I´ve just combined the last two pages into a spread for those who care.
Chapter 404 "Franky VS Fukurou" Discussion
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I was actually wondering if you'd ever do that again. Thanks.
You find the whole argument dreadful but you can't help to dig it up long after it has been settled without forgetting to show some contempt to those who argued about it? Makes sense.
It was never settled, and there was no contempt.
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It was settled when Lucci mentioned Franky finishing Nero, and the tone of your sentence sounded like " I didn't argue about it cause I'm too good to stoop to that level, that argument is retarded but I'll still mention how stupid it is to believe it could have been something else than special effects". Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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I was actually wondering if you'd ever do that again. Thanks.
I always intend to do that but since the last chapters all had the spreads combined already there was nothing for me to do there.
Nice to see the effort is appreciated. :happy:
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I too think all the "lightning in this chapter were effects.
Oda has used the black-frame, lots-of-lightning effect before, but because of the different circumstances, no one was asking "was Luffy just hit by lightning?" During his famous "It's the pidgeon!!" Line.
It's the same deal here, just on a larger scale for more effect - I.e. it doesn't need to have Franky in the frame, the effect is still "generated" by him.
And I just can't see Califa going "why did you create a thunderstorm outside?" Next chapter. Even with an unmastered Clima Tact, Nami is not that stupid.On the matter of "Is Fukorou defeated?", IMO, theres an equal chance of it going both ways. Just because he's knocked down, pupil-less and Spits blood, it doesn't mean he won't get up - Blueno and Crocodile are prime examples. And Franky going Super!! could be a sign that the fight is starting "for reals".
On the other hand, the last spread and subsequent badass shot of Franky would make a great closure, and Franky already did good damage in low-power mode. -
Yeah. I couldn't see it as a finisher, but it's kinda obvious that Fukuro can only get his ass beat harder. Maybe he'll just try a new trick to screw up their key-getting.
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i'd really like the franky fight to be finished now, to drag it on at this point would be well dragging it on, especially if Franky is due for the Spandam fight, but i'm not sure i can see him getting three big fights this arc.
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Why wouldn't he? Do I have to remind you of chap 372 page 9?
And I believe Popeye had similiar "special effects" with his power ups.
(thx Malintex)Those panels are all Franky doing something, he sure as hell didn't show us a huge thunderstorm that turns ennies lobby (the place that is eternally daytime) to night just to illustrate a powerup that hadn't even HAPPENED yet before. The page you just showed, it's just showing franky's abilities, which is totally appropriate.
Look, Franky's really cool, but a thunderstorm doesn't appear over ennie's lobby just because he's about to punch someone, sorry.
Sorry, but i mean the first panel of chap 372 page 9. This one:
where the background is suddenly all black and some lightning show is
going on behind Frankys ultra SUPER pose.
Surely Dragon could hide somewhere and make Franky look SUPER,
but that seems somehow unlikely. But we'll see tomorrow in Ep 260.Btw thx huron
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hhmm.. Chopper and Franky look like they can keep fighting. Wonder what they're gonna do now.
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Sorry, but i mean the first panel of chap 372 page 9. This one:
where the background is suddenly all black and some lightning show is
going on behind Frankys ultra SUPER pose.
Surely Dragon could hide somewhere and make Franky look SUPER,
but that seems somehow unlikely. But we'll see tomorrow in Ep 260.Btw thx huron
Good examples of lightning special effects when Franky does something which I think is proof enough for that Fukurou wasn't hit by lightning. But I can't remember any time in One Piece where special effects from attacks or other important stuff has been weather. We have had black backgrounds with lightning but not any changes of the weather. This is what makes me think that the lighning from the cloud will turn out to be more than a cool effect to emphasis on Franky's general awsomeness.
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Well… Now that Franky's done with his fight, what's he gonna do now?
- Stand around aimlessly and stupidly (unlikely)
- Join in with some other fight (heck yes)
- Follow Luffy to the Gates of Justice (impossible since he doesn't know about the underground railroad)
It's #2 of course, so who's fight is he gonna join in with? I'm guessing Sogeking/Zoro since they need a hell lotta help right now.
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I think he s gonna coup de bou himself to the other side
and escape with his family with the puffing tom hahahaha lol
no he will coup de bou himself towards the gate of justice ofcourse and will be waiting for spanda and lucci like a badass mtfkr iyeah -
Coup de Bou takes up too much cola. Maybe he will store some more cola in his fridge.
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Well… Now that Franky's done with his fight, what's he gonna do now?
- Stand around aimlessly and stupidly (unlikely)
- Join in with some other fight (heck yes)
- Follow Luffy to the Gates of Justice (impossible since he doesn't know about the underground railroad)
It's #2 of course, so who's fight is he gonna join in with? I'm guessing Sogeking/Zoro since they need a hell lotta help right now.
I think that he and/or Chopper have to fight Kumadori in the next chapter if Fukuro really is defeated, and probably also even if they haven't defeated him. Kumadori should get out of the fridge in the next chapter, but the events at the Tower of Justice have been very unpredictable.
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More proof that the lightning is just dramatic effect: There are also other parts where there are dramatic effects, but not necessary lightning.
In the Skypiea arc, when Luffy and the others are in the snake's belly, Nami thinks that the snake is going on rampage because he ate too many trashes, but then she notices that it must be Luffy hitting the snake from within and causing the rampage. Now when she thought of that, there was like a bright flash in the block.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter271.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5192
Now does that mean Luffy was flashing brightly all of a sudden? No; it is just a dramatic effect for how shocked they are to learn the truth.And when chapter 219, when Nami said the map of Skypiea could be fake, Luffy, Usopp, and Chopper went shocked and the background turns black.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter219.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4239
However, this does not mean the sky really did turn black. It is just a dramatic effect of how turned down they are to hear this.I hope that clears things up a lot and you will stop saying, "LOOK! DRAGON IS HERE!!!!"
And on the account of Fukuro defeated or not: The last time I checked, whenever a villain took the final blow, it is always shown in a large square that takes about 2 pages.
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All these exemples you gave can't be compared with the panel showing the storm outside the tower of justice. In every case it was very clear it was to add to the comedy of the situation and was directly related to the characters while here the storm and the thunder are shown separatly from Franky.
Not saying it isn't just that, special effects, but it clearly breaks Oda's usual way of drawing humoristic scenes.
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It is completely unnecessary to refer to other Oda ways of handling effects. We are not talking about effects in general but about an effect for a certain character.
True Oda never used lighting as an effect before. BUT is if is a special Franky effect then why should he use it anywhere else outside of this context?
We saw the lightning in Franky´s fight against Nero and we see it now? Both situations feature Franky as the highlightened hero there. It´s enough to assume that is something that is something special to Franky.
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All these exemples you gave can't be compared with the panel showing the storm outside the tower of justice. In every case it was very clear it was to add to the comedy of the situation and was directly related to the characters while here the storm and the thunder are shown separatly from Franky.
Not saying it isn't just that, special effects, but it clearly breaks Oda's usual way of drawing humoristic scenes.
check out chap 365 page 8 panel 3! Just because we don't see any characters in that panel, doesn't mean that this car has some strange DF power which makes it deform like that.
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check out chap 365 page 8 panel 3! Just because we don't see any characters in that panel, doesn't mean that this car has some strange DF power which makes it deform like that.
It also seems that the cars DF power made the clouds turn into thin lines. :happy:
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Wow people in this forum are really hard-headed
there are 2 possibilities:
1)Its just a special effect related to Franky
2)Its a real stormwe have good and bad reasons for the 2 of them:
1)-the chapter is quite entirely about Franky
-we see the storm just after Franky drinks his colas(or at the moment he drinks)
-and we saw in earlier chapters that the special effects related to Franky are all with thunder-strikes2)-we never saw a special effect related to a character without the character in it –> why make the effect outside if it was a power boost thunder special effect with Franky in the middle of the picture, it would be awesome (like popey when he eats his spinach)
-when we look good at the picture we see clouds so it s just like a real storm, why that? if just a black background with thunders can be enough.so we need to wait for the next chapter to know exactly what happens
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Wow people in this forum are really hard-headed
there are 2 possibilities:
1)Its just a special effect related to Franky
2)Its a real stormwe have good and bad reasons for the 2 of them:
1)-the chapter is quite entirely about Franky
-we see the storm just after Franky drinks his colas(or at the moment he drinks)
-and we saw in earlier chapters that the special effects related to Franky are all with thunder-strikes2)-we never saw a special effect related to a character without the character in it –> why make the effect outside if it was a power boost thunder special effect with Franky in the middle of the picture, it would be awesome (like popey when he eats his spinach)
-when we look good at the picture we see clouds so it s just like a real storm, why that? if just a black background with thunders can be enough.so we need to wait for the next chapter to know exactly what happens
Ditto, werd, period, what he said etc etc.
As far as I'm concerned the discussion is closed.
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2)-we never saw a special effect related to a character without the character in it –> why make the effect outside if it was a power boost thunder special effect with Franky in the middle of the picture, it would be awesome (like popey when he eats his spinach)
That´s partwise true. However we don´t necessarily need to see Franky in the panel if we already see a bubble that says "SUPER!!!"
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IMO, not seeing Franky, but a much larger area instead is a greater amplifier of awesomness. Kind of like how every rpg needs an attack that can be seen from out of space.
But for those who say it's a real storm: Why, in a chapter where Franky is nearly in every frame, should there be a single one that stands out, and throw in a single frame of a magically appearing storm? Especially when it fits in contexst when vieved the other way?
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I just noticed that Franky's hair under the inluence of the tea matches the heat waves coming from a nearby cup of tea. (bottom right panel, page 16)
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Is Franky holding a gardening tool when Chopper gave him tea? lol I just love stuff like that.
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Is Franky holding a gardening tool when Chopper gave him tea? lol I just love stuff like that.
yeah he is, but isn't he crying in that panel too?
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Franky? Crying!? You're out of your mind! Haven't you been paying attention! He never cries.
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He's sweating after a hard day's work.
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Whne they eventually get around to animating this I wanna see Franky squeeze the cola bottles hard and have th econtents arc upwards right into his mouth. That would be awesome!
Has someone translated this yet?
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Doesn't he put the bottles in his stomach? I assumed it was like his engine or something.
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Yes, that was what it was. see chapter 339-pg14. You see him load the cola into his fridge-chest.
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Franky? Crying!? You're out of your mind! Haven't you been paying attention! He never cries.
Erm didn't he cry after Usopps story and when singing the serenade of his? :unsure:
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Great another sarcasm passes me by. I just love this day. :bang:
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stephen's translations is out. check out http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter404.txt
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Finally…
Looks like Fukuro wasn't taking Franky seriously at the end.
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Thank god, I couldn't bear it anymore
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Don't thank god, thank Stephen.
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lol, the dialouge was so funny! I especially like the tea one.
So I guess Franky will take down Kumadori too since he's charged up and Chopper's three minutes are up.
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Franky has already taken down two cp9 agents and I think a third one is uneeded so maybe sanji can step in and take revenge on kumadori while franky and chopper try to find the keys.
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I was right all along, even Chopper thinks(blames) Franky as the reason of Usopp quitting the crew. Franky called Chopper "Gorilla"
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stephen's translations is out. check out http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter404.txt
XDSweet!
Hah, that childish back & forth had me in stitches. :laugh:
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I liked this line:
Franky: I DON'T WANNA BE HEALTHY!!! GIMME SOME COLA!!!
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Franky has already taken down two cp9 agents and I think a third one is uneeded so maybe sanji can step in and take revenge on kumadori while franky and chopper try to find the keys.
technically Lucci took out Nero as he was still getting up after Strong Hammer
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Thank you Stephen once again, what another cracking chapter.
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At this point, I'd be very very disappointed if Franky doesn't join at the end of all this. I think he's one of the most interesting characters Oda has created thus far. Plus he's got this anti-hero mentality and I think that will lead to some interesting character interaction between him and the other Straw Hats.
Plus…all his future fights will certainly be interesting to watch. Upgrades anyone? SUPER!
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I wonder what diet coke would do to Franky?
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Diet coke is still a cola. I was thinking along the lines of…Prune Juice.
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Diet coke is still a cola. I was thinking along the lines of…Prune Juice.
I thought of one, though it's not technically a drink…tabasco sauce. Would this make a "Fire Franky?"