I'll agree that fishman island just feels stale to me as well. I'm having a hard time understanding how things are oriented in the panels because fishman island is such a 3D place and im finding the characters and dialogue rushed, yet not fast enough. (yea) Idk, im looking forward to it ending.
Chapter 641: "What are you?"
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how do we know he hasn't taken a hit with both, I mean gear 2nd is pretty fast right, did it show anything when he killed the pacifistia, I just assumed he always used it now, maybe i need to reread
Oda is always careful to draw steam. The Pacifista scene showed us he can use it for specific limbs. Luffy only tried to use G2 this chapter when Hody bit him. He obviously didn't use G2&Haki in the plaza unless you think the, non steaming, Vulcanized leg• were in slo-mo for us readers?
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It just processed in my brain that Hody is planning on killing a mass majority of fishmen and a SMALL amount of humans. Even if he were to make it to Mariejoa he'd probably get his ass kicked and end up as an even bigger fool in jail and ridding the world of alot of Fishman. Though on a good side he might end the racism because the race will become extinct so there will be no race to be racist too >.>
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Well his hate comes from something pretty deep and personal because he changed his original plan from "Become King of Fishman Island" to "Kill everyone on Fishman Island" so he's given up on going to Reverie. Next chapter we'll really see why he would go so far.
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Well his hate comes from something pretty deep and personal because he changed his original plan from "Become King of Fishman Island" to "Kill everyone on Fishman Island" so he's given up on going to Reverie. Next chapter we'll really see why he would go so far.
Maybe not cuz remember when franky asked brook something (I don't remember what exactly) and we found out like 3 or 4 chapters later. Ithink Oda will show us what Hody said later
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Oda is always careful to draw steam. The Pacifista scene showed us he can use it for specific limbs. Luffy only tried to use G2 this chapter when Hody bit him. He obviously didn't use G2&Haki in the plaza unless you think the, non steaming, Vulcanized leg• were in slo-mo for us readers?
No, um… maybe I'm just tired, I mean how do you know when he's using haki all the time, does he turn his fist black with every hit? some go so fast you can't even see his fist, I was kind of under the impression he always had some amount of haki in his hits
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Maybe not cuz remember when franky asked brook something (I don't remember what exactly) and we found out like 3 or 4 chapters later. Ithink Oda will show us what Hody said later
At the end of the chapter Fukaboshi was about to tell Luffy what he said, so I'm pretty sure next time we see Luffy whatever Hody said will be explained to him.
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At the end of the chapter Fukaboshi was about to tell Luffy what he said, so I'm pretty sure next time we see Luffy whatever Hody said will be explained to him.
You never know, Oda might go back to the rest of the straw hat fights for the next few chapters.
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No, um… maybe I'm just tired, I mean how do you know when he's using haki all the time, does he turn his fist black with every hit? some go so fast you can't even see his fist, I was kind of under the impression he always had some amount of haki in his hits
It's best to assume that if there isn't anyone mentioning he's using Haki or there's no sign of it in picture, he's not using it. It's possible that he could be, but I figure Luffy has been holding back a bit against Hody. He might have gone all out against the Pacifista, knowing how much brunt they can take. He didn't take Hody as seriously as with the Pacifista at first, but that could change pretty soon, since Luffy realizes how dependent he is on the bubbles.
You never know, Oda might go back to the rest of the straw hat fights for the next few chapters.
I feel safe assuming Oda will return to the rest of the crew next chapter, but I only have a hunch that he'll skip right to them and leave out Hody's mystery a bit more. He can be sneaky like that.
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At the end of the chapter Fukaboshi was about to tell Luffy what he said, so I'm pretty sure next time we see Luffy whatever Hody said will be explained to him.
Luffy already knows what he said… It is only for us readers, that we don't know it
But you probably used the shitty MS translation...
Here Aohige's
Fukaboshi: Did you hear, Strawhat? Now we understand Hody Jones' true character
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Dumb prediction time: Madame Shirley has been manipulating/hypnotizing Hody to kill Otohime and to punish Luffy. [Conveniently freeing Hody from being an unforgivable villain…]
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@Lazy:
Dumb prediction time: Madame Shirley has been manipulating/hypnotizing Hody to kill Otohime and to punish Luffy. [Conveniently freeing Hody from being an[B] unforgivable villain…]
Like other japanese villians ala Vegeta and Piccolo
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Glad to see that Luffy has still a long way to go when it comes to mastering busoshoku haki.
However, his new attitude somehow pisses me off. I know there is a thing called character development, but "protecting everyone and everything" is so not like him, and it kinda rings a horrible Bleach-bell for me. Where the hell does that come from?
Jimbei promised Luffy meat if he became the hero of FI.
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@Lazy:
Dumb prediction time: Madame Shirley has been manipulating/hypnotizing Hody to kill Otohime and to punish Luffy. [Conveniently freeing Hody from being an unforgivable villain…]
It was all a setup by the Red Skull.
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It was all a setup by the Red Skull.
But where does Hodi being a Replicant fit into all this?
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Hody isn't set up, I can't believe people STILL want to think there's someone pulling his strings.
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Jimbei promised Luffy meat if he became the hero of FI.
Ehm…
yeah...
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Oh so Hyozou who mixed that pills with alcohol will die as well.
But it is really nice to see… OK the pills are cheap and he is already paying the price for shortening his life spam. But so was pre TS Gear 2. It was a power up for Luffy but he had to pay the exact same price... Did Luffy die? And he was spamming it as well.
Hody is using EP to getting his revenge as Luffy was using Gear 2 with a risk
Gear second and Ep are not the same.
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Hody isn't set up, I can't believe people STILL want to think there's someone pulling his strings.
Pulling strings? Of course!
DoFlamingo has obviously been hiding in Hody's fins this entire time…
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Pulling strings? Of course!
DoFlamingo has obviously been hiding in Hody's fins this entire time…
Maybe Hody's hair is really Doflamingo's coat ;D
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You never know, Oda might go back to the rest of the straw hat fights for the next few chapters.
This is why I said next time we get back to Luffy.
Luffy already knows what he said… It is only for us readers, that we don't know it
But you probably used the shitty MS translation...
Here Aohige's
Fukaboshi: Did you hear, Strawhat? Now we understand Hody Jones' true character
That truth was…?Well we'll probably still hear what it was. My whole point is that we'll know more about Hody's character.
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And I can't wait for. I had the feeling that something happened to him back than already
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…Why is it that I had no freaking idea what was going on in this chapter? This was the most chaotic chapter in One Piece I've read.
Who was telling Luffy about "You've met this person before! I know what's transpired," or something? I was so lost.
And it looked like the prince beat Hodi down twice, but then all of a sudden the prince is covered in blood.
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Fukaboshi never beat down Hody. He tried to attack him and both times Hody slashed him with Kirasame. Manboshi also protected Shirahoshi from a Fishman Karate attack from the Great White. Also, at the end Luffy is receiving a message from Fukaboshi through a miniature den-den mushi.
It's not that hard to follow. Try reading it a little slower and that may possible help you.
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No, um… maybe I'm just tired, I mean how do you know when he's using haki all the time, does he turn his fist black with every hit? some go so fast you can't even see his fist, I was kind of under the impression he always had some amount of haki in his hits
Oda made it a point to show us he was using Haki vs. Hody. Oda had Sentomaru tell us he used it versus the Pacifista. I see no reason to assume he used Haki vs. Jinbe, VDD, Hyozou's Trio, or fodder Fishman. Oda actually drew sparks when he hit the Pacifista. Those sparks mixed in G2's smoke and sonic boom should be our indicator of Haki+G2.
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Well there were sparks back than in Thriller Bark and EL as well but no one ever thought it was haki. I wouldn't take the sparks as evidence for haki
Examples
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv98/Joshua000/14.png
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv98/Joshua000/One_Piece-413-18-19.png
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Late Review, deal.
So yeah mostly an underwater fight but a good tense one, love it. Especially the pulling off the fangs and breaking the fin sword. Nice foresight by Fukaboshi there, really saved their asses.What so now Hody has a legitimate reason for hating humans? Aww really? I liked it better when he was just being stupid without cause. Oh well. Guess next chapter its either a flashback or back to the fights in the plaza.
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Oda made it a point to show us he was using Haki vs. Hody. Oda had Sentomaru tell us he used it versus the Pacifista. I see no reason to assume he used Haki vs. Jinbe, VDD, Hyozou's Trio, or fodder Fishman. Oda actually drew sparks when he hit the Pacifista. Those sparks mixed in G2's smoke and sonic boom should be our indicator of Haki+G2.
As Kishido mentioned, the sparks aren't a good indicator. They're added in for extra effect of impact.
It's hard to tell exactly when Luffy is using Haki. We never got a good indication of Haki usage since the War when so many WB commanders/ NW captains could have been using it. To prove at a specific point that those users are utilizing the power, Oda would need to add in some extra indication that he can't add directly into the pictures. Because Luffy's rubber, it gives him a physical change for readers to see, so Oda wouldn't need to have Luffy or someone always state it. For anyone else, so far that we've seen, it has to be stated; otherwise it's only speculation.
Not disagreeing with you, only pointing something out for others to understand.
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As Kishido mentioned, the sparks aren't a good indicator. They're added in for extra effect of impact.
It's hard to tell exactly when Luffy is using Haki. We never got a good indication of Haki usage since the War when so many WB commanders/ NW captains could have been using it. To prove at a specific point that those users are utilizing the power, Oda would need to add in some extra indication that he can't add directly into the pictures. Because Luffy's rubber, it gives him a physical change for readers to see, so Oda wouldn't need to have Luffy or someone always state it. For anyone else, so far that we've seen, it has to be stated; otherwise it's only speculation.
Not disagreeing with you, only pointing something out for others to understand.The kind of haki luffy is using with his physical change is different from normal haki. this is personalized haki, again, he still hasn't been able to stretch the part he turns black, its definately something that will be explaine dlater on
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Those sparks mixed in G2's smoke and sonic boom should be our indicator of Haki+G2.
But does that mean Luffy used Haki on Wadatsumi? Seems unlikely since the attack did little to him while a Jimbei kick ruined his hand and knocked him on his ass and it was a twice as strong Wadatsumi who was even putting all his force and weight into a punch. And also because if Luffy hasn't seen the need to go all-out on Hody even under great stress, getting Decken out of the way who was really dangerous to Shirahoshi and not even when fighting Jimbei himself, it doesn't make much sense that he would do so on Wadatsumi.
As far as I can tell sparks are used by Oda to emphasize two things. Either "this attack was powerful as shit" or… not sure how to put it... people really hurting? Luffy gripping Hody's chest, Sanji hurting his leg kicking a Pacifista, Sanji's 1st kick on Jyabura - there is a "cracking" sound effect when he's recovering, as if the bones in his chin nearly broke - and Jimbei ruining Wadatsumi's knuckles all had sparks. Think there are some more instances though I can't recall them right now. The sparks on Wadatsumi seems more likely to have been because his tooth broke, it's kind of how Oda uses it. I'm not managing to convey this at all but if someone still gets what I mean, help me out in pinning it down into words?
I mean we probably aren't going to see sparks with every hit when Luffy gets into a fight where he's forced to use G2 + Haki all the time. I honestly don't know what the cue might be, it's hard to think of something, so maybe it'll just be intuitively obvious. Oda kind of messed up with this two different usages of Haki that do basically the same thing deal (attack power+), it's too confusing and unclear.
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I forgot all those instances of sparks but the reason for that is because they are different than what I was looking at. Against the Pacifista many sparks appeared around the Sonic Boom created where Luffy's fist extended. All these examples the sparks form at the point of impact or damage area.
Imagine this scene, this one, this one, or this with very defined sparks around the area Luffy's fists launched or in SA case the impact zone. Telling me that isn't a good indicator? Yeah Oda uses the effect for many Big Ass Hits but Haki+G2 is a big ass attack. Oda doesn't need to come up with an entirely new detail to indicate something new.
I mean we probably aren't going to see sparks with every hit when Luffy gets into a fight where he's forced to use G2 + Haki all the time. I honestly don't know what the cue might be, it's hard to think of something, so maybe it'll just be intuitively obvious. Oda kind of messed up with this two different usages of Haki that do basically the same thing deal (attack power+), it's too confusing and unclear.
Why not? Not like one extra detail is going to clog up the already detail rich panels in OP action scenes.
That really is the popular belief now? All Haki seems to do is harden materials. Hardening rubber turns in black. Hardening a regular limb does nothing to skin&bone.
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That really is the popular belief now? All Haki seems to do is harden materials. Hardening rubber turns in black. Hardening a regular limb does nothing to skin&bone.
Technically, CoA Haki creates an extra layer around your body that acts like armor, so it's not just "hardening". That's why nothing happens to skin and bones when it's being used, usually. For Luffy's "vulcanization", the armor is essentially fused into his limbs and creates that hardening effect. Once the ki dissipates, the limb returns to normal. That's how I've always looked at it.
And the sparks indicate nothing more than BAMF, really. It's not a necessary effect that always has to be pictured.
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Technically, CoA Haki creates an extra layer around your body that acts like armor, so it's not just "hardening". That's why nothing happens to skin and bones when it's being used, usually. For Luffy's vulcanization, the armor is essentially fused into his limbs and creates that hardening effect. Once the ki dissipates, the limb returns to normal. That's how I've always looked at it.
And the sparks indicate nothing more than BAMF, really. It's not a necessary effect that always has to be pictured.
be careful of using the word vulcanization! >.< people here get real stingy seeing that word.
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Finally.
Is Mangastream's translation always this shitty?
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ONE PIECE 641 RAW HQ
http://www.filesonic.es/file/2436226511/One-Piece-641.zip
Thanks Raw Piece.
Thanks again Redon.
Finally.
Is Mangastream's translation always this shitty?
As long as I can remember, yes.
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Against the Pacifista many sparks appeared around the Sonic Boom created where Luffy's fist extended. All these examples the sparks form at the point of impact or damage area.
So then you're saying he did use Haki against Wadatsumi? =/ That's… very disappointing if true, and also makes little sense when we're trying to explain that he held back in various instances because "he's not going to go Pacifista-busting on just anyone".
Also, if he only uses Haki to power up in one way then I don't see why there's even a need for sparks to indicate Haki with G2? Since Oda could just show his arm turning black instead.
That really is the popular belief now? All Haki seems to do is harden materials. Hardening rubber turns in black. Hardening a regular limb does nothing to skin&bone.
Yeah, the popular belief appears to be what rubia said. Namely that Luffy can use either Haki to create an invisible armor around his fist and strike with that, like against the Pacifista, or he can harden his limb and attack. And presumably both at the same time. That all sounds like a big mess to me because it's impossible to know when he does the former, he could've used it all the time for all we know, but we don't because we have no idea of discerning it.
I've toyed with ideas like Haki functioning more like a hypothetical armor, as in it protects you like an armor might but there isn't actually something there. Like when Marigold set herself on fire, it was certainly her body that was burning but she was still unharmed, so the CoA can't have been like a "layer". Is that more along what you think then if you disagree with the two different ways of powering up the attack with CoA?
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641 raw on mediafire
http://www.mediafire.com/?p5b9iu5cdmzgczoso who is going to translate it
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So then you're saying he did use Haki against Wadatsumi?
Ummm…..no. There are no sparks in Luffy's sonic boom. You're looking at the impact instead of Luffy.
Also, if he only uses Haki to power up in one way then I don't see why there's even a need for sparks to indicate Haki with G2? Since Oda could just show his arm turning black instead.
In chaotic fights involving G2 you're not going to see Luffy's limbs. That is how this conversation started. Oda could just show his arm going black in the beginning of a serious fight and we could just assume he is continuing to strike with vulcanized Jet attacks, but the question was how do we tell now since one guy said he assumed Luffy used haki in all of his post-ts encounters.
Yeah, the popular belief appears to be what rubia said. Namely that Luffy can use either Haki to create an invisible armor around his fist and strike with that, like against the Pacifista, or he can harden his limb and attack. And presumably both at the same time. That all sounds like a big mess to me because it's impossible to know when he does the former, he could've used it all the time for all we know, but we don't because we have no idea of discerning it.
Again, that is the genesis of this conversation and why I said the sparks in the sonic booms are the indicator so we're not guessing or making assumptions.
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I see what you mean now, but isn't the point where the sparks are in the Pacifista scene, the same place where its head was upon the point of impact? That's how I always interpreted it. There aren't two distinct points in that scene for the sonic boom and the impact.
Hm, that all makes sense then. I hope you're right about CoA only enhancing attack power in one way, that being hardening. People have spoken against it because the "normal" way is an invisible armor, and also because the hardening appears as if it is a specific technique using CoA. It's a bit depressing to me though if Luffy is going to use Haki x2, G2 and snapback for his attack power when other people use Haki x1 and that's it.
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I wonder why Luffy didn't use Haki on the G2 punch.
If you're talking about this : this. I think he used haki, since just after he comments how his haki isn't powefull enough to protect him from hody's jaws. (meaning he was using it)
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He used hardening on his shoulder, since that's where Hody hit him. We can clearly see that his hand that he punched with didn't turn black.
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Stop it with the damn haki conversation. It is brought up every single time, and it never goes anywhere. Bring the damn thing back up AFTER there is more info. THe same thing has been said every single time.
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Am I the only one who realized what this "haki can lessen severity of attacks" means?
This just told us HOW Whitebeard was able to survive all those hits. I've looked through this thread and I can't believe I'm the first one to point this out
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I don't see what all the confusion is Luffy has two types of coa haki one he uses hand in hand with his devil fruit which turns his hand black and the invisible armour which he naturally uses there has never been a clear indication of when someone is using haki which i believe is one of Odas mistakes, we have seen Whitebeard use haki Garp,Rayleigh but to us there is no difference, i think Oda tried to show Luffy using haki by showing the sparks, haki is a invisible force so frankly we don't have a clue who is using it unless oda adds something to tell.
Look at when luffy got bitten he was using haki this could suggest he was using it through the whole fight.
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Am I the only one who realized what this "haki can lessen severity of attacks" means?
This just told us HOW Whitebeard was able to survive all those hits. I've looked through this thread and I can't believe I'm the first one to point this out
True, but being a 30-foot, muscle-bound titan of a man didn't hurt, either.
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Am I the only one who realized what this "haki can lessen severity of attacks" means?
This just told us HOW Whitebeard was able to survive all those hits. I've looked through this thread and I can't believe I'm the first one to point this out
It would help create less damage, but really didn't apply to Whitebeard when he had holes in him and half of his face off. Protecting it any less wouldn't mean anything.
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I seriously hate haki…
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Haki is the invisible force that is able to make any thread extremely boring.
Please take this crap to the haki thread, don't ruin this one. Please.
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Haki is the invisible force that is able to make any thread extremely boring.
Please take this crap to the haki thread, don't ruin this one. Please.
hahahahahhahah <3