there may be more to the story. We've only know it from Emerald Dragon's point of view. Some things may not me solid facts, but assumptions he have made. Any way good to see story going forward at last
Fairy Tail Discussion III
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the recent chapter is out
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/302
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I don't know; I thought it was good.
! At the very least, it seems like we'll have a plausible explanation for why Zeref knew Natsu, but Natsu didn't know Zeref. Assuming that this is leading into another arc, it's more build-up than most arcs in Fairy Tail get.
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Wow, That guy is smart, pretend to be on the wrong side of the defense minister, tricking fairy tail, just so he can kill the two key-users in peace.
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@Sonic:
Wow, That guy is smart, pretend to be on the wrong side of the defense minister, tricking fairy tail, just so he can kill the two key-users in peace.
There are more key users. Remember Angel or that weird guy in the beginning. There are just two characters who still have gold keys.
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Well, but because of all that previous exposition, it's obvious that something will go wrong with the door.
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So natsu and co will time travel and try to kill zeref but they will fail… so thats why zeref knows natsu but natsu doesn't recognize him... finally some coherent plot in Fairytail... but I'm a little afraid of nakama power ruining everything.... after all Fairytail is all about friendship is magic.... damn... can't get my hopes too high... too bad I like the characters and art in Fairytail.... seriously mashima should just hire some good story writers...
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Wow, what a twist. I expected that white knight to do something stupid, but instead they invent a whole new character to act stupid and irrational.
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Wow, what a twist. I expected that white knight to do something stupid, but instead they invent a whole new character to act stupid and irrational.
Who? The minister of defense? He was already shown alogside Arcadios a little while ago.
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Yeah and his logic is sound
If you go into the past and kill zeref then the future is going to be radically altered to a degree that is unknown
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Ah, so that's how Zeref knew Natsu, time loop shenanigans, and you could stretch things and say that that's probably the reason why Natsu and Gajeel couldn't get through the barrier back during Laxus's coup. That also means the plan is doomed to failure, since Zeref is obviously still kicking and the minister shouldn't be worrying since everything seems to be part a stable time loop but I guess the characters shouldn't know that. But silly man, playing right into Arcadios's hands.
Backgrounds were good this chapter.
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One thing ocurred me: So no one will actually die, it'll be just the past begin altered? Meh.
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I think the reason why some people hate Fairy Tail is because of how they sell the emotional moments as something we should feel immersed in.
Like DBZ doesn't get criticized for it's plot as much because from day one of the Saiyan Saga, you KNEW it was all about the action, not excactly the story itself.
It's like Fairy Tail tries to do that, but the lack of proper steps make it seem like shit.
I originally wanted to post that earlier, but because you guys didn't like the FT Opinion thing I was doing, I couldn't.
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Well Dragon Ball actually started out as a fairly obvious gag centric manga with an action centerpiece
I don't think its wrong to not take it seriously when its fun like that
Fairy Tail is a comedy manga that tries to take itself too seriously
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So lemme guess. Lucy's gonna be in prison now, helpless, not able to do anything, in chains and will cry for someone to save her.
Am I the only one here who finds this heinous ?
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Also, I love how the minister, who ordered her arrest is saying they should go win a meaningless tournament to impress a completely different person who had nothing to do with it.
Briliant logic there.
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Is the tournament arc done, or is this an in between arc? I stopped reading FT after the 7 year time skip.
Did they somehow manage to overcome their former equals who now had 7+ years of experience and training on them?
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lol first a 7 year time skip and now a 400 year reverse time skip. I haven't seen that before i have to say
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Is the tournament arc done, or is this an in between arc? I stopped reading FT after the 7 year time skip.
Did they somehow manage to overcome their former equals who now had 7+ years of experience and training on them?
The main cast (Natsu, Ezra, Gray, Lucy, Wendy) did magic doping so they got stronger in a couple of days because they got trolled by the author via a time warp, while the side characters (Gajeel, Laxus) trained legitimately for weeks…The tourney is still going on, although it feels like it should have just been cancelled. Not sure what's left. Still hoping for the song competition cause I wanna see how good Gajeel is according to his stats lol.
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The main cast (Natsu, Ezra, Gray, Lucy, Wendy) did magic doping so they got stronger in a couple of days because they got trolled by the author via a time warp, while the side characters (Gajeel, Laxus) trained legitimately for weeks…The tourney is still going on, although it feels like it should have just been cancelled. Not sure what's left. Still hoping for the song competition cause I wanna see how good Gajeel is according to his stats lol.
Saying it like that makes it look like Fairytail is pro drug usage. =(
I think the tourney is not going to be cancelled since now if they win they might have more chance to get Lucy (and maybe Yukino if they still care) free. So, does that make it a rescue arc?
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Yeah and his logic is sound
If you go into the past and kill zeref then the future is going to be radically altered to a degree that is unknownWell unless the current present is already the result of the time travel.
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I get the feeling, actually no it's pretty clear Mashima is rehasing his time travel plot from Rave. Mostly what came to mind as I read.
Okay chap though and yeah I figure his time travel rules will basically be w/e happened happened and you can't really change anything so the current present is already the result of the time travel (so they fail in killing Zeref or it's revealed that the story isn't as cut and dry as kill him before he becomes super evil).
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So here is how its going to go:
-The characters who didn't age in the timeskip go to the past, Zeref kicks their ass, everyone thinks some of then died or something.(it explains that whole cliffhanger thing in a previous chapter)
-Stuff happens and everyone must stay in the past for 7 years.
-When they return only a couple of hours have passed from when they went to the past
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@Miss:
Saying it like that makes it look like Fairytail is pro drug usage. =(
I think the tourney is not going to be cancelled since now if they win they might have more chance to get Lucy (and maybe Yukino if they still care) free. So, does that make it a rescue arc?
They are though lol. Before the got they uppers from Ultear they tried getting some drugs from Granny lol.
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Oh my freakin gosh, its like Lucy is just here for freakin fan service!! Can't they just leave her like that? I'm sick and tired of her already, you have other girls who are useful in this series that add fan service.
So hmm Dealing with time again eh? I knew Natsu and Gajeel were older than we though, I'm kind of more intrested in that plot than the tournament, we already know Fairy Tail team is gonna win due to the new plot device thanks Lucy.
Oh well, hope that still gives us a chance for Gajeel in action in this tournament.
Hey, it was an ok chapter I guess. This plot is starting to remind of some other series though, what is? Can't remember.
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After the events in the past, Gerard will stay behind to defend the town (and the gate) from being des…
Wait, why does that sound familiar?
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So Mashima decides to put time travel on fairy tail this can have various directions:
-he just made is own deus ex machine that way he can kill great number of characthers and go back in time to revive then;
-if they kill or prevent zeref to create/help acnologia to transform into a dragon and if he was the main reason to the dragons against humans lose that would made some if not all the dragons he kill in the current timeline destroying everthing and everyone(like this one because that means that trolldragon would appear more)
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My buddy who can't shut up about this manga mentioned this chapter. If there's any popular trend in fiction that deliberately uses the device of time travel, especially to the past to change history, it ALWAYS ends up being a paradox of events that already happened. This is why I think time travel only works in storylines that is centered around the idea, rather than an added plot device. I can see Hiro foreshadowed this a long time ago, but it does not help for a story that's already too damned predictable to begin with. This reveal basically already told us a huge chunk of story for future arcs as it is.
Heck. I won't be surprised if Hiro dropped a ball and revealed something like… Edoras being a splintered timeline or some other cop-out rubbish.
I didn't want to write this comment, but I'm quite enthused with time travel and I don't really fancy it being written poorly. I suppose I could end this post by posting immature macros and others things completely jarring and irrelevant.
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Time travel really causes too many issues that logically don't add up quite right. You'd have to have the theory that time travel changes nothing. That you can't influence the past or interact with it as a player, only a viewer. Or you do the Simpson's/Butterfly Effect way and everything you do screws up the Universe.
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One of the best examples of time travel wackyness is Dr. Mcninja's one. Even with a proper explanation, with alternative timelines, it was still a trainwreck.
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So the games were a way to collect 1.21 gigawatts of magical energy. Makes sense.
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Im soooooo confused. Why they arrest Lucy n Yukino?
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The same reason why Neptune tried to arrest the Straw Hats - because they have the potential to royally mess things up, so better that they're on lock down and under supervision. Yes, it's very short-sighted and is probably playing right into the evil plan. Self fulfillment? What's that?
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@Fire Fist:
After the events in the past, Gerard will stay behind to defend the town (and the gate) from being des…
Wait, why does that sound familiar?
No lie this is exactly what I think is going to happen.
I bet Natsu even meets the first (fire) dragon slayer and he eventually dies.
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My buddy who can't shut up about this manga mentioned this chapter. If there's any popular trend in fiction that deliberately uses the device of time travel, especially to the past to change history, it ALWAYS ends up being a paradox of events that already happened. This is why I think time travel only works in storylines that is centered around the idea, rather than an added plot device. I can see Hiro foreshadowed this a long time ago, but it does not help for a story that's already too damned predictable to begin with. This reveal basically already told us a huge chunk of story for future arcs as it is.
Heck. I won't be surprised if Hiro dropped a ball and revealed something like… Edoras being a splintered timeline or some other cop-out rubbish.
I dunno if you read Rave but that's basicly the big plot twist at the end.
And guys, realy, I would like to make something clear. Sometimes I take jabs at a series I read because I find it lending itself to a joke or two. But I don't want it to look like I just absolutely hate Fairy Tail and hang around only to be that one guy who always hates on everything this manga does for the sake of venting frustration. I don't.
For example, the whole Lucy thing, I realy hate this development because it means that following the two times in this last arc where she has failed phenomenaly, and then got dropped out of the tournament pretty much without a single word of protest, now she is once again needlessly kidnapped, and the chances of her doing anything have gone down the crapper.
And this is especialy annoying to me because I empathise with Lucy and don't like Hiro's constant fixation with making bad shit happen to her and only to her, be it comedic or otherwhise. Oh sure, Erza got kidnapped too but during that arc she got her things together and actualy fought and beat some of her captors. Did Lucy do anything like this either time she got kidnapped ?
Lucy is pretty much the only character I even give a damn about in this series, because I know that either pretty much everyone else in the "A" team will be fine, or their shame will be viewed by no one and have very few repercussions (yes I am talking about Gray here).
Also it just boggles my mind as to why Hiro doesn't try and experiment a bit with his series, if only to amuse himself. Because if he was always at this level then I'd say whatever and move on but the thing is he did do much better in Rave, at least there he attempted some kind of world building. But in FT he got very, very lazy and has not bothered to introduce a concept, character or situation so far that does not directly tie back to Fairy Tail and it's "main protagonists" so far and it makes the world look realy small and uneventfull, which is ironic given the immense potential of all these wizards and demons and things like that in the world.
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The same reason why Neptune tried to arrest the Straw Hats - because they have the potential to royally mess things up, so better that they're on lock down and under supervision. Yes, it's very short-sighted and is probably playing right into the evil plan. Self fulfillment? What's that?
Thing is not only do they know their state secrets but FT knows as well. And I'm pretty sure Makarov, one of the fricken Mage Saints, would be sure to make Lucy stay as far away from the problem as possible, so then any potential need to arrest her becomes void and all it does is piss off FT and make Lucy all the more willing to help, given how this dig just had her arrested without due process or court order.
I bet she's gonna be in a cell in the fricken castle no less.
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It was an okay chapter. I loved that all of Natsu's magic was absorbed. Does this mean he can't use magic anymore(temporarily ofcourse, he will get it back eventually). I am really hoping he gets the cr*p beat out of him by someone now(Am I evil??).
Apart from that, I don't really like the direction where this is going. Time-travel is something that I don't enjoy too much (unless its handled really well).
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I can't remember Rave too well but I know time travel happened but it was like a flashback or something and then Haru and Ellie had to be guarded or whatever….....IDK I just skimmed through that part of the manga
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Okay chapter again. Ending was stupid.
This may be because I'm a shallow FT reader at best, but a real problem with this whole Zeref/acknologia plotline is…
I really don't buy them as threats.Don't get me wrong, they appear to be very strong, but they don't seem to be actively threatening the world. In the seven years since Natsu and co were gone its not like the world has become a barren wasteland with people living in fear of tactical dragon-nuke strikes, FF6 style. People seem unconcerned and happy, and even organize a bigass festival like this. I just don't see why Zeref is the ultimate evil that must be stopped for the sake of the world! since he doesn't appear to be doing anything at all, and didn't even 7 years ago, where he was just moping around on Tenrou island.
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I have a gut feeling that Gajeel and Natsu are actually from the past, they already time traveled to the future on got trained by the dragons. It would explain why they couldn't pass the barrie int he Luxus arc.
Who knows, they might see copies of themselves in the past.
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Natsu scored a few points with me for saying "I couldn't care less" instead of "I could care less".
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Why do people think Natsu n Gajeel are older than they appear? ps, why is Lucy even there?
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Because they were unable to pass through the barrier Fried set up in the Battle of FT arc, which said those over 80 cannot pass.
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Oh i forgot it was an age barrier
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The amount of fanservice in this is incredible.
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why did they leave Erza out of this?
that emerald dragon was funny I miss him already.
time travel again, I really like rave master but was time tarvel the best Mashima could come up with? kind of disappointed to see him using an idea that he's done already.
maybe Fairy tail is an alternate future of the rave world lolbut I agree that Zeref and Acnologia dont feel like the final boss, fairy tail is the kind of series that can easily continue even if they were defeated since there's still the dark guild tartarus to deal with. and as long as Mashima can think up stories and make new bad guys it continue with a new villain every arc untill he gets fed up writing the series.
Zeref and Acnologia are really poor when compared to King and Lucia from Rave.
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I chuckled at mangastream's translation. "The dice is cast". It should be "die" if quoting Caesar or they should use it anyways since "dice" is plural, so I think it should be "The dice are cast" or "The die is cast".
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It's obvious that Yukino's sister is
! Angel from Oración Seis.
@Lazy:
The amount of fanservice in this is incredible.
One Piece has the same level of fanservice.
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It's obvious that Yukino's sister is
! Angel from Oración Seis.
One Piece has the same level of fanservice.
Nami had one naked bathscene in the past what, 700 chapters ? Lucy's had like four in less then half.
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It could be that whatever the knight has told may not be the whole truth. It's just a red herring and the actual plan will be revealed later. It is also possible that the minister and the knight are in cahoots and plotted to create a situation where they have both the celestial mages in their custody . The whole sequence of events was absurd , the knight comes to them and conveniently reveals a state secret to all the guild and the minister comes and uses this excuse to arrest Lucy . This might be their plan B since plan A kidnap Lucy didn't work .
What the actual plan would be I can't predict. There are too many unknowns about Zeref , Acnologia and their activities in these 7 years , Igneel ,Grandine and rest of the dragons .There is also the mysterious hooded lady . The actual plan surely won't be as stupid as Time travel into the past 400 years back and kill Zeref.
Something else did happen as evident in how Levy sheds tears and hints that most of the guild got annihilated. And there is also Charle's vision about Lucy and the crumbling castle . Something big did happen in this timeline .