Naruto and Bleach II: I don't have the heart to care anymore.

Megadoomer

Some of those additional gripes, since they scroll by too fast to read.

-why is it a bad thing for Ikkaku to hide his Bankai when Sasakibe got praised for doing so?
-if Aizen is immortal, what's the point of giving him a prison sentence?
-when are we going to find out if Zaraki learned the name of his sword?
-why don't we get to see what happened to Grimmjow after Nnoitora dies?
-Ichimaru seriously never got a chance to grab Kyoka Suigetsu before Aizen turned into a butterfly?
-why doesn't Kubo ever explain if and how the good guys got their arms back?
-if Shinigami become stronger when their souls match their zanpaktos', why was Ichigo getting stronger when he and Zangetsu/his Hollow were in conflict?
-if you're reading this, you paused the video. Come on, keep it moving
-why is Yamamoto so bad at his job?
-why is the UlquiHime fandom a thing that actually exists?
-why did so few people use their Bankai in the fight with Aizen?
-what was with that bullshit "I'm really the Cero Espada" twist?
-why does Kubo keep having Rukia make dramatic returns instead of just having her stick around?
-why isn't this series just about the Karakura Superheroes?
-when are we going to learn about Isshin's backstory?
-why doesn't Kon get to do anything outside of being the series' mascot?
-what was the point of Ichigo's friends learning he was a Shinigami?
-when are we going to get to see just how horrifyingly powerful Yachiru is?

Anything new in there to discuss?

Gliblord

@Nobodyman:

Not to mention Ichigo could've warned them minutes earlier instead of waiting till it was too late.

Dude literally controls all perceptions. Including muting Ichigo's warning into nothing.

KaizokuJinbei

@Megadoomer:

Some of those additional gripes, since they scroll by too fast to read.

-why is it a bad thing for Ikkaku to hide his Bankai when Sasakibe got praised for doing so?
-if Aizen is immortal, what's the point of giving him a prison sentence?
-when are we going to find out if Zaraki learned the name of his sword?
-why don't we get to see what happened to Grimmjow after Nnoitora dies?
-Ichimaru seriously never got a chance to grab Kyoka Suigetsu before Aizen turned into a butterfly?
-why doesn't Kubo ever explain if and how the good guys got their arms back?
-if Shinigami become stronger when their souls match their zanpaktos', why was Ichigo getting stronger when he and Zangetsu/his Hollow were in conflict?
-if you're reading this, you paused the video. Come on, keep it moving
-why is Yamamoto so bad at his job?
-why is the UlquiHime fandom a thing that actually exists?
-why did so few people use their Bankai in the fight with Aizen?
-what was with that bullshit "I'm really the Cero Espada" twist?
-why does Kubo keep having Rukia make dramatic returns instead of just having her stick around?
-why isn't this series just about the Karakura Superheroes?
-when are we going to learn about Isshin's backstory?
-why doesn't Kon get to do anything outside of being the series' mascot?
-what was the point of Ichigo's friends learning he was a Shinigami?
-when are we going to get to see just how horrifyingly powerful Yachiru is?

Anything new in there to discuss?

Don't worry they will get a spin off series like Rock lee did and it will be better than the main series.

Pookiez

@KaizokuJinbei:

Don't worry they will get a sin off series like Rock lee did and it will be better than the main series.

Probably unintentional, but it made me chuckle.

Nobodyman

@Gliblord:

Dude literally controls all perceptions. Including muting Ichigo's warning into nothing.

And I could buy that, but the way it was presented made it look like Ichigo didn't even attempt to warn them until after they stabbed her.

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@Pookiez:

Probably unintentional, but it made me chuckle.

Well, of course. This series is so bad that any spin off of it would instead have to be called a "sin-off" series.

KaizokuJinbei

@Pookiez:

Probably unintentional, but it made me chuckle.

Lol yeah it was unintentional but works all the same LOL.

Robby

@Nobodyman:

Not to mention Ichigo could've warned them minutes earlier instead of waiting till it was too late.

Aizen's illusion blocking it works as an explanation for me.

Ichigo was yelling a the top of his lungs the whole time, and no one heard him.

Aizen just let it go through after it was amusing.

Cyclone_Baroness

@RobbyBevard:

Actually, I heard an explanaiton about that that totally covers that for me.

Aizen's illusion gets all senses.

Ichigo was yelling a the top of his lungs the whole time, and no one heard him.

Aizen just let it go through after it was amusing.

Was that a fan theory or Kubo actually explaining something?

AlucarDraculA

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Was that a fan theory or Kubo actually explaining something?

It is not explicitly said but that is the only thing that makes sense.

If you are just talking about the sword's power, then yes it does deceive all senses.

Nobodyman

@RobbyBevard:

Aizen's illusion blocking it works as an explanation for me.

Ichigo was yelling a the top of his lungs the whole time, and no one heard him.

Aizen just let it go through after it was amusing.

Okay, so I guess you guys suddenly became okay with this without me knowing me it.

Honestly, doesn't anyone remember that Slowpoke comic? Also, read my reply to Gliblord, Robby.

Hisoga

@RobbyBevard:

Aizen's illusion blocking it works as an explanation for me.

Ichigo was yelling a the top of his lungs the whole time, and no one heard him.

Aizen just let it go through after it was amusing.

but it still doesn't explained why Ichigo didn't just blocked or stop the battle when he saw his allied tried to kill each others. Ichigo was supposed to have super speed bankai. and he is super strong and the only hope SS got to defeat Aizen which was stated by Unohana before she and Ichigo arrived at the battlefield. and I don't really remembered if Unohana ever told Ichigo regarding Aizen illusion power. so Ichigo at least had some idea what was exactly happened at that time. so, just standing there shouting is completely retarded. but maybe Unohana didn't tell him anything like most of the characters in Bleach. they just keep quiet about everything important.

Venomous Warden

Heres Y ruler of time's second part of his video on the downfall of bleach

Downfall of bleach part 2

Monkey_D._Nami

NARUTO MANGA 587 SPOILER PICS!!
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http://mangas-legacy.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=652](http://mangas-legacy.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=652)

ceazydom

Buckbeard appears in front of the new Aizen at the end of this Bleach chapter according to the spoilers.

How…suspicious.

No Maam

@The:

He….liked that? Even amongst all the Deicide nonsense bullshittery, that moment just stood out as incredibly stupid. It made no sense, like at all - Hinamori has just been manhandled by Allon and is comatose -only suddenly she has taken Aizens place, and are fighting the captains? Err what?
a) Aizen can't mind control people
b) Who WAS fighting the captains if Aizen was off doing whatever? Lethal warrior Hinamori?

You underestimate the terror that is Hinamori.

She'll be there getting stabbed by you in the chest when you least expect it !

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@Cyclone_Baroness:

I just realized I had been reading the word Deicide as Decide…What the hell is deicide?

Didn't we have this exact same question like five times during Deicide ?

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@Megadoomer:

Some of those additional gripes, since they scroll by too fast to read.

-why is it a bad thing for Ikkaku to hide his Bankai when Sasakibe got praised for doing so?
-if Aizen is immortal, what's the point of giving him a prison sentence?
-when are we going to find out if Zaraki learned the name of his sword?
-why don't we get to see what happened to Grimmjow after Nnoitora dies?
-Ichimaru seriously never got a chance to grab Kyoka Suigetsu before Aizen turned into a butterfly?
-why doesn't Kubo ever explain if and how the good guys got their arms back?
-if Shinigami become stronger when their souls match their zanpaktos', why was Ichigo getting stronger when he and Zangetsu/his Hollow were in conflict?
-if you're reading this, you paused the video. Come on, keep it moving
-why is Yamamoto so bad at his job?
-why is the UlquiHime fandom a thing that actually exists?
-why did so few people use their Bankai in the fight with Aizen?
-what was with that bullshit "I'm really the Cero Espada" twist?
-why does Kubo keep having Rukia make dramatic returns instead of just having her stick around?
-why isn't this series just about the Karakura Superheroes?
-when are we going to learn about Isshin's backstory?
-why doesn't Kon get to do anything outside of being the series' mascot?
-what was the point of Ichigo's friends learning he was a Shinigami?
-when are we going to get to see just how horrifyingly powerful Yachiru is?

Anything new in there to discuss?

I'm gonna comment and post the Hollow soul count, just to point out just HOW bad Yamamoto is at his job.

NomurquotSteelBladequotEtels

The new Naruto chapter's out.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/587

…I'm sorry, I zoned out from that long exposition dump regarding Izanami and Izanagi. Does Kishi still expect us to feel sympathy for Kabuto?

Daz

Itachi: And now I will stop Edo Tensei!

…and then I will end world hunger!

And stop global warming!

And Cure AIDS!

...um, don't do everything yourself, I'm not perfect, mumble mumble

Crossword

With Kabuto's raging over not being acknowledged in the end there, I would think the fact that he got chosen to go on these dangerous spying missions to begin with was acknowledgement of some sort. Surely his superiors recognized that there was something in him that put him above the other candidates, right?

Jabra

Okay, I admit I didn't try to understand Kishi's explanation of Izanami.

However, there is one thing I don't get about the intention of the spell.

Itachi mentions that it was used to prevent Uchia's from becoming arrogant pricks (the ironie…) because they had the ability to change destiny. But, how can you become arrogant and over-confident when the first use completely cripples your combat abilities? Each Uchiha has 2 "charges" of Izanagi, and then its over. You can't even identify them as an Uchiha anymore, since the eyes are gone.
I don't understand

zxcv11791

@Jabra:

Okay, I admit I didn't try to understand Kishi's explanation of Izanami.

However, there is one thing I don't get about the intention of the spell.

Itachi mentions that it was used to prevent Uchia's from becoming arrogant pricks (the ironie…) because they had the ability to change destiny. But, how can you become arrogant and over-confident when the first use completely cripples your combat abilities? Each Uchiha has 2 "charges" of Izanagi, and then its over. You can't even identify them as an Uchiha anymore, since the eyes are gone.
I don't understand

Yea I didn't really get that either. At first I thought with an EMS you maybe could escape losing your eyesight but at that time only Madara had one. Maybe the Uchiha had a whole bunch of eyes reserved on a freezer somewhere so they can replace eyes lost with Izanagi.

No Maam

From NF's Bleach section

It's kinda clever, actualy.

Jabra

@zxcv11791:

Maybe the Uchiha had a whole bunch of eyes reserved on a freezer somewhere so they can replace eyes lost with Izanagi.

Hm, good point.
I'm not sure if that was anime only, but Madara/Tobi was once shown in a lab with dozens of Sharingan's in jars.

Edit:
Found it:

!

Something else, why did Itachi loose his eyesight? Shouldn't his edo tensei'd body immediatly cure the damage? I know it works on hax eyes, after all Nagato's Rinnegan regenerated as well?

Hisoga

kishi make it sound like every Uchiha can activate Mangekyou Sharingan.. i thought that sharingan level is very rare..

baby-boo

Bleach be out!

Ehh …

Kubo actually showed the title of the chapter at page fifteen.

ceazydom

Itachi's reasoning for why Izanami was created makes NO SENSE. To use Izanagi it's been stated countless times you need Senju DNA in addition to Uchiha DNA. How many Uchiha's had Senju DNA exactly that they were all using Izanagi?

Shuhan

http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/493

http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/493 - for US readers

Bleach…

zxcv11791

@Jabra:

Hm, good point.
I'm not sure if that was anime only, but Madara/Tobi was once shown in a lab with dozens of Sharingan's in jars.

Edit:
Found it:

! http://i35.tinypic.com/2vl1un7.jpg

Something else, why did Itachi loose his eyesight? Shouldn't his edo tensei'd body immediatly cure the damage? I know it works on hax eyes, after all Nagato's Rinnegan regenerated as well?

Ah yea that didn't really make sense either, though Kishi might probably just say Izanami's effect is just stronger than edo tensei or something.

Edit:

Typical Bleach, another powerup transformation just a chapter after revealing another powerup.

1Cocktail4u

"Wars are really tough".
Kubo: Hell yeah, i made a badass line for this week's chapter too.

Shuhan

@ceazydom:

Itachi's reasoning for why Izanami was created makes NO SENSE. To use Izanagi it's been stated countless times you need Senju DNA in addition to Uchiha DNA. How many Uchiha's had Senju DNA exactly that they were all using Izanagi?

Hence the reason for the assassination of the clan I guess…The idea that Uchiha's regularly take each others eyes proves that they weren't above exchanging eyes regularly.

Megadoomer

Only good thing about Bleach's chapter (IMO) was this page making the angel!Nazi!Quincy look genuinely freaky (as opposed to Aizen's final form, which lost a lot of its impact since it had three Hollow holes for no reason and it still had the butterfly wings). The chapter was still bad since every single person aside from Ichigo was treated as being completely worthless, but there's at least one upside this week, which is more than usual.

Kizuchan

Both chapters were meh.

All I get about Izanami is that it traps the opponent in an endless genjutsu which only the victim can break and you only need a few lines/text bubbles to explain that not a whole chapter.

Gotta love how the title for Bleach is practically at the end of the chapter and the only thing with "muda" I know is the attack thing from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, which I don't know much about either, aside from the meme stuff. The chapter itself…the quincy are really broken if they can just absorb all reishi like that, Ayon was pretty much fodder, though. I'm also annoyed that Orihime and Chad are cast aside once again.

Shuhan

@Jabra:

Something else, why did Itachi loose his eyesight? Shouldn't his edo tensei'd body immediatly cure the damage? I know it works on hax eyes, after all Nagato's Rinnegan regenerated as well?

It's possible that since it is an eye technique that it isn't covered by the Edo Tensei Health plan. EdoTensei seems to rebuild you from external damage and all that, but eye techniques are internal and really kinda irreversible, even if your dead. But that's inconsequential since these are probably live eyes and not dead ones since Sasuke has Itatchi's original eyes.

When did the Rinnigan regenerate? I forget.

NomurquotSteelBladequotEtels

Okay, villains in Bleach make everything the heroes throw at them seem inconsequential (aside from Ichigo again), but I'll admit, the Quinzi's form after he absorbed Ayon was really freaky. In fact, that ability itself is pretty inventive, too. If we weren't stuck with Kubo as a writer, that kind of ability could be something to actually give a rat's ass about.

Though I have to say, if the Quincies could do that sort of thing right from the get-go, then I think maybe that'd be something that Soul Society might have wanted to inform everyone about right from the start. At least Mayuri murdering the majority of the Quincies would be kind of justifiable if they knew that they could all turn into horrific freaks of nature like that.

Jabra

@Shuhan:

It's possible that since it is an eye technique that it isn't covered by the Edo Tensei Health plan. EdoTensei seems to rebuild you from external damage and all that, but eye techniques are internal and really kinda irreversible, even if your dead. But that's inconsequential since these are probably live eyes and not dead ones since Sasuke has Itatchi's original eyes.

When did the Rinnigan regenerate? I forget.

Itachi overused his Magekyo when he was still alive to the point that he couldn't see a thing, especially in his last fight against Sasuke with Susanoo. His eyes are perfectly fine after being edo-tensei'd tho! So it cures even the hax-soul-mambo-jambo-whatever damage. Now we could say that Kabuto gave him new eyes from Madara's "Sharingan in a jar" - collection, but he doesn't have to because, and that brings me to the Rinnegan:

Edo Tensei re-creates eyes. Madara completely removed the Rinnegan's from Nagato's body, but his edo-tensei'd form has them back (and he can use Rinnegan-only techniques like this rock-magnet or whatever that was).

Whatever, this is getting really confusing.

As to Bleach, okay chapter for Bleach standards, the Gestapo Quincy is cool, the new transformation looks somewhat interesting - and the concept could lead to some entertaining results.

Edit:

Also, "Sklaverei" doesn't mean "holy slave" - it is simply "slavery"

maxterdexter

@Kizuchan:

Both chapters were meh.

All I get about Izanami is that it traps the opponent in an endless genjutsu which only the victim can break and you only need a few lines/text bubbles to explain that not a whole chapter.

Gotta love how the title for Bleach is practically at the end of the chapter and the only thing with "muda" I know is the attack thing from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, which I don't know much about either, aside from the meme stuff. The chapter itself…the quincy are really broken if they can just absorb all reishi like that, Ayon was pretty much fodder, though. I'm also annoyed that Orihime and Chad are cast aside once again.

Muda in spanish is "Mute" as in "person who's incapable of speak", Muda in japanesse (or it is mada?) is "Useless" as how Dio uses it.

Well, the soul drain was almost awesome, the fact that it led to 3 pages without dialogs, wasn't. Irrationaly slow chapter, but at least it wasn't full of mumbo jumbo about a jutsu that didn't need that much explanation.

Seriously, it locks you in the same path untill you stop trying to make the core mistake of your life, created to fight the arrogance of the other eye technique.

There, one line, not 8 pages. The recording part was particulary stupid.

Ace of Spades

Okay, these new chapters of both Naruto and Bleach made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Naruto - This is getting out of hand. Kishi do you even know what you are writing ??
Firstly, why would the Uchiha use Izanagi so many times. An average Uchiha can use it only two times, so what does Itachi mean, it was to stop them from using it too many times, doesn't make sense, especially considering the user goes blind after the use. Also, shouldn't Itachi get his sight back cause he is an Edo?? Just stupid.
And the biggest plot-hole in this entire stupid chapter, Izanagi needs both the Uchiha and the Senju cells to work to their full potential, right, so how can so many Uchiha's use it ??
And smaller mistakes, like that random Kabuto brother being a Konoha nin as well, yet never ever meeting him even though he took the chuunin exam 7 times, the same way Danzo never noticed him, or anyone else really.
Also, shouldn't there be a special headband for the war, looks like Kishi forgot that as well.

Bleach - So now the quincy can not only transform, but also absorb even hollows and shinigamis as well, and then transform again,so much bs.
I like how Kubo retconned the quincy to be so uber powerful now, the shinigami don't stand a chance, and yet they will somehow beat the quincy, or maybe just Ichigo will. Classic Kubo, its Aizen all over again.
This war is as meaningless as the rest of the series, as both the shinigami and quincy are complete idiots. Shinigami for killing the quincy because of the balance bs, which doesn't make any sense in itself, and the quincy for wanting revenge even after 1000 years have passed. They are like the bleach version of Sasuke, atleast Ishida's grandpa had some sense to try finding a peaceful alternative, but ofcourse the shinigami(mayuri) messed it up again.
The only good thing I am hoping is those three annoying arrancars were killed.
Of course to finish it off, Ichigo goes Bankai and fights the weirdo alone, while Orihime and Chad watch helplessly and are completely useless…......again.

Shuhan

@Jabra:

Itachi overused his Magekyo when he was still alive to the point that he couldn't see a thing, especially in his last fight against Sasuke with Susanoo. His eyes are perfectly fine after being edo-tensei'd tho! So it cures even the hax-soul-mambo-jambo-whatever damage. Now we could say that Kabuto gave him new eyes from Madara's "Sharingan in a jar" - collection, but he doesn't have to because, and that brings me to the Rinnegan:

Edo Tensei re-creates eyes. Madara completely removed the Rinnegan's from Nagato's body, but his edo-tensei'd form has them back (and he can use Rinnegan-only techniques like this rock-magnet or whatever that was).

…
You know, I am trying to use a more positive outlook on these series as per Robby's example...but dammit is this making it more difficult...Thanks for explaining though.

AtomicFruit

"Art" wise this might've been the worst bleach chapter in several weeks.
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/493/6 How can any mangaka get away with this? Togashi has plot so he doesnt couunt :X

Ace of Spades

You think thats bad, did you notice the chapter title was on the page 15. I mean its called title for a reason.

NomurquotSteelBladequotEtels

@AtomicFruit:

"Art" wise this might've been the worst bleach chapter in several weeks.
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/493/6 How can any mangaka get away with this? Togashi has plot so he doesnt couunt :X

Disregarding the bad art on this page… why did Ayon's eyes have to wind up on his wings? They almost look like the eyes on Andross' true form from Star Fox 64, when I look closely.

AtomicFruit

@Nomur:

Disregarding the bad art on this page… why did Ayon's eyes have to wind up on his wings? They almost look like the eyes on Andross' true form from Star Fox 64, when I look closely.

Well he absorbed him right? And since ayon's eyes are that big I guess putting each eye on a leg or so would look even worse.

Roronoa Dodo

Well what can I say, Kubo loves his transformations… The Fuhrer is already inside Soul Society? Ichigo's gone bankai? Chad got a panel? Bleach has hit incredible levels of rapid arc pacing. Seriously, I can't see how this can last more than a year or two(?)

ceazydom

With Buckbeard already in Soul Society, we're probably nearing the moment we've all been waiting for.

The one true Aizen's return.

Shuhan

@Ace:

You think thats bad, did you notice the chapter title was on the page 15. I mean its called title for a reason.

The title page has never been the first page for bleach…since...ever...

Nothing surprising that it would be put even further back.

NomurquotSteelBladequotEtels

@AtomicFruit:

Well he absorbed him right? And since ayon's eyes are that big I guess putting each eye on a leg or so would look even worse.

I guess, but the way they're attached makes me imagine that they'd just be targets to shoot off. If they were put on his chest instead of just hovering around his wings, I wouldn't be making such a fuss over it. I suppose Ayon's eyes just are way too noticeable for me.

Gliblord

Well that was what the fuck

So Quncies CAN just straight up absorb souls' bodies? Then aren't they bloody invincible

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Jesus Christ, and I thought the Quincies were invincible, they've got nothing on the Uchiha

So you're telling me there were so many Uchiha that could warp reality that they themselves had to invent a counter-measure? That is so ludicrously hax. It's hard to imagine why Madara BY HIMSELF couldn't just conquer the whole fucking world, but the entire Uchiha clan working together is essentially godlike.

Ace of Spades

@Shuhan:

The title page has never been the first page for bleach…since...ever...

Nothing surprising that it would be put even further back.

But atleast put it in the first 7 pages, after going past the half way point, it loses the meaning altogether.

NomurquotSteelBladequotEtels

@Gliblord:

So you're telling me there were so many Uchiha that could warp reality that they themselves had to invent a counter-measure? That is so ludicrously hax. It's hard to imagine why Madara BY HIMSELF couldn't just conquer the whole fucking world, but the entire Uchiha clan working together is essentially godlike.

I honestly don't know whether to blame Kishi for letting the Uchiha subplot grow so ludicrously out of hand, or the editor who suggested that Kishimoto introduced Sasuke and the Uchiha into the story to begin with at this point.

Oh, wait, I'm still blaming Kishi for letting this become the Uchiha Show starring the not-Uchiha munchkins. Nevermind.

Gliblord

And the sad thing is that Sasuke was only ever a poor man's Kurapika in the first place.

superquotpetquotrobot

Buckbeard was up there for four chapters. Four chapters. That was Buckbeard's shoe. His shoe!!