Oh wait…I forgot about the little old frog-face grandpa, funny that nobody cares about him XD...
Hunter x Hunter II
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Oh wait…I forgot about the little old frog-face grandpa, funny that nobody cares about him XD...
Well he appeared in a single panel in the York Shin arc and…that was it. I'm kind of surprised even when he's mentioned again he's still not relevant.
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I've also been enjoying HXH more than OP lately. OP feels like it's going by fast and I wanted to see more of of FI. Oh well.
Something for German fans:
Coming on the 27th of April.
So happy they're going so close to the original cover. Most of the German HXH covers were ruined, but this looks great.
Too bad that 29 not being in the Spring/Summer releases means the earliest we get it is the end of September. Maybe they want a little buffer again..
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Well he appeared in a single panel in the York Shin arc and…that was it. I'm kind of surprised even when he's mentioned again he's still not relevant.
Maybe or maybe not.. but Togashi always introduces a character with a reason…so let's hope that frog face has a specific role in the family after all :(.
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Well he appeared in a single panel in the York Shin arc and…that was it. I'm kind of surprised even when he's mentioned again he's still not relevant.
Wasn't he mentioned in the Chimaera Ant arc? When Xeno was talking about how old Netero was? I don't remember him being mentioned in the Yorkshin arc, though, unless you got them mixed up? Or I am xD Though, I don't think I'm getting anything mixed up.
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Yup, what everyone said… haha. I'm so glad I didn't read any spoilers this week, I don't think I've ever enjoyed a single chapter as much. And the best thing about it is that we can expect some of the most intense moments in HxH ahead.
Yeah, that year long break in January is really going to up the anticipation.
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Wasn't he mentioned in the Chimaera Ant arc? When Xeno was talking about how old Netero was? I don't remember him being mentioned in the Yorkshin arc, though, unless you got them mixed up? Or I am xD Though, I don't think I'm getting anything mixed up.
He did appear there, with Kalluto. It's that his name wasn't mentioned.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v11/c100/10.html
And yes, Maha was mentioned in regards to Netero being the only one who could fight him or something like that.
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He did appear there, with Kalluto. It's that his name wasn't mentioned.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v11/c100/10.html
And yes, Maha was mentioned in regards to Netero being the only one who could fight him or something like that.
Oh yeah, totally forgot about that. Thanks.
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I like Killuas Ipad. It's a good update.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yeah, that year long break in January is really going to up the anticipation.
Let us dream for god's sake :/
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If this series doesn't go on a year long hiatus again this January, I'll think about actually starting it. If it does go on hiatus then I'll wait until its finished. While on the subject of HxH ending, do you see an end in sight?
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Hisoka proves how amazing he is every time he shows up. His toy box is full of some characters I never imagined him being stronger than.
He's not stronger than all of them. He just sees all of them as toys he'd have fun fighting against. Gin is in that box as well. He still has his eye on that one hunter that was the first judge during the Hunter exam.
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If this series doesn't go on a year long hiatus again this January, I'll think about actually starting it. If it does go on hiatus then I'll wait until its finished. While on the subject of HxH ending, do you see an end in sight?
I sure don't.
There's Gyro for one, unless he's going to take part in this arc, he'll probably get his own arc as the villain.
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You know, the crazy lengths being gone to to try and save Gon, after he got a brief out of the blue powerup that he only had for a few minutes (And not even against the main badguy of the arc), but loaded with negative consequences…
just makes Fairy Tail's regular "We'll use tomorrow's power today!" BS all the worse.
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I thought that they kept the same voice actors aside from Hisoka's?
I don't think they did. Kil sounds younger and girlier in the new anime
But I could be wrong
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There's a trend lately of stating how right now HxH is much better than OP. Like, everywhere. Here, in the OP manga section, the TOC thread, the Post your pics part 3 and even the (awesome) Avenger Stefan thread. It's basicaly EVERYWHERE!!!
note 1: Some of these weren't true. Guess which ones.
note 2: People are quite expeditive with OP lately, I get it it's not the best arc, but seriously, some guys are already looking like giving up on it like it's the next Naruto Post Time Skip. . .
note 3: I also find the latest HxH chapters excellent, that's just common sense. That being said, the Ant arc conclusion doesn't hold a candle to the current Zoldyck/Save Gon/Save Alluka/Elections arc. At least, to me. Good, but not stellar. Just like the current OP arc : Not stellar, but definitely Good. Or at least decent enough.
note 4: This is not a rage post. I'm not an Oda fanboy. Shit, did I say Oda? I meant Goda. But no fanboyism here!
Edit: And of course, most of this isn't directed at you, Oga. I was just taking it out of my insides. Peace and love here!
Weirdly enough it took me a while (and quite a bit of denial) to realise that Hunter X Hunter is a better shonen then One Piece.
Now I don't want to generalise the entire fanbase here but I think that Togashi's recent chapters have given us what we expected the Fishman Island to be - a flawless mix of exposition, character development and excitement. Alternately I've found that Fishman Island has not kept to a solid pace and thus felt like it was too rushed in the adventure aspect in turn making the fighting seem waaaayyyyyy toooooooo slooooooowwwww. Maybe once Oda moves on from Fishman Island and we have a real adventure arc the people who are not just obsessed with action will begin to embrace One Piece again but at the moment Hunter X Hunter is king.
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I bet if Oda took 7 years to get through a single arc with lengthy vacations all throughout he could plan an amazing handful of chapters too. (And yes, a combination of factors has caused him to flub the FI arc in several ways, but it hasn't been outright bad in any way. Just really rushed and with the leads overpowered.)
Good as Togashi is doing at the moment, I just can't respect him when he's gone on hiatus as much as he has. I've always said if he could just keep going he'd be head to head with Oda for favorite running shonen. If he delivers week in and week out for a couple years straight, great. Until then, eh. He's just a lazy bastard who's had a lot of time to think about a couple chapters.
Someone that delivers an 8 out of 10 forty five times a year, with an occasional 6 and an occasional 10, rates better in my book than someone who delivers a 10 four times in a row then delivers 0 for the next year.
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Well, it depends on what you're looking for in a Shounen. I love both Hunter x Hunter and One Piece, but in completely different ways. For example, one thing I really love is how One Piece actually handles very deep and aspects of society from racism, slavery, and how to learn acceptance of others to a younger demographic. It does all of this while also handling a well told and coherent story, actual humor, and characterization.
Hunter x Hunter manages to handle psychological issues very well while still doing mind games when it comes to fights and other issues. It also shows obvious fore-planning with the chapters, so there's no way in heck someone could make Hunter x Hunter while they're going along. I also believe it's come up with the most complex fighting system with nen. I'd be glad if someone else can point out a manga where they can think of another manga with that complex of a system.
For the moment though, I'm enjoying Hunter x Hunter more.
@Robby Yeah….I'm kinda curious to see the comparison between chapters released for Berserk and Hunter X Hunter since the beginning of all of the major hiatuses. Though I still know Berserk chapters have more(and better) art and pages.
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JoJo's Bizarre adventure has a pretty interesting variety of abilities, but its not quite as thought out and balanced as Hunter's.
I don't think you're going to find a system as thought out as Hunter's anywhere else. Naruto randomly rips off aspects of it, after years of not even hinting at it, but then abandons and forgets them a week later.
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@RobbyBevard:
You know, the crazy lengths being gone to to try and save Gon, after he got a brief out of the blue powerup that he only had for a few minutes (And not even against the main badguy of the arc), but loaded with negative consequences…
just makes Fairy Tail's regular "We'll use tomorrow's power today!" BS all the worse.
In all fairness, Hunter X Hunter is intended to be a much darker series (for a Shonen) than Fairy Tail. Fairy Tail is actually fairly lighthearted compared to most Shonen. I've read some of your works too, Robby (Particularly Pirates vs. Ninjas, which I love), and they're also comparatively dark to Fairy Tail.
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@Sonic:
I like Killuas Ipad. It's a good update.
I don't like it.
There were always signs that the world of HxH was technologically situated in 1999-2000. But now that theory has to be dropped.
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I don't like it.
There were always signs that the world of HxH was technologically situated in 1999-2000. But now that theory has to be dropped.
Uhhhh…... There's also been signs that the world of HXH has technology situated decades and decades away from where we are now
(The tech seen in Greed Island for just one example)
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I don't like it.
There were always signs that the world of HxH was technologically situated in 1999-2000. But now that theory has to be dropped.
That's because the series has taken 12+ years to write due to all of Togashi's hiatuses. When it started, the technology WAS 1999-2000.
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Greed Island is nen, not technology.
I know that the series had 1999 technology because it was being writen in 1999. But what I mean is that even if Togashi has taken 12 years to write it, in the HxH world it was only 1 or 2 years. So I expected the technology to be like 2001.
I'm not saying that it is an inconsistency, after all the world of HxH is different that ours. Togashi can do whatever he want. But I liked the 2000's atmosphere that the Yorkshin Arc had. Just that.
(Sorry for my bad english)
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Tablet PC conceptualy are VERY old, they precede personal computers in science fiction, I find it funny, not something that would make me go "omg suspesion of disbelive breached, damn you togashi!"
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@RobbyBevard:
Yeah, that year long break in January is really going to up the anticipation.
Robby, if this thread was the hunter exam, you'd be our own "Tompa". But seriously, I hope you are wrong, very very wrong.
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Isn't Naruto's near end something to take into consideration ?
I mean things are a bit different this time, even the anime coincides with the hiatus' end.
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Hunter X Hunter's definitely my favorite running Shonen manga, but I'm okay with its hiatuses. I've lived through every single one so far and at this point I'm pretty much adjusted to them. While it would be nice for the series to keep going, I'm really thankful that Togashi finally finished the Chimera Ant arc; as good as it was, it was something of a weight upon the shoulders of both him and his readers.
And even if it does go on hiatus in a month, at least Liar Game's back!!!
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Personally I'm enjoying HxH and Toriko more than OP currently. Let's hope Togashi keeps this up and Oda finishes this arc quickly.
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Would I be alone in saying I really wouldn't want a prolonged mind battle/cat and mouse game between Kilula and Ilumi that would take several months' worth of chapters to complete ?
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@RobbyBevard:
It must be nice to be optimistic.
About Naruto ending soon, that is.
I don't read Naruto, but I would be surprised if that ended before Bakuman. And I think if two major series ended, they'd want to keep at least half a year between them.
But that's off-topic.
I don't really want this arc to end, if Kurapica comes out it would be my personal favorite arc because it has Killua, Hisoka, Leorio and Kurapica with no Gon. Heaven.
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@RobbyBevard:
It must be nice to be optimistic.
About Naruto ending soon, that is.
Only Bee's death, maybe Jiraya, some kakashi drama and sasuxnaru remains i believe.
Oh well i'm just hoping it'll end soon…
E : Togashi and Kishi are friends right ? I remember a little ninja cameo in the Yorkshin arc back then, so HxH replacing Naruto would be...
Oh nevermind.
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Toriko replaces Bleach. HxH replaces Naruto. One Piece stays.
How awesome would that be?
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Kurapika you BAMF loving the new anime.
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Why do I think that Toriko is bland? It just seems to lack depth and make shit up as it goes. How about Beelzebub, HxH, and OP (assuming OP regains its former splendour at some point)?
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Anyone else notice Franky (OP) was doing the voice of the cellmate in this weeks HXH anime?
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Why do I think that Toriko is bland? It just seems to lack depth and make shit up as it goes. How about Beelzebub, HxH, and OP (assuming OP regains its former splendour at some point)?
because it doesn't have depth, although mit has story world building which bleach lacks, but it's one of those few mangas that you can just enjoy the hell out of without much of a plot, it does what Bleach (and most series) can't by try to do
although I agree beelzebub is better (in my opinion) but it's ratings aren't as good toriko, seeing as how it got VIP treatment, and beelzebub is a gag manga with shonen battle traits which don't usually do so great with fans (or so I've heard)
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Finally i catch up(i was in greed island),Leorio(i wish i could vote) finally has some use for the story,but is ability is strangely familiar.Although i still fill the same,the protagonist is okay but i dont find him interesting or cativating(perhaps his goal contributes a bit to this) , so far enjoy reading about Leorio,Killua,Hisoka and Smoke dude(Movau? dont remember well).
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Personally I'm enjoying HxH and Toriko more than OP currently. Let's hope Togashi keeps this up and Oda finishes this arc quickly.
I'm not saying the latest arc has been the best, but I really think people have been nitpicking it way too much. It's not nearly as flawed as people make it out to be.
And I don't think I fully agree either. HxH I could agree with, but Toriko not really. The last time I really enjoyed a Toriko chapter was somewhere in Gourmet Pyramid. I'm not saying it hasn't been enjoyable but it hasn't really been mindblowing. All though I admittedly haven't read the latest Toriko chapter so I should probably do that first before I compare. /Slightly OT.
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Toriko replaces Bleach. HxH replaces Naruto. One Piece stays.
How awesome would that be?
Very.
And Naruto will probably end by next year. There just isn't much more story for Kishimoto to string along. Let's finally put that disappointing, unsatisfying series to rest and be done with it!
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If Fishman Island had come right after Water 7 I don't think people would have as many problems with it, but it was delayed by Thriller Bark, Sabondy, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, and the War, so it built up a lot of hype and expectation.
It's biggest problems are that Oda sped through the opening, (there should have been another five or six chapters of getting to see the area first, and the flashback should have been longer) the cast is overpowered from their timeskip strength, the main villain was intentionally shallow, and we don't yet have the context of the likely second flashback to put everything into perspective. One of Oda's greatest strength is tying everything together nicely at the end of an arc by adding an extra layer to the whole thing (Skypeia is a much better arc the second time around.)
Togashi on the other hand, is much more straightforward and has more complex powers and setups. His endings don't usually make the entire arc better, they're just the inevitable ending. York Shin a second time is much the same as the first. There's no great huge surprise at the end of Greed Island that makes it all more emotional and relevent, and even the ant saga mostly relies on the drama created from the board game that had been going on the entire arc anyway.
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I'm not a OP Taliban, so to speak, so I get people not liking some OP arcs. Hell, I have a friend who just HATES Skypiea (you know, the typical argument "it iz plot irrelevaaant!", a wrong argument because: 1- It IS plot relevant, and 2- Since when is OP's appeal it's plot?? It's the adventure, the wonder, the fights, the characters, the conflicts. . .the overall plot is more a series of misteries to be resolved by the end of the series that keeps us intrigued, but in the end, I think One Piece is more the travel than the destination. Anyway, I digress. . .), and I have nothing bad to say to him, just people have different tastes and that's it.
But what I can't get is people "hoping" OP will "someday" go back to its "former glory days". Like its been years since the last good chunk of chapters or something like that. Realy? Just because we don't find a particular arc to be as good as before, does it mean it's author has lost its moho?? It's like people who hated the DBF just went "this sucks!" and then, bang, Water 7. TB also made people kinda disapointed, then, bang, Sabaody. Until Oda does like 3 consecutive bad arcs, then we'll start complaining, like people complained that Naruto was going downhill after quite some arcs of not doing things right, and everyone agrees that Bleach went downhill right after the end of SS, and its been doing so for some hundreds of chapters. If after 40 or so chapters of NOT SO GOOD chapters people think Oda is going downhill. . .then maybe we need to calm down a bit, don't we? Cut him some slack. Man deserves it.
That being said. . .Agree with Kareem, Toriko is awesome, but the last chapters aren't as good. Still, I would say Toriko and Sani riding a 300 meters snake to fight a freaking WATERFALL for 3 of 4 chapters was kinda refreshing and epic. Liked it quite a lot.
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Also people seem to forget that Oda has to re-establish a lot of his ideas (Marines, World Govenrment, and Pirate Hiarchy, and concepts (How the Straw Hats fight) now that two years has past in story. Paramount War arc was basically the climax of everything from the end of Baroque Works to Luffy's flashback, and it ended with the entire world structure being flung out the window (Whitebeard dead, rise of Blackbeard, Sengoku resigns, supernova's arrive in the new world, etc.) . It's going to take a while before the game board is set up and the next game can begin. It's not too surprising that HXH and Toriko are more exciting right now, they're continuing the same story they've been telling since chapter one.
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I've never really thought that Oda's lost his touch or anything, but I will admit that the last ~150 chapters have been generally pretty mediocre. Shabondy was quite possibly the best arc in the entire series, and then Oda just started down this incredibly mundane and frequently corny slope. Amazon Lily was so terrible that it's almost worthy of the rare title "objectively bad." Impel Down is probably Oda's best work in the past few years, but it still wasn't really that interesting. The War arc just felt like a bunch of guys jerking off together and though I give Oda credit for a few memorable scenes, it was a bad formula with poor execution.
I thought that those arcs were failing primarily because the main cast was absent, but even now that they're back and showing off their relatively affable interactions, One Piece is still really awful. I blame this fuckhole of an arc; it's probably the worst story arc Oda's told yet, but I recognize that Oda's fully capable of pulling the series out of the sewer and creating a genuinely great series again. He just needs to end this shit with JOY BOY and HORDY JONS.
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I'm starting Hunter x Hunter. Have read first chapter, I'll try to take it slower because apparently this series is prone to hiatuses and is really good. The art's a little strange right now, but I think I'll live through it.
Also, Bucephalus, why are you still reading One Piece if you think practically 1/5 of the series is mediocre/bad? Is it like some people reading Bleach and Naruto for the sake of habit or laughing at it or something? I personally think the Whitebeard War saga is great, considering how it twists the usual shounen formula and actually has something resembling a war, which is supposed to be chaotic instead of one after another one vs. one fights. To add to that it has a pretty great lesson to it.
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@RobbyBevard:
If Fishman Island had come right after Water 7 I don't think people would have as many problems with it, but it was delayed by Thriller Bark, Sabondy, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, and the War, so it built up a lot of hype and expectation.
It's biggest problems are that Oda sped through the opening, (there should have been another five or six chapters of getting to see the area first, and the flashback should have been longer) the cast is overpowered from their timeskip strength, the main villain was intentionally shallow, and we don't yet have the context of the likely second flashback to put everything into perspective. One of Oda's greatest strength is tying everything together nicely at the end of an arc by adding an extra layer to the whole thing (Skypeia is a much better arc the second time around.)
I agree with everything you have said there except I don't really think that the overpowered Straw Hat's deteriorated from the story as much as the fast opening. However this is really not the appropriate thread for me to go more in depth so I will refrain from cramming this Hunter discussion with a debate about the appeal of the Fishman Island arc.
On a related note an interview with Togashi and Oda is finding it's way around message boards. There has been no accurate source for the translation so unless there's accurate verification this is probably fake:
Source: October 2nd 2011
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/61049-Hiatus-(NOT-CURRENTLY)?p=2619321&viewfull=1#post2619321It's an interview with Togashi and Oda of One Piece. There's not much information there, but I can translate it. Don't know where the original Japanese source is, though again it really doesn't say much. This happened before the Ant arc ended.
(seems like there's text before here…)
T: Yes, as an author for Shonen Jump, sometimes I feel lacking compared to you. (I assume this refers to the fact OP is the Iron Man of serialization)O: Mr. T is too modest. When I was an assistant, I always loved your works for their originality.
T: I don't like stories based on formula. I always try to make things more interesting, more unexpected. I pay close attention to your work too. Your story is very emotional.
O: Haha, I usually make the character first, and then make the story to suit the character. What about you, Mr. T?
T: Sometimes I ran out of creativity and become tired. Usually I look from western movies, eastern wuxia (martial arts fiction), short stories, and legends for ideas.
O: I see. That's a great idea. Your characters are great. It must take a lot of effort to draw them?
T: Just a habit. Maybe I'm more influenced from old school.
O: The Ant arc is almost over? I think the latter half of the Ant arc is very special, and it gave me inspiration.
T: Thanks. I'm just drawing on and off, so there was a lot of break througout. I had some change in my style during the Ant arc. I'm impressed that One Piece always keeps the same style.
O: Sometimes I want to change my style, but it's risky. I'm sure Mr. T understands.
T: Yes, the publisher was concerned with the style of HXH and they are worried that the readers cannot accept, but I still pressed through. I want to show what I have in my mind clearly.
O: So, how far is HXH? Halfway?
T: It's hard to say. I have 5 or 6 stories in mind. If everything goes according to the plan, there should be at least 3 or 4 stories after the Ant arc. Of course sometimes unexpected things happen and mess up your plan. So, is One Piece over halfway done?
O: Yeah. I think I'm in too much of a rush. When a story is halfway done, I'm already thinking about the next story for my readers, so the story becomes rushed.
T: That means you never run out of creativity, which is a good thing.
O: The publisher helps a lot too. I usually tell them the general theme of the story, and they help me plan the details.
T: Shonen Jump has a lot of great works with a wide variety. Everything seems like they can go on for a long time. The new guys all have a sharp mind.
O: One Piece once worked with Toriko for a special. I think his (Toriko) work is very similar to early HXH. He must be influenced by Mr. T.
T: I feel the same, but my worldview is bigger than his. That's kind of like One Piece. Haha.
O: I see Mr. T is still a friendly guy.
If this interview however is verified as true it reveals more about Oda then expected. Namely his inability change his story style despite One Piece being a Japan's current cultural iconography. Hopefully this will not result in leaning on the formulaic to continue on.
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An interview… from a source no one can identify or point to the origin of? From a forum member that joined only a couple weeks earlier? With no picture or japanese text? And it wasn't in Jump itself or a color walk? Just "oh, here's this interview I miraculously found that no one else has seen or heard of, already translated into English."
Yeah, pretty sure that's fake.
If it's real, its really, really badly and loosely translated. He wouldn't be called "Mr. T" among other things, they wouldn't discuss the lack of productivity, and Oda really doesn't interview like that.. And there's no poop jokes.
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I just watched the 9th episode of the 2011 series. I can't decide if I like the editing or not. Yay cause it's shorter, Boo cause you lose a couple awesome moments.
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I have to admit, I did laugh at Oda asking about HXH being half done.
