing. Instead, with all that fruit, it just looks goofy. "But it's more powerful because it's left to your imagination!" bla bla. I've heard the argument and I agree with it somewhat that it's true in certain scenes but here, the fruit salad could have at least had a little more blood (or any). I kept hearing people going about a truly mind-boggling, shocking, breath-taking scene and all I could think was "That's it?". Weeeeeeak. I've seen worse in other manga. Hell I've seen worse in the same manga like that guy who was completely deskinned and we saw his rib-cage in the shadow. Got way more of a reaction from me. It also doesn't help that Teppei is a pretty bland character that I don't really care about.
Maybe you don't follow this series or care for it as much as others, so you wouldn't understand the repercussions of Teppei's death. Jirou and Yosaku are going to rage when this gets out. Two of the most powerful men in the Toriko Universe. If this was anyone else dying, it wouldn't have had the same impact as it does with Teppei being killed. Yosaku is strong enough, but Jirou is one of the 3 strongest men alive… we've seen proof of that in the Gourmet World. There's gonna be a bloodbath all over the place.
Oh, it's going to have big consequences alright, immensely powerful dudes are going to care that he's dead.
The question is though, do you care?
Teppei also had some other appearances. We saw him at the country of Life where we got his backstory. He also had a couple small appearances around the Dodurian Bomb thing and some minor one-offs (He's also had some filler scenes in the anime). But the thing was he was a likable and popular character. And like Aohige said, really strong and important to the plot. And he got killed brutally out of the blue.
This reminds me of the whole thing with Master Chin and Chiyo. How it turned into one of them going corrupt and joining the Bishokukai in order to obtain Center. It'll be interesting to see what the fallout of this is.
I do hope Teppei gets revived at some point, though, as a result of that. I really liked his character and I'd like to see more. We'll see. If not, it was a poignant ending for him.
I really loved this arc, I thought it was dramatic and I loved the originality it had. It had a lot of stuff I didn't expect, and this ending with the contrast of the "Happy no one dies" thing contrasted with that last shot really supercondensed it for me. Obviously, you won't please everybody all the time though. I think though a lot of the time, it's about just some people enjoying it and others not because of their personal tastes. And there can be conflict between what people WANT to see or what they expect VS what the author wants to do. I really liked the emotion, impact, and plot twists in this arc.
Next arc, it looks like, is going to be the Cooking Fest. Which Komatsu will most likely be participating in now. And we have a promise of Bishokukai showing up in this one.
I thought the scene was immensely powerful but seriously, it had nothing to do with Teppei. I mean, the guy was cool and all, but he wasn't that memorable. Well, it's hard to really feel for a Toriko character since most of them are quite underdeveloped, but Teppei was quie the secondary character.
I sincerely thing the shock came 100% from the execution, the contrast and the visual impact. Not because people oh so care about Teppei.
And no offense to those who genuinely care about him, of course.
The ending was surprisingly dark for Toriko.
Gut churning!!…the feeling was really unpleasant...but I love it. Very effective shift towards the end. Makes you crave for the next chapter weither it is real or just a thought. Ohhh!!!...can't wait for next chapter release.
His death did make a lot of sense. He was young but probably one of the strongest characters in the series given his stats. He was probably a too good to last character like Shinonome (LaBH). Plus there'll be big repercussions.
If this happened right after the Century Soup arc it might've had a bigger impact emotionally. This gets points for juxtaposition and the sheer shock factor but I'm also not on the this is one of the best deaths ever since he was too in the background. I saw compsrisons to Kaitou's death but this felt more like Gotou's death.
Next arc, it looks like, is going to be the Cooking Fest. Which Komatsu will most likely be participating in now. And we have a promise of Bishokukai showing up in this one.
I completely forgot about that, I am really looking forward to the festival now. I really wanna see that gourmet hermit in action, he had my favorite design of the 0th biotope. It is also the perfect time for Komatsu to get ranked which is really the only thing left to tie up before the gourmet world.
Maaaan, I must seriously be one jaded muthafucka. That or, no offense, but y'all have some weak stomachs.
People keep going on about how the scene was so dark and shocking and brutal and I just don't see it.
I mean let's set aside that the character in question had about as much personality as the pineapple his head is nestling with. In terms of pure brutality and gore? Someone cut off his head and put it on top of a fruit salad. Big whoop. Really guys, go read some Berserk or Vinland Saga or Ravages of Time or Deadman Wonderland or Parayste or Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro or Franken Fran or any random horror/gore manga. And that's just manga. Don't get me started on movies and TV series (and books to some extent). This isn't impressive in the slightest. When people were going on about this scene, I imagined something totally fucked up like they prepared Teppei into an actual feast. His cooked entrails placed on the side with some garnish. His limbs roasted and impaled on spikes to be eaten like shonen meat. His torso being at the centre of the table like a prized slab of meat. Teppei's head with the top of his skull cracked open and a spoon stuck in his brain ready to be feasted on (a la Temple of Doom). Now doesn't that sound scarier to you? But his head was just cut off? Maybe if we saw people actually feasting on his head that would be shocking? Or cooked his head? Or at least see his face?
But really, that scene could easily have worked if we actually gave a damn about the character. I've been shocked and devastated about characters simply being decapitated because I cared about them and didn't want their bodies treated in that manner. With Teppei's character the author should have actually tried to make us care about his character. He could have easily done this by showing us the fight that killed him. Give a huge epic fight where we learn about Teppei's backstory and character. We see him getting outmatched and end up supporting him and hoping he beats the bad guy and he goes for a final epic charge where his fate was left as a mystery until the next scene we see his head in the salad and we become shocked and heart-broken that after all his bravery and courage and fortitude, this is all his sacrifice amounted to. That's what HunterxHunter did with Kaito and it worked really well where we got to knew the character and how much he means to Gon and how much Gon believed in him only for him to die in such a way (until Togashi shamelessly retconned it). That's one way this could have worked. The other way was for the author to go balls out with the gore like how I described previously.
He didn't do either of that, he just killed a minor character in a goofy way and expects us to care. Really, this ties back to the major problem the series has been having. The author is rushing too goddamn much. It's like he's forgotten how to write good character development and emotional drama and good fights and is just blazing through one arc to the next for no apparent reason. It's really disappointing given how good he was at that stuff during the Regal Mammoth arc or the Frozen Hell arc. I really wish he'd go back to writing his arcs that way.
Next week we'll find out Teppei is alive and this was just genjutsu.
It's not gory at all, it's disturbing and unexpected because a secondary character has been reduced to the state of being some simple meat that'll be eaten alongside vegetables and fruits.
He's just a part of a simple dish.
Well, seeing as ur the first one to say that among lots of other people liking it. I guess we must assume ur taste is different than the majority, and we'll leave it at that.
Although I don't agree about the salad bowl needing any blood. It was supposed to be a dish, and a regal one judging by the overall surroundings (with the wine and stuff). So I think Shima did the right thing keeping it clean from any blood and other gorish elements
Don't worry, we just ignore that guy around here.
Choice of Teppei was perfect though.
He's one of the power houses in the series, likely slightly above the 4 kings but not at the level of the top tiers.
And he was one of those not-really-important side character that still made an impression of a cool fella, and in good terms with the protagonists. He was exactly the best
character to be sacrificed at this stage.
Thing is though: if Teppei was "perfect" for this because he was unimportant, expendable, and the readers not that attached to him - it means I don't really care about his death because he was unimportant, expendable, and I wasn't that attached to him.
And on the flip side…
@kewl0210:
Teppei also had some other appearances. We saw him at the country of Life where we got his backstory. He also had a couple small appearances around the Dodurian Bomb thing and some minor one-offs (He's also had some filler scenes in the anime). But the thing was he was a likable and popular character. And like Aohige said, really strong and important to the plot. And he got killed brutally out of the blue.
If Teppei was an important, strong, and likeable, then this death is all the potential of a promising character being utterly wasted, because the author spontaneously reeled him into the story just to die.
Basically:
Since I don't care about Teppei, theres no impact to this other than that contained in the image itself.
If I'd cared about Teppei, this chapters treatment of him would be infuriating. We don't even know who he's hyping by dying, or what that persons goal is!
You can make the argument that its all about making a point about the cruelty of the world and put strength into perspective and yadda yadda, but I'm of the opinion that if you decide to retire a character permanently that character deserves closure, or to have had his potential used properly beforehand. But if you absolutely have to kill off someone "before their time" for shock value, at least make a point of how extremely tragic it is that the characters story goes unresolved, and what a void he leaves in the lives of the other characters.
What I'm getting at is that I don't exactly see Teppei being a Hughes, so the whole "SHOCK!" angle is totally wasted on me.
Then theres purely practical writers-angle, where Teppei is nothing more than a familiar face who was suitable for a point Shima wante to make. If hype is all this is about it could've been accomplished just as efficiently by introducing some new character of the same level, and sacrificing him.
In the end, all I'm taking away from this chapter is:
"that one character was pretty strong. He died though, so his opponent must be even stronger"
And thats it.
@tlc Eh, at the risk of invoking some long ass response I'll just respond to the first paragraph!
I know you're not necessarily implying this, but something doesn't have to be overtly visceral and disgusting in order to be shocking. And I'm sure you realize that everybody is referring to its effectiveness in relevance to itself. Sure there are more conspicuously violent works out there. That doesn't change how well it works for Toriko. Furthermore you can have violent imagery without actual violence. One movie that comes to mind is We Need to Talk About Kevin. It's a film about violence without actually being a violent film. Another example that comes to mind is Bambi's mother getting shot. You don't need to actually see Bambi's mom's eviscerated innards or gaping exit wounds in order for it to be poignant. … Gunshot ...
I even think that the lack of blood and guts for that last page makes the image less cartoonish. The juxtaposition of the group's celebration and Teppei's fate. The contrast of the grisly nature of cannibalism and fine dining. It's all just so god damned tasteful. (Pun completely intended)
For me, it's more of the aftermath of what this creates that is shocking rather than the death of Teppei itself. It's like the death of Whitebeard in One Piece; the aftermath changed the world, pirates went crazy and started invading previously protected islands, etc. Teppei, as minor as his character was in the series, is the Grandson of one of the most powerful men in the world, Jiro, who in turn is the second pupil of Acacia, the greatest Bishokuya to ever live. We saw him defeat dozens of Gourmet World beasts without even breaking a sweat, something that would be impossible for the Four Kings. The Four Beast took their combined effort, and it's one of the weaker beasts of the Gourmet World… It proves that Jiro is a huge badass. Teppei is also the pupil of Yosaku, who is extremely powerful in his own right. With his death, it means the gloves are off for these two men, and everyone else for that matter. The days of Jiro being the Happy Drunk of the series are over.
It's the dish, the fact that without the head and the hand would be a very nice gift basket.
And that the meat besides it, is most likely Tepei's.
To be fair though, the Bishokuya believes strongly that u don't kill something unless u plan to eat them. No useless kill. So in that sense (twisted as it may), Teppei's death actually wasn't useless. He died and was made a dish
Which brings me to another theory, this situation can actually develop into something like the Tenryuubito in OP. Whereas the Tenryuubito regards other humans as properties. Toriko-verse world nobles regard other human beings as simply food
@Fire Fist:
The Four Beast took their combined effort, and it's one of the weaker beasts of the Gourmet World.
To be fair though, the Bishokuya believes strongly that u don't kill something unless u plan to eat them. No useless kill. So in that sense (twisted as it may), Teppei's death actually wasn't useless. He died and was made a dish
Which brings me to another theory, this situation can actually develop into something like the Tenryuubito in OP. Whereas the Tenryuubito regards other humans as properties. Toriko-verse world nobles regard other human beings as simply food
Why wouldn't they? One of Joa's group, Mokkoi, willingly sacrificed who knows how many Bishokuya for the century soup. Now we got to ask, why would they direct the Four beast like this towards so many humans? Simple answer, they wanted to eat the Four Beast, and they wanted it to be as tasty as possible, so they lead it to a strong food source, the center of Human world. Why should they care about the people who would be eaten? They're just common work-a-day schlobs. Not important people like them. It's also the reason they want Acacia's full course, they're the important people, why shouldn't they have it? So it could cause a war? It's not like they're going to go out and die.
Pardon me but I'm calling bullshit on the notion that Teppei was an "unmemorable" character. Teppei is anything but unmemorable. Hell, he was arguably the stand out character during the whole ice hell arc. Sure, he had his "derp" moment when he accidentally blurted out that there was no more soup and the fact that he has lousy handwriting, but he still showed that he was capable of acquiring the soup as well as the fact that he single-handedly saved Toriko's life at the hands of an enraged Tommyrod! Teppei may have fallen into the background after ice hell but his contributions to that arc was still awesome and because of that, I will miss the guy! :sad:
@Kaba:
Pardon me but I'm calling bullshit on the notion that Teppei was an "unmemorable" character. Teppei is anything but unmemorable. Hell, he was arguably the stand out character during the whole ice hell arc. Sure, he had his "derp" moment when he accidentally blurted out that there was no more soup and the fact that he has lousy handwriting, but he still showed that he was capable of acquiring the soup as well as the fact that he single-handedly saved Toriko's life at the hands of an enraged Tommyrod! Teppei may have fallen into the background after ice hell but his contributions to that arc was still awesome and because of that, I will miss the guy! :sad:
At least until Jirô gets his hands on CENTER. Now his grandson has been killed off, he and Setsuno must return to the main stage of the Gourmet World YES or YES.
You can say that Teppei's head was handed over puts shade in a silver basket.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
HOLY CRAP! I was not expecting that last page. Oh.My.God. What the? How the?!
some people you just can't please
I can't see this because i don't live in the US but this was uploaded on FUNi's Youtube :)
I second this. Some of the monsters that was already introduced from Gourmet World are probably a lot weaker then the Four Beast, or maybe no body ever ran into them and used one of the devices to do the capture lvl thing.
The end of the chapter sure was shocking, did not expect that too, but if I remember exactly he robably do have a technique like that where it seems like hes playing possum so maybe next week we will see something about it
I liked Teppei. He was funny. And he's one of the reasons Ice Hell is still the best arc.
It's not gory at all, it's disturbing and unexpected because a secondary character has been reduced to the state of being some simple meat that'll be eaten alongside vegetables and fruits.
He's just a part of a simple dish.
That's the point. And that's what makes the scene scary and terrifying.
@Kaba:
Pardon me but I'm calling bullshit on the notion that Teppei was an "unmemorable" character. Teppei is anything but unmemorable. Hell, he was arguably the stand out character during the whole ice hell arc. Sure, he had his "derp" moment when he accidentally blurted out that there was no more soup and the fact that he has lousy handwriting, but he still showed that he was capable of acquiring the soup as well as the fact that he single-handedly saved Toriko's life at the hands of an enraged Tommyrod! Teppei may have fallen into the background after ice hell but his contributions to that arc was still awesome and because of that, I will miss the guy! :sad:
The same goes for me.
@The:
Thing is though: if Teppei was "perfect" for this because he was unimportant, expendable, and the readers not that attached to him - it means I don't really care about his death because he was unimportant, expendable, and I wasn't that attached to him.
I'm not talking about reader's attachment.
By "perfect character to sacrifice", I'm talking about in-story development.
He was the closest thing to a peer the 4 kings have. Young, apprentice of the top tiers, similar in strength and position.
A prospect. Having him gruesomely killed this way sends a chilling message that "this can easily happen to Toriko", and what kind of villains the protagonists are facing.
He's not important enough to affect the story of the protagonist, or bring shock to the readers, but perfect example as a comparison to the heroes. Not to mention, his death has juicey reprecussions in the world of Toriko.
Not to mention, his death has juicey reprecussions in the world of Toriko.
Poor Jirou will become a bum trying to drown himself in Alcohol to forget the death of his grandson.
Litterally.
Aside from Teppei, has anyone else noticed the one guy in this chapter wearing a Nine-Inch-Nails shirt? Thought I should bring this up.
@superneku:
I can't see this because i don't live in the US but this was uploaded on FUNi's Youtube :)
Hmmm….
Toriko sounds a little too macho. I was kind of hoping he would sound a little more laid back. Although, I did laugh at the "taste the rainbow" suggestion! Toriko shilling Skittles would be hilarious!
Komatsu's voice = PERFECT! Exactly how I pictured it!
Tina's VA is trying waaaayyy too hard and sounds like the female announcer from the Yoplait MiniGo yogurt commercials. I laughed HARD when she said that she "wants that in her mouth." Tina, you slut!
And what the FUCK was up with that background rap? Dear God, that BETTER not be the English opening! Guts Guts should NOT be replaced by rap!
This must be how it felt when they killed off Mr. Hooper on Sesame Street.
The anime producers are probably having fits right now trying to figure out what the hell they're going to do.
Omg…This may be the third time I've ever liked the English Voice better than the original. Komatsu is sooooooooo much better. By like 11ty thousand percent. Toriko I think sounds pretty cool. The problem is that since Toriko is crazy manly sounding now, Zebra will have to be voiced by a T-Rex cause I can't of any men to sound more manly.
oh boy. funi, what are you doing.
rap does NOT fit toriko at all, much less an extremely white "cowbell and clapping is percussion right" sort of rap.
tina is trying too hard, "I want that in my mouth <3"
komatsu isn't trying hard enough, he's all "I know you're the one we need!" when the animation is going "I KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE ONE WE NEEEEED TORIGO-ZANNN"
meanwhile Toriko… christ, what the hell was that? listen to his skittles pitch again, listen to how his voice fluctuates... it's like he's doing a "crazed, moronic muscle bad guy" voice, I can't take that seriously. That's not a good voice, and certainly not a good voice for Toriko.
plus there's all the content, pacing, and animation quality problems the anime has...
yeah. not gonna recommend this one to anyone any time soon.
Omg…This may be the third time I've ever liked the English Voice better than the original. Komatsu is sooooooooo much better. By like 11ty thousand percent. Toriko I think sounds pretty cool. The problem is that since Toriko is crazy manly sounding now, Zebra will have to be voiced by a T-Rex cause I can't of any men to sound more manly.
They'll get Stallone to voice Zebra.
Forgot to post this yesterday, FUNi also put up a cast list for the anime yesterday on their blog.
| CHARACTER | ACTOR |
| CEDRE | David Trosko |
| COCO | Jarrod Greene |
| CRUPPO | Heather Walker |
| GIDO | Anthony Bowling |
| GRINPATCH | Chris Rager |
| JOE JOE | Brad Venable |
| JOHANNES | Robert McCollum |
| KOMATSU | Josh Grelle |
| MANSOM | Brian Mathis |
| MATCH | Jason Douglas |
| MOKKOI | Douglass Burks |
| NARRATOR | Chris Guerrero |
| RIN | Leah Clark |
| SETSUNO | Juli Erickson |
| STARJUN | Scott Freeman |
| SUNNY | Aaron Roberts |
| TINA | Morgan Garrett |
| TORIKO | Ian Sinclair |
| UUMEN | Christopher R. Sabat |
| ZONGEH | Bryan Massey
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Director - Tyler Walker
ADR Engineer - Kyle Phillips