I dont understand how the hell did Sanji make Fire? did he eat a devil fruit?
The fire thing is getting a bit exaggerated
So does this mean you can make fire without eating the devil fruit of fire? kinda stupid to me though
I dont understand how the hell did Sanji make Fire? did he eat a devil fruit?
The fire thing is getting a bit exaggerated
So does this mean you can make fire without eating the devil fruit of fire? kinda stupid to me though
Is that a Japanese standard? I'm curious cuz where I live, the standard is that hell is hot only.
I used to think hell was only hot too, until I read Dante obviously. You're probably right in that its not a Japanese standard per se - its still pretty fresh in my mind since I read Dante for class two years ago, so thats where I jumped first xP It is a piece of fiction (hopefully :ninja:) but I think this is where the interpretation stemmed from.
Brook's closer to the "lower" parts of hell than Sanji who is, while demonic at times, not deceased.
I enjoy that aspect too actually ^.^
Kinda like Impel Down, no?
EXACTLY
@sag:
One Piece: The only manga where an over sized sky Phyton makes part of the assets of a leisure park "futuristic thanks to Ussop:ninja:". I'm gladly impressed Oda.
To be fair I've never seen a Phytons tongue being use as a Bungee wire, and she doesn't mind at all. Nola looks actually happy. Btw Aisa looks amaizing, she's gonna be an outstanding beauty by the time she turns 18.Too much epicness in so few pages. Heads back to Mangastream and starts rereading the chapter once more.
@Baou:
Hahaha,I'm guessing that the bungee cord is all the rubber-bands that Usopp gave them strung togther :D
Gaaah,I noticed that Brooks attack,is like an upgraded,soul-infused version of his signuture attack "Hanauta Sanchō: Yahazu Giri"
and Franky turning Ikaros(Who has awesome arrow hair) into roasted squid…In the most spectacular way! With a beam!!
Zoro was the only one who's attacks had translator notes.Bias much :ninja:
@Baou Zakurg: sag d seb answered that for you.
@sag d seb: so i wasn't the only one whom noticed it, hehe.
Nola's tongue as a bungee cord … cracked me up before i even got to read the chapter, hehe
Since you're honestly confused about it. I'll try to explain.
First and foremost pacing doesn't have a lot to do with jumping through a timeline in a story, jumping through time can be ok if it's made clear to the reader(which is also something this arc didn't do well).
Also rereading wouldn't change/improve the pacing because it is inherent to the story at hand itself.Pacing is the art of having the events and specific moments(from built up to climax) of a story transpire in very natural/exciting way.
Idealy if your story has good pacing you avoid confusion, long boring passages of nothing happening or a climax that is way to long and in conclusion can't sustain itself(best example of this might be the marinford arc which had it fair share of whacky pacing).Oda's pacing during this arc has been very fast and somewhat confusing. An example of that is the jumping of the character perspectives during the flashback.
Thanks this clears up things a bit
What I now wonder about is how Oda could have avoided this shaky pacing. He had a lot of important and different characters he wanted to introduce. Any idea of what he specifically did wrong? I think he's been really cautious of making any arc too long since Skypeia
You know, know that Hyouzou is KO'd I realize what a crappy character he is. Really, its only his strength that's been developed, otherwise he's just an asshole who fights for money. At least the rest of the NFP share Hodi's character development. Hyouzou is just a hollow shell of a character.
Yes we want that, tell you what it's a fucking good thing to be as sadistic as possible to your own protagonist.
And now tell you another thing struggle can come in different forms it doesn't have to be an enemy that seems like he could squish the strawhats with his little finger.The answer how all these fights could have been way more engaging is more build up and smart handicaps. But that would have meant this arc would be even longer than it is now which poses a different question: Would that be really more desirable? Oda's doesn't think so apparent by the way this arc has been paced (very fast).
Saying that this arc has been shit is in my opinion way overboard, but it definitely isn't as enjoyable as it could be, but if people would look at the story structure (especially how the time skip affected it) I don't think many would find a way to make this arc better without stretching it into oblivion.
Also saying HxH sucks as a defense response is pathetic, even if you don't like something you should acknowledge the things it does, and bad storytelling is surely not one of them.
So how could it have been more enjoyable? Taking into account time, length, consistency as you touched upon
Someone simply saying this arc sucks is tantamount to saying HxH sucks. I actually don't agree, great series. My point is its an outrage to claim something without support. I see a lot of people probably thought ignorant of me for making such a claim. Proves my point that reasoning is the only way for accuracy
I think he's been really cautious of making any arc too long since Skypeia
And yet, Skypeia was probably my all time favorite arc xD Just because of how fleshed out everything is, and how vibrant of a world Sky Island was.
Gyojin Island has been awesome, but I wish Oda spent more time exploring and explaining things first, before the fights started. To an extent tho, Saobondy arc was the introduction, because the bubbles and whatnot were explained back then, so it lost a bit of its WOW factor.
Thanks this clears up things a bit
What I now wonder about is how Oda could have avoided this shaky pacing. He had a lot of important and different characters he wanted to introduce. Any idea of what he specifically did wrong? I think he's been really cautious of making any arc too long since Skypeia
That's exactly the hard question. And we can't really make anything but guesses that are most likely incorrect. We may be able to infer something the day OP finishes but well I don't think we'll care than.
Also people should remember even though Oda planned his story out he surely didn't plan every chapter out.
And doing all these small things that makes a story beyond awesome like great pacing on a weekly basis is pretty rough(I would even say nigh impossible but thats just me).
Oda might just ended up trying things out that didn't work as well as he thought(or at least I hope he thinks this way about it), if you pay attention to these things you notice that he has been trying a shit load of new things every arc.
I really can't dislike it all to much since i feel that OP is still better at it worst than the majority of the other jump powerhouses.
Also since you mentioned skypea, I can't really relate to how readers might have felt during that arc on weekly basis since I read it as a whole. But what seems like slow pacing on weekly basis definitly works better as a whole in retrospective(that noland flashback is really good if you read it in one piece) than having really fast pacing and trying to push things out.
I'm kinda confused about the term pacing. I don't see why it would be a problem…..Maybe if time was skipping back and forth centuries repeatedly I would see the problem. I also don't see why a complete reread wouldn't get rid of the problem entirely or why a flashback wouldn't constitute a change of pacing as its an entirely different story structure technique alltogether. I'm not really trying to argue here, I just don't see it
For me, pacing can really make or break an arc.
If it's too fast, it can be difficult to keep track of what's going on.
If it's too slow, it can start to feel dragged on and it gets boring.
But wait wait wait, theres a difference here. Its like calling Luffy Roger. Sure they have similarities and its clear what Odas saying about Luffys character being the only one fit to find One Piece but that doesn't make them the same. Its the same with Shanks, its evident that chances are you share a similar personality to one of your influences. Hody is in the same mindset with Arlong, but there is TWO VERY DISTINCT differences I don't think many catch. The first, that Arlong wouldn't dare harm any of his friends and the second more major one is, his pride in his own strength. Hody is completely relentless. Arlong? Sure hes ruthless but he has pride in his own capabilities. He would never succumb to using the drugs. Also about the low level Hody stoops down to, it may be the drugs. I read on OP wikia, that the ES drug may be based on drugs that make you not feel pain and completely impair your judgment. Either ways I like the fact that Hody is cornered again and again by Luffy and must resort to less and less for any success of his plans.
Those two distinguishing characteristics are the only thing that's keeping him from being just another Arlong.
I liked Arlong as a villian. He had a certain pride to him that Hody will never get.
Even when he crossed the moral event horizon after killing Belle-Mere, he was still likable.
Hody is not likable in the slightest.
But what makes the NFP not interesting? I will admit some of them seem lackluster but I can't find a reason except for the fact their weaker than the SH.
Like I said, some of them are interesting. Characters like Dosun and Daruma, I don't really care about.
Hyouzou was actually pretty cool, but he never did anything amazing or memorable.
Now this…..Odas constant mentioning of racism and hating humans has kinda been getting on my nerves too. My explanation for this, and I respect him for it, is that Oda is trying to make the message clear for his young readers in Japan. Kids know nothing about the civil rights era I would assume. By introducing this subject in this hugely successful manga its sure to catch the attention of many. I've come to understand Odas intentions and that actually made me enjoy the material more. Try it
I like the fact that Oda is touching on this big topic, but he's not the first mangaka to do something like this, and he definitely won't be the last.
I think we've already gotten the point about how much the Fishmen/Merfolk have suffered by the hands of humans, etc.
@Raging:
I'd like to see more of this. We can't predict what will unfold as we go further into this arc or how the ending will tie everything together. It pains me to see people giving out their final verdict already.
Exactly. I understand that some people want to give their opinions on an arc that's still ongoing, but they can't fully judge it when it hasn't even concluded yet.
HxH always felt okay to me,i barely connect or simpatize with characters(drawings seem devoid of passion and for something that took such long breaks it should be well written) … but this isnt place to discuss it.
About this arc:The pacing feels fine to me (i readed week after week ,im going to reread after its over in case im missing something ),depending on situation at hand it should slow down or make bit of haste,for me shouldnt stay the same.
I have no problems with enemy not giving trouble combat wise(they souldnt be this soon), i like the new characters introduced they got more depth with flashback and during the course of the arc , nice results of develpment with strawhats especially Usopp,Brook and Chopper,good new techniques overall(this something we have to wait to know more about).
The conflict at hand ,racism and things related with it(thats problem present at fishman island), we got before even this arc started hints about it,i think oda showed quite well without feeling forced, by chars and some outside comments,didnt feel shoved trough my troat atleast,anyway im not good explaining stuff,arc feels like one piece has it should be to me.
Those two distinguishing characteristics are the only thing that's keeping him from being just another Arlong.
I liked Arlong as a villian. He had a certain pride to him that Hody will never get.
Even when he crossed the moral event horizon after killing Belle-Mere, he was still likable.
Hody is not likable in the slightest.
To be fair though that's not the function a villain has to fulfill, although yes it's a bug plus if a villain has some form of charisma. And I prefer those kinds over the souless evil ones.
But I really think that Oda just wanted to try this kind of villain once.
Holy chrap what a fanservice chapter. Loved the strawhats not messing around anymore and jsut wasting these losers. Did any of them even take a hit? Jesus that was badass.
#1-Sanji
#2-Brook
#3-Manssop
#4-Franky
#5-Jinbei
#6-Zoro
#7-Chopper
Thats my ranking of how badass/cool the attacks were this chapter.
You know, know that Hyouzou is KO'd I realize what a crappy character he is. Really, its only his strength that's been developed, otherwise he's just an asshole who fights for money. At least the rest of the NFP share Hodi's character development. Hyouzou is just a hollow shell of a character.
I knew this for the longest time.
To be fair though that's not the function a villain has to fulfill, although yes it's a bug plus if a villain has some form of charisma. And I prefer those kinds over the souless evil ones.
But I really think that Oda just wanted to try this kind of villain once.
It's a good change to have a different type of villain every so often.
While I don't like Hody's character, I do like how Oda was able develop him into a creature born from all the hatred that was built up in the Fishman District.
I actually read the beginning chapter of this arc all the way up to Ch. 645, and I have to say, this arc works a lot beter when reading it full-on.
It's not a great arc, but I definitely enjoyed it more after a reread.
Couldn't have agreed more. I actually did try rereading this arc all the way until the end of Otohime's flashback, and it was great IMO. I'll definitely re-read this once it's finished; I feel this is an arc people will appreciate more if it's read in marathon rather than weekly.
Also, what's with the disappointment about NFP being completely outclassed? People complained they were fodder, and the very same people didn't want them to be utterly destroyed? WUT.
Fishman Island was doomed on this board before Oda ever started drawing it. It was:
-hyped as a location since the East Blue arc
-the site of several significant characters with mysterious backstories (mainly Jinbe and Fisher Tiger)
-the first major arc with the crew reunited in around two years
-the first step of the entire second half of the series
-the testing ground for a whole array of new abilities for the entire crew following a two-year timeskip
That's a lot on the plate for one arc. And one problem is that even if a fan's satisfied with his handling of one of those categories, he's bound to disappoint their expectations in one of the others. And seeing that this board tends to accentuate the negative…
Personally, I think this chapter pretty much encapsulates my response to the arc. Were the island, the villains, and the backstories somewhat disappointing compared to my expectations? Yes. Is it still a helluva lot of fun to see the crew back together and, for the first time in around five years, not struggling to barely scrape past an enemy? Absolutely. The art's still great, the humor's still there, and the central crew is still as likable as ever. Hard to think of any western series that's lasted more than five years that I can say that about.
Why would we want another Arlong though? One of the things I like about OP is how vastly different the "bad guys" end up being - everything from a Marine to the lowest scum of the earth fall into the villain category somewhere along the line so there's no reason to have a repeat. I mean, I'd be OVERJOYED to have something along the lines of Enel come back, but good things in small doses, yes?
Not all villains need to be likable. Heck, most villains aren't supposed to be likeable anyway, but Japan seems to overlook that a lot…
Fishman Island was doomed on this board before Oda ever started drawing it. It was:
-hyped as a location since the East Blue arc
-the site of several significant characters with mysterious backstories (mainly Jinbe and Fisher Tiger)
-the first major arc with the crew reunited in around two years
-the first step of the entire second half of the series
-the testing ground for a whole array of new abilities for the entire crew following a two-year timeskipThat's a lot on the plate for one arc. And one problem is that even if a fan's satisfied with his handling of one of those categories, he's bound to disappoint their expectations in one of the others. And seeing that this board tends to accentuate the negative…
Personally, I think this chapter pretty much encapsulates my response to the arc. Were the island, the villains, and the backstories somewhat disappointing compared to my expectations? Yes. Is it still a helluva lot of fun to see the crew back together and, for the first time in around five years, not struggling to barely scrape past an enemy? Absolutely. The art's still great, the humor's still there, and the central crew is still as likable as ever. Hard to think of any western series that's lasted more than five years that I can say that about.
I agree, this sums up pretty well my general stance towards this arc.
Not all villains need to be likable. Heck, most villains aren't supposed to be likeable anyway, but Japan seems to overlook that a lot…
I don't think that's true, villains can be likable and can be good villains at the same time.
If the best villains have to be likable is another thing altogether.
But I really believe that a villain that has a likable quirk does a whole lot to his character.
As an example the joker wouldn't be as half as awesome as he is if he weren't a clown.
Yeah a number one fishman is defeated by Zoro.
One thing to make arc better Hyozo had too "look" strong(because I'm feeling generous I'll fanfiction it for ya)
Hyozo and Zoro exchange some attacks
Zoro destroys Hyozo's first swords almost hits Hyozo–Hyozo blocks with tentacles Zoro:"!!"
Hyozo: "I'm an seven style swordman" takes out his named sword Hyozo: "with my trusty masahacho and haki armor on my six legs."
Zoro deals with the seven sword style
Hyozo calls up real blue ringed octopus to hide in the ground
Zoro almost gets hit by the poisonus real octopi so he had to do this:![](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/anon-uploder/for forums/Zorofight.jpg)and sit on the reverse side of his swords and fight one style sword with sword in his mouth
looks like Zoro is cornered but
Zoro says: "I wanted to see if I could push myself so I was only using a little of my strength"
Zoro does Rangoku onigiri–which has a different effect and look than regular onigiri (since Zoro is in a different stance) it defeats Hyozo and leaves three slash-craters deep in the ground. Octopi fall in the chasm and hyozo is destroyed
Zoro says his 'frog in well' line
Zoro takes a swig of Hyozo's sake Zoro: "huh, pretty good"
SEE Oda could have made at least Zoro's fight longer--both camps would be happier
Question, is there an alternative translation for this Chapter?
Maybe I'm alone in this, but its not that he has 8 or many or even infinite pop greens that make me dislike them. Its that it seems the pop greens are the ones that are doing all the work. It feels like he just shoots them in the general direction of the enemy and then the plant goes and beats up the enemy for usopp. Feels like he is a Grass Pokemon master.
Your forgetting that Ussop doesn't have any crazy power. He relies on his weapons just as nami does (even though she uses her forecasting abilities, without the weapon she couldn't do anything.) It's actually a very good ability. He can grow as many pop greens as he wants, experimenting with them, making more and more powerful plants. He can mix them with dials, and many other things like catching the plants on fire as he uses them as an attack, making the pop greens even more powerful.
Your forgetting that Ussop doesn't have any crazy power. He relies on his weapons just as nami does (even though she uses her forecasting abilities, without the weapon she couldn't do anything.) It's actually a very good ability. He can grow as many pop greens as he wants, experimenting with them, making more and more powerful plants. He can mix them with dials, and many other things like catching the plants on fire as he uses them as an attack, making the pop greens even more powerful.
Please let THIS be true!! If Usopp can do what he did with impact wolf,but instead of a wolf,it's a hawk,and it catches on fire,then Firebird star might still be in his arsenal.
I doubt they're going by Dante's Inferno, but in that interpretation, the lowest level of Hell (Called Cocytus) is divided into four levels: Caina, after Cain, who committed the first Fraticide, Ptolomea, after Ptolemy (not the famous scientist, but another one from ancient history), Antenora (after Antenor, from the Iliad), and Judecca, after Judas Iscariot. In Judecca is Satan (according to Dante, he's got three heads and is not only eating Judas, but Brutus and Cassius as well), and the whole place is frozen in ice. In Desperation, Satan is furiously beating his wings in an attempt to escape the ice, creating a fierce wind. So, Ice and Wind.
Buddhist hell is pretty much split between cold realms and hot realms, and even has one that specializes in wild beasts (ID level 2). If we really feel the need to guess where Oda's inspiration comes from, I would much sooner go with Eastern tradition than Western.
Fishman Island was doomed on this board before Oda ever started drawing it. It was:
-hyped as a location since the East Blue arc
-the site of several significant characters with mysterious backstories (mainly Jinbe and Fisher Tiger)
-the first major arc with the crew reunited in around two years
-the first step of the entire second half of the series
-the testing ground for a whole array of new abilities for the entire crew following a two-year timeskipThat's a lot on the plate for one arc. And one problem is that even if a fan's satisfied with his handling of one of those categories, he's bound to disappoint their expectations in one of the others. And seeing that this board tends to accentuate the negative…
Personally, I think this chapter pretty much encapsulates my response to the arc. Were the island, the villains, and the backstories somewhat disappointing compared to my expectations? Yes. Is it still a helluva lot of fun to see the crew back together and, for the first time in around five years, not struggling to barely scrape past an enemy? Absolutely. The art's still great, the humor's still there, and the central crew is still as likable as ever. Hard to think of any western series that's lasted more than five years that I can say that about.
I agree Oda set himself up for a lot.
What I don't get is how it was disappointing…. I felt someone moments were dragged others rushed than I would have liked......but the overall content seems very nice. I love Odas core decisions and handlings of almost everything presented. What amazes me is the fact that Oda is still able to recall facts from hundreds of chapters ago.
Like did anyone notice this?
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2200-3/one-piece/chapter-93.html
I hope I'm just not spewing redundant info. but Arlong in the middle panel talks about how he will give Nami food, clothes, anything she wants. This is a direct influence from Koala.
Koala had nothing to her name and its clear Arlong eventually came to somewhat like her before that breaking point of absolute betrayal. He feels feeding and clothing Nami is enough to justify the slavery.
I never got this first time around
Did Jimbei's attack actually pierce throughout the pufferfish guys body?? Like a spear? Or was it like Luffy's red hawk,where it was focused impact that when through.Cause with Jimbei,it looks like water is coming out of the exit hole
@CCC:
Buddhist hell is pretty much split between cold realms and hot realms, and even has one that specializes in wild beasts (ID level 2). If we really feel the need to guess where Oda's inspiration comes from, I would much sooner go with Eastern tradition than Western.
This really makes me want to see Sanji and Brook do a tag-team combo attack.
[http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/anon-uploder/for forums/Zorofight.jpg](http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/anon-uploder/for forums/Zorofight.jpg)
Fanfiction aside, this bad art is winner of "made my day". Lately, my days have been craptastic ones.
Question, is there an alternative translation for this Chapter?
Try here. It was in the spoiler thread: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=34321&page=14&p=2443038&viewfull=1#post2443038
@Baou:
Please let THIS be true!! If Usopp can do what he did with impact wolf,but instead of a wolf,it's a hawk,and it catches on fire,then Firebird star might still be in his arsenal.
I hope so! But one problem is that if the dial moves witht the plant, then it would be problematic to recover the dial. I want to see the Firebird Star again.
Like did anyone notice this?
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2200-3/one-piece/chapter-93.htmlI hope I'm just not spewing redundant info. but Arlong in the middle panel talks about how he will give Nami food, clothes, anything she wants. This is a direct influence from Koala.
Koala had nothing to her name and its clear Arlong eventually came to somewhat like her before that breaking point of absolute betrayal. He feels feeding and clothing Nami is enough to justify the slavery.
Nice catch. One thing I notice on that page is him calling Nami "cute lil' thing". After seeing the past of the Sun Pirates and what drives Arlong, that he admits she is useful and cute is a big stride…of course he goes on to say she's different from other humans. But the fact is that Arlong did call her Namaka (translated to crewmates) and given how Arlong fights for his crew(get enraged by anyone harming his crew) really marks him different than Hodi.
Koala had nothing to her name and its clear Arlong eventually came to somewhat like her before that breaking point of absolute betrayal.
When did that happen?
If Brook's new ice moves are going to be based off the cold realms of the Buddhist Hell, then I think this could be a hint at what new attacks he may use in the future.
Although, some of these are really brutal. Even for a shonen manga.
Arbuda – the "blister" Naraka. This is a dark, frozen plain surrounded by icy mountains and continually swept by blizzards. Inhabitants of this world arise fully grown and abide life-long naked and alone, while the cold raises blisters upon their bodies. The length of life in this Naraka is said to be the time it would take to empty a barrel of sesame seed if one only took out a single seed every hundred years.
Nirarbuda – the "burst blister" Naraka. This Naraka is even colder than the one above, and here the blisters burst open, leaving the beings' bodies covered with frozen blood and pus.
Aṭaṭa – the Naraka of shivering. Here the beings shiver in the cold, making an aṭ-aṭ-aṭ sound with their mouths.
Hahava – the Naraka of lamentation. Here the beings lament in the cold, going ha, ho in pain.
Huhuva – the Naraka of chattering teeth. Here the beings shiver as their teeth chatter, making the sound hu, hu.
Utpala – the "blue lotus" Naraka. Here the intense cold makes the skin turn blue like the color of an utpala waterlily.
Padma – the "lotus" Naraka. In this Naraka the blizzard cracks open the frozen skin leaving one raw and bloody.
Mahāpadma – the "great lotus" Naraka. Here the whole body cracks into pieces and the internal organs are exposed to the cold and they also crack.
Ok this chapter was full of win. Franky's beam was awesome, Chopper's power smash was nice, Usopp's sniping was amazing, Zoro is a beast as always, Sanji's hell memories might be my favorite finisher from this chapter, and Brook was zoo freaking cool. Also Jinbe seems to be left out of the glory by a lot of you his water attack was sick! The attack literally went straight through Wadatsumi.
Off-topic: About the whole pacing of this arc, I actually thought it was well done. I mean we have to remember that a lot of the stuff in the arc was brought up before it started. Usually we go in blind and things are explained along the way but this time we had some prior knowledge. We knew some the characters already like Hachi, Pappaug, Camie, and Jinbe. We knew about slavery, and the world nobles. We knew about Arlong and a we have already heard about Fisher Tiger. I could go on but you get the point this arc didn't need to be a s long as some others because a to of the information and concepts were already established beforehand.
Anyways great chapter.
@CCC:
Buddhist hell is pretty much split between cold realms and hot realms, and even has one that specializes in wild beasts (ID level 2). If we really feel the need to guess where Oda's inspiration comes from, I would much sooner go with Eastern tradition than Western.
Curiously, the 3 traditional categories of punishments, according to the Chinese hell, known as DiYu, consist of being burned by fire, chopped by blades, and torn apart by beasts (literally, spilling blood). Somehow, I imagined back to the monster trio…
When did that happen?
I got the vibe that he came to get along with her despite still distrusting her. There was nothing to indicate Arlong couldn't have changed his mindset if not for FTs death.
http://www.mangatoyou.com/One_Piece/623/08/
That expression. That smile. He knows Koala thinks of them as good people
in my opinion, Sanji having fire powers is kinda a bad idea,, it makes him like he has a devil fruit or something….
the sky walk was great, but putting fire powers?
dont worry, its just me though.... I just think that he should have learned more super kick techniques rather than making a fire...
since it will only states that in one piece, you can create a fire without a devil fruit
1. Brook
2. Usopp
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Jinbe
6/7. Zoro
7/6. Chopper
My avatar perfectly encapsulates how I felt reading this chapter.
I enjoyed this chapter despite the jumping around. But it was a nice little show casing. Franky's Lazser was so awesome, and I liked that Robin had her sunglasses on while watching lol. Chopper getting control over the giant form awesome. Usopp's new attacks also sweet. Brook, very cool, pun intended. I liked the Sanji Jinbe tag team. Zoro not even bringing out the big guns to take down his opponet, amazing. And dropping more proverbs lol. I'm glad they are all steam rolling the notables to easily. They have plenty of time to come across difficult villains.
Except he didn't . He had to do some prep work first. He had to set those traps while dodging blows himself. He set up a situation where he could blast him with a big attack. It's not like he went okay I blast you now. What more were you expecting ?
What I'm thinking of is that remember back when Chopper blasted him out of the ground earlier, he was up in the air like he is now, which was the only point of those first two sets ups. To get him into the air. So why did Usopp not back then just shoot his finishing move at him?
The prior two moves did NOTHING but fly him up into the air in order to shoot this wolf plant at him. Again Usopp dissapoints me after the time skip. He doesn't seem stronger, only his plants do. If he had these plants back in Enies Lobby, could he have beaten a CP9 agent? I would like to think so. Doesn't seem like he is doing anything special. Nothing revolutionary about his acccuracy this arc, nothing like what he showed at Enies Lobby.
You know, I'm interested to see if Big Mam is going to show up after this arc, or just one of her lieutenants, or Division Captains, or however she does things. I'd assume that Kaidou and Big Mam (Mom? Whatever) do things differently than Whitebeard (with his divisions) or Shanks (who just has a single crew). We haven't even met a Big Mam pirate yet (unless Lola is indeed her daughter, though it's more likely that she's the daughter of that one New World Captain from the war, who looked almost identical to her), but we saw Drake encounter a Kaidou Subordinate, meaning that Kaidou likely has several crews or divisions.
@Cyan:
Frog? NO. HIPPO.
late to the party..but someone had to do it…
Fanfiction aside, this bad art is winner of "made my day". Lately, my days have been craptastic ones.
Try here. It was in the spoiler thread: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=34321&page=14&p=2443038&viewfull=1#post2443038
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"hope it flips up some skirts"-Brook
Gotta to love that skeleton guy
Your forgetting that Ussop doesn't have any crazy power. He relies on his weapons just as nami does (even though she uses her forecasting abilities, without the weapon she couldn't do anything.) It's actually a very good ability. He can grow as many pop greens as he wants, experimenting with them, making more and more powerful plants. He can mix them with dials, and many other things like catching the plants on fire as he uses them as an attack, making the pop greens even more powerful.
I'm all fine with that mixing and experiementing and combing and so on. But as of this time skip right now we have seen none of this. We have seen him just shoot a pop green at said enemy and basically walk away, let his "pokemon" do the work.
I did have a big ramble but cut it down to essentially this. We had a two year training period where essentially Nami was at Hogwarts learning magic, Zoro was at a Dojo mastering the sword, Franky was at Area 51 learning all the government secrets and building them, and so on with the rest of the crew.
Meanwhile Usopp ate to much and got fat, went on the biggest loser to lose his weight. Then as a parting gift Heracules gave Usopp his collection of Pokemon.
I mean imagine back to any prior arc and give Usopp these pop greens and the knowledge of whats inside of them. He would have been considered near monster trio if he had these back in East Blue. I have yet to see what has made Usopp better in these two years. His only ingenuity this entire time has been that attack on the holes in the ground, but that was Choppers digging skill and again something they could have planned the day after their fight with Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas. It did not take the two year time skip to give them that experience. They already knew how to fight an underground opponent. Also he could have also used his gas dial and an exploding star to accomplish same feat as that pop green did.
So what did he accomplish in two years? We have seen no snipping skill so far. Nothing like his sniping at Enies Lobby. We haven't seen how he improved his slingshot or anything like that, like how he did with the dials after skypiea. All we have seen is him summon some grass pokemon to fight for him or whatever the situation requires.
It really feels like Usopp's pop greens are deux ex machina's. He just shoots magically whatever grass thing conveniently is perfect for the situation. I am not a fan.
Now I know this arc isn't the best to showcase their abilities cause they all seemed too strong for their opponents. I mean I'm sure we can all agree that Chopper for example could have won without going monster form, and he essentially just slapped the bitch to win. BUT while this arc we were being shown how strong everyone got over the two years, it felt like in Usopp's case instead of seeing how strong he got, we were instead of seeing how strong Usopp got, we were seeing how strong these pop greens.
@Fire Fist:
I don't see why everyone's complaining about everyone but Hodi (mostly) being basically fodder; They've been training for two years with some of the most powerful people in the world. Zoro was training with the World's most powerful swordsman; it's no surprise he easily demolished Hyouzou… the only swordsmen I can see being a challenge for him now are Shanks, Vista, Samurai from Wano Country (these dudes killed dragons, something we've only seen in filler on One Piece), The Gorosei with a sword, and of course Mihawk himself. When you consider the training/research access (in Nami, Chopper and Franky's case), you should not be surprised at all with their dominance over the NFP.
As far as I get it. People are not arguing the fact, that SH's are able to brush foes aside like a pile of dust. It is the fact that FI was the arc a lot of people have been waiting for, the fact that Fishmen people in general should have been a lot stronger than humans and finally and what I personally find troubling is that if you are going to brush aside the foes which came on FI (btw I totally understand and support that concept after a 2 year time-skip), if you are…than do it quickly and dont drag the entire scene like a fresh bugger which has just been picked out from someones nose.
Imagine that idk USA attacks some small country. It would feel weird and kind of irritating if it would take them quite a while to bring them down.
Well this is how a lot of people feel. If SH's are in fact that much more powerful, why on earth all this problems and all the drama which we have been shown so far. We should have by all the rules and desires been out of this Island 10+ chapters ago. Speaking metaphorically of course
It really feels like Usopp's pop greens are deux ex machina's. He just shoots magically whatever grass thing conveniently is perfect for the situation. I am not a fan.
I swear, I want someone to punch everyone who uses this anymore. This phrase has lost its meaning since it has either been overused, associated with "ass-pull", or mis-used. The Pop Greens are NOT Deus-Ex-Machina. We know where they came from, we know what they are, and honestly, Usopp is all about inventions, so him utilizing gimmicks (in this case, various plant species) should not be such a disappointment. This is a guy who won his first real fight using a slingshot, a bottle of booze, and some gunpowder.
Usopp's a "sniper", but at heart, he's an inventor. Bugs with perona, Giant (fake) mallet with the Number 4 pair, Booze with Chuu… Plants now. What's the problem?
@Fire Fist:
I swear, I want someone to punch everyone who uses this anymore. This phrase has lost its meaning since it has either been overused, associated with "ass-pull", or mis-used. The Pop Greens are NOT Deus-Ex-Machina. We know where they came from, we know what they are, and honestly, Usopp is all about inventions, so him utilizing gimmicks (in this case, various plant species) should not be such a disappointment. This is a guy who won his first real fight using a slingshot, a bottle of booze, and some gunpowder. Usopp's a "sniper", but at heart, he's an inventor. Bugs with perona, Giant (fake) mallet with the Number 4 pair, Booze with Chuu… Plants now. What's the problem?
Thanks for defending Usopp, I've been keeping silent since most have made up their mainds and it annoys me to have a round-and-roun-and-round arguements.
Remember in his first real fight he finnished it off with a real work hammer, not a hammer-shaped ballon with frying pans inside marked 5 ton (Mr.4), or just a bigger ballon with writting 10 ton (Perona), He used an actual work hammer to knock a fishman unconcsious (Chew).
Funny your argument center around his prior fights, which I believe I defended and was the reason for my bitching. He USED to have ingenuity and unique ways of fighting using limited resources. Combining gas and fire to make an explosion. Combining alcohol and gunpowder, combining wind dials and shock or fire dials to make electricral or fire birds. Masking the scent of gas behind rotten eggs, using lies to shoot either tobasco sauce or gunpowder, ect.
Usopp was like our own little McGyver. Now he is our Ash Ketchum. There is no strategy involved, no inventiveness, no neat factor, just BAM big powerful plant comes to save the day.
His so called "strategy" this fight was to get the enemy in the air in order to have an easy target to shoot his finisher at. In chapter 636 Chopper sent that same guy "Flying into the air" So could not have Usopp finished him off back then? Or lets even look at this chapter. When the wolf is coming at him, he doesn't even seem to think to dodge even if he could, he plans to "bite it to shreds", thus why could not have Usopp shot that at him in the start of the battle and just been done with it?
Before the timeskip we had the crew say what they will become for Luffy, from Chopper saying he will become a Monster to Nami saying she will learn all about weather and the New World weather and sailing. What did Usopp say? I believe it was he will become the TRUE SNIPER KING. I want you guys to show me even one ounce of decent sniping skills this arc? He feels more like a rogue to me than a sniper. He has set traps around that spring on their own and then he shot a plant at the falling enemy that finished him off for usopp.
I mean just look at the spreads. Brook's in his spread, Zoro's in his, Chopper is in his, Franky is in his, and so on. All ATTACKING. Meanwhile in Usopp's spread it is a giant wolf attacking. Its like Usopp's animal companion beat the enemy.
About the chapter:
It was a good one with great action scenes, good art and had its good SH feeling.
Keep going like that, Oda!
And finally the NFO band is defeated at last…
They bored me to hell.