They don't need to be friends, they just need to form rival-friendships much like Luffy's relationship with Law and Kidd. The Supernovas are going to be in it until the very end, so the Strawhats need to at least meet them and learn more about them before the final battles.
Well, Luffy saving them puts them in his debt and I'd rather not see that happen. They need to stay enemies with out Luffy being able to cash in a favor.
Well, Luffy saving them puts them in his debt and I'd rather not see that happen. They need to stay enemies with out Luffy being able to cash in a favor.
Luffy sorta owes his life to Law.
I guess this kind of thought i had belongs into this thread:
What other power exsist in the New World?
I mean we've a great bunch of pirate crews there:
Whitebeard had 43 allied crews on his side, we can assume that the other 3 Yonkous have at least as many crews as Whitebeard had.
Then we've the 8 Supernova crews, a bunch of Silvermedalists as mentioned by Crocodile and perhaps many other crews.
I'm asking me what power exsists in the New World that opposes pirates.
I know we've the marines, but 100k summoned marines from all over the world had a hard time against Whitebeard. And not all of them belong to the New World troops. Its likely that the Yonkous can ensure peace on a few islands, but not all. Then there are the Revolutionaries, who fight against the WG.
All these factors bring me to the believe that there are really strong kingdoms with many mighty fighters, who can handle strong pirates and revolutionaries, in the NW.
Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.
I guess this kind of thought i had belongs into this thread:
What other power exsist in the New World?
I mean we've a great bunch of pirate crews there:
Whitebeard had 43 allied crews on his side, we can assume that the other 3 Yonkous have at least as many crews as Whitebeard had.
Then we've the 8 Supernova crews, a bunch of Silvermedalists as mentioned by Crocodile and perhaps many other crews.
I'm asking me what power exsists in the New World that opposes pirates.
I know we've the marines, but 100k summoned marines from all over the world had a hard time against Whitebeard. And not all of them belong to the New World troops. Its likely that the Yonkous can ensure peace on a few islands, but not all. Then there are the Revolutionaries, who fight against the WG.All these factors bring me to the believe that there are really strong kingdoms with many mighty fighters, who can handle strong pirates and revolutionaries, in the NW.
Or the natural occurances there are so over-whelming they alone are enough to hinder people from going there?
I guess this kind of thought i had belongs into this thread:
What other power exsist in the New World?
I mean we've a great bunch of pirate crews there:
Whitebeard had 43 allied crews on his side, we can assume that the other 3 Yonkous have at least as many crews as Whitebeard had.
Then we've the 8 Supernova crews, a bunch of Silvermedalists as mentioned by Crocodile and perhaps many other crews.
I'm asking me what power exsists in the New World that opposes pirates.
I know we've the marines, but 100k summoned marines from all over the world had a hard time against Whitebeard. And not all of them belong to the New World troops. Its likely that the Yonkous can ensure peace on a few islands, but not all. Then there are the Revolutionaries, who fight against the WG.All these factors bring me to the believe that there are really strong kingdoms with many mighty fighters, who can handle strong pirates and revolutionaries, in the NW.
Yeah but also Shanks turns up with his boat and crew and puts a stop to the war? - Granted everyone was rather exhasted from the fighting at that stage but I believe that it was only the one boat for Shanks that had the Marines and WB pirates all decide it was for the best to end it there.
Also the thing that happened to Capone was unique no answers there yet.
Luffy will face an oponent with the "stretch-stretch fruit". He will be able to stretch his limbs like Luffy, but wont be made out of rubber! It will be a great battle between them as Luffy will get blasted by his own gattling gun! :)
Make it happend Oda! :D
I think we will be seeing Crocodile in the New World. Luffy won't be meeting Shanks towards the end.
Remember when Mihawk brought Shanks Luffy's first wanted poster?
I think we will be seeing Crocodile in the New World. Luffy won't be meeting Shanks towards the end.
Remember when Mihawk brought Shanks Luffy's first wanted poster?
Pretty much certain Crocodile will re-emerge in the NW how soon is the question.
I am kind of hoping that FI is used to catch us up a little on whats happened in the world that has been missed a little by us. I know using FI as one big exposition arc would be lame - but by gods there are somethings we'd like to know early rather then 200 episodes later.
What I really want in the NW is Minkmen island.
I want to see some awesome Minkmen so badly!!! Grrrr….
Bumping due to the Straw Hat Pirates now being in the New World.
Clearly the natural occurences are greater than we thought and it seems that the Strawhats are going to the island Urogue first went to. With the lightning rain :D. Oda has been foreshadowing the place ever since Urogue went there and Nami went to Weatheria
Shouldn't it be "Baltigo"?
Btw, Robin visited at the revolutionaries during the crew was separated and she met dragon. So Paladego is located in the first half of the Grand Line.
Who's to say it isn't in the NewWorld? It wouldn't make it any less spectacular than this is Robin's 2nd time into the NewWorld as it was Zoro's 2nd time going to fishman island
zoro didn´t arrived at fishman island when he took the wrong ship… he just went undersea for a small time, enough for him to see how looks sabaody underwater
Who's to say it isn't in the NewWorld? It wouldn't make it any less spectacular than this is Robin's 2nd time into the NewWorld as it was Zoro's 2nd time going to fishman island
You think the ship Zoro boarded got to Fishman Island in the few minutes after it dived?
Btw, Robin visited at the revolutionaries during the crew was separated and she met dragon. So Paladego is located in the first half of the Grand Line.
For all we know the revolutionaries are fighting against the WG and they have the power over the first half of the GL.
The second half is ruled mostly by the emperors, so it would be kind of unproductive to have the head quarter in the NW.
But the marines and so the WG are directing their view more and more to the NW, so it will be no wonder when the revolutionaries will also act there in the future.
Well I just hope that we get to learn more about Haki, along with learning about other superhuman fighting styles that exists in the New world.
Doesnt seem like much else to learn about haki. We have alot more to learn about DF's though, especially black beard's
^Well my gut tells me that there is more to Haki then whats been revealed so far.
The sea looks red, according to Chopper. Would it actually be red? That would be awesome and strange at the same time.
One thing that bothers me and picks away at me constantly is, if the world is round and the New World stretches right back around, is Raftel a hop skip and a jump away from East Blue? It seems illogical that the WG hasn't taken a seastone bottom ship and gone there from the more peaceful seas.
Yeah there seems to be a huge flaw with the concept of the calm belt and the location of Raftel. It's not just the seastone ship that renders the Calm Belt useless but also flying zoans (Marco, Pell, probably others) and paramecias (Shiki could fly in the movie and it was a canon).
Hopefully Oda will address this issue soon.
Yeah there seems to be a huge flaw with the concept of the calm belt and the location of Raftel. It's not just the seastone ship that renders the Calm Belt useless but also flying zoans (Marco, Pell, probably others) and paramecias (Shiki could fly in the movie and it was a canon).
Hopefully Oda will address this issue soon.
There is no flaw in the concept, you just have to use your imagination a little. Flying, Steam Ships, paddle ships, it doesn't matter, that is obviously not how you get to Raftel. If all anyone had to do was just fly there or sail through the calm belt then there wouldn't be any major mystery behind it. There was a reason why Roger told Newgate "I'll tell you how to get to Raftel." What ever the means, flying and typical sailing just doesn't cut it.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
Calm Belt just prevents a mass comb-search by the whole world. Even if it's physically on the ocean, its almost impossible for a limited number of individuals to find an island in the middle of the ocean without any sort of guidance (log pose, etc)
Having a few characters who can fly, as well as Marine's capability to cross the calm belt, does not mean that they can find Raftel.
That makes sense. I forgot to factor in navigation via log pose, or how just how huge the calm belts and the Grand Line are.
Come to think of it, I'd hedge my bets on not being able to find Raftel by log pose, perhaps it's an island with no magnetic value, requiring a unique way to get there. It's all up in the air as of now.
That makes sense. I forgot to factor in navigation via log pose, or how just how huge the calm belts and the Grand Line are.
Come to think of it, I'd hedge my bets on not being able to find Raftel by log pose, perhaps it's an island with no magnetic value, requiring a unique way to get there. It's all up in the air as of now.
I would agree that this it at least one factor that makes it hard to reach it.
It could be even guarded by seakings or that the island itself is somehow alive. (so Roger was able to get their because he understood the voice of all things)
There is no flaw in the concept, you just have to use your imagination a little. Flying, Steam Ships, paddle ships, it doesn't matter, that is obviously not how you get to Raftel. If all anyone had to do was just fly there or sail through the calm belt then there wouldn't be any major mystery behind it. There was a reason why Roger told Newgate "I'll tell you how to get to Raftel." What ever the means, flying and typical sailing just doesn't cut it.
Maybe Raftel's in the middle of a giant tornado at the end of the New World.
Maybe no one can find Raftel because they don't pick the most dangerous route on the log pose like Luffy wants to. I'm guessing that Blackbeard and Roger will do the same
i really suspect tht Aokiji has been with the Revolutionaries during the timeskip after quitting marines. a disillusioned ex-admiral is exactly the kind of person Dragon wud wanna recruit against the WG. the revolutionaries r pretty up to date with current affairs around the world.. so they wud have known about Aokiji resigning perhaps the very next day. we know for sure tht robin was with them and tht aokiji nd robin share quite a history between them. Aokiji has helped Robin in the past and although Robin may think she owes him nothing but still.. she may have seen him as a huge asset to the revolutionaries. Aokiji on the other hand feels responsible, perhaps due to Saul, to see how Robin's life turns out to be and has said this before himself. upon learning tht Robin was with Dragon, he may have atleast given an audience to Dragon's arguments or perhaps Robin may have been the one who convinced Aokiji in the first place.
the fact tht Aokiji has not been seen for around 2 years by anyone is quite a glaring oversight to me. how can a person with such a phenomenal presence like Aokiji disappear jst like tht? he has not been seen or heard about by anyone for 2 years does not means tht he is alone out ther. someone has to know nd is doing a great job keeping it a secret but who else are better operating in secrecy than the revolutionaries? i am not saying tht Aokiji is now playing an active part in their campaign against the WG or even providing them valuable intel.. he may be jst lazing his time waiting fer robin to leave eventually who knows..
all i'm trying to say is tht the revolutionaries can keep a person wishing to disappear hidden for as long as he wants if they really want to and do it better than anyone else on their own. Also its quite suspicious tht Robin was the only member missing from the scene whn Jinbe was updating SHC about the whole Aokiji vs Akainu affair and then Aokiji's subsequent resignation.. she was very conveniently away from the scene talking with Neptune about the princess so no one bothered about tht. if she wud have been ther with the rest of them.. she may have gone like… aah tht? he was with us all along... no biggie.. :P she has not whispered a word about luffy's father or the revolutionaries since getting together. i admit none of the others have talked much about their 2 years training much too but she cud atleast say your dad says "hi.. wassup"
Yeah there seems to be a huge flaw with the concept of the calm belt and the location of Raftel. It's not just the seastone ship that renders the Calm Belt useless but also flying zoans (Marco, Pell, probably others) and paramecias (Shiki could fly in the movie and it was a canon).
Hopefully Oda will address this issue soon.
You really think Oda doesn't have a reason for that?
I can literally think of 10 different reasons about why Raftel could be so hard to access:
Take your pick. Multiple choices allowed.
I can literally think of 10 different reasons about why Raftel could be so hard to access:
- It could be somewhere up in the sky
- It could be somewhere deep in the sea
- It could have no magnetic pull
- It could be a moving island
- It could only appear at a certain time at a certain place
- It could be heavily guarded by raging weather or beasts
- It could require some sort of "key" to access it
- It could be protected by some sort of natural or supernatural barrier
- It could somehow only accept certain kinds of people
- It could be a well-elaborated lie made up by Roger. Whitebeard and Roger's nakama went with it just for the laughs.
Take your pick. Multiple choices allowed.
wow i like the 5th point. Its like mirage island in the pokemon gba game xD !
We've already seen what Raftel looks like in chapter 0. It's a plain green island situated on a normal ocean, so there's really no crazy locations to it. The safest bet would be it's an island with no magnetic pull, which would make finding it the biggest issue and mystery.
I'm gonna go with the island moves. There's probably a good chunk of ocean from the last few New World islands and the other side of Reverse Mountain, and I could imagine the island moving around that chunk of ocean.
It'll take a good navigator(Nami) to be able to predict the islands movement based on the Log Pose alone.
I've always liked the idea that it's a leap of faith sort of thing, kind of like Skypiea but way more grand and a lot less likely to survive.
I can literally think of 10 different reasons about why Raftel could be so hard to access:
- It could be somewhere up in the sky
- It could be somewhere deep in the sea
- It could have no magnetic pull
- It could be a moving island
- It could only appear at a certain time at a certain place
- It could be heavily guarded by raging weather or beasts
- It could require some sort of "key" to access it
- It could be protected by some sort of natural or supernatural barrier
- It could somehow only accept certain kinds of people
- It could be a well-elaborated lie made up by Roger. Whitebeard and Roger's nakama went with it just for the laughs.
Take your pick. Multiple choices allowed.
Sounds like the island in LOST
I can literally think of 10 different reasons about why Raftel could be so hard to access:
- It could be somewhere up in the sky
- It could be somewhere deep in the sea
- It could have no magnetic pull
- It could be a moving island
- It could only appear at a certain time at a certain place
- It could be heavily guarded by raging weather or beasts
- It could require some sort of "key" to access it
- It could be protected by some sort of natural or supernatural barrier
- It could somehow only accept certain kinds of people
- It could be a well-elaborated lie made up by Roger. Whitebeard and Roger's nakama went with it just for the laughs.
Take your pick. Multiple choices allowed.
I like the "lie" part, although I guess a lot of people would be pissed if that turned out to be true.
Aaaand there's Raftel.
The thing with Raftel reminds me of a book I read a long time ago. It was basically about a boy who wanted to rescue his little sister from a evil sorcerer. It was a really basic fantasy book aside from some moments that I found really interesting back then. Interestingly at some point it had the same quote from Hiluruk. "People die when they are forgotten". By the end the main protagonist was basically was alone in a endless grey void, needing to go to a fortress that possibly nobody had made it to. It wasn't a task of strength at all, rather conviction, about what he truly actually wanted. Only when he made up his mind on what he truly wanted the fortress appeared. It was trippy and scary to read for me and there's a lot more to it than I described, but it was really gripping and fascinating at the same time. By the end the protagonist found a middle ground to his wish. It's probably the only children's book I still care about to this day, lol.
Anyway, basically my theory is actually that the thing blocking of Raftel isn't anything physical at all, rather something like a test of character. I think that would be far more interesting.
Many series do that before the final battle, though, so maybe that's a little dumb? Dunno. Just thought I'd share my thoughts.
No theory to which someone devoted some serious thought and time could be doumb. Thank you for sharing yours 
I think it's pretty clear that poneglyphs hold the secret to Raftel. It was stated in chapter 301
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There were hardly anyone who was able to decipher those texts except Oharan scholars, and that's why no one couldn't find Raftel.
Roger was lucky to have that power to hear all voices thingy, though Rayleigh said it wasn't enough. However the strawhats now have both that power (Luffy) and the real intelligence to decipher the poneglyphs (Robin). These will surely be the keys of opening their way to Raftel.
I think it's pretty clear that poneglyphs hold the secret to Raftel. It was stated in chapter 301
!
There were hardly anyone who was able to decipher those texts except Oharan scholars, and that's why no one couldn't find Raftel.Roger was lucky to have that power to hear all voices thingy, though Rayleigh said it wasn't enough. However the strawhats now have both that power (Luffy) and the real intelligence to decipher the poneglyphs (Robin). These will surely be the keys of opening their way to Raftel.
It's not really established what this "guidance" is as the phoneglyph in question is about weapons, the context is all history-related and they likely hadn't yet gotten to Raftel at the time of visiting.
It's a nice thought but I think it's way too early to say anything is 'clear' about Raftel and its supposed secrets.
Minister to the Left did mention that some islands loses its magnetic pull while you are sailing. Raftel has to be part of this. What a great mystery.
If the lack of magnetic field is the hypothesized reason why normal people can't go to Raftel,then I think D people have an inborn map of how to get there.
Or they have they can use their voice powers to 'hear' their way to Raftel.
Raftel is guarded by Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee
Only D's are allowed in
@Miss:
We've already seen what Raftel looks like in chapter 0. It's a plain green island situated on a normal ocean, so there's really no crazy locations to it. The safest bet would be it's an island with no magnetic pull, which would make finding it the biggest issue and mystery.
Did we? I just reread Chapter Zero and saw nothing of the sort.
Huh. I read back chapter 0 (for the first time since it came out), and realized I may have been wrong. I said that with Episode 0 in mind, not the actual chapter. See this island? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/12.html
The OVA shows it only after Roger mentions Raftel with the big DON and commotion. The manga has it set so it's Loguetown. My world has been torn apart.
.. Either way, though; we have seen Raftel. I think someone already posted a picture of it in this thread. So my point stands: no crazy fire tornadoes surrounding it.
@Miss:
.. Either way, though; we have seen Raftel. I think someone already posted a picture of it in this thread. So my point stands: no crazy fire tornadoes surrounding it.
I'm pretty sure that isn't true.
The only "image" we've seen of Raftel in the manga is when Crocus mentions it the first time the Straw Hats meet him. (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2212-8/one-piece/chapter-105.html)
And that image is probably as accurate a representation of Raftel as this one is of Jinbe, Moriah, Kuma, Crocodile, Hancock, Mihawk and Doflamingo.
(http://www.mangareader.net/103-2142-6/one-piece/chapter-69.html)
We've also "SEEN" early pictures of the Shichibukai: they look like the 3 musketeers x 7…
[use brain here]
