Wasn't that bad of a chapter.
I really liked how Sabertooth works. And it was also nice that Rogue at least cares about his comrades.
Fairy Tail Discussion III
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i liked this chapter. So we can see that lucy will probably get 2 of the zodiac keys next chapter. What do the rules state about people getting more than 1 fight? Is it possible for kagura to fight again even though she already has
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This revenge conflict against an established character and the guilt felt by his friends for him would have been interesting if it weren't about fucking Gerard again.
Furthermore the steller mage's stripping would have generated feelings of revulsion to the guild leader and pity for the girl like they were supposed to if characters didn't take off all their clothes all the time anyway.
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Furthermore the steller mage's stripping would have generated feelings of revulsion to the guild leader and pity for the girl like they were supposed to if characters didn't take off all their clothes all the time anyway.
Actually… this is an extremely good point.
I was wondering why I couldn't muster up the will to really be affected. I felt a bit of disgust but it quickly flitted away - if anything, the expressions and responses of her teammates got more of a reaction out of me.
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Plotline goes back INTO Gerard again.Damn he became such a slut.
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I know fanservice is typical in this series, but that definitely cemented Gemma as a total dick.
Here's the thing about Gerard: there's two character traits to him so far. Angsting for redemption and sprouting exposition. If he were a little more interesting, I might care about all this stuff about him. Okay chapter overall, I guess.
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Really? We complain about the fanservice every week, but the week where Mashima makes a character strip and then uses a speech bubble to cover her asscrack we go back to Jellal-bashing?
I get so confused.
Pretty much for the first time did not feel like fan-service. Was too concerned with the GM of Sabertooth being a dick.
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Erza will fight her clone and take her cloths/weapon and make it so that lucy clone is not her lesbian sex slave anymore then the lucy clone will be captured and used to summon that gate she then dies and lucy takes her keys but fairy tail thinks raven tail did it because they're idiots then we have fairy tail vs raven tail when the bad walk right past them laughing lol.
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I think that is one of the longest times, that a FT arc stays somewhat interesting and where the good parts keep outshining the bad ones.
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i liked this chapter. So we can see that lucy will probably get 2 of the zodiac keys next chapter. What do the rules state about people getting more than 1 fight? Is it possible for kagura to fight again even though she already has
That drunk guy did two games in a row so Erza clone is going to fight.
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@Law:
That drunk guy did two games in a row so Erza clone is going to fight.
One game and one fight =/= Two fights.
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The next days battle portions are tag battles if IIRC
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The next days battle portions are tag battles if IIRC
Day 4 is the tag battle actually.
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I think I am going to drop this series for a while, and start reading again when Zeref makes an appearence. This chap should have brought some kind of reaction out of me, but I just did not feel anything. Partly, because the females are mostly for fan-service and this is nothing new, and partly because the Lucy clone is in this situation because of her own stupidity. There was no need at all to make that dumb bet, so can't really feel sorry for her.
Lastly, the plot shifts to Jellal…again. It says that the Erza clone hates Jellal, and they can never co-exist, yet we know somehow that they will co-exist and stop hating him.
Yep, certainly dropping this manga for now. Hopefully Zeref will show up soon, and things will start getting interesting. -
Let's talk about how great Gerard is instead. I like that smug smile he recycles every time he appears.
I am confused.
But recycled smirks are a great way to see how the art has not changed since~
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I think I am going to drop this series for a while, and start reading again when Zeref makes an appearence. This chap should have brought some kind of reaction out of me, but I just did not feel anything. Partly, because the females are mostly for fan-service and this is nothing new, and partly because the Lucy clone is in this situation because of her own stupidity. There was no need at all to make that dumb bet, so can't really feel sorry for her.
Lastly, the plot shifts to Jellal…again. It says that the Erza clone hates Jellal, and they can never co-exist, yet we know somehow that they will co-exist and stop hating him.
Yep, certainly dropping this manga for now. Hopefully Zeref will show up soon, and things will start getting interesting.The lucy clone is most likely going to join fairy tail and then die instead of lucy so we will get a fairy tail member dying out of her lol.
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But recycled smirks are a great way to see how the art has not changed since~
We posted at the same time lol
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@Ace:
I think I am going to drop this series for a while, and start reading again when Zeref makes an appearence. This chap should have brought some kind of reaction out of me, but I just did not feel anything.
I'm thinking of dropping it entirely. But for opposite reasons. It actually did bring out a reaction in me. I just felt disgusted at the whole thing. Heck, I would not even classify the Gemma thing in the category of shameless fanservice either. It was intended to be a real deal situation, and I interpreted it as this.
Women are property.
We are free to tell them to strip down.
They must obey. They will obey.Maybe this guild does this kind of crap all the time, but we do now know that and we will not ever know that. Normally I'd let Mashima pass for this sort of thing, but I can't really help but think the claims(that were bought up in this thread) that he has no respect for his female characters as true. This just nails it, and I'm not sure if I can persist reading a series with such intents anymore. Especially considering that the scene was probably intended to make Gemma look like a big badass at the sacrifice of a character we barely know.
Yeah, this sounds incredibly personal and if everyone balls up in arms to disagree, then I understand. Assuming some of you guys are used to these sort of things in a shonen series(I don't really read alot of shonen to be completely honest… just the fun loving ones that don't take themselves seriously)
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Maybe this guild does this kind of crap all the time, but we do now know that and we will not ever know that. Normally I'd let Mashima pass for this sort of thing, but I can't really help but think the claims(that were bought up in this thread) that he has no respect for his female characters as true. This just nails it, and I'm not sure if I can persist reading a series with such intents anymore. Especially considering that the scene was probably intended to make Gemma look like a big badass at the sacrifice of a character we barely know.
No, I don't think it was suppost to make Gemma a Badass, more like a bastardous douchbag who should burn in hell. Thus making fans hate him. Thus feeling good when Natsu beats the living shitzels out of him.
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Like I said before I was off-put with that whole scene…but now that I've had time to think about it, I agree with Hiroy. This wasn't your average fanservice Mashima has been forcing down our throats, quite the contrary. This was bordering on a situation that really doesn't belong in a '15 year old boy' demographic. This was showing that Sabretooth's Guildmaster not only is a dick, but doesn't bat an eye to treat his Guild like crap. That's par for the course for a shounen manga sure, but when you introduce the notion that women are weak and amount to nothing is nothing short of appalling.
There is an arguement where yes, he probably would do this with the males too, seeing as this scene is most likely supposed to envoke the emotion that you have been stripped of your honor and decency and are nothing if not weak and useless, as if you were just a newborn. However, this type of situation really shouldn't grace the pages of a manga for the younger generation. Flash all the boobs and panties you want, but don't start treating the characters like shit, especially women.
At least Naruto doesn't demean women this much...yeah I can't finish that without laughing...
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I'm probably going to see how this arc will end up as a whole and then see if I drop the series or not. If it doesn't hold up till the end yet again then it's pretty much clear for me that it's the same thing every arc and nothing will change about the characters or story structure. Even if there are some attempts are there to change the status quo it always goes right back to the safe territory.
I also think that the scene with Gemma wasn't there to show how badass he is, but how despicable he is. Gemma said nothing about her being a woman, he just humiliated her because she lost. Claiming that the scene was there to show how useless and weak women are is like saying that Chopper discovering the drugs inside the children's bodies is there to make the readers themselves use drugs. I should be the most offended here because I'm a woman myself and there is a lot of uncomfortable and wierd fanservice in Fairy Tail, but I really think this time that wasn't the case.
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I'm probably going to see how this arc will end up as a whole and then see if I drop the series or not. If it doesn't hold up till the end yet again then it's pretty much clear for me that it's the same thing every arc and nothing will change about the characters or story structure. Even if there are some attempts are there to change the status quo it always goes right back to the safe territory.
I also think that the scene with Gemma wasn't there to show how badass he is, but how despicable he is. Gemma said nothing about her being a woman, he just humiliated her because she lost. Claiming that the scene was there to show how useless and weak women are is like saying that Chopper discovering the drugs inside the children's bodies is there to make the readers themselves use drugs. I should be the most offended here because I'm a woman myself and there is a lot of uncomfortable and wierd fanservice in Fairy Tail, but I really think this time that wasn't the case.
Mashima would NEVER do this to a male character. Make him strip in front of a crowd of his peers in shame? Not ever.
This was a clear objectification of women scenario. Weak, powerless, degraded.
And it would certainly not be the first time for this manga.I can see where Hiroy is coming from.
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Hate to object, but we already have Gray…but his stripping is comical...
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Yep, this device is about as old as literature itself. Yes, it does cement how much of a monumental douchebag the master is, but things start getting dodgey(er) when it's done to the token female in a manga whose track record with this sort of thing doesn't provide for much benefit of the doubt.
From all the grunts' complete non-reaction, I'd imagine that Gemma doing stuff like this is far from unprecedented, but as I said, it does get dodgey.
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you guys just looking too much into things. that scene does really have anything to do with sexist against women at all. it just some of you failed to understand and differentiate what exactly is "sexist" and have too much wrong information due to media and internet. great "human" will always be great no matter he or she.. garbage will always be garbage, male or female.
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Mashima would NEVER do this to a male character. Make him strip in front of a crowd of his peers in shame? Not ever.
This was a clear objectification of women scenario. Weak, powerless, degraded.
And it would certainly not be the first time for this manga.I can see where Hiroy is coming from.
I would argue that Gray's whole shtick is stripping, but that's a comedic thing and on the other hand we've actually never seen male characters in a situation like this either and String was spared. It really does have some unfortunate implications with this, but I still feel like people are looking too deep into this.
EDIT: Actually, if you rememeber correctly the whole of Fairy Tail went through the humiliation thing this very arc. Gray and Lucy "lost" and were laughed at by the crowd. It's not as degrading as Gemma's assholery, but you can't say it didn't happen.
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you guys just looking too much into things. that scene does really have anything to do with sexist against women at all. it just some of you failed to understand and differentiate what exactly is "sexist" and have too much wrong information due to media and internet. great "human" will always be great no matter he or she.. garbage will always be garbage, male or female.
Usually I would agree with this, usually…
My main problem is that Sting got a slap on the wrist for being a doofus during the first event. He is supposed to be one of the star members and was humiliated. This chick actually put up a decent spectacle, and then is told to strip and is thrown out...Seems to be a double standard to me...
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I would argue that Gray's whole shtick is stripping, but that's a comedic thing and on the other hand we've actually never seen male characters in a situation like this either and String was spared. It really does have some unfortunate implications with this, but I still feel like people are looking too deep into this.
EDIT: Actually, if you rememeber correctly the whole of Fairy Tail went through the humiliation thing this very arc. Gray and Lucy "lost" and were ridiculed. It's not as degrading as Gemma's assholery, but you can't say it didn't happen.
I remember very correctly:
I said strip in shame.
I meant strip in shame.
Sting failed miserably (he got dead last!) but he wasn't forced to take his clothes off - and wouldn't have been, because he was a guy.
He got a slap on the wrist and is supposed to be one of their best!
She was forced to take off her clothes and leave the guild after a strong showing. Make much sense?The only reason this girl was forced to strip down is because she's a female and Gemma was exerting his dominance over her.
It's supposed to appeal to a male reader's sense of outrage and protectiveness and make Gemma look like more of a complete monster. I don't think it's any deeper than that.
But it certainly is a double standard. This manga goes out of its way to declothe its girls in objectifying ways. Grey taking off his clothes for gags is completely different, and he has no shame anyway.This is the difference:
! Fairy Tail sexualizes its girls at every possible opportunity. The guys? Not so much. It's a shonen manga of course so that's what you're gonna get, and I'm not saying all fanservice is bad or anything so extreme.
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Took me some time to read all the chapters up to the most recent one but I'm glad I did. Judging by many comments I've read on AP I simply had to see it with my own eyes. After doing that and realizing that I actually like the concept of the story I kept reading and came to enjoy what I was reading there.
Frankly speaking- the only thing I'd agree on being unreasonable is the timeskip. It seems like its only real purpose was to show us the second of Fairy Tail's three great spells (Fairy Sphere). Looking back at it seven years was a tad too long and in my opinion 3-4 years would've done the job as well.Anyway, looking at the current arc I'm curious as to how Charle's forecast will turn out. It was shown nearly 100 chapters ago and since then I was really curious what it might be about. Looks like it's finally time to reveal the complete secret and this time it revolves around Stellar Spirits. Now knowing Mashima I highly doubt that he would kill off one person of the main cast so it looks like the girl expelled from Sabertooth will serve as the scapegoat; not exactly something I'd like to see but things are pointing towards that outcome.
Oh and fuck you, Gerard. Fuck off already and stay where you are. Can't stand that guy.
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Usually I would agree with this, usually…
My main problem is that Sting got a slap on the wrist for being a doofus during the first event. He is supposed to be one of the star members and was humiliated. This chick actually put up a decent spectacle, and then is told to strip and is thrown out...Seems to be a double standard to me...
She was stripped of everything tying her to the guild because she pledged her life to someone else as Gemma said that's what's holding her failure at a different standard than sting because she made a bet and isn't really honoring it.
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You could say that the difference in treatment of Sting and Yukino is that the girl openly declared to bet her life in the fight. But what I want to say is this.
That's okay, 'cos he ripped off someone else!
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Silence why what did I do to you this hurts me so much make me forget this.
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I remember very correctly:
I said strip in shame.
I meant strip in shame.
Sting failed miserably (he got dead last!) but he wasn't forced to take his clothes off - and wouldn't have been, because he was a guy.
He got a slap on the wrist and is supposed to be one of their best!
She was forced to take off her clothes and leave the guild after a strong showing. Make much sense?The only reason this girl was forced to strip down is because she's a female and Gemma was exerting his dominance over her.
It's supposed to appeal to a male reader's sense of outrage and protectiveness and make Gemma look like more of a complete monster. I don't think it's any deeper than that.
But it certainly is a double standard. This manga goes out of its way to declothe its girls in objectifying ways. Grey taking off his clothes for gags is completely different, and he has no shame anyway.This is the difference:
! http://i.imgur.com/NX97h.jpgFairy Tail sexualizes its girls at every possible opportunity. The guys? Not so much. It's a shonen manga of course so that's what you're gonna get, and I'm not saying all fanservice is bad or anything so extreme.
I'm just saying this might not be the manga you wanna stick up for when it comes to women getting treated right.The portrayal of women is in no way perfect or even that good in this manga, there's so much random, unneeded fanservice to say that. I just thought that this particular scene had nothing to do with fanservice and was there to present Gemma as a credible and hateable antagonist. If that scene had such implications, Gemma would've just directly called her weak and useless because she was a woman and wouldn't even brought up the bet she made.
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I really don't see the problem. Yes, the scene was pretty asshole-ish… but isn't that the point? Obviously it's to make The Sabortooth master look like a complete dick. Mission accomplished.
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The stripping scene did make a impression that Sabertooth's leader is a cruel terrible person. I would like to think that the rest of the guild didn't look too suprised that this happened because it happened before to other members. But unfortunately I can only assume that since it's so unlikely we'll get the same scene with a male guildmate. It's kinda hard to tell if this scene would have had the same impact if it was a guy that was put in this situation. It's odd to say but I think it does make more of an impact to have this happen to a member of the opposite sex. Or that because she's a character that wasn't really shown as someone that seemed mentally strong, too soft, that you feel more disgusted?
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The portrayal of women is in no way perfect or even that good in this manga, there's so much random, unneeded fanservice to say that. I just thought that this particular scene had nothing to do with fanservice and was there to present Gemma as a credible and hateable antagonist. If that scene had such implications, Gemma would've just directly called her weak and useless because she was a woman and wouldn't even brought up the bet she made.
I was mentioning fanservice in the context of how the girls get sexualized all the time. THIS scene wasn't supposed to be fanservice.
I'm just defending my ass against the folks who would inevitably go and say "OF COURSE THERE ARE BEWBS, ITZ A SHONEN MANGO."If it is relevant, it's relevant because women get objectified in Fairy Tail and the men really don't.
To be absolutely clear: Gemma stripped her to shame her and make us hate him but wouldn't have stripped a guy to do the same.
That is what I'm saying. It's a boy treatment vs. girl treatment thing on the MANGAKA's part.Even if Gemma isn't saying so, Mashima is. He wrote it to play to your feelings. Mission accomplished! We hate Gemma. Nobody is disputing that he's a dick.
But for some of us the whole scene comes off as crass or going too far because Mashima does it to the girls in this series all the time and this time,
Rather than just being disgusted with Gemma, we're a little disgusted with Mashima too.
Because no matter who they are, or what their personality is like, sometimes women are just things for him to strip.
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What I think bothers me more than just the scene with Gemma is the whole character arc for this Sabretooth girl. She's going from a relevant enemy to yet another member of Fairy Tail who won't do much but pop up for occasional fanservice-based gags. This isn't the first time Mashima's done something like this with a new female character, and it won't be the last.
Oh well. At least the rest of the plot is still pretty interesting. For once he's actually escalating the complexity without everything seeming really dumb and arbitrary.
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To be fair, I think the main reason Sting was "forgiven" was less because he was guy and more because he is a relatively well-known and powerful Dragon Slayer while Yukino was pratically a newbie. He's obviously going to be held in a higher standard by the ST Guild Master, but it won't be because he has a penis.
The implications of that scene are unfortunate, yes, but I doubt they are intentional.
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So wait when Gray,max(who gets his pants pulled down and a broom up the ass),Droy or even Elfman end up in various states of undress they aren't being objectified because of the simple fact that they are men. There could be more to this because of the context its viewed in but then again what's different about the context in which it happens to the women besides their gender.
If that's the standard you want to hold than anything done to the women in this manga isn't objectifying them anymore because you definitely should be holding everyone to the same standard in this manga anyway.
If you want to say the shame of that scene isn't present with a male in Yukino's place then that's your opinion
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I think the problem is the state of undress of the guys isn't drawn in a way that they are trying to be "sexy." Gray getting naked is as was mentioned, a gag, character flaw sort of thing. He's not really ever giving bedroom eyes or placing a hand on himself all coyly. The other problem is that a guy being shirtless means so little for the most part. If they maybe ran around in chaps and nothing else, then maybe it'd be similar. But this type of manga won't throw guys into the same situations as the girls. You'd really only see the same treatment given through fan art. Guys in provocative poses isn't something that gets shown in a manga that mainly tries to draw in guys. Gray and Jellal are supposed to be all the ladies get apparently.
If Sabertooth had the reverse of all genders and this scene happened I would think the shame would still show through and the disgust for the leader. I think it was more that the shameful act was forced on someone that was a minority demographic in the guild. So if the guild was mostly ladies and they did this to a male I'd feel bad for him.
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You can't punish a guy by making him strip. It's just not enough punishment and wouldn't make Gemma look like a tool at all if he did it to the guy.
I mean, even if it was a different female that was made to strip and said female didn't care it wouldn't make Gemma look as much as a douchebag.
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Like I said before I was off-put with that whole scene…but now that I've had time to think about it, I agree with Hiroy. This wasn't your average fanservice Mashima has been forcing down our throats, quite the contrary. This was bordering on a situation that really doesn't belong in a '15 year old boy' demographic. This was showing that Sabretooth's Guildmaster not only is a dick, but doesn't bat an eye to treat his Guild like crap. That's par for the course for a shounen manga sure, but when you introduce the notion that women are weak and amount to nothing is nothing short of appalling.
There is an arguement where yes, he probably would do this with the males too, seeing as this scene is most likely supposed to envoke the emotion that you have been stripped of your honor and decency and are nothing if not weak and useless, as if you were just a newborn. However, this type of situation really shouldn't grace the pages of a manga for the younger generation. Flash all the boobs and panties you want, but don't start treating the characters like shit, especially women.
At least Naruto doesn't demean women this much...yeah I can't finish that without laughing...
I'm confused. Are you upset that the Guildmaster that we're not supposed to like and has been revealed to be a total dick to his Guild has no respect for women?
The whole point is that by having her strip down, he's making her feel completely vulnerable and weak for losing and then kicking her ass out. I'd understand your point if we were supposed to think he was cool or something but I think you're really reaching by saying this was a scene that was meant to showcase such a side of him.
I think he's meant to be shown objectifying them, and it'll probably come to bite him in the ass later. Of course, I could be wrong and this could just be something never really brought up again (Lucyclone might be too ashamed to recount the story to FT) in which case I see your point.
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Personally, I thought this chapter was good. Ever since Gerard's turned into a good guy, his character's improved in my eyes (at least for this arc, he has a reason to be there, instead of randomly being shoehorned in like he was for several others, and now that they're on the same side, he doesn't seem to be derailing Erza's character whenever he appears like he did before); it probably helps that he's lightened up, and he can actually be involved in comedic moments now (like with the end of his fight with Jura) rather than being taken completely seriously within the story.
As far as the Sabretooth bit, it was fairly easy for me to ignore the fanservice - it clearly established that Genma is like what Luxus would have been like if he got his way during his arc, and that Yukino is so loyal to Sabretooth that she'd be willing to humiliate herself to make up for her failings. I'm not going to get into the sexism debate, but with Sting, his defeat could be excused as a common problem with all Dragon Slayers coupled with bad luck - with Yukino, she arrogantly assumed that she'd win in spite of being physically weak, bet her life on the match, failed to land a single blow, and was humiliated in front of a large audience, which would make Sabretooth look bad. The scale of Yukino's failure was simply that much greater; the punishment was over-the-top, but that's to be expected coming from a guild where being number one is apparently the only important thing.
I think most of us saw the Milliana reveal coming, but it's nice to see that not everybody automatically forgave Gerard, and that Simon's death wasn't just swept under the rug. Next week's chapter title seems to imply that Lucy's going to be given the remaining two Zodiac keys, but I've been wrong before; guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Usually I would agree with this, usually…
My main problem is that Sting got a slap on the wrist for being a doofus during the first event. He is supposed to be one of the star members and was humiliated. This chick actually put up a decent spectacle, and then is told to strip and is thrown out...Seems to be a double standard to me...
i am not defending FT or something like that. FT is one of manga that i only read once so i am not really remember every detail of it, but if i am not mistaken, the leader already stated that one of the reason was she's cocky about herself, made a life/death deal with her opponent but lost badly and instead of getting killed by her opponent because of the deal, the opponent pitied her and spare her life. that is I think is really humiliating than whatever happen to Sting.
edit: Megadoomer said it better about Yukino Sting matter.
and we can add more reason like she's new to the guild or guild's bo5, Sting is their one of the best members. and that scene is more like an introducing the leader and his characterization rather than a fan-service or much worse sexist. and like Crossword said, that kind of scenario is existed in writing for ages.
and about Gerard plot, i think it is good for Mashiro to tie some story to Gerard or any other old characters rather than just introduce more characters and "plot" and shoved at readers their sob story and expect readers to care.
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It's the author's track record that makes this seem dodgey, even if it wasn't the intent for once.
Hah, the title of the latest anime episode teased a rematch between Natsu and Laxus, but apparently it doesn't take place until the end of the episode and is over before any real fighting even begins (ie, Laxus just punches Natsu out).
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I think he's meant to be shown objectifying them, and it'll probably come to bite him in the ass later. Of course, I could be wrong and this could just be something never really brought up again (Lucyclone might be too ashamed to recount the story to FT) in which case I see your point.
This is the general gist of what I was meaning…Like Crossword said, this exists in literature everywhere, but that doesn't mean that I like it in every medium. It's an overused character trait to objectify women and sometimes it just bugs me...That's why even though I have been trying to give Naruto a fair shake as well, I still hate Madara for the same reasons...but I'll leave that there...
Sorry for any confusion.
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For a man to strip is really nothing. Even in school, once in fifth grade, the door to the gym dressing room was opened, and before the girls, a boy ran across the room nude. Same in movies. Showing the front of a man is more acceptable than that of a woman. Mashima wouldn't have achieved anything by making the guy take of his clothes, especially in front of men.
However, knowing how much the man enjoys drawing big boobs and women in sexy positions, like recently, this was a low. He did it for nothing than to draw some forms. Even the page where a bubble covers her butt annoyed me.
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For a man to strip is really nothing. Even in school, once in fifth grade, the door to the gym dressing room was opened, and before the girls, a boy ran across the room nude. Same in movies. Showing the front of a man is more acceptable than that of a woman. Mashima wouldn't have achieved anything by making the guy take of his clothes, especially in front of men.
However, knowing how much the man enjoys drawing big boobs and women in sexy positions, like recently, this was a low. He did it for nothing than to draw some forms. Even the page where a bubble covers her butt annoyed me.
well gee that's because only one part of a male's body in the front is considered nudity. Anyway
So let's say a man and a woman are stripped naked in front of the same crowd are you saying the man is supposed to be less embarrassed than the female because he has less bits to worry about?A grade school gym class scenario is not what happened here and if it happened to a man it wouldn't be viewed like that either.
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Fairy Tail? Sexist? Needlessly having the female characters get naked for no good reason?
Why I never would have guessed!
I haven't read the series since chapter 200 or so. Is Erza still getting nerfed regularly? Gerard showing up every arc? Surprise dragon slayers?
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What happened to defying cynicism Robby!? Not that I'd like to defend FT or anything…
Anyway as far as the stripping thing goes, normally I wouldn't have any problem against it. Sure it's a cheap ploy for poignance but whatever. However people like Mashima, Akamatsu, and Matsuena have forfeited the right to play this card seeing as how they voluntarily objectify their own characters on a regular basis.
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@RobbyBevard:
Fairy Tail? Sexist? Needlessly having the female characters get naked for no good reason?
Why I never would have guessed!I haven't read the series since chapter 200 or so. Is Erza still getting nerfed regularly? Gerard showing up every arc? Surprise dragon slayers?
Two surprise "new generation" bishie Dragon Slayers. And Jellal lied to Erza about being engaged after she kissed him because he wants to redempt or whatever. Also the catgirl from Tower of Heaven is back (in an all-female guild) and just told Erza about a girl in her guild that has a sword she wants to use for killing Jellal.
Now we gotta feel all concerned for him an' shit
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What happened to defying cynicism Robby!? Not that I'd like to defend FT or anything…
In a COMPLETELY SEPERATE THREAD I saw there was a debate going on about Fairy Tail doing some extra humiliating and needless sexism this chapter and so I took a look.
When the author, who is notorious for doing blatant fanservice anyway, is doing something gratuitous enough for it to be talked about elsewhere… yea.
The other questions are actual questions. I haven't touched the series in two years, and beyond knowing theres a timeskip, I was curious if its old nonstop trends were keeping up. Since I saw that Garard was in this very chapter, and last I read he was about to be executed...
Also. When did Yoko for Gurren Laggan enter this series as a catgirl?