And even if that wasn't the case you yourself admit robin wasn't sought out. "It was always this way except that time when it wasn't"
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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@RobbyBevard:
Nope. Shipwright is the ONLY time they were actively looking to fill a slot, and even then they didn't just go with the first guy they found. Everyone else HAPPENED to have a job skill after the fact. But Luffy didn't know Chopper was a doctor or Brook a musician until AFTER they had joined. (Yes, they NEEDED a navigator, cook, doctor, etc… but they weren't looking for someone to fill the role, that was just a bonus after Luffy found someone he liked) And Zoro, Usopp and Robin are all without official jobs on ship, aside from what they took up after being on the boat. Don't forget he's also invited Gaimon, Vivi, and various creatures on Thriller Bark to join the crew too. And none of THEM would have served a role.
To be fair, I think they were also looking for a cook. After seeing Yosaku so sick from malnutrition they reflected on needing a cook for the grand line, and based on this Johnny and Yosaku took them to Baratie.
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Actually we can`t argue with "points a new nakama has to fulfill", because each SH could be seen as an exception from such a rule. Each person Luffy met during his journey soemhow showed to him that they were good people and by that worth to be part of his crew. Sometimes it was obvious sometimes he just thought they look cool (Chopper,Brook). The whole crew consists of totally different characters which all just have one thing in common: they all want to help Luffy with his dream..they also have their own dreams and pasts(showed in flashbacks), but Luffy showed them that he stands behind them no matter what and that is what they all want to return to him. Simple as that.
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900 pages. Sweet.
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I'm just waiting for Jinbe to join so we can see him do the basket dance with chopsticks up his nose.
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@RobbyBevard:
I'm just waiting for Jinbe to join so we can see him do the basket dance with chopsticks up his nose.
YES!!! Hilarious… Though if Robin ever did it I'd be frightened.
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@RobbyBevard:
I'm just waiting for Jinbe to join so we can see him do the basket dance with chopsticks up his nose.
If he does become a SH, I expect him to be more like Robin than any other character. He's not a cheery guy, though I can see characters like Usopp/Chopper/Brook trying to get him to smile or laugh (he wouldn't).
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Robin is all for the chopsticks up the nose…
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Let's get it to a thousand pages before he joins… I'm sure that's possible. For example - VDD should join! Now argue. :ninja:
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Or better yet…Gin comes out of nowhere and joins. OR Mr. 2 really isn't dead..and comes out of nowhere to join.
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16 shitty chars of Sabo.
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@RobbyBevard:
Nope. Shipwright is the ONLY time they were actively looking to fill a slot, and even then they didn't just go with the first guy they found. Everyone else HAPPENED to have a job skill after the fact. But Luffy didn't know Chopper was a doctor or Brook a musician until AFTER they had joined. (Yes, they NEEDED a navigator, cook, doctor, etc… but they weren't looking for someone to fill the role, that was just a bonus after Luffy found someone he liked) And Zoro, Usopp and Robin are all without official jobs on ship, aside from what they took up after being on the boat.
I did watch the anime for all the early episodes, but Luffy was looking for all of them. Luffy had no nakama so sought out Zoro, Luffy and Zoro decided they needed a navigator because neither of them are good with directions, Luffy was looking for a boat and that's why they asked Kaya for one [with Usopp coming along], they needed a cook because of Yosaku, needed a doctor because Nami was sick, Franky you agree, and since volume 1 Luffy wanted a musician.
Don't forget he's also invited Gaimon, Vivi, and various creatures on Thriller Bark to join the crew too. And none of THEM would have served a role..
And none of them joined…
I'm not saying this is bulletproof evidence that Jinbe is not joining, I think the signs are pointing that he is; however, personally I just don't see it. I feel like with Zoro and Sanji's new underwater powers it is a bit hax having Jinbe on the crew, and I'm not sure there should be a fishman on the world's next most notorious pirate crew (although this argument could be easily turned around).
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If he does become a SH, I expect him to be more like Robin than any other character. He's not a cheery guy, though I can see characters like Usopp/Chopper/Brook trying to get him to smile or laugh (he wouldn't).
Yeah, Jinbei will definitely have one of the more parent/stoic roles in the SH's (Robin, Zoro, Nami.. sometimes) but I can also see him having some lighter moments.
Or better yet…Gin comes out of nowhere and joins. OR Mr. 2 really isn't dead..and comes out of nowhere to join.
Mr. 2 isn't dead :ninja:
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@Lazy:
I did watch the anime for all the early episodes, but Luffy was looking for all of them. Luffy had no nakama so sought out Zoro, Luffy and Zoro decided they needed a navigator because neither of them are good with directions, Luffy was looking for a boat and that's why they asked Kaya for one [with Usopp coming along], they needed a cook because of Yosaku, needed a doctor because Nami was sick, Franky you agree, and since volume 1 Luffy wanted a musician.
Luffy didn't know Chopper was a doctor or that Brooke was a musician when he asked them to join.
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Sabo joins later. To be exact… Sabo joins after Luffy beats Capone.... Cuz that's where Sabo is hiding out....inside him.
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Let's get it to a thousand pages before he joins… I'm sure that's possible. For example - VDD should join! Now argue. :ninja:
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@Lazy:
Luffy was looking for a boat and that's why they asked Kaya for one [with Usopp coming along]
Usopp is a boat! :wassat:
(although that would explain some things)
I feel like with Zoro and Sanji's new underwater powers
The ones that were incapable of even saving themselves from drowning when they first entered FI.
and I'm not sure there should be a fishman on the world's next most notorious pirate crew
Racist!
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Man I'm so satisfied with this arc so far! I mean when you take all things into consideration, there is a lot of history on Fishman Island that will be revealed later on. The fights are going to be awesome and will give us a glimpse of the new strength and powers of the SHPs.
But back on topic =D
If Jinbe does indeed become a full fledged member of the Straw Hat Pirates, than that will speak volumes about Luffy's leadership as an individual. He'll have a former Shichibukai in his crew, I mean these individuals are known far and wide as being a very powerful force in their own right, and plus I'd like to see any of the other Supernova's coming close to accomplishing such a feat. This addition will likely send shockwaves throughout the OP world too, with pirates becoming increasingly intimidated by the crew. It'll be interesting to see how the Marines react to this as they can't just dispatch an Admiral to take them out. The reason I believe this is due to Jinbe being powerful and skilled enough to slow down an Admiral, and if he did it to Akainu then he can most certainly stop Kizaru and Aokigi. Of course he won't do it unscathed, but thats where Luffy comes into play.
I just believe Jinbe will be a great addition to the crew because he doesn't have to train to catch up to the more strong members of the crew, he will be a great diplomatic asset, his obvious knowledge about the New World (I say this because he has to know atleast a few things given his age and experience); him being with Luffy during the latter's darkest hour. Back in Impel Down, Jinbe told Ace that he won't help a human or person unless he finds them interesting (iirc) and he certainly found Luffy to fit the bill, a rookie back then.
Jinbe will most certainly join the Straw Hat Pirates.
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@Lazy:
I'm not saying this is bulletproof evidence that Jinbe is not joining, I think the signs are pointing that he is; however, personally I just don't see it. I feel like with Zoro and Sanji's new underwater powers it is a bit hax having Jinbe on the crew, and I'm not sure there should be a fishman on the world's next most notorious pirate crew (although this argument could be easily turned around).
So you see the signs yet choose to ignore them? Generally this means you can clearly match up Jinbe's development with past crew members but because of something like say his design or serious personality you just don't want him in the crew and will argue against him.
Zoro and Sanji may be more capable underwater but they can only stay there for a limit of time. The moment they burst into FI we saw that Sanji's Blue Walk was useless against a strong current. Sanji is by far the best member in the water at the moment, if that was his best then there is no way the crew would be "hax" even with Jinbe.
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It's head vs heart. My gut is saying he isn't joining, my head is saying he is.
When I meant having Jinbe was 'hax' for underwater conflicts is that I'd prefer is Sanji & Zoro were instead as good underwater as, let's say, Norland or Rayleigh rather than have one of the strongest fishmen around.
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I'm shocked! I thought you knew by now that I'm not even trolling or anything, just my usual sarcasm. Sorry though. Warning noted. Be nice with me, I'm one of the good guys… Didn't want to encourage spamming.
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People keep saying that Jinbei will not have a role on the ship.Well I think he will be the guy who catches the fish for Sanji to cook and put in the aquarium(maybe thats why Oda is trying to show a relationship between the two?) Also with Jinbei on the crew, the straw hats will never be marooned on an island since he can just swim off and get them a ship or help.
Quick question, do you think Fish/mer people know about ALL BLUE?
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People keep saying that Jinbei will not have a role on the ship.Well I think he will be the guy who catches the fish for Sanji to cook and put in the aquarium(maybe thats why Oda is trying to show a relationship between the two?) Also with Jinbei on the crew, the straw hats will never be marooned on an island since he can just swim off and get them a ship or help.
Quick question, do you think Fish/mer people know about ALL BLUE?
No, because Fish/mer People Dream of the sun, so they haven't explored much of the World.
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People keep saying that Jinbei will not have a role on the ship.Well I think he will be the guy who catches the fish for Sanji to cook and put in the aquarium(maybe thats why Oda is trying to show a relationship between the two?) Also with Jinbei on the crew, the straw hats will never be marooned on an island since he can just swim off and get them a ship or help.
Quick question, do you think Fish/mer people know about ALL BLUE?I don't see a former Shichibukai and powerful boss type character famous the world round - joining to be they food supplier. If a food supplier was needed Hatchan suits that role far better - he has no qualms obtaining any ingrediant even the species he shares genetics with.
Plus he has been shown collecting food/supplying food 3 times Arlong when he fed MooMoo - His cover story - and in the flashback with Tiger, but with the new found powers and the size of Sunny and the fact they never seem more then a few days from the next island I don't think food supply is going to be an issue for them that requires a specific crewmember being recruited for it.If Jinbei does join it is more likely he will be 2nd in command - while Zoro assumes that role he is only interested in being the best swordsmen and seems to have no desire to lead - infact I believe his lack of direction is a clear indication he is not meant to be a leader. Zoro looks at things in a weird logic - by searching for the easiest sollution "Go north …. up is north" Jinbei has a more analytical personality.
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No, because Fish/mer People Dream of the sun, so they haven't exploited much of the World.
did you mean explored?
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If Jinbei joins to become first mate I will literally die on the spot. That's not how the crew works, there is no first mate, and Jinbei cannot just surpass Zoro.
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I don't see a former Shichibukai and powerful boss type character famous the world round - joining to be they food supplier. If a food supplier was needed Hatchan suits that role far better - he has no qualms obtaining any ingrediant even the species he shares genetics with.
Plus he has been shown collecting food/supplying food 3 times Arlong when he fed MooMoo - His cover story - and in the flashback with Tiger, but with the new found powers and the size of Sunny and the fact they never seem more then a few days from the next island I don't think food supply is going to be an issue for them that requires a specific crewmember being recruited for it.If Jinbei does join it is more likely he will be 2nd in command - while Zoro assumes that role he is only interested in being the best swordsmen and seems to have no desire to lead - infact I believe his lack of direction is a clear indication he is not meant to be a leader. Zoro looks at things in a weird logic - by searching for the easiest sollution "Go north …. up is north" Jinbei has a more analytical personality.
Yeah I guess you're right about the food supplier part, but I dont know I have always thought of Nami as the second in command9if its true that Zoro would not give a shit about the position) I don't think anyone in the crew except zoro actually ever questions her decisions.So if HE wont be a food supplie, maybe he will be like Robin in the New World knowing JUST enough information without spoiling anything.
@Rev777(hope you dont mind the shortening of the name) Does the fact that they want to go to the sun mean that they wouldn't know about ALL BLUE, isn't it like fish heaven and they are Fish
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If we're thinking about a named profession, I'm not taking any guesses that haven't been said already. But if we're talking about what he'll be good for on the ship, I don't think they necessarily have to end with his official role.
Usopp, besides being the sharpshooter, has also acted as the de facto artist designing their Jolly Roger and initial ship maintenance man. Before Sanji joined (according to Straw Hat Theater, at least), Nami made the food but wasn't called the official cook. Just because Jinbe would be useful for swimming, catching fish/sea kings, lifeguarding, coming up with strategies or knowing some of the New World's terrain doesn't mean his official job has to coincide with any of those.
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I'm shocked! I thought you knew by now that I'm not even trolling or anything, just my usual sarcasm. Sorry though. Warning noted. Be nice with me, I'm one of the good guys… Didn't want to encourage spamming.
Yeah, I'm well aware that you were
spammingjoking. If I thought you were actually trolling I'd have no reason to bother with a warning.I don't see a former Shichibukai and powerful boss type character famous the world round - joining to be they food supplier. If a food supplier was needed Hatchan suits that role far better - he has no qualms obtaining any ingrediant even the species he shares genetics with.
Plus he has been shown collecting food/supplying food 3 times Arlong when he fed MooMoo - His cover story - and in the flashback with Tiger, but with the new found powers and the size of Sunny and the fact they never seem more then a few days from the next island I don't think food supply is going to be an issue for them that requires a specific crewmember being recruited for it.If Jinbei does join it is more likely he will be 2nd in command - while Zoro assumes that role he is only interested in being the best swordsmen and seems to have no desire to lead - infact I believe his lack of direction is a clear indication he is not meant to be a leader. Zoro looks at things in a weird logic - by searching for the easiest sollution "Go north …. up is north" Jinbei has a more analytical personality.
Dude… still with Hachi?
And the 2nd in command thing, while mildly intriguing yet really out there, is the most likely option? Just what... Maybe Robin can do it!
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did you mean explored?
My Bad, i fixed it, thx Mr. Prince.
@Rev777(hope you dont mind the shortening of the name) Does the fact that they want to go to the sun mean that they wouldn't know about ALL BLUE, isn't it like fish heaven and they are Fish
Yeah the Do, but i don't think They Got any Info about it aside from Being a Mythologic Sea.
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It might just be unfamiliarity, but Jinbe doesn't quite fit in the crew. Even shortly after meeting Brook, I felt he was rather at home on the ship. I'm still lost as to why I still can't see him in there.
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Dude… still with Hachi?
And the 2nd in command thing, while mildly intriguing yet really out there, is the most likely option? Just what... Maybe Robin can do it!
No I was pointing out that if they needed a fishmen to collect food - Hatchan makes more sense then Jinbei - it was to address that point soley - I'm pretty sure it's Jinbei who is joining now - but I'll stick with my prediction till it's officially disproven. That said I am not dissapointed in Jinbei I just thought Oda might have gone a different direction.
The 2nd in Command is the most logical for him.
If Jinbei joins to become first mate I will literally die on the spot. That's not how the crew works, there is no first mate, and Jinbei cannot just surpass Zoro.
You mean figuratively and yes he can surpass Zoro - since Zoro has no interest in being the leader. If Luffy died Zoro would not take over the remaining SH's he would fight to his death.
If Jinbei was 2nd in command he would make sure the crew made it safety.Zoro and probably Sanji would sacrifice themselves maybe Franky too, the rest of the crew don't HAVE to die they are prepared to sure but Jinbei would probably follow Luffy's orders and protect them - leaving the 3 mentioned above to give them time to escape.
Not that Luffy would die but if you look at it from that perspective who is more likely to get the crew to safety Zoro or Jinbei.
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This is just my opinion, but…
Splitting the monster trio or adding another to them is just as bad as forcing Franky to wear pants. He did it in Strong World, and let that be the only time thereafter. (Strong World isn't canon anyway.)
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I just don't see how he fits. Of course there will be a job for him if he joined, but to me it's the same as Vivi, I never really saw her joining long-term.
I just don't see him as a SH. There's a really good balance right now, all the characters are feeling a little like new characters, with new stories and new moves, why is there a need to disrupt that?
I personally like the 3-3-3 break down of the crew.
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@Lazy:
I just don't see him as a SH. There's a really good balance right now, all the characters are feeling a little like new characters, with new stories and new moves, why is there a need to disrupt that?
I personally like the 3-3-3 break down of the crew.
Just because you can't fathom or imagine the situations in the future that Oda has planned does not mean you will be any less enthusiastic or pleased with incoming stories featuring the next crewmate.
So many people get angry at chapters only to have them blown away by the very next one.
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@Lazy:
I personally like the 3-3-3 break down of the crew.
Except there are supposed to be two more, so that 3-3-3 may end up 4-4-3. I don't see Usopp, Nami, or Chopper ever graduating out of the bottom tier either.
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Just because you can't fathom or imagine the situations in the future that Oda has planned does not mean you will be any less enthusiastic or pleased with incoming stories featuring the next crewmate.
So many people get angry at chapters only to have them blown away by the very next one.
Don't get me wrong - if it turns out Jinbe does join, I wouldn't be too bothered. It might read differently, I will be upset (as upset as one can be about something quite trivial) if he surpasses Zoro in ranking.
If he joins he joins and I will welcome him with open arms. it will take some time to adjust to having someone like JInbe in the crew, but I'm sure by the next arc I'll be perfectly happy. However, personally, I just don't feel like it would happen.
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@Lazy:
If he joins he joins and I will welcome him with open arms. it will take some time to adjust to having someone like JInbe in the crew, but I'm sure by the next arc I'll be perfectly happy. However, personally, I just don't feel like it would happen.
Hey I was doubting it was happening too - I was expecting the SH's to fight with Jinbei - but with the way the chapters have turned out - it is looking more likely that Jinbei is joining so the sensible option is to back him.
I'm hoping for it to be a bait and switch but it's pretty futile hence I don't go on about it or come up with fanfic reasons for Hatchan - If Jinbei doesn't join this arc I will be incredibly surprised - If Hatchan does I will likewise be astounded - if it is anyone else or no one at all I'll be as confused as the rest of you here. -
Yeah, I don't think it'll even be that, considering the things that would undoubtedly ensure his joining, having a dream and designated ship skill, have been noticeably held back. There's plenty of evidence already, but if Oda were to truly try and pull a so-called "bait and switch" or "long con" on us, he would have stated these crucial things outright by now and then have it not mean he joins in the end. Other than Vivi (who even appeared in the cover spreads), Brook was the closest thing we've ever had to a bait and switch, where even when he outright agreed to join at first there was doubt among the readers till the very end.
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This chapter sealed Perona's fate, she will not be joining
Jinbe: Godfather - Family role
Monster quartet
Helmsman - also fits if you consider he's the only one that can alternate water waves/currents/summon a legion of whales to help them. He can also jump into the water, and break icebergs/physically steer the ship.I hope he doesn't contribute in the food supply, screw easy solutions, I love Ussop, Luffy and Chopper fishing scenes.
I seriously can't see him beating an admiral in the end-game though.. no matter how hard I try to imagine it.
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Yeah, I don't think it'll even be that, considering the things that would undoubtedly ensure his joining, having a dream and designated ship skill, have been noticeably held back. There's plenty of evidence already, but if Oda were to truly try and pull a so-called "bait and switch" or "long con" on us, he would have stated these crucial things outright by now and then have it not mean he joins in the end. Other than Vivi (who even appeared in the cover spreads), Brook was the closest thing we've ever had to a bait and switch, where even when he outright agreed to join at first there was doubt among the readers till the very end.
Not really Shift man.
Yes I agree the dream and details being held back really does help Jinbei's case as much as it can be used against him too. But the Bait and Switch and long con can be done without setting up Jinbei to be almost sailing out. That was done for Vivi doing that here would be a retread, I would imagine any outcome of a long con would have to be a single chapter switcharound - something that has people's head spinning once they have finished reading it so much they have to go back and read it 6 times just to be sure it actually happened.
But thats only a personal opinion on what would be awesome - what I think will actually happen is more along the lines of FI chosing to ignore Jinbei and no longer acknowledge him while secretly cheering him on, so they can go to the Reverie without the issues of Jinbei joining the SH's
Kind of like Nami's hometown shunned her pretending they didn't know.
The SH crew refusing to acknowledge Vivi publicly as one of theirs.And probably a few others I am forgetting, but yeah thats how I see Jinbei joining - even while I hope my million to one shot turns out correct
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@Lazy:
Don't get me wrong - if it turns out Jinbe does join, I wouldn't be too bothered. It might read differently, I will be upset (as upset as one can be about something quite trivial) if he surpasses Zoro in ranking.
Other than actual combat strength and the fact that Luffy's the captain, what "ranking" are you talking about within the Straw Hats?
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Other than actual combat strength and the fact that Luffy's the captain, what "ranking" are you talking about within the Straw Hats?
The idea that Zoro is second in command. Which has its reasonings, but with the SH crew I see all of them being equal, I mean zoro has a great deal of influence but other than Luffy I don't see a point in "ranking" the crew, it's silly.
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What's up with the fascination with Jinbe having to have a "job" on the crew? This seems like a poor argument against Jinbe. I don't feel that any character that would join will fill any specific job on the crew, especially since their isn't any gaping holes to be filled anymore (such as a navigator or cook or doctor). At least any role they fill won't be their sole reason of joining. It would be dumb for a character to appear and be like, "Hey, I'm a professional ship cleaner! I like you guys, let me go with you and clean your ship!" and then the crew accepts him because, well, they don't have a ship cleaner! Some of the posts on here make me believe that people want a moment just like that.
Jinbe has the trust and friendship of the captain and that is all you need in this crew. To support that, I would point to Chopper and Brooke not being asked to join because of their possible duties on the ship, but because Luffy found them to be interesting.
I do believe Jinbe will join.
I think that Jinbe being so well established before the time skip is a huge plus. He has so much more character and strength than any other possible candidate and those are things that are needed. It would be hard for any new character to be thrown into the crew at this point and have the readers believe they fit into the crew strength-wise after two years worth of training. Not a problem with Jinbe.
The argument about him being too strong or breaking up the monster trio isn't a great one either. As we have seen so far this arc, Jinbe clearly recognizes Luffy's strength. He wouldn't have entrusted such an important fight to him if he didn't. Not that Jinbe couldn't do it himself, it just shows trust. Have we clearly seen that Luffy is superior to Jinbe in strength? Maybe we haven't seen that just yet, besides the COC, but as with his "dream" that most people believe he needs, it can come at any point in this arc. I believe it will.
As far as the whole monster trio thing goes, it really isn't an issue. There is no reason to believe that Jinbe is stronger than Zoro or Sanji right now anyways. If he is on the same general level of strength as them, then good! They will in all likelihood need more strength of that caliber in the new world. Adding a strong guy to the crew will do nothing to change the dynamics of the relationship between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji. Consider this- If you were to say that Zoro is the #2 guy and Sanji the #3 and Jinbe is about even with them as far as fighting ability is concerned, then why would a new guy who is not definitively stronger than the senior members, take over a spot of authority or importance?
In short, my belief in Jinbe joining the crew has a lot to do with the lack of any real reason for him to not join. Sure, nothing could come up in the story that would indicate him not joining and he still not join, but because there isn't anything at this point to indicate he won't, I see no reason to doubt.
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The general trend of this thread for the past few pages has been: good arguments for Jinbe joining, haters clutching desperately at ever thinning straws, repeat ad infinatum. Seriously people, height and shape? job on the ship? nationality in the real world? colour scheme?
It is increasingly becoming more and more likely that Jinbe will join. Anyone arguing otherwise is doing it mostly because they do not like him. I admit, I did not want him to join, but with the likelihood of his joining increasing with every chapter, I am not being a blind straw-clutcher.
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I personally think it's wait and watch time. Most of the cards have been opened before us, we just need to see how it ends.
I agree. Either way, I'm happy. Even if no one else joins….it's still fun to think about. A personal favorite prediction/fanfic scenario of mine is them running into an old friend from the first half of the Grand Line..at Reverie. Even though I know it's a long shot, I can't help but get that SQUEEEEE! feeling when I think of who it could be.
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If Jinbei does join it is more likely he will be 2nd in command - while Zoro assumes that role he is only interested in being the best swordsmen and seems to have no desire to lead - infact I believe his lack of direction is a clear indication he is not meant to be a leader. Zoro looks at things in a weird logic - by searching for the easiest sollution "Go north …. up is north" Jinbei has a more analytical personality.
So someone other than me can finally see it.
@Raging:
As far as the whole monster trio thing goes, it really isn't an issue. There is no reason to believe that Jinbe is stronger than Zoro or Sanji right now anyways. If he is on the same general level of strength as them, then good! They will in all likelihood need more strength of that caliber in the new world. Adding a strong guy to the crew will do nothing to change the dynamics of the relationship between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji. Consider this- If you were to say that Zoro is the #2 guy and Sanji the #3 and Jinbe is about even with them as far as fighting ability is concerned, then why would a new guy who is not definitively stronger than the senior members, take over a spot of authority or importance?
I agree that the monster trio isn't an issue, but it has nothing to do with whether Jinbe is or isn't stronger than Zoro and Sanji. It has to do with the fact that Luffy is about to separate himself from all three of them. People are all confused thinking about the balance being thrown off by 4-3-3 or 4-4-3 and all this bullshit. The reality is that Jinbe is going to be the final official nakama to join the crew, and the breakdown will be 1-3-3-3. The NW is going to be about gathering allies rather than nakama, as clearly foreshadowed. I don't see why more of you kids don't come to the conclusion that the crew will be complete before they enter.
As far as why Jinbe would be elevated to a position of authority when he is not clearly stronger than either Zoro or Sanji the answer is simple. Strength has nothing to do with it. This is about experience, responsibility, and the will to embrace that responsibility. Jinbe is like a level headed combo of Zoro and Sanji without the youthful self serving sort of attitude. He has Zoro's strength of will combine with Sanji's sense for tactics along with years of pirating experience and a far more established reputation. This is why you hear people coming up with things like "strategist" and "ambassador" as ideas even though they make no sense as positions on a pirate crew. Someone who does both though? You call him the Vice-Captain. It's just common sense, other pirate crews aren't going to show Jinbe any more respect than he's earned for himself just because he has a title like "ambassador," he might as well be Rockstar aside from his own rep. As Luffy's VC though there is an actual implication that he can speak on behalf of the crew.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28386&p=1715660&viewfull=1#post1715660 - I'm too lazy to lay it all out again. Keep in mind that I posted this over a year ago.
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As far as why Jinbe would be elevated to a position of authority when he is not clearly stronger than either Zoro or Sanji the answer is simple. Strength has nothing to do with it. This is about experience, responsibility, and the will to embrace that responsibility. Jinbe is like a level headed combo of Zoro and Sanji without the youthful self serving sort of attitude. He has Zoro's strength of will combine with Sanji's sense for tactics along with years of pirating experience and a far more established reputation. This is why you hear people coming up with things like "strategist" and "ambassador" as ideas even though they make no sense as positions on a pirate crew. Someone who does both though? You call him the Vice-Captain. It's just common sense, other pirate crews aren't going to show Jinbe any more respect than he's earned for himself just because he has a title like "ambassador," he might as well be Rockstar aside from his own rep. As Luffy's VC though there is an actual implication that he can speak on behalf of the crew.
The whole point of the scenario I talked about was to show that in the SH crew, there is no reason for Jinbe to be in a position above Zoro or Sanji. Taking strength away, Zoro and Sanji may not have as much personal experience at being pirates as Jinbe, but they have far more experience with the SH crew. How could you expect a man who barely knows anybody in the crew besides Luffy to step in and be recognized as the 2nd in command? He may be deserving based on skill and experience, but he knows nothing of how the SHs function. Robin had many more years of being with pirates than the rest of the crew when she joined, but that didn't make her any more important than the other SHs.
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If we think about this for a second it's very likely that Jinbe will be the SH's "Strategist". I know people laughed the last time I mentioned this ,but if you look at what we know it makes perfect sense ,Jinbe is an Ex Soldier of the Neptune Army ,even when Hody describes why he joined the Army himself it was something along the lines of gaining "knowledge and experience of combat techniques on the battlefield" I would think this applies to Jinbe as well. Now let's take note that Jinbe's role in Fisher Tiger's Sun Pirates was never really revealed or specified by Oda people just assume right off the bat he was the First Mate but if this was so Oda would have mentioned it besides going by Hody's crew maybe Arlong and Jinbe were his High ranking Officers. During the entire flashback where the Sun Pirates are focused on Jinbe is either seen leading the crew into a fight [[even when Tiger was alive]] or he was making up battle plans to a certain extent This is true all the way from Impel Down arc to now on FI.
Oda even gave him his own little Gimmick of needing to name the Battle plan and being completely serious about it. In hindsight I'm just saying the Strategist position is not as far fetched as some people think.