I believe usopp really will have an army of 8000 giant followers by the end of the series
fixed that for you.
I believe usopp really will have an army of 8000 giant followers by the end of the series
fixed that for you.
I am convinced, that if there is any chance of anyone joining in Punk Hazard, it's Monet.
@400MillionBelis:
I am convinced, that if there is any chance of anyone joining in Punk Hazard, it's Monet.
i ALREADY SAID AGES AGO IF SHE JOINS ANYONES CREW IT WILL BE LAW'S BECAUSE ROBIN VS MONET WHEN LUFFY VS LAW'S CREW HAPPENS LAW HAS THE BEAR THAT KICKS STUFF TO FIGHT SANJI.
I still don't get how ANYTIME a new character appears whether it's Caimie, Duval, Jinbe, Lola, Monet, or Kinemon somehow they all have to become SHs because they did this and this and that with the crew. Odds Monet or Kinemon are going to be asked to join after Jinbe was asked and the crew is waiting… ZERO
I still don't get how ANYTIME a new character appears whether it's Caimie, Duval, Jinbe, Lola, Monet, or Kinemon somehow they all have to become SHs because they did this and this and that with the crew. Odds Monet or Kinemon are going to be asked to join after Jinbe was asked and the crew is waiting… ZERO
1. What the hell is this thread discussion for then if we are not allowed to speculate who can and may join? Eye candy?
2. Oh because you're Oda and you know that the odds are zero.
3. You disprove of speculation of any character joining yet you support Doflamingo being the main villain?
4. If you don't get why people discuss these stuff, then why the hell are you in a thread called "Straw Hat Crew Theories and Predictions"?
There is a reason why the last two nakamates thread was closed and a new one wasn't made. This thread was never intended to discuss possible new crewmates.
There is a reason why the last two nakamates thread was closed and a new one wasn't made. This thread was never intended to discuss possible new crewmates.
Which was a bad decision to be honest. The topic is too prominent, it can't be simply "closed". Well it can, but then people shouldn't complain that it spreads into a dozen other threads.
Which was a bad decision to be honest. The topic is too prominent, it can't be simply "closed". Well it can, but then people shouldn't complain that it spreads into a dozen other threads.
Oh, I know, I was just addressing his points 1 and 4
Well, people really want more women in the crew. They are tired of the two we currently have, and really, really want more.There's too many men in the pirate crew which, by averages, has a significantly higher female population than most. It doesn't matter if the character is properly developed, interesting, wants to be a pirate, wants to be a Strawhat, has had more than a handful of lines, seems to be taking part in a plan to kidnap, drug, addict, and then weaponize children or anything like that. They just REALLY want a new woman.*
*Who is attractive. God forbid that someone that doesn't fit general pleasing aesthetics joins.
Well, people really want more women in the crew. They are tired of the two we currently have, and really, really want more.There's too many men in the pirate crew which, by averages, has a significantly higher female population than most. It doesn't matter if the character is properly developed, interesting, wants to be a pirate, wants to be a Strawhat, has had more than a handful of lines, seems to be taking part in a plan to kidnap, drug, addict, and then weaponize children or anything like that. They just REALLY want a new woman.*
*Who is attractive. God forbid that someone that doesn't fit general pleasing aesthetics joins.
LOL the above is the bare truth
This thread was never intended to discuss possible new crewmates.
But you can't say that speculating and predicting who could join is off-topic, right?
And growing on Monet; it was just an epiphany while I was listing to a podcast. Monet is mysterious, she hasn't shown any (major) hostility, has an interest in astronomy, and we have Eneru up in the Moon. She reminds me of Robin a lot.
@400MillionBelis:
1. What the hell is this thread discussion for then if we are not allowed to speculate who can and may join? Eye candy?
2. Oh because you're Oda and you know that the odds are zero.
3. You disprove of speculation of any character joining yet you support Doflamingo being the main villain?
4. If you don't get why people discuss these stuff, then why the hell are you in a thread called "Straw Hat Crew Theories and Predictions"?
- Nothing wrong with speculating but it's a bit tiresome when every new character becomes part of the "next nakama" discussion
- I never claimed to be Oda and there are times when it's pretty obvious due past experience (of reading One Piece) when someone's chances of joining are slim to none
- I don't support Doflamingo as the main villain, I've always said Blackbeard was. I have Doflamingo in my signature because people kept speculating that Doflamingo was behind a lot of things (which I believed) however there was a backlash of people saying that Doflamingo wasn't behind all of the goings on. I was being swayed by the backlash but then Doflamingo was revealed to be a villain who WAS behind lots of stuff. So I was going to change my signature from supporting "all Doflamingo did theories" (the word 'all' being used as partial sarcasm) to something else then when he was revealed I tacked on the "<–- which all in turn are correct" to kind of mock myself and others who were saying Doflamingo couldn't be x, y, and z.
- I'm not against discussion but there is a "baseless or silly or stupid" prediction thread where all the Caimie for nakama and Kinemon for nakama threads should spawn
1. You can describe "what's gonna happen next" discussions the same way. If you find it tiresome then ignore it - if the discussion isn't for you then go somewhere else that fits you.
2. Because it was immediately obvious Robin would join, Miss Wednesday was a princess, Upper Yard was part of Jaya, the Skypieans came from the moon, Usopp would eventually defect, the Galley-La workers were evil government agents, Kokoro was a mermaid…yeah I could go on. Punk Hazard, at it's current stance, is premature. You can't say "fuck no it's obvious that you're wrong". I am not convinced that Monet will join no matter what - it's just what has been shown that got me to thinking about it. There is nothing wrong about talking about it, nothing off-topic about it, and it will not harm anyone unless you make a fit about it.
3. I will give you that - my bad.
4. It seems you have a pompous stance on utterly shooting down any speculation on any character joining (that seemed to have stemmed from Camie.) That mermaid is done and we won't see her again for some time - are you going to carry on blabbing about how preposterous it is to have any pondering on a character, if they could join and how they will do? You say you have no problem with discussion on it - that doesn't seem the case. Calling these predictions and speculations "baseless or silly or stupid" is your opinion (but I have to give it you that it is a matter of who [really Caribou joining?]), but for you it seem that any character will and no matter what would come under as baseless and stupid, and speculation of them joining should go in a dumb predictions thread. If you have some bad experience on a former next nakama thread, let it stay there - you don't have to be butthurt about it every time someone starts saying "does x have a chance of joining?" because a discussion is a discussion; if Monet or Kinemon joins or not, we get what we get. Let's move on to the next. There will be no point in these forums if we disprove of discussing these things.
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Anywho, I'm done with the argument above, and I will come back to Monet joining. If Enel's cover story is of any importance, and if there's a chance that either the Straw Hats will go to space, or space will go to them (it's not a stretch!), and maybe the Sky People have any importance in the Void Century, Monet, who has shown great interest in Astronomy (which was pointed out in on the Unofficial Podcast) could be of help. I'm pretty sure that considering with the amount of things to come (let's assume another four sagas will come), we would not be limited to 10 people - that would be silly just to have them only and not have new people. I am not saying Monet is a given, but plain speculation that will, I reiterate, will die out after this arc no matter what outcome we get, will not hurt. I'm just thinking it would be awesome to have an Astronomer. We already have an Archaeologist, and we were supposed to get a botanist (though, you can say Usopp is now both a sniper and a botanist), so an Astronomer wouldn't be a stretch.
While we're on the subject, I suppose I can explain my theory on why we'll end up with 11 members total with a woman as the final one. Of course it's not infallible, but I'm confident on the logic behind it.
The crux of my theory is conjecture from the sketches in Databook Green that show Oda's concept art of the crew, both during the planning stages and just before the series started:
As you may have noticed in the circled sections, something or someone was most likely erased, since if it was a future member(s), they wouldn't want to spoil it.
You'll also notice that while Robin is included in the second sketch, the one from just before the series began, she isn't anywhere in the first sketch, nor is there any other girl besides Nami.
My thought comes from simple logic: would Oda, as we know him, ever seriously consider having only ONE woman on his crew? That he might have played his single female trump card within the first few chapters and made all the other members men and the last one that seedy guy or one of those catfish carpenters? (Who, as far as my sensibilities can tell, was gonna be a guy).
If we say that no, he wouldn't, then we're left to ask, where's the other woman? Why couldn't she have been left as the precursor to Robin? That brings me to my other conclusion: if we assume that Oda would have certainly planned more than 1 woman for the crew, then perhaps what changed was instead of only 2 women, he bumped it up to 3.
If that's the case, then it's likely that presumed 2nd woman from the first sketch was a lot closer to the presumed 3rd woman from the second sketch than she was to Robin. In other words, Robin was the one added later on, and Nami and the mystery woman could have originally been the two girls of the otherwise male-heavy group.
And what of the 11-member total, you may ask? Simply put, it's probably Jinbe and that final mystery woman. Right at the beginning Oda had Luffy put in the desire for 10 people. And we now know from Green that Oda had his crew planned out, however roughly, even before the series began; if he didn't plan on a specific number, he probably wouldn't have had Luffy use a specific number, or go on with those "The __th Person" chapter titles. He wants the readers to realize when we've finally hit 10 people plus Luffy; he may decide after that to go for those hundreds of followers Usopp keeps feigning, but until then, 11 total's the minimum. And if you need proof that the 10-member thing likely hasn't changed, just look at Oda's past history of foreshadowing; Haki, Brook and Laboon, Rayleigh, and Jinbe himself are testaments to that.
So no, I don't see Monet or Kin'emon joining. XD
Quoting to notify.
I never realized that there are erased figures - it does seem there were something in the spaces beforehand.
And for the record, Robin replaced the botanist guy behind Nami, which later Usopp kinda took too.
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I just realized - if Monet joins this saga is making me think more and more of Baroque Works. D:
@400MillionBelis:
And for the record, Robin replaced the botanist guy behind Nami, which later Usopp kinda took too.
Just wondering, does that analysis have something to do with the caption on the bottom left? I can see Robin's name but I can't make out more than that.
The whole thing is here, so it'd be great if someone could actually translate it:
I will instantly know our last crew mate the panel she pulls out a giant battle ax.
It's funny, between Luffy and Zoro it looks like cleavage and collar bones to me.
WARNING(wild speculation): If Koala reappears, she's gonna be the next crewmember.
I will instantly know our last crew mate the panel she pulls out a giant battle ax.
If she does, I'll be right behind you.
I'm a follower of the Boy-Girl-Boy-Boy belief.
Zoro-Nami-Usopp-Sanji The East Blue Crew Members
Chopper-Robin-Franky-Brooke The Grand Line Crew Members
Male-Female-Male-Male The New World Crew Members
So yeah, I think the "At least 10" means exactly that. Ten is the minimum number of crewmates he'll need to get through, but not the maximum number that he'll recruit.
! Now then… let's look at how Oda filled out the ranks of the Strawhats. The interesting thing, I think, is that he started with two of the strongest crewmembers joining. Luffy and Zoro are the muscle of the team, and generally represent the greatest threat to their opponents. From there, we recruited two of the weakest members. Usopp and Nami are intelligent, but they mostly rely on range, trickery and their increasingly powerful/versatile weapons to win fights. He capped off the crew in East Blue with the final member of the Monster Trio, giving them one desperate situation where they are saved from the Marines by the intervention of a powerful member of the Revolutionary Army before setting sail.
! In the Grandline, Chopper was recruited, rounding out the "weakling trio" while actually being a bit more competent and reliable than Usopp and Nami. But he still basically fights like they do. It's just that instead of setting up traps, he seeks the enemy's weakness and then uses his forms to exploit it. After Chopper, we got Robin, Franky and Brooke. All are capable fighters who can be relied upon, typically with a single small weakness. Robin's grappling was initially weak against larger opponents, Franky had a limited fuel supply and Brooke didn't have any big damage attacks. Note that the weaker fighters tend to be smarter, with the middle group being skewed the same way. Again, after the crew was assembled for this part of the voyage, they faced a dangerous situation with the Marines, only to be saved by a member of the Revolutionary Army.
! What's my point so far? Well firstly, everyone has moved "up" a ranking. Robin, Franky and Brooke have covered their initial weaknesses and are generally showing combat skills on the level of the pre-timeskip Monster Trio. Usopp, Nami and Chopper are now capable fighters with one single weakness that doesn't typically come into play. The Monster Trio are... ridiculous, and probably roughly on par with Shichibukai. Even if we assume Usopp will always be the weakest crewmember, then what we are looking to fill in are people who were as strong as p-ts Monster Trio or the p-ts middle group, both of which are well explored territory by this point. That's assuming that they still fit in those three orderly tiers, by the way, which I'm not so sure of.
! Secondly, that when we are looking for new Crewmembers, we are going to slot them into one of those three groups first. And since I'm a stickler, I'll also generally not be accepting of something that breaks the boy-girl pattern. So of the Punk Hazard candidates, we have Kinemon and Monet. Kinemon has established himself as being roughly on par with Brooke in straight (slightly crippled) combat, with a few neat tricks to round him out (burning sword, disguises, Observation) that would more or less equate Brooke's neat tricks (freezing sword, illusions, speed). Monet has not established herself as a fighter, and she seems to have a strong intellect, so my instinct is to stick her in the lower tier. Based on the way Oda seems to work, his tendency is to establish the upper and lower tiers, then work inwards when that's done. So we can probably expect one Monster Trio-strength recruit, one Weakling Trio-strength recruit and then two in the middle group. If you consider Jinbe already a member of the crew, this works in Monet's favor. If you don't and then take the position that Kinemon was VERY hampered when he briefly fought Brooke, then it's in his favor, but this locks out Jinbe unless we overstack the crew with heavy hitters.
! But I'm not telling the whole story. See, in addition to the proper crewmembers, there were temporary allies who sailed with the Strawhats. Coby in East Blue, and Vivi in the Grandline. In both cases, they started sailing with the Strawhats before the first crewmember was recruited, and left before the second one joined. In other words, if Oda holds to this generalized pattern, we need someone to sail on the Strawhat's ship with them before we start speculating about a new crewmember joining, and then we need to get rid of this person before we look for the next one. Note that the combat abilities of these two have steadily increased. Coby was barely able to throw a punch, and Vivi was about as tough as Nami or Usopp. If I were to follow the Boy-Girl pattern VERY strictly, I'd note that the first two "not-quite crew" members went Boy-Girl, meaning that we'd be looking for a male to sail with the Strawhats for awhile, but ultimately not join, and that they'd be on the Robin-Franky-Brooke level... like Kinemon.
! Of course, since I'd be following the pattern VERY strictly by that point, it would also mean that AFTER the crew was fully recruited, we'd get someone sailing with the Strawhats but not joining them, probably for the very final story-arc, and that they'd be as strong as the Monster Trio by that point. As pure speculation, I'd say... Aokiji, but the pattern so far is that it's not someone the Strawhats have met before. We also need to have a desperate situation with the Marines, only for a member of the Revolutionary Army to save them... maybe the whole damn army, this time.
! Or the above is just a product of me being too tired and REALLY wanting the new chapter to come out.
Sabo for nakama! :ninja:
From what we've seen so far, it seems to me that Kinemon is the one closest to join the SHs (Luffy personally asked him to join, similar to Brook's case where his decision is based purely on an entertained point of view) but as a lot of people have already mentioned, Oda might pull off a Robin and make Monet join by surprise, who knows.
Kinemon's chance of joining are slightly higher than the Thriller Bark's Cerberus. His interactions with Luffy are also minimal. He also has a poor choice of powers, as fire and swordsmanship are already covered by +2 members.
Monet feels more like she would join Law instead of Luffy, but that's assuming she abandons Doflamingo's crew for whatever reason.
I agree, as I said in my previous post he is the "closest to joining" out of the new characters mentioned, but that does not necessarily make him close to joining, if you know what I mean. However he does seem to have some sort of SH "feel", so I can understand why people expect/think he would join. Either way he has more chance than Monet
I honestly think no one will join for now. I feel like if the straw hats get another crewmate, it will be after the Jinbe's thing is solved… Whether he joins or not.
Monet feels more like she would join Law instead of Luffy, but that's assuming she abandons Doflamingo's crew for whatever reason.
I think people are over-estimating Monet here. I seriously doubt Law would ever let her on his crew, let alone trust her at all. She's shown absolutely no signs of being anything other than a loyal subordinate of Doflamingo, and is now shown to be personally responsible for Law's capture because Law underestimated her. It would be an awkward conversation to say the least.
"Hey captain, remember that time I secretly followed you outside to where you were plotting to capture my boss, then alerted that fact to Wergo who proceeded to punch your heart until you passed out? Wasn't that fun?"
Don't get me wrong, I think Law would love to have someone with her skills in his crew. Its just that real people (unlike the SH) don't make friends out of enemies that easily, particularly out of ones who are good at spying on people.
Kinemon's chance of joining are slightly higher than the Thriller Bark's Cerberus. His interactions with Luffy are also minimal. He also has a poor choice of powers, as fire and swordsmanship are already covered by +2 members.
Monet feels more like she would join Law instead of Luffy, but that's assuming she abandons Doflamingo's crew for whatever reason.
Iv'e said this and I was met with "SWORDS ARE COOL, blah blah blah Jinbe!!!!!!!!!!" But yeah Monet gives me a Robin vibe, but she could just as easily join Law, whatever.
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I think people are over-estimating Monet here. I seriously doubt Law would ever let her on his crew, let alone trust her at all. She's shown absolutely no signs of being anything other than a loyal subordinate of Doflamingo, and is now shown to be personally responsible for Law's capture because Law underestimated her. It would be an awkward conversation to say the least.
"Hey captain, remember that time I secretly followed you outside to where you were plotting to capture my boss, then alerted that fact to Wergo who proceeded to punch your heart until you passed out? Wasn't that fun?"
Don't get me wrong, I think Law would love to have someone with her skills in his crew. Its just that real people (unlike the SH) don't make friends out of enemies that easily, particularly out of ones who are good at spying on people.
This is a Japanese comic book based on fictional characters. :/
I think people are over-estimating Monet here. I seriously doubt Law would ever let her on his crew, let alone trust her at all. She's shown absolutely no signs of being anything other than a loyal subordinate of Doflamingo, and is now shown to be personally responsible for Law's capture because Law underestimated her. It would be an awkward conversation to say the least.
"Hey captain, remember that time I secretly followed you outside to where you were plotting to capture my boss, then alerted that fact to Wergo who proceeded to punch your heart until you passed out? Wasn't that fun?"
Don't get me wrong, I think Law would love to have someone with her skills in his crew. Its just that real people (unlike the SH) don't make friends out of enemies that easily, particularly out of ones who are good at spying on people.
Robin doesn't exist in that sense, doesn't she?
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EDIT: And I have an urging idea that Jinbei will probably get killed. Somehow.
Kinemon's chance of joining are slightly higher than the Thriller Bark's Cerberus. His interactions with Luffy are also minimal. He also has a poor choice of powers, as fire and swordsmanship are already covered by +2 members.
Monet feels more like she would join Law instead of Luffy, but that's assuming she abandons Doflamingo's crew for whatever reason.
You mean like Luffy's interaction with Franky at first… Oh wait they fought against each other and later on he was only interacting with Sanji, Robin and Usopp for a long time before Luffy interacted with him after all the trouble.
Not even talking about the fighting style bullshit. Already discussed to death and to each one their own
Not even saying he will join, cuz he still has his son and I think Wano will come as well
@400MillionBelis:
EDIT: And I have an urging idea that Jinbei will probably get killed. Somehow.
You must like Jinbei fans hounding on you.
@Superbear:
This is a Japanese comic book based on fictional characters. :/
Yeah, but Law is far closer to "Real Person" than he is to Luffy-level naivety
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@400MillionBelis:
Robin doesn't exist in that sense, doesn't she?
No, I was just pointing out that Law would be far more skeptical of Monet than Luffy was of Robin.
I think Monet has a chance to be on the strawhat crew for the potential of what position she would take.
Luffy = captain
Zoro = first mate
Nami = navigator
Usopp = Sniper
Sanji = cook
Chopper = doctor
Robin = archaeologist
Franky = shipwright
Brook = musician
Monet = lookout
wikipedia-"A lookout or look-out is a person on a ship in charge of the observation of the sea for hazards, other ships, land, etc. Lookouts report anything they see and or hear."
we see that she acts as a scout for CC and is able to dig up information about people seemingly with ease
wikipedia-"Lookouts have been traditionally placed in high on masts, in crow's nests and tops."
"crows nest"? sounds perfect for a bird/harpy like Monet
wikipedia-"Every vessel must at all times keep a proper look-out by sight (day shape or lights by eyes or visual aids), hearing (sound signal or Marine VHF radio) and all available means"
*We know she carries a baby den den mushi with her.
*She must be far sighted due to those glasses she always wears when reading.
*I expect there to be some sort of conflict between Monet and Zoro similar to what Franky and Usopp had, For the fact that Zoro, being one of the strongest members can't and Hasn't been able to watch the ship all of the time. Not to mention the fact that she can fly.
With all that said, I think Monet(whether she'll be a Mugiwara or not) is going to play an important role in the future from the way she was introduced. It seems to me that Oda has been building her up since the beginning of punk hazard and She fits the open spot in the stawhat crew Easily.
You must like Jinbei fans hounding on you.
Hey, it's a possibility. It doesn't I like the idea.
No, I was just pointing out that Law would be far more skeptical of Monet than Luffy was of Robin.
Yes - I know you're talking about Law, but I'm coming from Luffy's point of view. Since I don't get what you mean "by overestimating".
I think Monet has a chance to be on the strawhat crew for the potential of what position she would take.
Luffy = captain
Zoro = first mate
Nami = navigator
Usopp = Sniper
Sanji = cook
Chopper = doctor
Robin = archaeologist
Franky = shipwright
Brook = musician
Monet = lookout
1. I don't think they need a lookout.
2. Monet has shown interest in astrology. The most she could be is an astronomer.
@400MillionBelis:
1. I don't think they need a lookout.
2. Monet has shown interest in astrology. The most she could be is an astronomer.
Why wouldn't a pirate crew need a lookout? and even if they didn't need one, what need does a pirate crew have of a astrologer?
Lookout>astrologer.
As far as I'm concerned, she can research all the astrology she likes while she's the lookout.
Monet won't join. :ninja:
Oda just sent me a text message. :ninja:
But Monet and Zoro has the same color theme. If that even counts as a conflict. Well they may need a lookout considering they're in the New World now and can't afford to put their guard down at any moment. And being an astrologist could be a huge contributor to the story judging by the roles of the winged people and Enel finding some huge stuff in the moon. We'll see how this goes.
Why wouldn't a pirate crew need a lookout? and even if they didn't need one, what need does a pirate crew have of a astrologer?
Lookout>astrologer.As far as I'm concerned, she can research all the astrology she likes while she's the lookout.
1. Let me rephrase that - they need a lookout as much as they need a cabin boy.
2. Yes - why does a Pirate crew need an astrologer - someone who studies the influences of heavily bodies - like constellations - on humans?
3. Monet is an astronomer.
4. And since when does a pirate crew need an archaeologist?
5. You know, they can go to space one day. It's not a stretch.
6. We know from Eneru's Great Space Operations that there we're people from the moon. From all we know, the Sky People are a huge part of the Void Century.
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But Monet and Zoro has the same color theme. If that even counts as a conflict.
Monet's is Lime Green. Zoro's is plain green.
@400MillionBelis:
1. Let me rephrase that - they need a lookout as much as they need a cabin boy.
2. Yes - why does a Pirate crew need an astrologer - someone who studies the influences of heavily bodies - like constellations - on humans?
3. Monet is an astronomer.
4. And since when does a pirate crew need an archaeologist?
5. You know, they can go to space one day. It's not a stretch.
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1. LMAO, I can't believe you just said a crew needs a CABIN BOY as much as a look out. Do you not understand that the straw hats ship was in danger many times due to zoro not being there? do you not understand that the lookout is able to warn the crew of hazards that come from the sea? Lol a lookout is VERY important to the safety of a pirate crew.
2. Wasn't Astrology what you said?
3. Again,thats what YOU said and I didn't look into her interests that much, so I wouldn't know whether she was an astronomer or Astrologer but it doesn't matter because she would function with BOTH of those tasks if she joined.
4.Ummmm….I never argued that a crew needs an archaeologist. but it still stands that a lookout>archaeologist/astronomer/astrologer for a PIRATE CREW
5. yes they can but that does nothing to serve the functions of a PIRATE CREW.
6. this is actually a good point and could go toward the overall plot of One piece just like robin's Archaeology but it doesn't matter because she would serve the function of lookout either way if she joined.
When did this become the new Nakamates thread?
1. LMAO, I can't believe you just said a crew needs a CABIN BOY as much as a look out. Do you not understand that the straw hats ship was in danger many times due to zoro not being there? do you not understand that the lookout is able to warn the crew of hazards that come from the sea? Lol a lookout is VERY important to the safety of a pirate crew.
2. Wasn't Astrology what you said?
3. Again,thats what YOU said and I didn't look into her interests that much, so I wouldn't know whether she was an astronomer or Astrologer but it doesn't matter because she would function with BOTH of those tasks if she joined.
4.Ummmm….I never argued that a crew needs an archaeologist. but it still stands that a lookout>archaeologist/astronomer/astrologer for a PIRATE CREW
5. yes they can but that does nothing to serve the functions of a PIRATE CREW.
6. this is actually a good point and could go toward the overall plot of One piece just like robin's Archaeology but it doesn't matter because she would serve the function of lookout either way if she joined.
1. You do know that they change shifts during looking out right?
2-3. Oh, sorry, my bad - I meant astronomy. I feel bad now after having a whole hour discussion with my science teacher about the difference. Again, my bad. And no, Monet wouldn't come under both as each study is different from each other; at least, their goals.
What I'm trying to say is all of them are lookouts. Basically, changing shifts whenever they can. And Monet is always engrossed in books, like Robin, and Robin didn't do much great at being a lookout.
When did this become the new Nakamates thread?
It isn't off-topic, isn't it?
@400MillionBelis:
1. You do know that they change shifts during looking out right?
2-3. Oh, sorry, my bad - I meant astronomy. I feel bad now after having a whole hour discussion with my science teacher about the difference. Again, my bad. And no, Monet wouldn't come under both as each study is different from each other; at least, their goals.What I'm trying to say is all of them are lookouts. Basically, changing shifts whenever they can. And Monet is always engrossed in books, like Robin, and Robin didn't do much great at being a lookout.
Well sure they all look out sometimes but Zoro is the main one that is charged with the task of looking out since they don't have an official one. Zoro is almost always the one that looks out for the ship. He's always sleep but he's a light sleeper and we've known this since whiskey peak.
Zoro's workout room is also in the Crows nest, which is the Ideal place for being a lookout.
Remember when Perona almost stole the ship due to luffy wanting zoro to come with him but didn't due to Kuma.
I don't think it matters that she's into books because she's always aware of whats happening around her, it seems. Astronomy mostly requires looking into the sky and when she's looking into the sky it would be easier to see hazards at sea also and it would be helpful if they ever DO travel to the moon.
Nami, as a navigator, is at the very least, a skilled astronomer, able to identify heading and seasons based on the positions of the stars. In other words, for practical purposes, she fits the role.
Now, if you are of the opinion that Eneru's space stuff will become important then it is a strong point in Monet joining… but it's not like she ONLY reads books on astronomy, so it's likely she's just a biblophile who's taking advantage of Caeser's very large library.
If we didn't already have a game character that was a Paper Logia, that would be my guess for her.
OH! I just remembered that this thing exists…
And like I said before, we'll probably get someone who is on the Sunny Go for a bit without being a proper Crewmember, then we'll recruit a proper Crewmember, and the previous companion will leave the ship before the second Crewmember will join. That's been the pattern for the series so far... though two occurences is sort of a weak pattern.
Nami, as a navigator, is at the very least, a skilled astronomer, able to identify heading and seasons based on the positions of the stars. In other words, for practical purposes, she fits the role.
She's a meteorologist - not an astronomer. Astronomers study the celestial matter, like planets, stars, etc. Meteorologists study weather phenomena. Nami may use the stars as a guide, but it in no means she becomes an astronomer.
I'm only replying to this, because I can't make out head and tail of what you mean with the other stuff you said. (Don't take this the wrong way; here's the appropriate emoticon: :s)
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To not make this a thread about Monet, I'm wondering - will the Straw Hat's interaction with Gaimon ever come into play? I mean, everything, sans mini-series, has somehow affected the future of the Straw Hats. Yet, it seems really odd that their time at the Island of Rare Animals is never revisited (sans Buggy's Mini-Arc) in future plots. I don't know - it's just that Laboon's story affected the future, and it's just makes me wonder if Gaimon's will play a role too.
@400MillionBelis:
It isn't off-topic, isn't it?
Not necessary, but it seems like the "This character should join for this reason" debate is starting to overwhelm the thread. Just my 2 cents.
Monet will be joining law's crew and law will be a ally of the strawhat's which makes her one as well not everyone has to join the crew to fight big enemy's with the strawhat's!
I'm a follower of the Boy-Girl-Boy-Boy belief.
Zoro-Nami-Usopp-Sanji The East Blue Crew Members
Chopper-Robin-Franky-Brooke The Grand Line Crew Members
Male-Female-Male-Male The New World Crew MembersSo yeah, I think the "At least 10" means exactly that. Ten is the minimum number of crewmates he'll need to get through, but not the maximum number that he'll recruit.
! Now then… let's look at how Oda filled out the ranks of the Strawhats. The interesting thing, I think, is that he started with two of the strongest crewmembers joining. Luffy and Zoro are the muscle of the team, and generally represent the greatest threat to their opponents. From there, we recruited two of the weakest members. Usopp and Nami are intelligent, but they mostly rely on range, trickery and their increasingly powerful/versatile weapons to win fights. He capped off the crew in East Blue with the final member of the Monster Trio, giving them one desperate situation where they are saved from the Marines by the intervention of a powerful member of the Revolutionary Army before setting sail.
! In the Grandline, Chopper was recruited, rounding out the "weakling trio" while actually being a bit more competent and reliable than Usopp and Nami. But he still basically fights like they do. It's just that instead of setting up traps, he seeks the enemy's weakness and then uses his forms to exploit it. After Chopper, we got Robin, Franky and Brooke. All are capable fighters who can be relied upon, typically with a single small weakness. Robin's grappling was initially weak against larger opponents, Franky had a limited fuel supply and Brooke didn't have any big damage attacks. Note that the weaker fighters tend to be smarter, with the middle group being skewed the same way. Again, after the crew was assembled for this part of the voyage, they faced a dangerous situation with the Marines, only to be saved by a member of the Revolutionary Army.
! What's my point so far? Well firstly, everyone has moved "up" a ranking. Robin, Franky and Brooke have covered their initial weaknesses and are generally showing combat skills on the level of the pre-timeskip Monster Trio. Usopp, Nami and Chopper are now capable fighters with one single weakness that doesn't typically come into play. The Monster Trio are... ridiculous, and probably roughly on par with Shichibukai. Even if we assume Usopp will always be the weakest crewmember, then what we are looking to fill in are people who were as strong as p-ts Monster Trio or the p-ts middle group, both of which are well explored territory by this point. That's assuming that they still fit in those three orderly tiers, by the way, which I'm not so sure of.
! Secondly, that when we are looking for new Crewmembers, we are going to slot them into one of those three groups first. And since I'm a stickler, I'll also generally not be accepting of something that breaks the boy-girl pattern. So of the Punk Hazard candidates, we have Kinemon and Monet. Kinemon has established himself as being roughly on par with Brooke in straight (slightly crippled) combat, with a few neat tricks to round him out (burning sword, disguises, Observation) that would more or less equate Brooke's neat tricks (freezing sword, illusions, speed). Monet has not established herself as a fighter, and she seems to have a strong intellect, so my instinct is to stick her in the lower tier. Based on the way Oda seems to work, his tendency is to establish the upper and lower tiers, then work inwards when that's done. So we can probably expect one Monster Trio-strength recruit, one Weakling Trio-strength recruit and then two in the middle group. If you consider Jinbe already a member of the crew, this works in Monet's favor. If you don't and then take the position that Kinemon was VERY hampered when he briefly fought Brooke, then it's in his favor, but this locks out Jinbe unless we overstack the crew with heavy hitters.
! But I'm not telling the whole story. See, in addition to the proper crewmembers, there were temporary allies who sailed with the Strawhats. Coby in East Blue, and Vivi in the Grandline. In both cases, they started sailing with the Strawhats before the first crewmember was recruited, and left before the second one joined. In other words, if Oda holds to this generalized pattern, we need someone to sail on the Strawhat's ship with them before we start speculating about a new crewmember joining, and then we need to get rid of this person before we look for the next one. Note that the combat abilities of these two have steadily increased. Coby was barely able to throw a punch, and Vivi was about as tough as Nami or Usopp. If I were to follow the Boy-Girl pattern VERY strictly, I'd note that the first two "not-quite crew" members went Boy-Girl, meaning that we'd be looking for a male to sail with the Strawhats for awhile, but ultimately not join, and that they'd be on the Robin-Franky-Brooke level... like Kinemon.
! Of course, since I'd be following the pattern VERY strictly by that point, it would also mean that AFTER the crew was fully recruited, we'd get someone sailing with the Strawhats but not joining them, probably for the very final story-arc, and that they'd be as strong as the Monster Trio by that point. As pure speculation, I'd say... Aokiji, but the pattern so far is that it's not someone the Strawhats have met before. We also need to have a desperate situation with the Marines, only for a member of the Revolutionary Army to save them... maybe the whole damn army, this time.
! Or the above is just a product of me being too tired and REALLY wanting the new chapter to come out.
well even if he recruits 10 the crew will have 11 members including luffy also vivi+carue are former members plus they will get help from their allies in the final battle so it will not only be the straw hat crew vs the world govt+marines+warlords also we don't know how many of the 7 warlords will be on the strawhat's side
@400MillionBelis:
She's a meteorologist - not an astronomer. Astronomers study the celestial matter, like planets, stars, etc. Meteorologists study weather phenomena. Nami may use the stars as a guide, but it in no means she becomes an astronomer.
I'm only replying to this, because I can't make out head and tail of what you mean with the other stuff you said. (Don't take this the wrong way; here's the appropriate emoticon: :s)
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To not make this a thread about Monet, I'm wondering - will the Straw Hat's interaction with Gaimon ever come into play? I mean, everything, sans mini-series, has somehow affected the future of the Straw Hats. Yet, it seems really odd that their time at the Island of Rare Animals is never revisited (sans Buggy's Mini-Arc) in future plots. I don't know - it's just that Laboon's story affected the future, and it's just makes me wonder if Gaimon's will play a role too.
Yeah, I jumped topics a few times… anyway, my point is, for someone to be a proper astronomer, they'd need to be in a set location (ideally high up with little cloud coverage), with all the proper equipment. Even the slightest adjustment to a telescope's positioning can ruin weeks of work. The Strawhats have Nami for the parts of astronomy that are directly relevant to being on a ship.
Then I started thinking about Devil Fruits for Monet. Since she's always reading, and Law wanted her help in finding something in the library, I was thinking about a paper-based Devil Fruit, but then recalled that a One Piece video game enemy had one. The link after that was to a Harpy Eagle, which I am currently backing as her likely ability.
Finally, I gave a reference to a previous (very long) post I had made in this thread, where I speculated that the recruitment in the New World would follow the pattern of the first two 'legs' of the journey, and that we'd have a "guest" on the crew before Luffy properly recruited someone.
@Law of the Sea. Vivi and Carue aren't considered part of the official lineup. We know that because when Franky joined, he was the "eighth." Though I do believe that the various nations the Strawhats have befriended will ultimately side with them, against the World Government/Whoever.
@Law of the Sea. Vivi and Carue aren't considered part of the official lineup. We know that because when Franky joined, he was the "eighth." Though I do believe that the various nations the Strawhats have befriended will ultimately side with them, against the World Government/Whoever.
seventh, Brook was the eighth.